Do you believe in God?

[tiki]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

If you are right about God and I am wrong, no big deal, right?

But if I am right and you are wrong....oh boy.

 

I love this!!!

[blind_otter]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

I don't even care about homosexuals getting married. I am more concerned with them being able to adopt and raise kids...*shudder*

 

 

ANYways.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by Pocky

Your statement is inaccurate if you want to include any reference to the Old Testament. Holy war wasn't just a religious idea in Islam.

 

True, but I think for the most part Christianty follows the teachings of Christ which means when the NT came about, the state of mind changed.

 

The point of being a Christian is to "be just like Christ..." That's what we're striving for.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by blind_otter

 

ANYways.

 

If you believe children can be raised in a homosexual family and that's OK, that's your opinion and I have mine. IMHO, I think it's an unhealthy environment to put them in.

[blind_otter]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

The point of being a Christian is to "be just like Christ..." That's what we're striving for.

 

I hear that, but I don't see it. I can't imagine Jesus being like, "You're GAY? get that kid away from the corrupting influences of that homosexual, who will burn in fire and brimstone for all eternity, yea the Lord hath spoken."

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by blind_otter

I hear that, but I don't see it. I can't imagine Jesus being like, "You're GAY? get that kid away from the corrupting influences of that homosexual, who will burn in fire and brimstone for all eternity, yea the Lord hath spoken."

 

No. Jesus would call them a sinner and move on. Or may say nothing at all.

[tanbark813]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

I don't even care about homosexuals getting married. I am more concerned with them being able to adopt and raise kids...*shudder*

 

Right, because straight people always create perfectly loving and healthy environments in which to grow up.

[laRubiaBonita]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

 

 

If you believe children can be raised in a homosexual family and that's OK, that's your opinion and I have mine. IMHO, I think it's an unhealthy environment to put them in.

 

or out of wedlock..............right? cause that's baaad.

 

oops, Jesus was a bastard child, had he NOT been the Christ child, he would have just been the son of a whore....like anyone REALLY believed mary was artificially inseminated!

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by tanbark813

Right, because straight people always create perfectly loving and healthy environments in which to grow up.

 

Not saying that.

 

It's because they will be sorely teased by their peers. I have never said normal male/female parental units are always make the best parents. I know some pretty screwed up families ho have both parents.

 

But at least give the kid a chance to have a normal lifestyle, like most kids, and free from ridicule. I also think growing up with two fathers or two mothers will play havoc with their head and cause them to question their sexuality before they've have a chance to be NORMAL first

 

And no, I don't think homosexuality is normal and I am not going to give a lengthy explanation.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by laRubiaBonita

or out of wedlock..............right? cause that's baaad.

 

oops, Jesus was a bastard child, had he NOT been the Christ child, he would have just been the son of a whore....like anyone REALLY believed mary was artificially inseminated!

 

I was born out of wedlock.

I have never met my father. In fact, I don't even know his name.

I didn't have a choice.

 

But I can say, I felt bad when I went to friends houses and they had both parents. They have a father to look up to (though not all fathers are great role models).

 

I have a great mom. She did a great job and I love her. But, I've always wished I had known my dad.

[tanbark813]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

But at least give the kid a chance to have a normal lifestyle, like most kids, and free from ridicule.

 

In my 27 years on this planet I have never met a single person whose childhood was free of ridicule.

 

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

And no, I don't think homosexuality is normal and I am not going to give a lengthy explanation.

 

You wouldn't convince me if you did.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by tanbark813

In my 27 years on this planet I have never met a single person whose childhood was free of ridicule.

 

Try growing up without a father. Instant outcast.

 

You wouldn't convince me if you did.

 

It's cool. If we agreed on everything, one of us wouldn't be necessary

[tanbark813]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

Try growing up without a father. Instant outcast.

 

You misread my point. I'm sure not having a father garnered you ridicule. For other kids it was their weight. For others it was because they had glasses. Etc, etc.. My point is, it doesn't matter who you are, you're going to get ridiculed for something while growing up.

