Top tier men are hoarding all the women

[xxoo]

I would prefer sex, but I could see myself in a strong relationship without it, yes. If I was going to die in 4 years, would I rather have a sexless relationship with a fun, kind woman or wild sex with a bitch? Since I've already had sex, I pick A.

 

How would you feel on year 15 when you're both still alive and sexless?

 

Do you think it is unreasonable to want fun and kind AND have a sexual relationship? I think that's normal!

 

Yea, that was what I was saying. You're saying it's not about looks for women, but it's about weird, intangible alpha masculine triggers. In a debate sense, it doesn't really disprove OP's point.

 

I don't know about the alpha stuff, or the tiers. I think different women have different attraction triggers, and that's why most women find suitable partners. I definitely don't agree with the hoarding thing, as that type of guy would be a huge turn OFF for me.

[SolG]

I've posted this same sentiment before... But here goes again...

 

'Appearance' and it's attractiveness value is not all about looks. It's about how you wear what you wear, how you stand, how you gesture, how you're groomed... You can be objectively an Adonis, but if you're stooped over and slovenly, if you can't hold eye contact, your attractiveness quotient drops. And conversely, you can be average Joe in the looks dept... But if you carry yourself like you have self belief, your attractiveness goes up.

 

If you've passed the appearance test, then comes the second test, actual interraction. This is where Chad often comes unstuck. I'm sure many women can relate to this. Gorgeous well dressed guy that peaks your interest comes over to chat... And has an inane one sided conversation about how great he is. And he just get uglier and uglier by the second.

 

Be you and believe in you. That's what's more attractive in the long run.

[SolG]

I think the reason some guys are upset here is that Chad can talk about how great he is for hours, and many women will still jump in the sack with him, and ignore the average looking Joe. I know I have seen it enough myself. It still surprises me how crappy my Chad friend can treat women and they still line up to blow him.

 

Me, I'm your average looking guy, but I make up for it in other ways. I have a GF now, but I can see why some single, lonely guys would get discouraged by seeing people like my friend treat women like absolute dirt, but still keep them coming around.

 

I say don't be upset Average Joe. Because when you embrace who you are and become comfortable in your skin you become way more than 'average'. You become 'that guy' that's who he really is and says take me for who I am. Or not. And I'm okay with that.

 

And that's the same guy who sees Chad over in the corner with Superficial Suzy and realises that they deserve one another. Chad is actually saving him the trouble of having to deal with her ****

[JuneJulySeptember]

How would you feel on year 15 when you're both still alive and sexless?

 

Do you think it is unreasonable to want fun and kind AND have a sexual relationship? I think that's normal!

 

Yes, but when you are continuously getting rejected by women because of your looks, you feel like a hypocrite being critical of women for their looks.

 

And it's not just romance. It's the whole competitive game of life. That's where the mortality comes in. You don't feel like you have to play and 'keep up' and get the best for yourself. I could have a woman that might not be my ideal looks (or close to) and still enjoy my time in this world with her.

[loveweary11]

I think I have the answer... and the guys aren't going to like it. The last post sparked off the thought.

 

Getting the opposite sex (notice I do not say getting women)...

 

Getting the opposite sex is EXACTLY like getting rich. You have to work at it, make sacrifices and endure some personal hardship in order to make it.

 

Sadly, the average Joe (or Jane) is too lazy or not bright enough, or just doesn't care to put in the effort.

 

It's HARD work to become good with the opposite sex.

 

I was born a 100% computer geek. Skinny, pimply, with a bad personality.

 

Here's what I had to do:

 

*Took accutane to get rid of zits

*braces

*buy good clothes

*hang out with the "popular kids"

*hang out with lots of girls as friends

/end high school

*learn how to be good in bed (or decent... not sure I'm done learning this one)

*be confident, yet genuine and caring

*develop good taste in things (came naturally)

*realize i can get any girl i want and not be nervous doing so

*be more friendly and socible

*lift weights to keep upper body from going skinny (legs good from biking/snowboarding/hiking)

*develop "game" texting and in person

*learn how to take attractive selfies

*earn enough money to be a good catch financially

*find really fun, unique things to do with dates

*eat right every day

 

The list could probably go on for pages. Are the Timmays prepared to do these things? No. And that's why I have 4 very, very hot girls half my age just sitting waiting for me in NY right now...awaiting my return so we can have fun this summer. These girls aren't ready to be serious in life due to age, but they orbit around me.

 

Not trying to brag about the girls, but I earned it. I put in the work. If you don't put in at least the effort above, how do you expect to get girls?

