Top tier men are hoarding all the women

[Vegeta2]

We all know of a "Jake" or "Chad" who are generally Very good looking, charming and have strong social skills( to a lesser extent they may also have alot of money). Jake and Chad do well with women. In fact they do so well, it seems as if no women can resist their charms. Then we have John and Mike. John and Mike aren't playboys by any stretch of the imagination. They do however manage to get a date or a girlfriend if they try hard enough.

 

Finally we have Billy and Timmy. Billy and Timmy both look far below the accepted threshold of the looks requirement to get a girlfriend. Men like Billy and Timmy will likely spend their whole life alone; Maybe if they're lucky enough a girl might fall their way, but Billy and Timmy aren't holding their breath. Billy and Timmy will likely attract women solely due to their salaries; If Billy and Timmy don't make enough dough... well then they'll be introduced to the world of WoW and pornography.

 

As much as many of us try to deny it, by and large we have all met Billys and Timmys. They are the acquaintances we know that never seem to have a girlfriend, despite being strictly heterosexual.

 

 

As much as some will try to deny it, In the dating game women are not dating men in an equal 1:1 ratio. More often it's One guy like Chad dating, hooking up with or having a one night stand with 5 or even 10 women. It is an ironic paradox; Women often complain that men are hungry sex hounds, yet will fall straight into the arms of Jakes and Chads, while avoiding Timmy and Billy like the plague.

 

Scientifically, however it makes perfect sense as it falls in line with Darwins theory of natural selection. So my question to you is: Which tier do you fall in? Jake and Chad? Mike and John? Or are you like me, just a typical Billy(minus the video games which I have never played in my life)

[Phoe]

Oh, hey, I'm a female Billy!

 

Never knew what to call myself until now.

[BlueIris]

I think there are many men who are so concerned about the hierarchy of men that they fixate on those men that THEY see as superior and don’t even notice the swath of regular, non-spectacular men who are forging and sustaining happy, positive relationships. Pecking order maybe.

[Vegeta2]

It's ok Billy is a Unisex name

[2011]

Probably a billy but trying to train myself up to the next level.

[Moy]

We all know of a "Jake" or "Chad" who are generally Very good looking, charming and have strong social skills( to a lesser extent they may also have alot of money). Jake and Chad do well with women. In fact they do so well, it seems as if no women can resist their charms. Then we have John and Mike. John and Mike aren't playboys by any stretch of the imagination. They do however manage to get a date or a girlfriend if they try hard enough.

 

Finally we have Billy and Timmy. Billy and Timmy both look far below the accepted threshold of the looks requirement to get a girlfriend. Men like Billy and Timmy will likely spend their whole life alone; Maybe if they're lucky enough a girl might fall their way, but Billy and Timmy aren't holding their breath. Billy and Timmy will likely attract women solely due to their salaries; If Billy and Timmy don't make enough dough... well then they'll be introduced to the world of WoW and pornography.

 

As much as many of us try to deny it, by and large we have all met Billys and Timmys. They are the acquaintances we know that never seem to have a girlfriend, despite being strictly heterosexual.

 

 

As much as some will try to deny it, In the dating game women are not dating men in an equal 1:1 ratio. More often it's One guy like Chad dating, hooking up with or having a one night stand with 5 or even 10 women. It is an ironic paradox; Women often complain that men are hungry sex hounds, yet will fall straight into the arms of Jakes and Chads, while avoiding Timmy and Billy like the plague.

 

Scientifically, however it makes perfect sense as it falls in line with Darwins theory of natural selection. So my question to you is: Which tier do you fall in? Jake and Chad? Mike and John? Or are you like me, just a typical Billy(minus the video games which I have never played in my life)

 

The 80/20 rule.

Alpha f***s, Beta bucks.

[central]

OP, you should visit the rural areas of the south for perspective. For every Billy there are many poor rednecks who manage to find a wife. Even without teeth.

[GorillaTheater]

OP, you should visit the rural areas of the south for perspective. For every Billy there are many poor rednecks who manage to find a wife. Even without teeth.

 

Word.

 

 

......

[DivorcedDad123]

OP, you should visit the rural areas of the south for perspective. For every Billy there are many poor rednecks who manage to find a wife. Even without teeth.

 

Hey! I resemble that remark! Got my teefus tho!

[JuneJulySeptember]

That's life in general though.

 

Everybody just goes for the best they can get. It's not confined to romance either by any means. Socially and professionally, it's maybe a bit better but still very strong.

 

The only thing that surprises me is the extent of people who play the game.

 

Almost everybody gets blown off because they are not good looking enough or lack a degree of social skills. Yet, instead of being more forgiving to other people, they continue to reach up and blow off others below them.

