johndoe2 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Well in many animals, only a few males get to mate with all the females, so I'm not surprised Including some species of primates; humans are not entirely different. By some estimates only 30-40% of males of the species reproduce (historically speaking. Pair-bonding is a recent development in human history, largely social rather than biological. Fun fact: in some species of fish they will actually switch to the other sex when they can't find a suitable mate of the opposite sex. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Yeah my good looking friend pretty much has gotten any women he wanted.Hes pretty much slept with most women on okcupid.Every women in my social circle was attracted to him. These women he sleeps with obsess over him and think they were in a relationship with him when he couldn't pick them out of a lineup Link to post Share on other sites
MissBee Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I just want to know if the opposite is also true: are top tier women (whatever that means) hoarding all the men? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) This thread title makes me think of By some estimates only 30-40% of males of the species reproduce (historically speaking. Pair-bonding is a recent development in human history, largely social rather than biological. I'd ask "who" but I suspect I'd get the same answer as in the link above. Edited May 15, 2015 by serial muse Link to post Share on other sites
minime13 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We all know of a "Jake" or "Chad" who are generally Very good looking, charming and have strong social skills( to a lesser extent they may also have alot of money). Jake and Chad do well with women. In fact they do so well, it seems as if no women can resist their charms. Then we have John and Mike. John and Mike aren't playboys by any stretch of the imagination. They do however manage to get a date or a girlfriend if they try hard enough. Finally we have Billy and Timmy. Billy and Timmy both look far below the accepted threshold of the looks requirement to get a girlfriend. Men like Billy and Timmy will likely spend their whole life alone; Maybe if they're lucky enough a girl might fall their way, but Billy and Timmy aren't holding their breath. Billy and Timmy will likely attract women solely due to their salaries; If Billy and Timmy don't make enough dough... well then they'll be introduced to the world of WoW and pornography. As much as many of us try to deny it, by and large we have all met Billys and Timmys. They are the acquaintances we know that never seem to have a girlfriend, despite being strictly heterosexual. As much as some will try to deny it, In the dating game women are not dating men in an equal 1:1 ratio. More often it's One guy like Chad dating, hooking up with or having a one night stand with 5 or even 10 women. It is an ironic paradox; Women often complain that men are hungry sex hounds, yet will fall straight into the arms of Jakes and Chads, while avoiding Timmy and Billy like the plague. Scientifically, however it makes perfect sense as it falls in line with Darwins theory of natural selection. So my question to you is: Which tier do you fall in? Jake and Chad? Mike and John? Or are you like me, just a typical Billy(minus the video games which I have never played in my life) I get the sentiment of this, but this post seems a little misguided at most, and a little chauvinistic at least. I know it's an accepted part of life for women to be judged on looks and body - it's been plastered in advertising, movies, and all mediums of entertainment since the advent of advertising, but women are judged far more harshly on their looks in the dating pool. And yeah, for every "Jake" or "Chad" that is out there, there is also a "Jane" or "Mary" that is just as attractive and does the exact same thing as "Jake" and "Chad." Except they may not date 5 or 10 at a time, but simply string men along or hold a man's attention to where he can't see any other women. How many times have you seen a group of men scattered around the hottest girl in the room? I wouldn't say any of this is representative of Darwin's theory at all. A woman's "perfect" body, as molded by the advertising and entertainment world (and usually by gay male designers) is not realistic nor is it a healthy representation of a woman built for child-bearing and reproduction. But, I know that the OP isn't talking about a woman's point of view. So, let's look at it from a guy's perspective. Billy and Timmy have options; they just don't like them. They want the hottest, and don't see the women standing right in front of them that are not necessarily the hottest. Billy and Timmy should perhaps lead by example, and not place the ultimate importance of attracting a mate on looks. That's what birds do. Are we birds, or are we sentient enough to realize that there are many more characteristics that make a person than their appearance? Billy and Timmy should lower their physical expectations a little and they'll probably find some wonderful people. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Negative Nancy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 This why monogamy was invented... to distribute the women more evenly, giving the average man a chance at domestic bliss. This is why marriage was invented. To guarantee that each man gets one woman. Exactly. Monogamy benefited men, women and society alike - the nuclear family and peace and stability were ensured, children flourished in stable homes, men were granted a woman, and women had a stable man and a content family life. But almost every man, if he could get away with it, would love to have multiple women, and many pathetically assumed that the "sexual revolution" meant that they would tons of NSA sex with an endless stream of hot young women - LOL - now look where it got them. Since women are the gatekeepers of sex, they go for the best men they can get - and the average joe who dreamed about having multiple women with no commitment - actually sits home alone and the only form of sex he is getting is with his hand in front of a computer. Can't say I feel too much sympathy for them, though. Men wanted to throw out marriage and wanted a system where THEY could have a harem of women - but they found out that in that system, only a few men get the most women, and most men don't have any woman at all (or one that is less attractive than they hoped for). It's men's own fault. I've yet to meet a guy who has NEVER had ANY attention from ANY girl. Sure, you have standards, blah blah, and you don't want to settle. Very true. When men complain that NO woman is interested in them, what they actually mean is "no HOT woman is interested". :rolleyes: Plain Janes and fatties don't count for them - even though that means that they DO have women interested in them. They just try punch above their weight, and of course that never works out. No sympathy here either. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Negative Nancy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I know it's an accepted part of life for women to be judged on looks and body - it's been plastered in advertising, movies, and all mediums of entertainment since the advent of advertising, but women are judged far more harshly on their looks in the dating pool. How many times have you seen a group of men scattered around the hottest girl in the room? A woman's "perfect" body, as molded by the advertising and entertainment world (and usually by gay male designers) is not realistic nor is it a healthy representation of a woman built for child-bearing and reproduction. So, let's look at it from a guy's perspective. Billy and Timmy have options; they just don't like them. They want the hottest, and don't see the women standing right in front of them that are not necessarily the hottest. Billy and Timmy should perhaps lead by example, and not place the ultimate importance of attracting a mate on looks. Billy and Timmy should lower their physical expectations a little and they'll probably find some wonderful people. Quoted for telling it like it is. Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Quoted for telling it like it is. If you go a few pages back, I posted something like this, but how even chubby women want a man with washboard abs. LOL I recall this matching service owner. Apparently, he was dealing with this one rather difficult woman who was overly picky. She was paying him GOOD money to find her a match, but could only find the CLOSEST thing to a match he could find. The only problem was he was the height that she wasn't wanting, but he saved him...and called her in for a consultation on her "match". Her "match" had everything she was looking for as was she had already stated, "What am I looking for in a man.", however the exception was the height. She refused to even give him a lunch date and walked out of the office. The matchmaker just shook his in utter disbelief. He should have a side business, in case things don't work out with women like this...to start sending her a basket with a kitten and a bow....she's gonna need it...future cat lady. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I recall this matching service owner. Apparently, he was dealing with this one rather difficult woman who was overly picky. She was paying him GOOD money to find her a match, but could only find the CLOSEST thing to a match he could find. The only problem was he was the height that she wasn't wanting, but he saved him...and called her in for a consultation on her "match". Her "match" had everything she was looking for as was she had already stated, "What am I looking for in a man.", however the exception was the height. She refused to even give him a lunch date and walked out of the office. The matchmaker just shook his in utter disbelief. He should have a side business, in case things don't work out with women like this...to start sending her a basket with a kitten and a bow....she's gonna need it...future cat lady. Yes, but everyone likes what they like, and short guys are obviously NOT what she likes, why should she accept what she doesn't want? I once "seriously" dated a guy who was shorter but not too short, his height didn't bother me, his short arms did and although we eventually split up over other stuff, those short upper arms used to bug me, I didn't find them attractive one bit. Basically I didn't want little kids with the same short upper arms and I was glad when we split over other stuff, because I didn't have to go there and face the arms issue. - "who on earth splits up a perfectly good relationship over short upper arms??" - I guess I may have. As to that lady. Would the same shaking of heads be produced if the matchmaker presented a girl with very small boobs and who ticked all the other boxes, to a guy who says he loves big natural boobs. I guess not, because guys love big boobs and THEY are entitled to get big boobs, if they want them. Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Yes, but everyone likes what they like, and short guys are obviously NOT what she likes, why should she accept what she doesn't want? Actually, I think there ARE women out there that are attracted to such a man, but it's more along the lines of "I think I can do better" as oppose to not being completley unattracted by them. Just read "The Husband Store" and you'll know what I mean. It's more about women thinking they can do better as opposed to being not attracted to said man. "Yeah, he's cute and nice, but...." and so on. Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 because guys love big boobs Right, there are some guys that love big boobs, I love 'em, too, but....it won't be a deal breaker for me if they don't have 'em. It's just a bonus to me and some men...and wouldn't discount a woman and would likely still date her. It doesn't take much for ME to be attracted to a woman...as I'm sure the same can be said for some men out there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Right, there are some guys that love big boobs, I love 'em, too, but....it won't be a deal breaker for me if they don't have 'em. It's just a bonus to me and some men...and wouldn't discount a woman and would likely still date her. It doesn't take much for ME to be attracted to a woman...as I'm sure the same can be said for some men out there. Whether or not you like big boobs, was not the point I was making was it? Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Whether or not you like big boobs, was not the point I was making was it? Not really, no. You were saying that generally all guys like big boobs and they are entitled to get them if they want 'em and you can't always get what you want. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Actually, I think there ARE women out there that are attracted to such a man, but it's more along the lines of "I think I can do better" as oppose to not being completley unattracted by them. Just read "The Husband Store" and you'll know what I mean. It's more about women thinking they can do better as opposed to being not attracted to said man. "Yeah, he's cute and nice, but...." and so on. I believe some women are just NOT attracted to short men full stop and for some that IS a deal breaker, nothing to discuss further. In the same way some men will not date blondes, or women with no boobs or feminist women, or short women or tall women or career women or SAHMs... etc. Everyone wants the best deal for them. For many if they are not attracted to one aspect, it doesn't matter how many other boxes are ticked. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Not really, no. You were saying that generally all guys like big boobs and they are entitled to get them if they want 'em and you can't always get what you want. I was saying that the shaking of heads would not occur, if it a man wanting big boobs was offered a woman with small boobs. Most would nod sagely and say why should he accept something he doesn't want, men are visual, how could he have sex with her, how could he be properly satisfied without the stimulus of huge mammaries? BUT picky lady, better accept shorty or go buy a cat... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Most women aren't looking for someone "better", but rather are looking for the right guy. If she isn't attracted, he definitely isn't the right guy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Most women aren't looking for someone "better". Actually, I beg to differ. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Actually, I beg to differ. Women get crushes and fall in love, and that is the feeling we are looking for. When we feel that, we aren't looking for "better". That feeling is the BEST. And we feel that for average guys, just not every average guy we meet. The right average guy. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
GoodOnPaper Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Right, there are some guys that love big boobs, I love 'em, too, but....it won't be a deal breaker for me if they don't have 'em. It's just a bonus to me and some men...and wouldn't discount a woman and would likely still date her. It doesn't take much for ME to be attracted to a woman...as I'm sure the same can be said for some men out there. Of course -- the vast majority of women are at least "cute". If that wasn't the case, it would be a much sadder world. Most of the battle is finding one who actually likes you and then after that, you have to figure out if there is enough connection to take things further. Even though it does seem that there is a relatively small group of men to whom lots of women throw themselves, I think there are aspects of women's selection processes that, unlike ours, are more focused and individualized right from the start. It's just that for guys who feel they struggle, we can't bring ourselves to entirely trust this: And we feel that for average guys, just not every average guy we meet. The right average guy. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Even though it does seem that there is a relatively small group of men to whom lots of women throw themselves, I think there are aspects of women's selection processes that, unlike ours, are more focused and individualized right from the start. It's just that for guys who feel they struggle, we can't bring ourselves to entirely trust this: That's when it helps to look around at couples, and see that the men with lovey-eyed women on their arms aren't anything but average guys. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Most women aren't looking for someone "better", but rather are looking for the right guy. If she isn't attracted, he definitely isn't the right guy. It ends up being 'better' because looks is not that subjective. This is where you disagree with me. If looks is totally subjective, ask me how many hot blondes (or any blondes for that matter) have thought I was smoking hot or even cute over all my years? Men are the same. There is a small portion of the population who do not care about looks, money, status, and their choice of partners is way more subjective. I had a date last week and rubbing the money and looks slate away, she was just not for me. It's highly likely she thought the same. In that case, it's not about better, it's about right. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) ...................... Edited May 16, 2015 by JuneJulySeptember Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) Yes, but everyone likes what they like, and short guys are obviously NOT what she likes, why should she accept what she doesn't want? I once "seriously" dated a guy who was shorter but not too short, his height didn't bother me, his short arms did and although we eventually split up over other stuff, those short upper arms used to bug me, I didn't find them attractive one bit. Basically I didn't want little kids with the same short upper arms and I was glad when we split over other stuff, because I didn't have to go there and face the arms issue. - "who on earth splits up a perfectly good relationship over short upper arms??" - I guess I may have. As to that lady. Would the same shaking of heads be produced if the matchmaker presented a girl with very small boobs and who ticked all the other boxes, to a guy who says he loves big natural boobs. I guess not, because guys love big boobs and THEY are entitled to get big boobs, if they want them. You're posting in a thread, trying to convince guys that women are not shallow and don't want the absolute best, and you, yourself make a post about being bothered by a short guy with short arms because he would give your kids short arms? Why? Why? Why? You do realize you are fueling the OP's argument, do you not? On a side note, what on Earth would you do if your kids were born with something like achondroplasia? Edited May 16, 2015 by JuneJulySeptember Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 You're posting in a thread, trying to convince guys that women are not shallow and don't want the absolute best, and you, yourself make a post about being bothered by a short guy with short arms because he would give your kids short arms? Why? Why? Why? I know, right? LOL I couldn't believe what I was reading there. Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 There is a small portion of the population who do not care about looks Right, a woman I was lucky enough to date, exclusively, last year TOLD Me she cared nothing about looks. Later on, on one of our dates, I asked her, "Did you ever or do you have any celebrity crushes?" This was a typical question as it was a topic I heard on the radio about having celebrity crushes. HER answer pretty much reinforced her statement of, "I don't care about looks" even though I was thinking in the back of mind that she has to be kind of giving me a white lie...but her answer was, again...."Well, I don't really care about looks, but if I Had to name someone, I'd be <name of male celeb> That spoke volumes to me, because this is usually a question people answer SO easily without predicating it with "I don't care about looks." She was the small minority and with it came my lucky day of getting to date this woman. She was indeed in the minority. Link to post Share on other sites
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