[loveweary11]

Yes, but when you are continuously getting rejected by women because of your looks..........

 

Then you need to change your looks!

[loveweary11]

^^^^ Addendum to my longer post.......

 

My ex wife, I was with for 12 years, was one of the hottest women on the planet. All these this work I put in is what got her to... a wife everyone was envious of. (had a huge mental health defect the outside world couldn't see)

 

She was Miss Teen NY, was in some TV commercials and was on a reality show before they were big... Elimidate. She was also the head cocktail waitress at a very exclusive hotel bar, waiting on every celeb you can imagine and getting asked out by all of them (except Bill Clinton because he was with Hilary and Chelsea.. was Chelsea's birthday) But that's the level of attractiveness I'm talking about here.

 

You don't land a girl at this level (or girls almost as attractive and half your age) by sitting around waiting for them to come to you and complaining. You put the work in if you want it.

 

I realize I'm probably going to be hated now. I don't look like a Chad. I'm not that genetically gifted, but because of the work I put in, I get more and better girls than 99% of all Chads ever will.

 

So turn off the computer a moment and look in the mirror. Girls aren't selecting you because you're not at the best you can be,

 

You want girls?

 

You better work, b¡tch! (Britney Spears is wise)

[JuneJulySeptember]

 

The list could probably go on for pages. Are the Timmays prepared to do these things? No. And that's why I have 4 very, very hot girls half my age just sitting waiting for me in NY right now...awaiting my return so we can have fun this summer. These girls aren't ready to be serious in life due to age, but they orbit around me.

 

Not trying to brag about the girls, but I earned it. I put in the work. If you don't put in at least the effort above, how do you expect to get girls?

 

Then you need to change your looks!

 

I do dress well actually. My wardrobe consists of Kenneth Cole, DKNY, Banana Republic and such stuff and I get all of my pants tailored.

 

I run several times a week.

 

But it is for me. But I do not expect a woman to match me.

 

I don't really want to play life that way.

 

You can have your girls and orbiters. The days of me wanting a harem of the hottest women are way over.

 

I can be happy with a nice down home girl who may or may not be the best looking.

[JuneJulySeptember]

^^^^ Addendum to my longer post.......

 

My ex wife, I was with for 12 years, was one of the hottest women on the planet. All these this work I put in is what got her to... a wife everyone was envious of. (had a huge mental health defect the outside world couldn't see)

 

She was Miss Teen NY, was in some TV commercials and was on a reality show before they were big... Elimidate. She was also the head cocktail waitress at a very exclusive hotel bar, waiting on every celeb you can imagine and getting asked out by all of them (except Bill Clinton because he was with Hilary and Chelsea.. was Chelsea's birthday) But that's the level of attractiveness I'm talking about here.

 

You don't land a girl at this level (or girls almost as attractive and half your age) by sitting around waiting for them to come to you and complaining. You put the work in if you want it.

 

I realize I'm probably going to be hated now. I don't look like a Chad. I'm not that genetically gifted, but because of the work I put in, I get more and better girls than 99% of all Chads ever will.

 

So turn off the computer a moment and look in the mirror. Girls aren't selecting you because you're not at the best you can be,

 

You want girls?

 

You better work, b¡tch! (Britney Spears is wise)

 

I have never wanted the hot women actually, just the cutesy ones and even ones that a lot of guys would consider dumpy. I think a lot of them are quite attractive.

 

But they reject me, because they want guys like you. You reject them because you can get girls like Miss Teen USA.

 

You see where this game goes? And EVERYBODY plays for some reason.

Edited May 17, 2015 by JuneJulySeptember

[loveweary11]

I have never wanted the hot women actually, just the cutesy ones and even ones that a lot of guys would consider dumpy. I think a lot of them are quite attractive.

 

But they reject me, because they want guys like you. You reject them because you can get girls like Miss Teen USA.

 

You see where this game goes?

 

That's just like saying you could never be rich. You can do anything if you actually do something about it.

 

What have you actually done to get the girls you want?

 

Make your list of self improvements you've worked through like I did and let's see how you have improved yourself to attract the opposite sex.

 

My point is... if a skinny, pimply, awkward computer geek like me could change himself enough to land a Miss Teen NY for an actual wife... you can improve yourself enough to land the cutesy one you want.

 

But what are you (or anyone) actually doing about it?

[LookAtThisPOst]

Elimidate

 

Oh man, I remember that one! I think it started shortly after "Blind Date" which was hosted by Roger Lodge.

 

5 women - 1 guy or vice-versa and they had to wittle down to one.