[UCFKevin]

The bible clearly tells you who God is and what you should do to in order to prepare for the next life. That's all this life is, preparation for the next.

 

Nah. The Bible was written by men. Different men thru out the ages. That's not the Word of God you're reading. It's the Word of Man. And what does man do best? Lie and embellish. I suppose you believe there was truly an Adam and an Eve in a garden with a talking snake, and evolution didn't happen, and cavemen and dinosaur bones are all fake?

 

I don't even care about homosexuals getting married. I am more concerned with them being able to adopt and raise kids...*shudder*

 

Funny. I shuddered when I read that.

 

So you'd rather a kid grow up in an orphanage with no parents than being adopted by a gay couple? Tanbark's dead on. Doesn't matter what kind of lifestyle you have or what kind of parents you have. You will get picked on for something, no matter what, when, where or why. It's a fact of life. If that involves a gay couple who will love the child unconditionally, so be it.

 

But you ARE right in one thing, it's man's interpretation of religion that I don't care for, not religion itself.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by tanbark813

You misread my point. I'm sure not having a father garnered you ridicule. For other kids it was their weight. For others it was because they had glasses. Etc, etc.. My point is, it doesn't matter who you are, you're going to get ridiculed for something while growing up.

 

Oh I understood you.

 

Try being a skinny little runt with no father

 

All kids had something. Big noses, funky hair, etc. It's just further accented when you only have one parent....

 

Or both are the same sex!

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

Nah. The Bible was written by men. Different men thru out the ages. That's not the Word of God you're reading. It's the Word of Man. And what does man do best? Lie and embellish. I suppose you believe there was truly an Adam and an Eve in a garden with a talking snake, and evolution didn't happen, and cavemen and dinosaur bones are all fake?

 

I understand where you are coming from. Again, I used to think EXACTLY like you.

 

Funny. I shuddered when I read that.

 

So you'd rather a kid grow up in an orphanage with no parents than being adopted by a gay couple?

 

No. I'd rather the child have a loving, normal Male/Female household for them to grow up in. It's bad enough the ridicule they will take. Having gay parents is unbearable and will seriously damage their childhood.

 

Tanbark's dead on. Doesn't matter what kind of lifestyle you have or what kind of parents you have. You will get picked on for something, no matter what, when, where or why. It's a fact of life. If that involves a gay couple who will love the child unconditionally, so be it.

 

But you ARE right in one thing, it's man's interpretation of religion that I don't care for, not religion itself.

 

Glad you see that. I am not out to change your mind. Everyone thinks differntly and again, it's not me to judge and I shouldn't be. My concern is purely for the kids and having a healthy environment for them to grow up in.

 

God will be the final judge and I will not be included on his jury of ONE

[westernxer]

Originally posted by ConfusedInOC

Try being a skinny little runt with no father

 

All kids had something. Big noses, funky hair, etc. It's just further accented when you only have one parent....

 

Not having a father must have been tough for you... still, I don't think it means your childhood was worse than that of others, even though it was a difficult period in your life. Sounds like you've made a lemon cake with the lemons life has given you, even if that cake is slightly tart in nature.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by westernxer

Not having a father must have been tough for you... still, I don't think it means your childhood was worse than that of others, even though it was a difficult period in your life. Sounds like you've made a lemon cake with the lemons life has given you, even if that cake is slightly tart in nature.

 

Thank you. I'd say you made a pretty good observation.

 

I grew up:

 

A runt

Fatherless

Poor

 

But one thing I had that was the rock I needed was my mom. She's the greatest and did a great job considering the circumstances. Sure, I am bummed I never knew my father but my mom more than made up for that.

 

Maybe that is when when I love someone and they don't love me as much, I over-compensate.....

 

The psychology of my life is limitless.

 

Thanks dude, I appreciate the kind comments.

 

Dunno why you are here! You seem like you've got it together.

[UCFKevin]

I understand where you are coming from. Again, I used to think EXACTLY like you.

 

That's your response?

 

Having gay parents is unbearable and will seriously damage their childhood.

 

Hmm.

 

You say this as if you have first hand experience of it being unbearable and that you've seen the effects of the damaged childhood later in life.