[Revolver]

Solomon had like 800 wives. This has been going on since the beginning of time

[clia]

We all know of a "Jake" or "Chad" who are generally Very good looking, charming and have strong social skills( to a lesser extent they may also have alot of money). Jake and Chad do well with women. In fact they do so well, it seems as if no women can resist their charms. Then we have John and Mike. John and Mike aren't playboys by any stretch of the imagination. They do however manage to get a date or a girlfriend if they try hard enough.

 

Finally we have Billy and Timmy. Billy and Timmy both look far below the accepted threshold of the looks requirement to get a girlfriend. Men like Billy and Timmy will likely spend their whole life alone; Maybe if they're lucky enough a girl might fall their way, but Billy and Timmy aren't holding their breath. Billy and Timmy will likely attract women solely due to their salaries; If Billy and Timmy don't make enough dough... well then they'll be introduced to the world of WoW and pornography.

 

As much as many of us try to deny it, by and large we have all met Billys and Timmys. They are the acquaintances we know that never seem to have a girlfriend, despite being strictly heterosexual.

 

I actually don't know any Billys or Timmys in real life. Guys who have never had a girlfriend? Nope. Yes, I knew some guys in high school who struggled, but they came into their own in their 20s and/or 30s and eventually found someone. I think it's really rare for a man to spend his entire life alone and never have a girlfriend. And the guys who struggled were struggling because they were either going after women who were way out of their league or simply weren't putting themselves out there and asking women out on dates. You can't expect to spend 90% of your time in your house surfing the Internet, watching porn, and playing video games and still meet someone to date. You have to be somewhat social. And maybe the Billys and Timmys of the world should go after the Brendas and Tammys of the world, their own female equivalent who struggle with dating. Those women are out there, too.

 

Anyway, mathematically your argument just doesn't hold water. Although women may be naturally inclined to go to the charismatic and confident Chad and Jake types, you can see just by looking around you that those aren't the only men who have girlfriends or get married. If that were the case, a huge percentage of both men and women would be unattached. I see plenty of unattractive, broke guys with girlfriends and wives.

 

But I suppose it's easier to blame the top tier guys for your own lack of success.

[Vegeta2]

let us not make assumptions sweetheart. I dont spend my day at home. I work 6 days a week. And I have approached nearly 200 women and got rejected each and every time. My looks are a massive impediment. And I have met many Billys. In fact entire forums exist because of the high number of Billys and Timmys out there. I have never played a video game in my life btw

[JuneJulySeptember]

I actually don't know any Billys or Timmys in real life. Guys who have never had a girlfriend? Nope. Yes, I knew some guys in high school who struggled, but they came into their own in their 20s and/or 30s and eventually found someone. I think it's really rare for a man to spend his entire life alone and never have a girlfriend. And the guys who struggled were struggling because they were either going after women who were way out of their league or simply weren't putting themselves out there and asking women out on dates. You can't expect to spend 90% of your time in your house surfing the Internet, watching porn, and playing video games and still meet someone to date. You have to be somewhat social. And maybe the Billys and Timmys of the world should go after the Brendas and Tammys of the world, their own female equivalent who struggle with dating. Those women are out there, too.

 

Anyway, mathematically your argument just doesn't hold water. Although women may be naturally inclined to go to the charismatic and confident Chad and Jake types, you can see just by looking around you that those aren't the only men who have girlfriends or get married. If that were the case, a huge percentage of both men and women would be unattached. I see plenty of unattractive, broke guys with girlfriends and wives.

 

But I suppose it's easier to blame the top tier guys for your own lack of success.

 

At my workplace alone, there are at least 3 guys close to 40 or over who have either never had a GF or had not had one in many, many years. Two of them are literally sitting within several feet of me.

 

Now I do agree that it is because they are complacent, and if they wanted a nice woman who was perhaps less traditionally attractive, that would likely be possible.

 

But the fact that you say that you don't know such men leads me to believe you are insulated among the socially elite.

 

I mean, I have everything here where I work. I have womanizers in their 50s who go drinking with their sons and hang out with their son's female friends, guys who did decent with women but are now happily married, and guys who have given up on dating.

 

It runs the spectrum.

Edited May 8, 2015 by JuneJulySeptember

[MissBee]

I think there are many men who are so concerned about the hierarchy of men that they fixate on those men that THEY see as superior and don’t even notice the swath of regular, non-spectacular men who are forging and sustaining happy, positive relationships. Pecking order maybe.

 

Exactly.

 

I see men everyday that aren't cute or rich who have gfs and wives and sometimes I'm like wow...there is hope for us all. And there is.

 

Yes, some men and women will have way more people being attracted to them than others (doesn't mean it's for the right reasons or that they will have an easier time either finding something genuine and long lasting) but there is no hoarding going on where most or all good looking men or women are taking away other people's options, esp considering that we all have different tastes and what's one person's charming or good looking is another's meh.

