Camaro Guy Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 One thing I've noticed with guys who are really good with women are several things: They are very amoral when it comes to girlsThey tell someone what they want to hearThey are extremely socially intelligentThey talk to massive numbers of women with direct intention of going further Notice I didn't include looks in that. It can play a part but generally, good looking people are more socially intelligent because they are often thrust into that world a young age. They know how to play the game. A lot of my friends are very "grey" when it comes to girls. They do whatever it takes to get a girl. I have one friend who is an upstanding guy. He donates to charities, is kind to everyone, has nothing but positivity. But he is an absolute rake when it comes to women. He will exaggerate, lie, do whatever it takes for him to get laid. He said he thinks he's been with 50+ women but he lost count a long time ago. I've read the Art of Seduction and most of my friends are masters when it comes to scoring with women. It's like it's in their DNA. You would have thought it would transfer to me by osmosis, but it hasn't. One of my friends said: "I was never good with girls. It was a learning process. I had to become extremely charismatic and confident almost to the point of arrogance. Then, I was drowning in female attention. But you just don't get it. You gotta earn that." This was a revelation to me and I made it my mission to become socially intelligent without seeming too manipulative. I've decided to take an amoral/whatever means necessary to get girls too. I realize that my main goal at this age is to have sex and try and gain experience. Relationship to me at this point is counterproductive. I was waiting in line the other day to get a ticket for the bus station. I hit up one girl, started talking. I lied about myself and where I was going. I then got her number. Texted her and said that I wanted to do lunch. She agreed. We were talking, I indirectly lied about myself throughout that entire conversation. I then made her fill in the blanks with what I was saying by being very vague. I contributed very little She was pretty much talking to herself. She ate it up. I know women don't like to hear this but most things don't happen "organically", especially on the guys part. There is massive intention there. If a guy wants to have sex with a girl, he will do whatever he can to make it happen. Every act to get with a girl involves intention. In addition to that, it's all about up-playing yourself to make it seem as if the other person is getting the best deal. "Being yourself" may be good for a relationship but terrible for meeting girls. It honestly feels sort of good being able to maneuver like this. I thought I had no power whatsoever. Now, I feel as if I can get what I want by being amoral. It's kind of fun. We're hitting the bars tonight, so I intend to stretch this a bit further and see how far I can push the envelope. Link to post Share on other sites
Satu Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 You sound totally desperate. 11 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Camaro Guy Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 You sound totally desperate. Is that all you have to say? Really? If you were a virgin at 25 with no relationship experience, you'd be "desperate" too. This is a new strategy for me. All the others didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites
travelbug1996 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I feel sad for you.:( Link to post Share on other sites
Author Camaro Guy Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 I feel sad for you.:( Yeah, I'd be sad too if I was a virgin at 25. Haha. It's not fun. But the challenge to become a guy who consistently scores is. It adds spice. Life would be boring if everything was handed over on a plate. Link to post Share on other sites
Satu Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Is that all you have to say? Really? If you were a virgin at 25 with no relationship experience, you'd be "desperate" too. This is a new strategy for me. All the others didn't work. I just think that your original post is incredible sad. You seem to have you given up on being yourself 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii51 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Sex is about you, and how you sync up with your partner. That's what makes great sex. You can hollow out a 1000 girls, and still be inept at orchestrating an orgasm. All you really need is a few good women that love you when you're being the man you're comfortable being. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
aloneinaz Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I don't agree with most of what you said in your post OP. I think for guys to have success with women, it boils down to being yourself and being comfortable in your own shoes. Confidence is really key. You don't have to look like Brad Pitt to have success. Yes, you can't be 50lbs overweight and ugly but most average guys who are comfortable with who they are, have reasonable people skills and confidence can do perfectly fine. Link to post Share on other sites
Gloria25 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Guys who get girls are not on message boards posting 101 ways they cannot score.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
gaius Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 You don't have to always tell women what they want to hear. In fact I'd say the majority of women that I've dated had serious disagreements with me on at least one major topic. Contrast can breed sexual chemisty for sure. It's really not that fun being with a woman who won't accept you unless you have to lie. =/ Link to post Share on other sites
