Wife has been having a LTA for 15 years

[Morbius]

You had the OM pinned to the wall (figure of speech) in front of both women and he couldn’t tolerate it. I tell my son that if he’s going to fight a guy don’t do in front of a woman. He’ll fight much harder.

 

 

If it’s any consolation your WW and the OM are discussing paternity and $hitting a brick. They will assume that you don’t know the truth or you would have certainly mentioned it during the altercation. You said its war. They will plan their attack as if you didn’t know.

 

 

You have a nuke in your pocket. Make them show all their cards and see how vicious they get before you reveal it.

 

 

If you can find out if they stay in the same hotel. If they do they’re not considering R very much and it may help you in court. It just looks bad if once discovered the first thing the affair couple does is shack up. It might be worth getting a PI.

 

Exactly what buckeye said, do you have PI watching them?

 

Work should interesting for them if the investigation reveals impropriety and I hope it does.

 

Both you and OBS are in my prayers. Keep stbxw and stbxom off balanced, and expose them for the trash they are.

[aliveagain]

My guess is they are talking about what their new world is about to look like. Their employer now knows so they need to plan for the worst, they need to get their stories strait maybe even delete some files and cover up past expenses that the company is more than likely going to review with the intensity of an autopsy. The entire company is now talking about them so they are making plans on how to survive that without one or both of them loosing their prestigious positions. As greedy POS's they are calculating what their 15 year fu*kfest is going to do to their lifestyle and finances and lastly what they do about the children.

 

They now realize that the two of you are as good at deception as they are. They just realized that the two of you have know for some time and the amazing weekend you just all had was had with the knowledge of their secret life together. They are talking about whether to expose the truth about your daughters and what their chances are of taking them from you. They are talking to the best lawyer they can afford Fu*k em.

 

Start living your life without her. Be prepared for some serious begging when she comes back because she will now know how much this is going to cost her. Have the spare room ready for her, maybe even bring her suitcases up from storage for her, cancel all joint accounts immediately.

[understand50]

Interesting that your WW chose to leave town with OM rather than attend to her children. Ditto for him.

 

 

In any case, let them do what they will. Proceed with what is in your best interests.

 

 

Take care of your kids.

 

You have one task, Keep your kids safe, and whole.

 

Good luck, and I hope for the best for you.

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Edited June 15, 2015 by understand50

[Morro72]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that WW + OM will move right into their alternate location and skip the guest room step entirely. That way they can spend 24/7 planning their future, without exposing themselves to spousal scrutiny.

[Bigdaddyt]

The WW spouses world will now change for the worst and now their relationship will have stress that it didn't have before. LD stay strong and take care of yourself and your family. Fight the good fight.

[66Charger]

As bad as this might sound, I am really glad you were able to punch him in the face.

[LoveMachine67]

Sorry for not being able to post before, but I don't come empty handed folks. For now this is the update only, I will reply later to any previous posts that this update doesn't answer. I also apologize if the post is too long, I just want to give as much detail as possible unlike some of my previous posts.

 

Firstly I would like to mention the building layout of their workplace so that you can all have a better idea of everything. It's a 16 story building, OM and WW's offices are both on the 14th floor, isolated from the rest of their subordinates, including their assistants, but their offices are right next to each other though. All the times i've been there i've never found out what's on the 15th floor, but their boss (owner of company) has the the entire 16th floor to himself. So obviously by now you should all know that WW and OM are very high up in their company.

I showed up first to their workplace with flowers for my WW, I told my WWs assistant that I was there to "thank my wife for the helping me on the weekend", to which he said it was sweet of me and gave me the green light to go in my WWs office. I went into my WWs office and she was on the phone, she saw me with the flowers and smiled at me, she signaled to me with her hand that she won't be long and I sat down.

 

While WW was still on the phone, OBS came in to "drop off something her husband forgot", fortunately no flags were raised as both WW and I saw OBS walk past WWs office into OMs office. WW eventually got off the phone, we talked for approx 15min and then finally two processors came to serve both OM and WW at the same time. Obviously the atmosphere changed quickly to a very quiet one on that floor.

 

When the processors showed up I instructed WW to go into the conference room they have on that floor, as did OBS to her WH. As we walked into the conference room I saw how tense everything was, their subordinates looked so uncomfortable. Now we were all in the conference room and we both spilled the beans on them. We both had our VAR's on us btw. We calmly told them that we know of their affair and we wish to divorce amicably. They both just sat there shocked beyond belief, dumbfounded by what was going on, i'll be honest this was very satisfying. Anyway OBS and I did all the talking, very calmly explained to them that there is no possible chance of R for either of them. OM eventualy opened his mouth, asked us how long we have known for and how we found out, and OBS said to him that's not important. That pissed them both off so much, I saw it in their eyes. We told them that was all we had to say, that they could resume their jobs, nothing mentioned about the kids on both sides.