[LookAtThisPOst]

Then you need to change your looks!

 

I would have to disagree, there are just some physical parameters the one cannot change. Like say...a funny shaped head or big nose (and no, getting a nose job isn't the answer). Either someone accepts you for who you are or fu** 'em.

 

My point is... if a skinny, pimply, awkward computer geek like me could change himself enough to land a Miss Teen NY for an actual wife... you can improve yourself enough to land the cutesy one you want.

 

I've seen these guys not even change this parameter get the "cutsey" women. So there goes that theory. Even I did, of course the "cutesy" woman was a geek herself. So there you go, don't change anything and date you're equivalent in looks.

Edited May 17, 2015 by LookAtThisPOst

[JuneJulySeptember]

That's just like saying you could never be rich. You can do anything if you actually do something about it.

 

What have you actually done to get the girls you want?

 

Make your list of self improvements you've worked through like I did and let's see how you have improved yourself to attract the opposite sex.

 

My point is... if a skinny, pimply, awkward computer geek like me could change himself enough to land a Miss Teen NY for an actual wife... you can improve yourself enough to land the cutesy one you want.

 

But what are you (or anyone) actually doing about it?

 

You know what's scary?

 

I actually got a graduate degree largely in part because I thought it would help earn me more money and help me with women. True story. Baaaaaad idea.

 

You know, I'll admit, the vast majority of people live life the way you do, so I can't 'put it down'.

 

But for me, I don't think you should have to work to get 'people'. I'm not that young, and every year I detach myself more and more from the rat-race of life.

 

Could I have been rich? Yes. I went to a top 20 school. Would that have helped me get a hotter woman? Yes. But, you know, none of it stays with us when we die. It's just about enjoying your time here.

[elaine567]

Then you need to change your looks!

Yes, but I guess a big part of your attractiveness to these half your age women buzzing around you, is the fact you earn loads of money and have a high end lifestyle and can splash the cash.

 

I am not saying you are a bad looking guy, if that is your pic I'd say you are a good looking guy, but your average Joe cannot compete in the money stakes with you, cannot compete in the business stakes with you, and most likely cannot compete in the intelligence stakes either with you.

So he can, Yes, start looking better and being better (I like your list), but unless he has something else going for him (like money, like natural charisma), he will still be struggling to land hot, hot, hot women.

[loveweary11]

I would have to disagree, there are just some physical parameters the one cannot change. Like say...a funny shaped head or big nose (and no, getting a nose job isn't the answer). Either someone accepts you for who you are or fu** 'em.

 

 

 

I've seen these guys not even change this parameter get the "cutsey" women. So there goes that theory. Even I did.

 

 

Look at my avatar!! My nose is facing the camera directly. It's f'n huge. I'm known as a guy with a big nose. I've always had one of the biggest noses.

 

You have to develop other strengths that make your slightly larger nose seem like nothing.

 

I love how everyone can just complain still, but doesn't even put in enough effort to discuss what they are doing to improve themselves to attract members of the opposite sex.

 

This is tough love, guys. Because I used to feel like and probably looked like you. U changed. If I could do it, so could you.

[JuneJulySeptember]

Oh man, I remember that one! I think it started shortly after "Blind Date" which was hosted by Roger Lodge.

 

5 women - 1 guy or vice-versa and they had to wittle down to one.

 

Blind Date was the best show.

 

Competitive dating the way it is in the real world for show.

 

It was entertaining tho. I remember those women meeting some of those men and right away she was like "Uh, no!"

[LookAtThisPOst]

Yes, but I guess a big part of your attractiveness to these half your age women buzzing around you, is the fact you earn loads of money and have a high end lifestyle and can splash the cash.

 

I am not saying you are a bad looking guy, if that is your pic I'd say you are a good looking guy, but your average Joe cannot compete in the money stakes with you, cannot compete in the business stakes with you, and most likely cannot compete in the intelligence stakes either with you.

So he can, Yes, start looking better and being better (I like your list), but unless he has something else going for him (like money, like natural charisma), he will still be struggling to land hot, hot, hot women.

 

Right, there are just some people where landing dates with multiple women comes easy to them, where with me, I'm lucky I get a date 2 or 3 times a year.

 

Usually achieving a high paying job is yet another achievement usually brought about knowing someone. Heck, even landing a mediocre job in this market you have to be related to someone in the company or be good friends with someone to land you a job. I know places where nepotism got 99% of the employees got their jobs. But, this is a whole different conversation altogether.

