thefooloftheyear Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Ouch... I was just curious what would happen if you fused this with some Proust, the biggest "good-for-nothing", you might argue, out of continental Europe. Fingers crossed: I lent to her face, which the gathering dusk made featureless, the mask of my most impassioned dreams of beauty, but read in her eyes as they turned towards me the horror of my own nonentity. Guys who don't earn and aren't "masters" at what they do are nothing but putz's and dickwads...I get tired of all of the women speaking highly of poets and artists....This isn't Fantasyland and the bills still come in whether these guys are sweet or not.. -Marcel Proust Yeah....and maybe their wonderful artists husbands can paint a lovely canvas of 4 Benjamin Franklin's and two Jackson's and send it in to the gas company with the bill when its cold and the heat is on... TFY 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author elaine567 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 i too find intelligence sexy as long as they're not smarter than me And why is that, or was that just a joke? Link to post Share on other sites
candie13 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Ok so what is it...A woman doesn't need to downplay her intelligence, but EQ is the most important thing? We can't have both. My response in bold. there's a lot of tension against "men" in your post. There's no such thing as "them" against us, you're smarter that that. I feel your frustration through your posts... Go running, talk to your gfs, do some box, whatever, just change that state of mind of yours, or you'll scare all people away, men and women. Worst, you won't even be attracting anyone (of quality). It may seem unfair, but you have to do all the hard work. Keeping anger inside you is like drinking the poison and expecting the other person to be in pain... Judging by your last comment you are associating yourself with people who either have really sensitive ego or are plainly under your level. Reconsider your criteria, when you are dating and only see those men that are worth it. I mean, if you want for things to change, you have to bring a change to the equation to begin with. Staying all angry and continuing with the same dating pattern won't make you any happier. just sayin' Link to post Share on other sites
candie13 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 most of the girls i've dated had a master's degree. i too find intelligence sexy as long as they're not smarter than me there's no such thing, alpha, only people braggin' !!! you hot Link to post Share on other sites
DJOkawari Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Ok, really. Then where are these liberated guys who love women who emasculate them??? I don't really see how we got to emasculation. "Oh no she's 'smarter'...I'm less of a man". Lol. Those guys sound like losers to me. If you have to hide a part of your personality on the first date then you're probably dating the wrong person. Edit: most of the girls i've dated had a master's degree. i too find intelligence sexy as long as they're not smarter than me Hehe...fanning the flames. Edited June 3, 2015 by DJOkawari 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Yeah....and maybe their wonderful artists husbands can paint a lovely canvas of 4 Benjamin Franklin's and two Jackson's and send it in to the gas company with the bill when its cold and the heat is on... TFY Are you familiar with the work of David Thorne? 5 Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 And why is that, or was that just a joke? i'm intimidated by women smarter and more successful than me Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't really see how we got to emasculation. "Oh no she's 'smarter'...I'm less of a man". Lol. Those guys sound like losers to me. If you have to hide a part of your personality on the first date then you're probably dating the wrong person. Edit: Hehe...fanning the flames. Thats because it is emasculating to some men. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thats because it is emasculating to some men. And, as DJ pointed out, those would be the ones who'd be a waste of time to be interested in. Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 there's a lot of tension against "men" in your post. There's no such thing as "them" against us, you're smarter that that. I feel your frustration through your posts... Go running, talk to your gfs, do some box, whatever, just change that state of mind of yours, or you'll scare all people away, men and women. Worst, you won't even be attracting anyone (of quality). It may seem unfair, but you have to do all the hard work. Keeping anger inside you is like drinking the poison and expecting the other person to be in pain... Judging by your last comment you are associating yourself with people who either have really sensitive ego or are plainly under your level. Reconsider your criteria, when you are dating and only see those men that are worth it. I mean, if you want for things to change, you have to bring a change to the equation to begin with. Staying all angry and continuing with the same dating pattern won't make you any happier. just sayin' Just keepin it real. I calls em as I sees em. *shrug* It really doesnt matter as much anymore as I rarely date. The scaring men away part hasnt worked, ive actually become quite popular lately. Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 And, as DJ pointed out, those would be the ones who'd be a waste of time to be interested in. Well, 95% of men wont be interested, and thats ok. Link to post Share on other sites
SycamoreCircle Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Are you familiar with the work of David Thorne?Maybe David Thorne is a putz who can't pay his bills, but I bet he can laugh in the face of death. That's a rare quality. Link to post Share on other sites
Male Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thats because it is emasculating to some men. Anyone that doesnt know this must have been under a rock for a very long time. Many men need to feel like they are "the man". They dont like a woman that can match wits with them or even worse outsmart them. If you could be a fly on the wall eavesdropping on almost any group of guys hanging out, sooner or later you will hear the stereotypical comments about "how women are stupid, how they cant drive, how this dumb broad at work said this or did that". I actually prefer smart, independent type women. The ones that dont need a man, but enjoy hanging out with one. The only problem though, is that majority of women that fit that role typically are professional types that arent usually attracted to blue-collar men. They typically date up the ladder, and dating someone like me would be going down a few rungs in their mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PrettyEmily77 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Anyone that doesnt know this must have been under a rock for a very long time. Many men need to feel like they are "the man". They dont like a woman that can match wits with them or even worse outsmart them. If you could be a fly on the wall eavesdropping on almost any group of guys hanging out, sooner or later you will hear the stereotypical comments about "how women are stupid, how they cant drive, how this dumb broad at work said this or did that". I actually prefer smart, independent type women. The ones that dont need a man, but enjoy hanging out with one. The only problem though, is that majority of women that fit that role typically are professional types that arent usually attracted to blue-collar men. They typically date up the ladder, and dating someone like me would be going down a few rungs in their mind. There may be some truth in that, but there are exceptions: my cousin is an architect and her H is a builder. He has his own business that he built up from scratch with a great reputation, he has great conversation, he is a really lovely, secure and seriously good-looking guy who treats her like a princess. So it happens. Link to post Share on other sites