 

On our way out we asked both their assistants if they knew that they were having an affair, to which they were shocked and denied knowing anything. To be fair I don't suspect anyone in that company knew anything, from my past observations OM and WW keep a very professional demeanour in front of others at all times, this affair was hidden very well from everyone. After that, OBS and I went up to the 16th floor. After some pleasantries, I briefly explained to the boss that his subordinates were carrying on an affair for 15 years in his workplace. He awkwardly stood there and couldn't say anything. I quickly ended the awkward silence by mentioning to him that OBS and I had investigated our family financials, that we both found nothing connected to the affair. I told him to investigate them incase they were using company money to fund their affair. He said they would look into it right away and apologized to us for not knowing anything. I told him not to feel bad and assured him that nobody else had a clue either.

 

On our way down we bumped into OM and OBS as they were leaving the building also. I remember thinking that this is going to be the longest most awkward elevator ride I will ever have, and sure enough it was. WW said to us that her and OM were leaving town for a short time to "sort things out", and OM asked us not to mention anything to the kids and our families until they get back. I refused, I told them that we were going to tell the kids and our families today.

 

I wish that what happened next never happened but what's done is done now... WW started bawling her eyes out begging me not to say anything to my family. I got furious instantly and finally snapped. I raised my voice at her said a whole bunch of nasty things at her including that she was a selfish whore. OM got furious at me and told me to calm down, then OBS got furious at OM that he was defending WW. I got so angry at OM and told him to get his hands off me as he had put his hand on my shoulder. WW pushed the emergency stop on the elevator and we stopped.

 

Everyone just stood quietly for a second in shock and I asked WW why she pushed the emergency stop. She said that it was a good time to "talk things out". OBS made it clear to OM and WW that she was not interested in talking anything out. I asked WW what it is that they need to leave town for to sort out, and OM quickly answered in the most annoying smart arse way possible "that's not important" with a smirk on his face. I don't know what consumed me to punch him but it felt so good when my fist connected with his face. I regret it now of course.

 

OM fell to the floor when I punched him, and as WW got down to embrace/caress him, OBS started crying while looking at them. There was no sign of remorse at all in any of their eyes, they couldn't even look OBS and I in our eyes. It was a bizzare 10 minutes while stuck in that elevator because after my WW pushed the emergency stop button, a technitian was on the intercom asking what is the problem if we are safe and no one answered him during this entire time. He heard everything and after we all finished arguing he said he wishes us the best in resolving our issues and that he was resetting the elevator, then we were going down again to the ground floor.

We all hurried out when the elevator was opened at the ground floor and on our way out I asked WW what I should tell the kids in regards to her whereabouts, then OM said they will deal with the kids by themselves about that. I got furious again that now he was answering for my wife? and he mumbled something quietly, i'm almost certain I heard him say "she was never yours". I didn't want to cause any more problems for myself in the future so I let it go, didn't even ask him to repeat himself, but deep down inside I was fuming so much!!! I was ready to beat the living **** out of him.

 

They left the car park in OMs car and left WWs car there. OBS and I decided to go to lunch to discuss what had just happened before we had to pick the kids up at their schools. On the way there in my car I absolutely lost it, the way I cried I honestly would have put a newborn to shame. When OBS and I got out of our cars in the restaurant carpark, I could see she had been crying as well. We just looked at each other and before I knew it we both started bawling our eyes out. As you would know from before, i'm not the type to cry easily, but I was overwhelmed with so many negative emotions that I couldn't control myself. OBS and I ended up holding each other, for a long time actually, it helped a lot. I don't know how either of us would have handled seperate confrontations without each other, just like WW and OM had "each other", makes me sick to my stomach!

 

Honestly LS i'm not going to be the calm guy anymore. I am hurt beyond words that are not invented yet could ever describe. The disrespect and arrogance that OM and WW showed proved to me that we are actually not dealing with normal human beings here. This will NOT be an amicable divorce, in my point of view they have waged war. I will always have my kids best interests at heart, but those suggesting I "take the high road" have no idea what i'm going through right now.

