Does anybody here agree with this quote that women are in charge of dating?

[jay1983]

They do, how exactly does that work? I may need to glean some things off of these younger people. So if I don't care and you don't care....it's a successful relationship as neither has any power?

 

Trippi trippi trippi, high like bobby and Whitney, I smoke more weed than a hippy!

 

Sorry I was goofing off, anyway

 

Then we would've either never gotten together or it would fizzled out with neither one of us putting up with anything inconvenient and making very little effort to court one another.

 

I think you're misunderstanding what's being described. The OP has it that women have more power in relationship. The reason it seems that way is because men are pursuing women so women have the option to easily replace him if they're dissatisfied. Unless of course the man has the options and can easily replace the woman. Either he's a rare very desirable guy who has many beautiful women chasing him or an average joe, but she isn't quite up to par with what he's looking for.

 

It's like if a girl who really liked me, but I was meh about, asked me out and I agreed. If she's really nice, I might keep seeing her but I'm not gonna go out of way to keep her.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Trippi trippi trippi, high like bobby and Whitney, I smoke more weed than a hippy!

 

Sorry I was goofing off, anyway

 

Then we would've either never gotten together or it would fizzled out with neither one of us putting up with anything inconvenient and making very little effort to court one another.

 

I think you're misunderstanding what's being described. The OP has it that women have more power in relationship. The reason it seems that way is because men are pursuing women so women have the option to easily replace him if they're dissatisfied. Unless of course the man has the options and can easily replace the woman. Either he's a rare very desirable guy who has many beautiful women chasing him or an average joe, but she isn't quite up to par with what he's looking for.

 

It's like if a girl who really liked me, but I was meh about, asked me out and I agreed. If she's really nice, I might keep seeing her but I'm not gonna go out of way to keep her.

 

Well as you said since typically women are the ones being pursued they can replace him if they are dissatisfied with him, yes a man can too if he is the very rare type of guy with loads, tons of options, a harem of women, but most men have to move on from being replaced by a woman in that situation and keep actively pursuing, going through tons of rejection or being friend zoned, boyfriend objections from women, where the response is "I have a boyfriend, sorry I have a boyfriend', until he finally gets a yes.

 

And yes women do usually always have the power when it comes to determining when the guy and girl are gonna have sex for the first time, and while it feels the guy has to do all or most of the work in the beginning when it comes to meeting them, scheduling and planning dates, calling/texting first, the woman controls the pace of how the guy is leading, so when people say the guy has control, is in charge since he is the one taking the lead, doing the leading, the woman controls the pace of his leadership since she is usually always the one that is in response mode.

[Eggplant]

Women are in charge of sex, I don't don't know if that means dating overall

 

 

both parties need the other

[Rejected Rosebud]

how she will be treated and looked at by the man (for instance, are you a casual play-thing or relationship/girlfriend material?) This is all up to the woman, and the woman has the most control via means of her “influence.” A misconception is to view it the other way. The core of power does not come from the one who is initiating (the man)."

 

 

Do you agree or disagree with that quote?

I think it's really weird and backwards to even look at dating as some kind of power struggle where we have to argue agree or disagree about which one has the most power!! There is power in pursuing and taking initiative and there is power in accepting or rejecting!!! Also the bolded - don't forget that a guy is just as likely to be a casual plaything and not "relationship material" as a girl is!!!

[Rejected Rosebud]

well there is no denying the fact that women are almost always in the position of just having to either say "Yes" or "No" to things.

I guess if she's basically comatose that's all she has to do :confused:?? Anyway I deny that "fact" enthusiastically!! I am hardly ever in that position except maybe at the drivethrough window when they ask if I want to supersize that and I bet they ask men exactly the same!!

[jay1983]

Well as you said since typically women are the ones being pursued they can replace him if they are dissatisfied with him, yes a man can too if he is the very rare type of guy with loads, tons of options, a harem of women, but most men have to move on from being replaced by a woman in that situation and keep actively pursuing, going through tons of rejection or being friend zoned, boyfriend objections from women, where the response is "I have a boyfriend, sorry I have a boyfriend', until he finally gets a yes.