 

Care to tell us how you've come to this conclusion, or are you just GUESSING having gay parents would be unbearable? Don't pass your opinion off as fact.

 

The reason I'm so staunchly for this is because I have gay friends who do want to adopt and I know they would make amazing parents for an orphan.

 

And you didn't understand my question. Would you rather a kid grow up in an orphanage or with a gay couple? One or the other. Pick one.

[westernxer]

ConfusedinOC wrote:

Dunno why you are here! You seem like you've got it together.

 

I'm an addict, plus there's some really cool people I've come to like chatting with. It's a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot from other people.

 

Helps than I'm without a job... that's my only problem, but I brought it upon myself when I decided to quit.

 

By the way, chicks love guys who aren't working.

 

*smirk*

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

That's your response?

 

Yes, because no matter what I say, you'll believe what you want I'm not out to argue your opinion. I believe the bible.

 

Again, if you're right and I am wrong, no big deal.

But if I am right and you are wrong, that's a BIG deal.

 

Hmm.

 

You say this as if you have first hand experience of it being unbearable and that you've seen the effects of the damaged childhood later in life.

 

Care to tell us how you've come to this conclusion, or are you just GUESSING having gay parents would be unbearable? Don't pass your opinion off as fact.

 

I have gay relatives....who raised some pretty screwed up kids.

 

Not a guess, just based on experience.

 

The reason I'm so staunchly for this is because I have gay friends who do want to adopt and I know they would make amazing parents for an orphan.

 

I'll disagree and you know my reasons, but OK.

 

And you didn't understand my question. Would you rather a kid grow up in an orphanage or with a gay couple? One or the other. Pick one.

 

You know my answer...and it's not with the gay couple. Sorry. I just don't think it's healthy for kids.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by westernxer

I'm an addict, plus there's some really cool people I've come to like chatting with. It's a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot from other people.

 

Helps than I'm without a job... that's my only problem, but I brought it upon myself when I decided to quit.

 

By the way, chicks love guys who aren't working.

 

*smirk*

 

Haha. Isn't that ironic? I own an Executive Search Firm so I can fart around on the internet in-between placements.

 

PM me what you do and what kind of work you are looking for. Maybe I can help.

[UCFKevin]

I believe the bible.

 

So therefore, you do not believe in Evolution or the big bang or cavemen or dinosaurs then, right?

 

Again, if you're right and I am wrong, no big deal.

But if I am right and you are wrong, that's a BIG deal.

 

You keep saying this and I truly do not get it. Why's it a big deal if you're right and not if I am? Because I'll go to Hell if you're right for questioning things?

 

I have gay relatives....who raised some pretty screwed up kids.

 

You HAVE to be kidding me.

 

Yeah. And straight people NEVER EVER raise pretty screwed up kids, they only grow up to be perfect.

 

Please.

 

So a gay couple will be worse for a kid than an orphanage with no one for the kid to look up to or learn life lessons from other than a staff of people? Well...honestly, I never say this kind of thing because it's insulting, but I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you have this opinion. I really do.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

So therefore, you do not believe in Evolution or the big bang or cavemen or dinosaurs then, right?

 

You keep saying this and I truly do not get it. Why's it a big deal if you're right and not if I am? Because I'll go to Hell if you're right for questioning things?

 

You HAVE to be kidding me.

 

Yeah. And straight people NEVER EVER raise pretty screwed up kids, they only grow up to be perfect.

 

Please.

 

So a gay couple will be worse for a kid than an orphanage with no one for the kid to look up to or learn life lessons from other than a staff of people? Well...honestly, I never say this kind of thing because it's insulting, but I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you have this opinion. I really do.

 

It's ok. I'm not taking your opinion personal so please don't do the same with mine.

 

There are no bad guys here. I think we both have the best of intentions and should leave it at that because regardless, I don't think I am going to change your opinion nor you mine

 

Cheers.

[Naive]

I think that both sides are right. When it comes to such a touchy subject there is really no wrong answer, I think. Everyone has their own opinion and no matter what it is not going to be wrong (on both sides).