 

I will not bend over and let them get away with this scot-free after that filth they just pulled on OBS and I, especially that scumbag OM. He is a dead man walking now, funny thing is I may have to be the one to protect him from my younger brothers/cousins who are in a very dangerous gang that even the police are afraid of. They will absolutely not tolerate this disrespect to one of their family members. I do want him to pay for what he did but I fear for his life a little, just for the record death isn't something I wish on either of them. Not sure what will happen to WW, but it sure explains why she begged me not to say anything to my family and why they left town so quickly. They know as soon as my family find out, they will face very very heavy consequences. Even I do not have any say in anything the gang will do to them, unless of course I wanted to R with WW in which case she would likely face a lesser consequence.

 

Unfortunately this is all I have time for to write atm, I will finish off the rest of the update later as there is much more to update. In the meantime pray for OBS and I, LS. We are not doing well at all and things are spiraling out of control now that the confrontation has happened. Again, thank you for your support it means everything to me. Much love.

 

p.s i'm of latin descent, born in Australia, relocated to my parents birth country after uni in Australia so I consider myself Aussie too.

 

 

Wow, OP this was all so well planned and executed! Couldn't have turned out more perfectly!

 

Kudos you and the OBS!

[merrmeade]

This is to everyone: I am still taking a sabbatical on posting advice to OP but feel compelled to underscore for everyone the cultural ramifications in this story, which OP alluded to:

Honestly LS i'm not going to be the calm guy anymore. I am hurt beyond words that are not invented yet could ever describe. The disrespect and arrogance that OM and WW showed proved to me that we are actually not dealing with normal human beings here. This will NOT be an amicable divorce, in my point of view they have waged war. I will always have my kids best interests at heart, but those suggesting I "take the high road" have no idea what i'm going through right now.

 

I will not bend over and let them get away with this scot-free after that filth they just pulled on OBS and I, especially that scumbag OM. He is a dead man walking now, funny thing is I may have to be the one to protect him from my younger brothers/cousins who are in a very dangerous gang that even the police are afraid of. They will absolutely not tolerate this disrespect to one of their family members. I do want him to pay for what he did but I fear for his life a little, just for the record death isn't something I wish on either of them. Not sure what will happen to WW, but it sure explains why she begged me not to say anything to my family and why they left town so quickly. They know as soon as my family find out, they will face very very heavy consequences. Even I do not have any say in anything the gang will do to them, unless of course I wanted to R with WW in which case she would likely face a lesser consequence.

 

p.s i'm of latin descent, born in Australia, relocated to my parents birth country after uni in Australia so I consider myself Aussie too.

Here's some relevant data to consider probabilities:

• Brazil, Chile, El Salvador and Argentina comprise the largest groups of Latin American immigrants, followed by Uruguay, Peru, Colombia, and Ecuador.
  
• Organized crime/gangs are the big in Brazil, El Salvador, and Colombia, not in Chile or Argentina, just starting in Uruguay.

 

I would submit that OP's new information propels this story well outside of the realm of most posters' frame of reference.

 

Back to the sidelines.

[Morbius]

Will the 15 years of betrayal lead to violence?

LD has intimated as much. It sounds like both cheaters will pay a hefty price.

 

OM may have sealed his fate with this comment:

 

he mumbled something quietly, i'm almost certain I heard him say "she was never yours". I didn't want to cause any more problems for myself in the future so I let it go

 

LD let it go for now. I think OM and WW should be very afraid for their physical well being.

Edited June 16, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[SoulStorm]

Will the 15 years of betrayal lead to violence?

LD has intimated as much. It sounds like both cheaters will pay a hefty price.

 

OM may have sealed his fate with this comment:

 

 

 

LD let it go for now. I think OM and WW should be very afraid for their physical well being.

 

 

Yeah, this is not said with sarcasm, there could be two less people on this planet very soon.

Edited June 16, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[Zigoto2]

Wow! Beautifully handled! I'm impressed!

 

Now take care of yourself and those three beautiful children of yours. It's still a long road ahead.

[81West]

It is so good that you were able to cry. This is a situation built for big, soggy, manly tears by the bucketfull. It is hard to identify the cruellest element here but one certainly has to be that you were happy in your marriage. Blissful you said. And you've been forced out of your happy life. Given absolutely no real choice but to implode it. They did all the damage but it is you and OBS that are forced to fully face this imposed reality and make the excruciating decisions for you, and for your children. It's a surreal level of selfishness. But you know what? You have two beautiful daughters you wouldn't have if these two had an ounce of courage or integrity. In a way, karma has already been at it for years.