[loveweary11]

Yes, but I guess a big part of your attractiveness to these half your age women buzzing around you, is the fact you earn loads of money and have a high end lifestyle and can splash the cash.

 

I am not saying you are a bad looking guy, if that is your pic I'd say you are a good looking guy, but your average Joe cannot compete in the money stakes with you, cannot compete in the business stakes with you, and most likely cannot compete in the intelligence stakes either with you.

So he can, Yes, start looking better and being better (I like your list), but unless he has something else going for him (like money, like natural charisma), he will still be struggling to land hot, hot, hot women.

 

I had literally none of these things when I started though.

 

Every single aspect you are talking about, I developed through very hard work.

 

I'm not that good looking of a guy. Just average. But I put the work in.

 

If i can get "top tier" women through my efforts, as an average looking guy, surely they can get average women if they put a little effort in?

Edited May 17, 2015 by loveweary11

[JuneJulySeptember]

Look at my avatar!! My nose is facing the camera directly. It's f'n huge. I'm known as a guy with a big nose. I've always had one of the biggest noses.

 

You have to develop other strengths that make your slightly larger nose seem like nothing.

 

I love how everyone can just complain still, but doesn't even put in enough effort to discuss what they are doing to improve themselves to attract members of the opposite sex.

 

This is tough love, guys. Because I used to feel like and probably looked like you. U changed. If I could do it, so could you.

 

One thing that I have always wondered is that people play the game "Get the best they can get." And everybody plays that way, I'll admit.

 

What happens when you are married with kids and somebody better comes along? Somebody better will ALWAYS come along, especially when you play the game that way.

[elaine567]

Every single aspect you are talking about, I developed through very hard work.

 

I am not saying you didn't have to work for it, but some do not have that drive, that skill, that flair, the contacts, the ability to take risks, to get on in life and get to where you are now.

Most work hard and get virtually nowhere actually.

[loveweary11]

You know what's scary?

 

I actually got a graduate degree largely in part because I thought it would help earn me more money and help me with women. True story. Baaaaaad idea.

 

You know, I'll admit, the vast majority of people live life the way you do, so I can't 'put it down'.

 

But for me, I don't think you should have to work to get 'people'. I'm not that young, and every year I detach myself more and more from the rat-race of life.

 

Could I have been rich? Yes. I went to a top 20 school. Would that have helped me get a hotter woman? Yes. But, you know, none of it stays with us when we die. It's just about enjoying your time here.

 

Right. I agree. Are you enjoying your time here? The posts I'm reading say you aren't happy with your woman situation. Why not put some effort in to your appearance and character to add more enjoyment to your time here on Earth?

 

Money absolutely does not get you women. It gets you escorts, gold digger types, etc. Overall appearance and how you interact with them is what gets you women.

[JuneJulySeptember]

 

If i can get "top tier" women through my efforts, as an average looking guy, surely they can get average women if they put a little effort in?

 

I have had girlfriends.

 

At least 2 of them are what most men would consider average looking. Both got hit on in public places and one was fit and the other had a cute face. At least one of my male friends thought one was hot.

 

But I don't want to 'target' that or better. I just went out with a woman who most people in society would consider way below the level of either of them. And I even hate to say it that way, because it's so ****ing shallow dude.

 

It's such a shallow world and I hate contributing to that.

[elaine567]

If i can get "top tier" women through my efforts, as an average looking guy, surely they can get average women if they put a little effort in?

 

Yes, I do agree some make very little effort to change even small things to make themselves more attractive to women or even people in general.

[loveweary11]

I am not saying you didn't have to work for it, but some do not have that drive, that skill, that flair, the contacts, the ability to take risks, to get on in life and get to where you are now.

Most work hard and get virtually nowhere actually.

 

Well, um... if they don't have the ability, maybe that's why they aren't being sought after fir sex? Who would want to mix their genes with someone who has no drive?

 

Darwin at work.

 

I honestly don't see why other people, who were not born Chads, can't just improve themselves like I did.

 

They don't need to go as extreme to get average Jane. Just a few basic improvements will likely land them a great girl/wife.

 

But no effort into their appearance, the way their personality is received, means zero girls.

 

I'm talking from experience here. I was very, very undesirable in my early life.

[JuneJulySeptember]

Right. I agree. Are you enjoying your time here? The posts I'm reading say you aren't happy with your woman situation. Why not put some effort in to your appearance and character to add more enjoyment to your time here on Earth?

 

More so, yes.

 

I am actually pretty happy right now. I've whined in the past I'll admit. But I'm much more at peace now. I don't need a woman for the rest of my life. I can be OK with the things I enjoy.