Top tier men are hoarding all the women

[dgf]

I actually don't know any Billys or Timmys in real life. Guys who have never had a girlfriend? Nope. Yes, I knew some guys in high school who struggled, but they came into their own in their 20s and/or 30s and eventually found someone. I think it's really rare for a man to spend his entire life alone and never have a girlfriend. And the guys who struggled were struggling because they were either going after women who were way out of their league or simply weren't putting themselves out there and asking women out on dates. You can't expect to spend 90% of your time in your house surfing the Internet, watching porn, and playing video games and still meet someone to date. You have to be somewhat social. And maybe the Billys and Timmys of the world should go after the Brendas and Tammys of the world, their own female equivalent who struggle with dating. Those women are out there, too.

 

Anyway, mathematically your argument just doesn't hold water. Although women may be naturally inclined to go to the charismatic and confident Chad and Jake types, you can see just by looking around you that those aren't the only men who have girlfriends or get married. If that were the case, a huge percentage of both men and women would be unattached. I see plenty of unattractive, broke guys with girlfriends and wives.

 

But I suppose it's easier to blame the top tier guys for your own lack of success.

 

Of course you don't know any Billys or Timmys because you don't want to know any. I blame these top tier guys who often have little substance and the hoards of ladies who must have one or remain single.

 

 

His argument makes perfect sense. There's much more extremes among guys. More guys screwing a harem and more guys with nothing.

Edited May 12, 2015 by dgf

[dgf]

As you are by no means conventionally "ugly", then I suggest you look elsewhere for blame as to why the girls you approach do not want to date you.

 

Girls just aren't attracted to some guys and these no explanation half the time.

[dgf]

Well then OP, I guess the city I live in is filled to the brim with these so-called "top-tier" men. Oh yes indeed...hundreds of thousands of them. Clean-cut ones, crazy-eyed ones, bums that'd probably struggle to land a job at Walmart, geeky types and so on. I see more guys out and about with a woman by their side than guys who are by themselves or with their buds.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Seriously dude, most people don't spend time thinking about some silly "hierarchy" of men. I see some random dude arm-in-arm with a pretty lady at the restaurant and I simply think that it's "a dude & his SO", and forget about it a few seconds later. That's it. Most guys have their pros and their cons...they're human beings after all, and yet they still manage to have little or no difficulty dating, and 95%+ of them have at least one relationship before the age of 35 (and most before the age of 25).

 

If you could just get outside of your own head and get out there, interact with people and make a move...you can accomplish lots of good things in life. That applies to FAR more than dating. The real "losers" are the ones who don't even try, and would rather whine.

 

You think it's so simple don't you. the amount of 25 or even 35 guys without a single relationship is quickly growing. And yeah some of these guys are live at home and don't have a job and are missing all their teeth but not most. The majority are deemed socially awkward ladies either look at them like creeps or always friend zone them.

[Phoe]

Like I predicted. I knew it.

 

 

You're posting history says otherwise. You're no female Billy. A female Mike.

 

Ahh... it seems you are the only one who did not catch on to the fact that my original post was a joke.

 

Not sure why it was necessary to go through my post history just to confirm that my joke was a joke...

[Hopeful714]

I read through some of this but not all. I think many of the Billy's, Timmy's, Bob's, etc. Could all improve their chances with women if they would just improve themselves. I will list some examples:

 

1. Work out. Lift weights, eat healthy foods. You don't need to be completely buff and chiseled, but if anything it will get you in better shape, give you better posture and most likely increase confidence. Not to mention give a glow to your skin.

 

2. Get a decent haircut. Something in style for your age and something flattering. Go to a female hairdresser and ask advice. If you are balding, follow the same advice and trim/style appropriately. Apply the same to facial hair.

 

3. Go to the dentist regularly. Fix any dental problems. Brush and floss regularly and use tooth whitening products. Then smile. Practice good hygiene at all times. If you wear glasses,get contacts or buy a nice pair of glasses.

 

4. Buy a few magazine's. Pay attention to what some of the Chad's are wearing these days...then go to the store and buy some in style clothes. Iron shirts before you wear them. Wear decent shoes...do not wear gym shoes unless your in the gym. Buy a dress coat. Own at least 1 suit.

 

5. Keep your house, and car clean. No woman of worth wants a mess of a man.

 

Bottom line here is look and be orderly. Everything mommy used to tell you...do it. Take the time to take care of yourself (as I'm sure Jake does). Any woman you would find attractive does this to some degree. If she didn't, you (and Chad) most likely wouldn't find her attractive and want to date her.

