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Should catcalling and whistling at women be considered harassment?

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writergal Established Member

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Yup. Carhill is right on.

 

Whether or not it's harassment is dependent upon whether or not the catcaller is attractive to the woman. Such subjectivity has no place in law. It can't be okay on one situation and not okay in another, based on the catcallee's whims. Too much gray area.

 

One whistle isn't harassment. It's a whistle...nothing more. Continued unwanted advances and pushy behavior? Now you're talking harassment.

 

Nag nag nag.

 

Says who?! That's malarkey. Harassment is not dependent upon whether or not the catcaller is attractive to the woman. All of the links I posted, especially the survey that I cut and pasted in this thread SHOW that attraction had zero to do with the women's responses of being catcalled by complete strangers who were men.

 

Yes, one whistle is harassment because that is an unwanted advance. A woman should be able to walk down a public street without having to deal with being whistled at or catcalled or anything where she feels that her safety is threatened.

 

The very definition of harassment is as follows:

 

aggressive pressure or intimidation.
A strange man whistling at a random woman as she walks by easily falls under intimidation or aggressive pressure.

 

The legal definition of harassment is as follows:

 

The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

 

The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.

 

Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me").

 

The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

A man whistling at a woman as she walks by is unwanted and annoying. A catcall can be interpreted as an unwarranted threat or demand too.
toolforgrowth Established Member

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Says who?! That's malarkey. Harassment is not dependent upon whether or not the catcaller is attractive to the woman. All of the links I posted, especially the survey that I cut and pasted in this thread SHOW that attraction had zero to do with the women's responses of being catcalled by complete strangers who were men.

 

Yes, one whistle is harassment because that is an unwanted advance. A woman should be able to walk down a public street without having to deal with being whistled at or catcalled or anything where she feels that her safety is threatened.

 

The very definition of harassment is as follows:

 

A strange man whistling at a random woman as she walks by easily falls under intimidation or aggressive pressure.

 

The legal definition of harassment is as follows:

 

A man whistling at a woman as she walks by is unwanted and annoying. A catcall can be interpreted as an unwarranted threat or demand too.

 

Sorry, I think you're reaching here. A whistle is most certainly not threatening. And by how you're interpreting the definition of harassment, that means ANY unwanted advance, even a simple "Hello", could potentially be harassment. And women still wonder why men don't pursue them like they used to.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree with it. And you haven't presented any evidence strong enough to change my mind.

 

You may want all the laws of the land to work in your favor, but real life doesn't work that way. You may actually have to DEAL with jerks sometimes.

 

I'll tell you what. I'll agree to catcalling being harassment of you agree that every child should be paternity tested to protect men's legal rights and assets.

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jay1983 Established Member

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Who is we? I think the general public can push lawmakers to put laws on the books to disallow it. And then enforce said laws to help curb the behavior. Also education of young teens/adults on harassing behavior tying it into rape related discussions, and adult sexuality discussions as well as general respect of other discussions.

 

I think people need to teach children that just because you can say an ********* statement, whether it be based on a physical characteristic, religion, sexual orientation, etc. doesn't mean you should. You should be respectful and polite to the general population and not feel you have a right to disrespecting thoughts and opinions.

 

Basically following, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

 

Well guess what? A lot people don't think it's harassment and just cause you don't like it, doesn't make it harassment. People are gonna keep doing what they're doing. You can ignore them, tell them to fu*k themselves or you can keep whining about it. We can't make a perfect world.

 

BTW we're talking about whistling, not derogatory slurs

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toolforgrowth Established Member

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Well guess what? A lot people don't think it's harassment and just cause you don't like it, doesn't make it harassment. People are gonna keep doing what they're doing. You can ignore them, tell them to fu*k themselves or you can keep whining about it. We can't make a perfect world.

 

BTW we're talking about whistling, not derogatory slurs

 

Yup.

 

Men are adapting to the world in which we live. Why bother participating when they make it clear they don't want us to? I was perfectly happy being single until I met my GF. I had money, assets, time, and friends. I had a fwb for my sexual needs. Why bother trying to navigate the rough seas of relationships/dating when you can get the milk for free?

 

Every fwb I've ever had reached out to me for it. I didn't have to do a darned thing.

 

It's really quite easy to adapt to the current climate.

jen1447 Established Member

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A-ha, bit of a catch 22 there tho. Derogatory slurs are no more genuine harassment than catcalling is - just words - unless it's in a professional context amounting to slander or sth along those lines.

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jay1983 Established Member

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Yup.

 

Men are adapting to the world in which we live. Why bother participating when they make it clear they don't want us to? I was perfectly happy being single until I met my GF. I had money, assets, time, and friends. I had a fwb for my sexual needs. Why bother trying to navigate the rough seas of relationships/dating when you can get the milk for free?

 

Every fwb I've ever had reached out to me for it. I didn't have to do a darned thing.

 

It's really quite easy to adapt to the current climate.

 

So are women, it's only the ones who group together and on the internet and incest we make everything that bothers them go away.

Maleficent Established Member

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By definition, harrassment is repetitive. Considering catcalling is usually a one time thing, I personally wouldn't call it harrassment by law.

Classless, douchebag-y, yes, always.

 

It was suggested it is harrassment because it's unwanted attention. Soooo this means that any man who makes a forst move on a woman harrassment if she is not interested, which makes me uncomfortable.

Though I would agree that men who repeatedly catcall different women could be considered as harrassing women (because of the repetitive action)

 

Not convinced it should be a law...

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jay1983 Established Member

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By definition, harrassment is repetitive. Considering catcalling is usually a one time thing, I personally wouldn't call it harrassment by law.

Classless, douchebag-y, yes, always.

 

It was suggested it is harrassment because it's unwanted attention. Soooo this means that any man who makes a forst move on a woman harrassment if she is not interested, which makes me uncomfortable.

Though I would agree that men who repeatedly catcall different women could be considered as harrassing women (because of the repetitive action)

 

Not convinced it should be a law...

 

Thank you!

 

What up Mal? :)

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Maleficent Established Member

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Thank you!

 

What up Mal? :)

 

Not much. Busy with work school and training. You?

jay1983 Established Member

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Not much. Busy with work school and training. You?

 

Me too. Same old sh*t, different day. Lol

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