minimariah Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 As somebody who practices divorce law, I can tell you that the women who are hardest hit by divorce (where the man went off with a younger women) are those women who have devoted their lives) are the women who devoted themselves to the business of trying to be a perfect wife and mother. bingo. i learned one thing in life -- you gotta ALWAYS be able to take care of yourself, no matter what. sh*t happens, even with the greatest and the strongest of all loves. & the best way to bounce back is to have a degree & a steady source of income. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
WasOtherWoman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 There may be some truth in that, but there are exceptions: my cousin is an architect and her H is a builder. He has his own business that he built up from scratch with a great reputation, he has great conversation, he is a really lovely, secure and seriously good-looking guy who treats her like a princess. So it happens. The fact that he owns his own business changes the game, I think. I am not so sure this is really an exception. She didn't marry the drywall guy.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
minimariah Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 But for some unknown reason, women feel like a guy isn't worthy if he doesn't make more than she does....Doesn't that fly in the face of all that is supposed to be about feminism and equality of the genders? And so what if the guy made less? for me personally -- it is not about the money. it's about ambition. and usually, ambitious men are rich(er) than most. i'm super ambitious & driven and i need someone who is exactly like me. i don't really care if the man isn't earning as much as i am, as long as he has a wild curiosity & desire to move forward, to progress. but like i said, ambition is usually followed by high earnings. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Are you familiar with the work of David Thorne? That actually reminds me of a local story...(sorry for the off topic discussion) Anyway, we have cameras here that take a picture of your plate and if you run a red light they'll send you a summons in the mail..Well...This guy gets a summons and a picture of his plate going through the light..I dont know how much the fine was, I think it was a hundred bucks...So the guy proceeds to send a photo of a hundred dollar bill to the municipality along with the summons.. The court proceeded to send him a photo of a pair of handcuffs... At least they had a good sense of humor.. TFY 4 Link to post Share on other sites
PrettyEmily77 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 The fact that he owns his own business changes the game, I think. I am not so sure this is really an exception. She didn't marry the drywall guy.... It changes the game for open-minded people who don't care about a formal education. Not for my uncle, for instance, who makes her daughter's life a misery because she chose a guy who left school aged 16. Besides, his own business consists in himself and his brother, so we're not talking CEO of a multi-corporation or anything. She earns much more than he does; neither sees it as a problem and they are the happiest couple I know. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 for me personally -- it is not about the money. it's about ambition. and usually, ambitious men are rich(er) than most. i'm super ambitious & driven and i need someone who is exactly like me. i don't really care if the man isn't earning as much as i am, as long as he has a wild curiosity & desire to move forward, to progress. but like i said, ambition is usually followed by high earnings. What if he happens to be an ambitious xBox player? Does that count? I'm being facetious, but why was it AOK for women to not be so ambitious when they were being provided and dotted upon for eons? Why do guys get held to a higher standard? Aren't we all about equality? I've been making 6 figures since my mid 20's...I own a ton of shyt...What if I placed an ad in OLD that stated "must be good looking. make at least as much as me and have at least as much as I have in the bank".... What do you think the responses from typical women would be?? TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe David Thorne is a putz who can't pay his bills, but I bet he can laugh in the face of death. I'll leave it to the man himself to answer that: As it is more acceptable for men in West Virginia to hold guns than hands, I will assume the term 'shooting me in the face with your .32' is not a euphemism. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
WasOtherWoman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 What if he happens to be an ambitious xBox player? Does that count? I'm being facetious, but why was it AOK for women to not be so ambitious when they were being provided and dotted upon for eons? Why do guys get held to a higher standard? Aren't we all about equality? I've been making 6 figures since my mid 20's...I own a ton of shyt...What if I placed an ad in OLD that stated "must be good looking. make at least as much as me and have at least as much as I have in the bank".... What do you think the responses from typical women would be?? TFY I would think that you were just being sensible 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Guys who don't earn and aren't "masters" at what they do are nothing but putz's and dickwads...I get tired of all of the women speaking highly of poets and artists....This isn't Fantasyland and the bills still come in whether these guys are sweet or not.. How much money does a family really need? Those of us in love with the creative type may not be chasing the big house, fancy cars, etc. They offer other pleasures, far more satisfying 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 What if he happens to be an ambitious xBox player? Does that count? I'm being facetious, but why was it AOK for women to not be so ambitious when they were being provided and dotted upon for eons? Why do guys get held to a higher standard? Aren't we all about equality? I've been making 6 figures since my mid 20's...I own a ton of shyt...What if I placed an ad in OLD that stated "must be good looking. make at least as much as me and have at least as much as I have in the bank".... What do you think the responses from typical women would be?? TFY It wasn't women's choice to be provided for. Until relatively recently we were treated as assets and sent off to arranged marriages with a dowrie, often with very little or no choice. Women didn't start working until the necessity of the 2nd world war brought it on. It's well reported that men had an issue with this new found independence when they came back from the war. A lot of men would still prefer it if women didn't work. You see those posts here all the time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
PrettyEmily77 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'm being facetious, but why was it AOK for women to not be so ambitious when they were being provided and dotted upon for eons? Why do guys get held to a higher standard? Aren't we all about equality? Because for eons, women didn't have the opportunities and choices that both men and women now (almost) do. Guys still get held to their own standards anyway, mostly. Link to post Share on other sites
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