 

 

If you don't have a lot of money...no problem...there's plenty of deals out there if you look for them and become aware of options. Shop sales, work out at home. All the things you need to do the above can be done frugally. The biggest expenditure will be your time to do the work.

 

I can't tell you as a single woman all the men I see that look like they just don't care about themselves. I don't intend for this post to be harsh but I really think if some of you men would look like you put the efforts into yourselves, women will be more interested in you. Just an observation

[ZA Dater]

I read through some of this but not all. I think many of the Billy's, Timmy's, Bob's, etc. Could all improve their chances with women if they would just improve themselves. I will list some examples:

 

1. Work out. Lift weights, eat healthy foods. You don't need to be completely buff and chiseled, but if anything it will get you in better shape, give you better posture and most likely increase confidence. Not to mention give a glow to your skin.

 

2. Get a decent haircut. Something in style for your age and something flattering. Go to a female hairdresser and ask advice. If you are balding, follow the same advice and trim/style appropriately. Apply the same to facial hair.

 

3. Go to the dentist regularly. Fix any dental problems. Brush and floss regularly and use tooth whitening products. Then smile. Practice good hygiene at all times. If you wear glasses,get contacts or buy a nice pair of glasses.

 

4. Buy a few magazine's. Pay attention to what some of the Chad's are wearing these days...then go to the store and buy some in style clothes. Iron shirts before you wear them. Wear decent shoes...do not wear gym shoes unless your in the gym. Buy a dress coat. Own at least 1 suit.

 

5. Keep your house, and car clean. No woman of worth wants a mess of a man.

 

Bottom line here is look and be orderly. Everything mommy used to tell you...do it. Take the time to take care of yourself (as I'm sure Jake does). Any woman you would find attractive does this to some degree. If she didn't, you (and Chad) most likely wouldn't find her attractive and want to date her.

 

 

If you don't have a lot of money...no problem...there's plenty of deals out there if you look for them and become aware of options. Shop sales, work out at home. All the things you need to do the above can be done frugally. The biggest expenditure will be your time to do the work.

 

I can't tell you as a single woman all the men I see that look like they just don't care about themselves. I don't intend for this post to be harsh but I really think if some of you men would look like you put the efforts into yourselves, women will be more interested in you. Just an observation

 

I personally think you cannot dump all single, never had sex, never had a gf men into the category above. Why should I guy need to conform to what Chad is wearing in order to attract someone? Is this world so conformist that all females want all men to dress the same?

 

Guys are accused of being superficial....the above just proves females are equally so.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I get a kick out of these pointer. Each "pointer" is giving an assumption that mean who lack success with women:

 

1. Have a crappy haircut

2. Have a sloppy home

And so on and so on,

 

This list seems to presume that the men that don't have success with women are unhygienic slobs. That it's presumed that these men aren't doing such things.

 

 

 

I read through some of this but not all. I think many of the Billy's, Timmy's, Bob's, etc. Could all improve their chances with women if they would just improve themselves. I will list some examples:

 

1. Work out. Lift weights, eat healthy foods. You don't need to be completely buff and chiseled, but if anything it will get you in better shape, give you better posture and most likely increase confidence. Not to mention give a glow to your skin.

 

2. Get a decent haircut. Something in style for your age and something flattering. Go to a female hairdresser and ask advice. If you are balding, follow the same advice and trim/style appropriately. Apply the same to facial hair.

 

3. Go to the dentist regularly. Fix any dental problems. Brush and floss regularly and use tooth whitening products. Then smile. Practice good hygiene at all times. If you wear glasses,get contacts or buy a nice pair of glasses.

 

4. Buy a few magazine's. Pay attention to what some of the Chad's are wearing these days...then go to the store and buy some in style clothes. Iron shirts before you wear them. Wear decent shoes...do not wear gym shoes unless your in the gym. Buy a dress coat. Own at least 1 suit.

 

5. Keep your house, and car clean. No woman of worth wants a mess of a man.

 

Bottom line here is look and be orderly. Everything mommy used to tell you...do it. Take the time to take care of yourself (as I'm sure Jake does). Any woman you would find attractive does this to some degree. If she didn't, you (and Chad) most likely wouldn't find her attractive and want to date her.

 

 

If you don't have a lot of money...no problem...there's plenty of deals out there if you look for them and become aware of options. Shop sales, work out at home. All the things you need to do the above can be done frugally. The biggest expenditure will be your time to do the work.