 

And yes women do usually always have the power when it comes to determining when the guy and girl are gonna have sex for the first time, and while it feels the guy has to do all or most of the work in the beginning when it comes to meeting them, scheduling and planning dates, calling/texting first, the woman controls the pace of how the guy is leading, so when people say the guy has control, is in charge since he is the one taking the lead, doing the leading, the woman controls the pace of his leadership since she is usually always the one that is in response mode.

 

I dunno I'm not exactly chad and ive dated women without caring whether they stay or go. I admit I do have options, but they aren't women I really want

[Renton]

I admit I do have options, but they aren't women I really want

 

A great way of saying "not settling for just anyone"

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

I dunno I'm not exactly chad and ive dated women without caring whether they stay or go. I admit I do have options, but they aren't women I really want

 

I guess it depends on the quality of women

[Elam]

I got this quote from a woman that is a dating coach and matchmaker, her name is Amy Laurent, and yes she like 99 percent of women who stubbornly, adamantly insist that the man do the pursuing, approaching, asking out, making the first move, etc.

 

 

She says that even though the man is taking the lead, doing the leading. Because many people argue and say that since the man typically does the leading, takes the lead, does the approaching and asking out, makes the first move, that means he is the one in charge, in control, but not according to her, here is here quote:

 

 

"All the decisions and power lies where the woman sets the boundaries by saying “Yes” or “No” to things. It’s the woman that sets the pace, sets the parameters, and dictates how she will be treated and looked at by the man (for instance, are you a casual play-thing or relationship/girlfriend material?) This is all up to the woman, and the woman has the most control via means of her “influence.” A misconception is to view it the other way. The core of power does not come from the one who is initiating (the man)."

 

 

Do you agree or disagree with that quote?

 

Men, display, women select. Here's the kick. If you play it smart you can get free sex. You just gotta aim your sights at the group that is more prone to wanting casual sex. Women in their 20s. If you look good all you need to sleep with them is to keep your mouth shut. But if you play it dumb by showing that you have a future, that you have the brains and the brawl, that you have a future - women will close their legs as fast as a high tech train covers the distance from tokyo to nagasaki.

 

Pretend to be the handsome dumb dude and sex will be easy, show yourself to have good qualities and women will want to make you their boyfriend and that's not what you want.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Men, display, women select. Here's the kick. If you play it smart you can get free sex. You just gotta aim your sights at the group that is more prone to wanting casual sex. Women in their 20s. If you look good all you need to sleep with them is to keep your mouth shut. But if you play it dumb by showing that you have a future, that you have the brains and the brawl, that you have a future - women will close their legs as fast as a high tech train covers the distance from tokyo to nagasaki.

 

Pretend to be the handsome dumb dude and sex will be easy, show yourself to have good qualities and women will want to make you their boyfriend and that's not what you want.

Glad you say that, its just I hate it and it gets annoying on how so many people argue and say, think guys, as in so-called real men, men with balls, have the power in the dating game, they make it sound like the man gets to call all the shots

[Elam]

Glad you say that, its just I hate it and it gets annoying on how so many people argue and say, think guys, as in so-called real men, men with balls, have the power in the dating game, they make it sound like the man gets to call all the shots

 

The people who give you your student loans are not going to tell you that for the next 20 years you'll be a slave to them. They want you to buy into what they are selling. Obviously women are going to tell you that no, men and women are equal, that we share the same amount of power in the dating world. Could you imagine what would happen if average-looking men would stop pursuing women, stop showering them with attention and gifts?

 

The entire world's economy would fall because men spend 90% of their time trying to get laid.

[Rejected Rosebud]

Glad you say that, its just I hate it and it gets annoying on how so many people argue and say, think guys, as in so-called real men, men with balls, have the power in the dating game, they make it sound like the man gets to call all the shots

Who says that?? :confused: What it looks like to me at least on here is that there are a few of you guys who are pretty preoccupied with stuff like what sex has it easier or harder. Really NOBODY has "the power" in dating everybody is in charge of THEMSELF. If a person wants something the thing to do is to try to go for that whether you are a man or a woman and no matter how you go about it!!!:bunny: If you think the average woman is happily sitting around being courted by a line of eligible bachelors just waiting for her dream guy to show up in the line that is just so far from the way it is!!!