calvincline47 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 One thing I've noticed with guys who are really good with women are several things: They are very amoral when it comes to girlsThey tell someone what they want to hearThey are extremely socially intelligentThey talk to massive numbers of women with direct intention of going further I would say that all are true except bullet #2. I haven't found that to really matter. I would also re-phrase #1 to be "morally ambiguous", not necessarily immoral. #3 and #4 are spot-on though. Also, add looks/height to it and I think you have a really good list. Link to post Share on other sites
2.50 a gallon Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 CG Not bragging, just a fact, my uncounted score (it never occurred to me to count), was many times your friend. However I never had to cheat by lieing. I was just a fun loving, party guy, that really liked being with women. The key to my success, was having a certain amount of confidence to cold approach and talk to attractive women. If you listen a woman will tell you how to seduce her. Also understand most women enjoy sex just as much as men, and I met many who just wanted an occasional night or two of passion. Most of my girl friends, realized that I was not the marrying kind and all they wanted was to have some fun, until Mr. Right came along. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
loveweary11 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Side point: 2:50 a gal...... How did you change your image from fun guy to "marriage material" while at the same time being fun enough to have a good selection to choose from? I was married for 10 years, but now that I'm single again, all I have are a bunch of girls who want to have fun, but never take me as "the one" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Side point: 2:50 a gal...... How did you change your image from fun guy to "marriage material" while at the same time being fun enough to have a good selection to choose from? I was married for 10 years, but now that I'm single again, all I have are a bunch of girls who want to have fun, but never take me as "the one" Fun girls half your age, are not looking for "the one", you will always be seen as some sort of sugar daddy to them. One day those young party goers are going to move on to the next cool "older" guy, some other guy who will splash the cash and show them a good time - whilst you shuffle off into your 50s. They will also likely want to settle down with some eligible guy their own age and their place on the party scene will be occupied by even younger girls. Younger girls who have no loyalty to you I guess either. Unless you change your target market to include more serious women, women who are looking for men like you to settle down with, you are going to end up sad and lonely. Link to post Share on other sites
loveweary11 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Fun girls half your age, are not looking for "the one", you will always be seen as some sort of sugar daddy to them. One day those young party goers are going to move on to the next cool "older" guy, some other guy who will splash the cash and show them a good time - whilst you shuffle off into your 50s. They will also likely want to settle down with some eligible guy their own age and their place on the party scene will be occupied by even younger girls. Younger girls who have no loyalty to you I guess either. Unless you change your target market to include more serious women, women who are looking for men like you to settle down with, you are going to end up sad and lonely. Sad and lonely? I think not. You might be projecting you own insecurity onto me. I'm strong enough to not care. I'm not sad. Sadness comes from within. From being weak and having wants/needs you haven't mastered. I have been 100% solitary, except the internet, for months on end right now. Quite happy, not sad. Most people die without a significant other. I've already been married. I've been in serious relationships consecutively from age 17 until a couple ears ago. Life is better unmarried, I'm pretty sure at this point. However, I think it would be fun to have a few more girlfriends along the way... i think.. could be wrong, but I'd like to try that again. However, I don't know and don't meet anyone"serious." That's not what I find out there. I find playful people, like myself, but I'm unsure how to refine my image to look more the boyfriend type. I mean... i guess that will probably change a lot now, as I have a good platform to entertain on. Anyway, 2:50.....what did you do? I'd like to have more of an ability to lock in some of these girls Elaine describes. Not as a wife... just as a slightly more serious person to travel with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BronzeAgeJaeger217 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Yeah, I'd be sad too if I was a virgin at 25. Haha. It's not fun. But the challenge to become a guy who consistently scores is. It adds spice. Life would be boring if everything was handed over on a plate. If there's anything I've observed over the years, and as cruel, harsh, unfair it is, is that there's never an excuse for a guy to be needy, desperate, but the other way around? It seems more socially acceptable Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 One thing I've noticed with guys who are really good with women are several things: They are very amoral when it comes to girls Nope... They tell someone what they want to hear Never...ever...I tell it like it is...sugar coating is for bakers.. They are extremely socially intelligent I consider myself somewhat socially inept, actually..but I am kind of intelligent-I think. They talk to massive numbers of women with direct intention of going further Nope...I am not the type that makes small talk ...especially with women..I rarely if ever even make eye contact.. You are over thinking this, man.... Ive always had a lot of attention from women, probably way more than I even deserve, despite having a shytty personality and no "game"...None of the things the OP mention do I employ or posess..And I am also only like...5'7"... I really can't tell you what "it" is...I guess you would have to ask them..I am confident, successful and do take care of myself, but those arent things I do in the hopes of attracting women, its just who