Islam and Muhammad... WTF?

[umirano]

I did some light reading about the life of Muhammad. It strikes me as interesting that nobody talks about what a complete jerk Muhammad was in history. The guy butchered his way into a blood soaked empire... at several points slaughtering an entire community of jews to take the women and children as sex slaves. The guy married a 12 year old girl for heaven sakes! So... who the hell wants to follow a bloodthirsty pedophile?

 

What god(s) do you believe in? Islam fits right in with pretty much all religions I know of when it comes to sick moral view points, genocidal, petty and insecure gods and prophets. It's unfortunately an equally powerful tool to keep people from learning about the actual world we live in and it equally to most other religions wants to put a stop to free thoughts, free speech and full power of decisions about our own bodies.

 

The quran is like the bible said to be the true and only source of knowledge on what god wants. Can you tell me why one book - in your case the bible - is more credible than the other? They're equally sad attempts at explaining the world and they're equally bad attempts at codifying morality.

 

Any member of this forum would come up with better moral codes in one day than any of the abrahamic religions can offer.

 

I agree with you, islam is an abhorent ideology of authoritarianism, violence and theism and it holds no water with regard to either morality or understanding of the world we live in. But so is/does every other religion you probably will name.

[umirano]

Yes, but notice how nobody from that religion is actually doing those things...

 

This is not true. Christians in Africa kill homosexuals for being homosexuals, in countries like Uganda even under state-backed legislation.

 

The catholic church is basically a global network of child molesters / rapists and makes great use of its resources to safeguard its staff from being brought to justice by moving them around internationally or conveniently granting them diplomatic status.

 

In both world wars, and even today, christian priests blessed soldiers, guns and bombs. Christianity is no more in the business of charity than any other of those totalitarian, autoritharian, spiteful, revengeful belief systems called religions. Most of the time, like with any other tool designed to accumulate power, charity doesn't matter. Lives are expendable, spreading the faith, the doctrine and the rule is what matters. In peaceful times charity is a good selling point, but let's not fool ourselves, no religion really is about charity. They're about creating an inside and an outside. They're about creating a right and wrong where it doesn't apply or simply isn't warranted.

 

Christianity is no better than the worst of islam. Maybe not right now, maybe not in front of your house. But it's certainly capable of justifying, enabling and demanding the worst that humanity has seen, just as much as any other religion. It's the central purpose of religions. They lay the foundation for power over people. It's a tool solely designed to put peoples under the yoke.

 

I am talking about christianity, islam and religion as such. I am not talking about christians, muslims or believers, and certainly I am not talking about every single one of them.

[somedude81]

Islamic State group beheads 8 Shiites in Syria's Hama

 

Can anybody tell me of any other religions that currently butcher members of the same religion?

 

How come I never hear stories of Protestants killing Baptists?

[TheFinalWord]

Godwin's law in 3...2...

[somedude81]

Religion in Nazi Germany

 

"Hitler himself believed that in the long run, National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, but was prepared temporarily to restrain some of his more radical instincts out of political considerations.

 

Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people—their attitudes, values and mentalities—into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances."

[autumnnight]

Almost all religious texts include passages and accounts that are violent.

 

Here is the thing to remember: Many people assume that because something is IN a religious text, it means that particular god approves of it and endoreses it. My favorite example is when people point out all Solomon's wives and concubines. Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say God endorsed or approved of this, just that it happened.

 

The question you have to ask is this: taking the religious text as a whole, what is the overall message? Is it about holiness and redemption, sin and mercy, separation and reconciliation? Or is it, in fact, an endorsement to not share love and truth with, but annhialate all those who do not believe the same way?

 

Then there is another question. Do the radical acts of a few always represent the view of every person of that religion? Do the views of those who kidnapped the Christians in Egypt represent the views of all who practice Islam? Do the so called Christian but actually warped views of Westboro church represent all Christians?

 

The educated, rational, and objective person understands the difference between fringe and extreme and mainstream believers.

 

Those with an agenda do not.

[mlee08]

This is not true. Christians in Africa kill homosexuals for being homosexuals, in countries like Uganda even under state-backed legislation.

 

The catholic church is basically a global network of child molesters / rapists and makes great use of its resources to safeguard its staff from being brought to justice by moving them around internationally or conveniently granting them diplomatic status.

 

In both world wars, and even today, christian priests blessed soldiers, guns and bombs. Christianity is no more in the business of charity than any other of those totalitarian, autoritharian, spiteful, revengeful belief systems called religions. Most of the time, like with any other tool designed to accumulate power, charity doesn't matter. Lives are expendable, spreading the faith, the doctrine and the rule is what matters. In peaceful times charity is a good selling point, but let's not fool ourselves, no religion really is about charity. They're about creating an inside and an outside. They're about creating a right and wrong where it doesn't apply or simply isn't warranted.

 

Christianity is no better than the worst of islam. Maybe not right now, maybe not in front of your house. But it's certainly capable of justifying, enabling and demanding the worst that humanity has seen, just as much as any other religion. It's the central purpose of religions. They lay the foundation for power over people. It's a tool solely designed to put peoples under the yoke.

 

I am talking about christianity, islam and religion as such. I am not talking about christians, muslims or believers, and certainly I am not talking about every single one of them.

 

I as a lesbian fear Islam a lot more than I do Christianity. I've had both religions in my family. There is no such thing as a moderate, westernized Muslim. NONE. My aunt thought that's what she was marrying and she was wrong. He treated her like a slave and threatened to kill her if she left. This was at a time when the climate wasn't half as extreme as it is now I countries like Iran where he was from. They want to change our way of life in the west - believe it. Even if Christianity was equally homophobic, Christian growth is stagnant compared to the growth of Islam. Muslims are taking over Europe using stagnant population growth as an excuse to come in. Muslims aren't all terrorists. No, they're also politicians and lobbyists. Muslims are actively trying to overturn gay marriage in the UK that hasn't even been legal for very long. Really, Muslims??

 

 

The way that Iran's Jewish population has shrunk since Islam has taken over there makes the Holocaust seem tame. Ask the French Jews what it's like there with Muslims moving in. It's not an extremist problem - it's an Islam problem. The Muslims that shot an innocent couple in Australia over a burkha law were not ISIS. The Boston bombers were not ISIS. I think they all should have been deported after Boston. They will try to change our laws here or else... we'll see more attacks. Most people just seem to have no idea that Islam theocracies ban homosexuality, pot, alcohol. Even countries like Morocco and Saudi Arabia that are largely Muslim, not theocracies (yet), regularly imprison and murder gays for... being gay. BY LAW.

 

 

IDK what can be done at this point because all of our lawmakers seem intent on moving these people in. Companies put pressure on politicians from both sides to give more visas to get cheaper workers even in fields like computer science. It's scary times esp if you're gay like myself and know what this "religion" does to our kind every day in the Middle East. Christianity... I do not fear. Not at all. Not that I buy into it, but even on my mom's side of the family that is very Catholic, I'm accepted. Many Christian denominations will marry gays and lesbians now. The Presbyterian Church for instance recently changed their stance on gay marriage.

 

 

I will fight Islam hands-on if I have to before I let it touch me and mine ever again. The stereotypes about lesbians and anger issues are rooted in truth. That excess testosterone pumping through my veins comes out in the form of anger when I'm threatened. And every single LGBT person on this Earth should feel threatened right now because WE ARE. Muslims need to watch their backs in the U.S. because this is not Europe and there is way too much homosexuality here for them to handle....