[Rejected Rosebud]

The people who give you your student loans are not going to tell you that for the next 20 years you'll be a slave to them. They want you to buy into what they are selling. Obviously women are going to tell you that no, men and women are equal, that we share the same amount of power in the dating world. Could you imagine what would happen if average-looking men would stop pursuing women, stop showering them with attention and gifts?

most people would not care, in general a woman is interested in having attention (gifts?? ) from a guy she really likes not hoards of random guys whether they are average looking or not.

 

The entire world's economy would fall because men spend 90% of their time trying to get laid.

You are really projecting!!!

 

Anyway once again here is a guy who clearly doesn't know women or care to know us telling the world "like it is" with women, do you realize or care how offensive or at least lame this is to read when you're a woman and you actually know how you feel about this stuff???:confused: Srsly dude!

[Elam]

most people would not care, in general a woman is interested in having attention (gifts?? ) from a guy she really likes not hoards of random guys whether they are average looking or not.

 

You are really projecting!!!

 

Anyway once again here is a guy who clearly doesn't know women or care to know us telling the world "like it is" with women, do you realize or care how offensive or at least lame this is to read when you're a woman and you actually know how you feel about this stuff???:confused: Srsly dude!

 

Do you know how offensive it is to listen to the advice people give to men? ''be yourself.'' '''No, women aren't as visual as men are''

 

''Women need to feel loved before they have sex.''

 

''Women care more about personality than they do about looks.''

 

You might not want the attention of the men you aren't into, but I've spent most of my life with women of varied backgrounds, races, and history and I beg to differ from what you claim.

 

My honor feels very bruised! How can a man ever dare to understand how a woman is or how she thinks!? We are too complex and different for that?!

 

(but guys... you are all the same generic unit..)

 

[Rejected Rosebud]

Do you know how offensive it is to listen to the advice people give to men? ''be yourself.'' '''No, women aren't as visual as men are''

 

''Women need to feel loved before they have sex.''

 

''Women care more about personality than they do about looks.''

 

You might not want the attention of the men you aren't into, but I've spent most of my life with women of varied backgrounds, races, and history and I beg to differ from what you claim.

 

My honor feels very bruised! How can a man ever dare to understand how a woman is or how she thinks!? We are too complex and different for that?!

 

(but guys... you are all the same generic unit..)

 

But I don't think guys are all the same genetic unit and I NEVER talk like I think that either, I know alot of guys and they are pretty different from each other.

 

Also I said that it was offensive to BE a woman and here you and 2 or 3 other guys loudly (on the Internet anyway! ) stating that "women ARE like this" when I am sitting here being nothing like that at all!!

 

And that advice that you think is "offensive." Well first of all how can advice be offensive, just don't take it if you don't like it?? But why would you find it offensive if a woman cared more about personality than looks, wanted to wait til she was in love to have sex??? OR, if a woman wanted to have sex with a really hot guy she just met at the bus stop??? Don't understand how that could be offensive or hurtful to you or how it could even be any of your personal beeswax!!

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Who says that?? :confused: What it looks like to me at least on here is that there are a few of you guys who are pretty preoccupied with stuff like what sex has it easier or harder. Really NOBODY has "the power" in dating everybody is in charge of THEMSELF. If a person wants something the thing to do is to try to go for that whether you are a man or a woman and no matter how you go about it!!!:bunny: If you think the average woman is happily sitting around being courted by a line of eligible bachelors just waiting for her dream guy to show up in the line that is just so far from the way it is!!!

 

Women get approached or asked out at least every week or month

[toolforgrowth]

Women get approached or asked out at least every week or month

 

I'm a MGTOW, and even I beg to differ on this. I know females who, for whatever reason, do not fit this theory.

 

Knights in Shining Armor believe women have all the power because they willingly give it to them. That's their own fault. As more men find their own way, the balance is beginning to return, but the onus is on the man for exercising what is within his sphere of influence.