 

I can't tell you as a single woman all the men I see that look like they just don't care about themselves. I don't intend for this post to be harsh but I really think if some of you men would look like you put the efforts into yourselves, women will be more interested in you. Just an observation

[loveweary11]

These are good points.

 

As long as the Timmays of the world are already doing these things, then they can have the top tier men discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read through some of this but not all. I think many of the Billy's, Timmy's, Bob's, etc. Could all improve their chances with women if they would just improve themselves. I will list some examples:

 

1. Work out. Lift weights, eat healthy foods. You don't need to be completely buff and chiseled, but if anything it will get you in better shape, give you better posture and most likely increase confidence. Not to mention give a glow to your skin.

 

2. Get a decent haircut. Something in style for your age and something flattering. Go to a female hairdresser and ask advice. If you are balding, follow the same advice and trim/style appropriately. Apply the same to facial hair.

 

3. Go to the dentist regularly. Fix any dental problems. Brush and floss regularly and use tooth whitening products. Then smile. Practice good hygiene at all times. If you wear glasses,get contacts or buy a nice pair of glasses.

 

4. Buy a few magazine's. Pay attention to what some of the Chad's are wearing these days...then go to the store and buy some in style clothes. Iron shirts before you wear them. Wear decent shoes...do not wear gym shoes unless your in the gym. Buy a dress coat. Own at least 1 suit.

 

5. Keep your house, and car clean. No woman of worth wants a mess of a man.

 

Bottom line here is look and be orderly. Everything mommy used to tell you...do it. Take the time to take care of yourself (as I'm sure Jake does). Any woman you would find attractive does this to some degree. If she didn't, you (and Chad) most likely wouldn't find her attractive and want to date her.

 

 

If you don't have a lot of money...no problem...there's plenty of deals out there if you look for them and become aware of options. Shop sales, work out at home. All the things you need to do the above can be done frugally. The biggest expenditure will be your time to do the work.

 

I can't tell you as a single woman all the men I see that look like they just don't care about themselves. I don't intend for this post to be harsh but I really think if some of you men would look like you put the efforts into yourselves, women will be more interested in you. Just an observation

[LookAtThisPOst]

You must not read my response to that list

 

 

These are good points.

As long as the Timmays of the world are already doing these things, then they can have the top tier men discussion.

[loveweary11]

You must not read my response to that list

 

I did.

 

But she has a point. Lots of guys aren't putting effort in the same way women do. The effort to look good.

 

As long as the Timmays are doing that, but are still unable to land anyone, then it makes more sense to dig into the other problem.

 

I'll admit there are definitely a few guys in the world I've seen no hope for, genetically, but this is very, very uncommon.

[LookAtThisPOst]

Again. You're saying men like the Timmys are NOT putting in the effort. This is only assumed and there's no way for you to know this.

 

 

I did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But she has a point. Lots of guys aren't putting effort in the same way women do. The effort to look good.

 

As long as the Timmays are doing that, but are still unable to land anyone, then it makes more sense to dig into the other problem.

 

I'll admit there are definitely a few guys in the world I've seen no hope for, genetically, but this is very, very uncommon.

[lino]

Again. You're saying men like the Timmys are NOT putting in the effort. This is only assumed and there's no way for you to know this.

 

You clearly missed the memo of how things work mate.

 

Woman can't find a man = Not at all her fault, She's just unlucky, all men are superficial pigs and just care about gorgeous 18 year olds and my favourite... Too many men are 'intimidated' by her superior education and high status job

 

Man can't find a woman = All his own doing As He only wants to go out with swimsuit models and he is an ungroomed, overweight slob that plays video games all day with porno wanks in between and sees 5 minutes of sunlight a week.

[elaine567]

Knew this guy once, an acquaintance of my bf at the time.

He was seriously good looking, fit, tall, handsome, and immaculately turned out.

 

Absolutely useless with women, no girlfriends, just occasional dates.

I know why.

He was as boring as hell to talk to, and spoke like the world was going to end at any minute.

Sometimes it is just not all about pure looks for women, if it was, that guy would have been top tier, as it was, he was on the bottom rung

 

However, everyone who is actively dating, needs to be at the top of their game looks wise and getting their stuff in order, I agree.

Men tend not to put the same effort in to look good as women and that often needs addressed.

When I see the work most women put in to looking attractive for dates, and the work they put in to keeping guys interested, I just laugh when I hear the whiners say women don't need to do any work!!!

[PrettyEmily77]

So who's deciding what type of guys goes into what tier? Other men? Women?

 

 

What are the minimum criteria to move up or down a tier? Or are you permanently stuck into the tier you're born into? Or are you even born into your tier?

