PatientOne Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 You're absolutely right- this is my opinion, and obviously I'm in the minority. And Moose, though I disagree with pretty much all you have to say on this subject, I will admit that I believe you are only trying to help people. Though I do wish folks would try to think more critically about important topics. And I will let this go here as well. We've hijacked Pocky's thread enough as it is. Sorry Pocky! Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 There isn't a problem - I was responding to your post that we have a choice in whether or not we're sinful. It was sounding as though you were distressed at the concept of us being sinful. I figure it's like any other fact of life - like we have skin. It is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunner Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I believe that when Christ returns there will be no way that we won't recognise him because the first time He came to earth he came as a Lamb, a sacrifice for our sins. When he returns to earth he will come as a Lion, the King of the universe. Pocky we will never be free from the corruption of sin until the Perfect comes and we are made perfect ie Jesus returns to earth, but when we receive Christ as our savior His sacrifice of blood covers our sin and puts the old man to death. Over the course of your life the old man ie our sinful nature tries to ressurect itself and we then have the choice to sin and feed the old man or reject sin and keep him in the grave. If we do give in to sin we can choose to repent and put him back in the grave. In answer to your original question I will quote a passage from the new testament. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." I take the all scripture part to be the old and new testament. Gunner Link to post Share on other sites
melina Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 there is a reading from the old testament in practically every catholic service. it's not ignored at all. Jesus came to fulfill and not to change. (He will not change a Jota of the scriptures) therefore we should definitely consider them both. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Originally posted by melina there is a reading from the old testament in practically every catholic service. it's not ignored at all. Jesus came to fulfill and not to change. (He will not change a Jota of the scriptures) therefore we should definitely consider them both. wait...uh...I went to catholic school for 9 years and my favorite teacher, Sister Marilyn, said Jesus was a revolutionary of his time -- which means he DID actually come to change the heirarchy of the Jewish elders. I'm just sayin'. Differentiate between the historical Jesus and the Jesus of the scriptures, if that's what you're doing. Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Were there Christians Before Jesus? Isn't a Christian, by definition, one who believes and worships Jesus Christ? So of course their focus would be on the New Testament - that is the foundation for Christianity. It does not negate the OT - Christianity has roots, but roots lead to a foundation, they are not a foundation themselves. The pylons of a deck fall below the surface of the water to give strength to the deck itself. We need those pylons for support, but we generally leave them alone. The deck is what we use, it moves us from place to place, we weather treat it and care for it and that is the foundation for our activity. We climb upon it to get out of the water and keep from drowning and it supports us indefinitely. Pylons without the deck are nearly useless, but can be built upon again; and a deck without pylons is just a raft which will not endure but instead will become submerged and weathered over time and eventually fall apart. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Cool analogy Hokey! Link to post Share on other sites
melina Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 he was revolutionary towards the Romans, silly. He was as jewish as you could possibly be, a rabbi. Amen Link to post Share on other sites
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