[Brigit]

I'm a MGTOW, and even I beg to differ on this. I know females who, for whatever reason, do not fit this theory.

 

Knights in Shining Armor believe women have all the power because they willingly give it to them. That's their own fault. As more men find their own way, the balance is beginning to return, but the onus is on the man for exercising what is within his sphere of influence.

 

Knight in Shining Armor:

 

A Soldiers who helps and protects women.

 

A man, who comes to the aid of another, usually a woman, in a gallant and courteous manner.

 

A man who saves you from a difficult or dangerous situation

 

(Why would a woman want to date a man who isn't a KISA?)

[toolforgrowth]

Knight in Shining Armor:

 

A Soldiers who helps and protects women.

 

A man, who comes to the aid of another, usually a woman, in a gallant and courteous manner.

 

A man who saves you from a difficult or dangerous situation

 

(Why would a woman want to date a man who isn't a KISA?)

 

Women don't need a man's help or protection. You gals can take care of yourselves.

 

KISA men place women's needs and wants above their own, and then wonder why no one cares about their needs. It's almost comic.

 

Women love to marry KISA men, but they certainly don't get any sex afterwards.

[Brigit]

Women don't need a man's help or protection. You gals can take care of yourselves.

 

KISA men place women's needs and wants above their own, and then wonder why no one cares about their needs. It's almost comic.

 

Women love to marry KISA men, but they certainly don't get any sex afterwards.

 

Actually, some women do need a man's help and protection. And maybe some handsome Knights are sex starved but not all. When a man loves and protects you it's very sexually stimulating.

 

Why do you think the guy who wins the fight always gets the girl?

[toolforgrowth]

Actually, some women do need a man's help and protection. And maybe some handsome Knights are sex starved but not all. When a man loves and protects you it's very sexually stimulating.

 

Why do you think the guy who wins the fight always gets the girl?

 

If there's one thing modern feminism has beaten into the collective male psyche, it's that women don't need men for anything. I completely agree with it. Women are adults. Adults can assume responsibility for their own well being and take care of themselves. Your safety is not my responsibility. Your financial security is not my responsibility. Your happiness is not my responsibility. I accept no obligation on behalf of women.

 

Because every KISA man I've ever known, myself included when I was married and behaved as such, had that experience. We base our perceptions upon our experiences...that's all we can do.

[mandymor]

I would have to agree with what she's saying. Anytime I was out on a date, the guy paid for everything and usually made the decisions where to go and such. When it came to how far he was going to get with me, I already had that set in my mind even before dinner came to the table.

[Rejected Rosebud]

If there's one thing modern feminism has beaten into the collective male psyche, it's that women don't need men for anything.

I need men especially one in particular but I like men and would hate the world without men and guess what I am even a feminist!!

I completely agree with it. Women are adults. Adults can assume responsibility for their own well being and take care of themselves.

Did you know that adults who can take care of themselves can still need each other and it can even be healthy? It's true!!

Your safety is not my responsibility. Your financial security is not my responsibility. Your happiness is not my responsibility. I accept no obligation on behalf of women.

that is A-OK by me, but I have a man in my life who does feel responsibility for my well being! It's reciprocal. I guess you haven't experienced anything like this so far in your life and it sounds like it's not likely to happen but JSYK your experience is not exactly universal!!

[lollipopspot]

Yay! I'm in charge of dating!

[Rejected Rosebud]

I would have to agree with what she's saying. Anytime I was out on a date, the guy paid for everything and usually made the decisions where to go and such. When it came to how far he was going to get with me, I already had that set in my mind even before dinner came to the table.

The guy made his own mind up to do those things though. He was "in charge" of that part. If he wanted to have sex with you and you didn't want to thems the breaks right?? Women are in charge of our own bodies. If we feel like having sex then we have sex. What we do with our bodies is up to us. What men do with their bodies (or money or time, same goes for us) is up to them. What's the big problem??? :confused: I understand it would be a personal issue for that guy for a moment but I don't get how it's somehow unbalanced, what I do with my own body and my own sexuality doesn't have anything to do with men in general AT ALL.. EVEN IF HE BOUGHT ME FOOD!!!