 

 

Is there a sticker, a special signal or scent that makes all the women flock to these top tier guys?

 

 

Do top tier guys have a say in the matter, or are they even aware of the situation?

 

 

Do women have a say in the matter, or are they just magically drawn to these guys without thinking?

 

 

So many questions, and that's just from the thread title...

[elaine567]

You clearly missed the memo of how things work mate.

 

Woman can't find a man = Not at all her fault, She's just unlucky, all men are superficial pigs and just care about gorgeous 18 year olds and my favourite... Too many men are 'intimidated' by her superior education and high status job

 

 

I guess she will get the same ungracious comments from some men that men, who cannot find a women, do from women.

In fact I know it to be the case.

 

Women who can't find a man = All her own doing, as she only wants to go out with hot jacked guys and she is an overweight slob that eats junk food all day and is only looking for a man to use him for his money to buy bags and shoes or to feed her kids. Or she is a feminazi that hates men and only wants to abuse them anyway... OR she is as ugly as sin...

How dare she?

[GoodOnPaper]

When I see the work most women put in to looking attractive for dates, and the work they put in to keeping guys interested, I just laugh when I hear the whiners say women don't need to do any work!!!

 

The thing is, who are these men that women are putting in this work for? Certainly not guys like me or any other average guy, for that matter. It's for this supposed "top tier". That's pretty easy to see and I think that's why this argument doesn't sink in with as many guys as you think it would.

[loveweary11]

Again. You're saying men like the Timmys are NOT putting in the effort. This is only assumed and there's no way for you to know this.

 

No I didn't.

 

I said AS LONG AS TIMMAY HAS DONE ALL OF THESE THINGS, YET STILL REMAINS UNABLE TO GET ANYWHERE, only then can Timmay b%tch about it.

 

Damn.

 

And how come there are no South Park fans on here??

Edited May 13, 2015 by loveweary11

[LookAtThisPOst]

Well...some women could learn to date their equal in looks....out of shape, but thin woman to date the same in a man.

 

Some chubby women still think they are entitled to a man with washboard abs.

[carhill]

Well, women, in general, can pursue whomever they want and, if a top tier man wishes to include a woman whom other men may feel is unattractive in his hoard, that's his prerogative and an assuaging of her desires. Again, one cannot dictate to others what they want or what they pursue. Give it up. If those others blow by us in pursuit of top tier men who hoard women, then they do. We're, as men, irrelevant to them. Invisible. Cellophane. That's OK!

[TexasMan68]

If the Billy's would just lower their standards in their societal order they would get more women and become Chad's in their order. Look at it like boxing where there are many champions in different weight classes. Just know which class you are in and strive to be the best in it.

 

Regards,

 

Top tier champion.

[Hopeful714]

My point is that either a man or a woman can move up a tier by sprucing up and adopting some lifestyle changes. Put the work in and see for yourself.

 

Also..it is best to do these things for yourself, because it is really you making improvements in your quality of self. Then you will be an "authentic" top tier man instead of a fake one. You could always tell the woman who "dresses for men" as she leans towards the sleazy choices in dress, etc. Same for men.

 

Yes, this is vanity, but it IS how it IS because your physical appeal matters whether we want to admit it or not...regardless of how shallow it may be. It is however your personality, and quality of your person though that will determine if you are compatible enough with your date to make him her a mate. But we are talking Timmy's issues of pulling dates.

 

Lastly, if you are completely happy with how you are...that is fine. You do not need to be Chad. I am merely saying though that Chad is pulling the top tier women because he WORKS at being a top tier man.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I am merely saying though that Chad is pulling the top tier women because he WORKS at being a top tier man.

 

Depends, sometimes it can be effortless at times. I had situations where it required little effort to get dates.

[jay1983]

Well...some women could learn to date their equal in looks....out of shape, but thin woman to date the same in a man.

 

Some chubby women still think they are entitled to a man with washboard abs.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say entitled, but boy do big girls like fit guys. Lol

[jay1983]

I personally think you cannot dump all single, never had sex, never had a gf men into the category above. Why should I guy need to conform to what Chad is wearing in order to attract someone? Is this world so conformist that all females want all men to dress the same?

 

Guys are accused of being superficial....the above just proves females are equally so.

 

Because women like attractive men. The same goes for women, if she's fat, doesn't know how to dress, do her hair etc. She might wanna change herself up a little.

[BlueIris]

F*ck it, I'm changing my name to Chad. Problem solved.

 

HA!

And I just keep thinking of hanging Chad.