 

I see single good looking women and men as well as taken ones or ones who always have a new person and I also see average men and women who are taken or go on dates or are single.

[JuneJulySeptember]

Exactly.

 

I see men everyday that aren't cute or rich who have gfs and wives and sometimes I'm like wow...there is hope for us all. And there is.

 

Yes, some men and women will have way more people being attracted to them than others (doesn't mean it's for the right reasons or that they will have an easier time either finding something genuine and long lasting) but there is no hoarding going on where most or all good looking men or women are taking away other people's options, esp considering that we all have different tastes and what's one person's charming or good looking is another's meh.

 

I see single good looking women and men as well as taken ones or ones who always have a new person and I also see average men and women who are taken or go on dates or are single.

 

I agree. It is possible for every man to find a nice woman.

 

But I also understand how those guys get frustrated. Women do get first pick, so those guys will be passed up perhaps 10 to maybe even 50 times or more for every time they can find a gal. Not too many gals get passed up 50 times.

 

Then again, some of those guys also profess to turning down ugly and fat women, so they are unwittingly in the same circle they are complaining about.

[elaine567]

And I have approached nearly 200 women and got rejected each and every time. My looks are a massive impediment.

 

As you are by no means conventionally "ugly", then I suggest you look elsewhere for blame as to why the girls you approach do not want to date you.

[GravityMan]

Well then OP, I guess the city I live in is filled to the brim with these so-called "top-tier" men. Oh yes indeed...hundreds of thousands of them. Clean-cut ones, crazy-eyed ones, bums that'd probably struggle to land a job at Walmart, geeky types and so on. I see more guys out and about with a woman by their side than guys who are by themselves or with their buds.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Seriously dude, most people don't spend time thinking about some silly "hierarchy" of men. I see some random dude arm-in-arm with a pretty lady at the restaurant and I simply think that it's "a dude & his SO", and forget about it a few seconds later. That's it. Most guys have their pros and their cons...they're human beings after all, and yet they still manage to have little or no difficulty dating, and 95%+ of them have at least one relationship before the age of 35 (and most before the age of 25).

 

If you could just get outside of your own head and get out there, interact with people and make a move...you can accomplish lots of good things in life. That applies to FAR more than dating. The real "losers" are the ones who don't even try, and would rather whine.

[jen1447]

What women are we talking about exactly? Do Chad and Jake or whoever get all the unattractive women too?

[Phoe]

What women are we talking about exactly? Do Chad and Jake or whoever get all the unattractive women too?

 

I believe the logic is that yes, the "unattractive" women will at least be able to have sex with Chad and Jake, and will compete with the other women for Chad and Jake, but won't have a chance at a relationship. Only sex.

 

At least, this is what I have gathered from this forum. I have yet to actually see this phenomenon take place in real life *shrug*

 

Although I do know a "Timmy". And his name IS Timmy!

 

But Billie as a female name, I do kinda like that!

[jen1447]

So those poor ladies never have relationships by that rationale, only occasional encounters with Chad and Jake. Hm ....

 

Nah, you look more like a Bobbie than a Billie.

[SJC2008]

The 80/20 "theory" is bs, we wouldn't survive as a civilization if that were the case. I've said it befor, most people date within their leage although I do see a lot of couples where the guy is skinnier than the girl. Some women will say they still have the same "market value" though. I don't know, just makes me think I can't even get a cute chunky girl since they have no problem getting skinny guys...

[clia]

let us not make assumptions sweetheart. I dont spend my day at home. I work 6 days a week. And I have approached nearly 200 women and got rejected each and every time. My looks are a massive impediment. And I have met many Billys. In fact entire forums exist because of the high number of Billys and Timmys out there. I have never played a video game in my life btw

 

That you condescendingly threw out the word "sweetheart" toward me is pretty telling. I have a suspicion that your problem is not your looks. You look fine in your photo and it's such a cop out to blame your looks. Are you in shape and do you dress well?

 

I don't count going to work as having a social life. But what do you do when you aren't working? Do you have friends? Do you go out? Do you go to parties? Do you participate in any activity groups or Meetups in your area? Have you tried speed dating? Are you a member of any sports teams or anything like that? How exactly have you approached these 200 women? Do you just cold approach them? Etc....

[loveweary11]

quickmeme: the funniest page on the internet

 

I guess the Timmays of the world really are boned.

[preraph]

And young top tier women hog all the men too. So that's life in the fast lane, for those lucky enough to be in it. For the others, they need to stop peering in on the top tier and get busy dating on their own tier. Of course, I realize it's not easy to date when all the tiers are dreaming about the top tier.