I am..I'm told I am good looking, but I really don't think so...I mean I don't think I am ugly, but I am no Tom Brady or anything.. The more stories I read on sites like this, the more I think guys are just shooting themselves in the foot looking for secrets and tricks...There are none..Period.. TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Sad and lonely? I think not. You might be projecting you own insecurity onto me. I'm strong enough to not care. I'm not sad. Sadness comes from within. From being weak and having wants/needs you haven't mastered. I have been 100% solitary, except the internet, for months on end right now. Quite happy, not sad. I didn't say you are sad and lonely now. My God you seem to have young girls coming out of your ears, I am talking in the future if your desire to be "the one" doesn't come to fruition. If you want to be "the one" then you have to kinda act like "the one". Hanging out with different young party goers on your arm is not gong to attract "serious" people is it? Link to post Share on other sites
Revolver Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 It sucks seeing guys you know run through different women every week while you masturbate to porn at nights. And when you ask them how they do it they give you some bs cliche answer. Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 One thing I've noticed with guys who are really good with women are several things: They are very amoral when it comes to girlsThey tell someone what they want to hearThey are extremely socially intelligentThey talk to massive numbers of women with direct intention of going further Notice I didn't include looks in that. It can play a part but generally, good looking people are more socially intelligent because they are often thrust into that world a young age. They know how to play the game. A lot of my friends are very "grey" when it comes to girls. They do whatever it takes to get a girl. I have one friend who is an upstanding guy. He donates to charities, is kind to everyone, has nothing but positivity. But he is an absolute rake when it comes to women. He will exaggerate, lie, do whatever it takes for him to get laid. He said he thinks he's been with 50+ women but he lost count a long time ago. I've read the Art of Seduction and most of my friends are masters when it comes to scoring with women. It's like it's in their DNA. You would have thought it would transfer to me by osmosis, but it hasn't. One of my friends said: "I was never good with girls. It was a learning process. I had to become extremely charismatic and confident almost to the point of arrogance. Then, I was drowning in female attention. But you just don't get it. You gotta earn that." This was a revelation to me and I made it my mission to become socially intelligent without seeming too manipulative. I've decided to take an amoral/whatever means necessary to get girls too. I realize that my main goal at this age is to have sex and try and gain experience. Relationship to me at this point is counterproductive. I was waiting in line the other day to get a ticket for the bus station. I hit up one girl, started talking. I lied about myself and where I was going. I then got her number. Texted her and said that I wanted to do lunch. She agreed. We were talking, I indirectly lied about myself throughout that entire conversation. I then made her fill in the blanks with what I was saying by being very vague. I contributed very little She was pretty much talking to herself. She ate it up. I know women don't like to hear this but most things don't happen "organically", especially on the guys part. There is massive intention there. If a guy wants to have sex with a girl, he will do whatever he can to make it happen. Every act to get with a girl involves intention. In addition to that, it's all about up-playing yourself to make it seem as if the other person is getting the best deal. "Being yourself" may be good for a relationship but terrible for meeting girls. It honestly feels sort of good being able to maneuver like this. I thought I had no power whatsoever. Now, I feel as if I can get what I want by being amoral. It's kind of fun. We're hitting the bars tonight, so I intend to stretch this a bit further and see how far I can push the envelope. A man who chooses amorality to get laid is not a man. I have no respect for him, and if he comes near my daughter....it will not be pretty. This is pathetic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
NGC1300 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I just think that your original post is incredible sad. Blame women for fostering that mentality among men. He's mostly right. Link to post Share on other sites
Clarence_Boddicker Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Empty sex becomes unfulfilling quickly for many people. If you're the relationship type of person, casual sex will get old quick. If you don't crave & miss an emotional connection with someone, then you should be fine. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 ...and to think people fought and died for morality. For "men" - and I use that term very loosely* - to deliberately lie and deceive and crow abut it, just to get laid is a very sorry state of affairs... Ugh!!! It IS sad. Blame women???????!!!!!!! OK, how can it be all women's fault, if he chooses to lie to a girl, a girl who he has intentions of f*cking and then dumping. The morality of a sewer rat comes to mind... I take that back, sewer rats I guess are honest in their intentions. I am all for hooking up if that floats your boat, but sneaking around and manipulating women into sex is dire stuff. men* - I sincerely apologise to all decent men out there. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) i've slept with over 40 women and i would tend to agree with your analysis Edited May 23, 2015 by alphamale Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Blame women for fostering that mentality among men. He's mostly right. What a surprise.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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