 

Hang in there, LD. Next chapter starts now. We all wish you patience, wisdom and luck.

[Morbius]

Yeah, this is not said with sarcasm, there could be two less people on this planet very soon.

 

No, it wasn't sarcasm SoulStorm, and that is scary. The OM and WW literally cuckolded LD, emasculated him and during D-Day the OM rubbed LD's nose in it. Potentially the worst thing to do is to anger an already very angry and emotional betrayed husband with connections.

 

It is always wrong to cheat, to become the OM or OW and potentially destroy another's marriage for emotional and/or physical gratification. The word selfish comes to mind. How many posts and threads reflect this after the affair is exposed.

 

Consequences follow, and life goes on whether apart or together.

 

In this situation, you may be right SS...

[81West]

Truth is often stranger than fiction. Legion fathers are unknowingly raising other men's children in this world. Many affairs go undiscovered for years. Shania Twain married the husband of her best friend after that friend had an affair with Shania's husband. They grew close supporting each other through their shared experience of infidelity. Co-workers have affairs all the time. In my department of 13 there were THREE affairs going on at one time several years ago.

Edited June 16, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[beach]

What's that saying? Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

 

Personally, I wouldn't have gotten into the elevator with them. People do odd things when emotions run high.

 

 

I actually thought his wife would have gone with him - home- to talk privately about it. But this shows where her alliance is.

 

The whole thing is terrible.

 

Please look out for your kids. And yes, expose to family. Odd that this was her main worry when served.

[Darth Vader]

<<<<Lifedestroyed>>>> Man hugs, you did well. The fact that O/M slipped and fell into your fist as you reached out to catch him is your word and the other betrayed spouse's word against the word of a couple of cheaters and liars. Take care of your children, they will need it the most.

 

 

The tech who heard everything, he was on break I'm sure! He couldn't know what happened either! BTW, it must have felt GREAT hitting that POS,SOB!

[66Charger]

OP, they are not coming back. They have always been together, they left together, they will be together. There is no war here. Its all legal now.

 

Accept your reality. There is no need to shed another tear. Shut this down and move on..today.

 

As for anyone who thinks this is fake, it crossed my mind to, but I have read some messed up stories on LS and some of them are from people who posted here today. There is so much arrogance, selfishness and delusion that accompanies cheaterthink. Some can justify anything.

 

For me, this story is over, except for prayers for the young and undeserving of this continuing nightmare.

 

Take care brother. Take care of your daughters.

[Darth Vader]

Sorry for not being able to post before, but I don't come empty handed folks. For now this is the update only, I will reply later to any previous posts that this update doesn't answer. I also apologize if the post is too long, I just want to give as much detail as possible unlike some of my previous posts.

 

Firstly I would like to mention the building layout of their workplace so that you can all have a better idea of everything. It's a 16 story building, OM and WW's offices are both on the 14th floor, isolated from the rest of their subordinates, including their assistants, but their offices are right next to each other though. All the times i've been there i've never found out what's on the 15th floor, but their boss (owner of company) has the the entire 16th floor to himself. So obviously by now you should all know that WW and OM are very high up in their company.

 

I showed up first to their workplace with flowers for my WW, I told my WWs assistant that I was there to "thank my wife for the helping me on the weekend", to which he said it was sweet of me and gave me the green light to go in my WWs office. I went into my WWs office and she was on the phone, she saw me with the flowers and smiled at me, she signaled to me with her hand that she won't be long and I sat down.

 

While WW was still on the phone, OBS came in to "drop off something her husband forgot", fortunately no flags were raised as both WW and I saw OBS walk past WWs office into OMs office. WW eventually got off the phone, we talked for approx 15min and then finally two processors came to serve both OM and WW at the same time. Obviously the atmosphere changed quickly to a very quiet one on that floor.

 

When the processors showed up I instructed WW to go into the conference room they have on that floor, as did OBS to her WH. As we walked into the conference room I saw how tense everything was, their subordinates looked so uncomfortable. Now we were all in the conference room and we both spilled the beans on them. We both had our VAR's on us btw. We calmly told them that we know of their affair and we wish to divorce amicably. They both just sat there shocked beyond belief, dumbfounded by what was going on, i'll be honest this was very satisfying. Anyway OBS and I did all the talking, very calmly explained to them that there is no possible chance of R for either of them. OM eventualy opened his mouth, asked us how long we have known for and how we found out, and OBS said to him that's not important. That pissed them both off so much, I saw it in their eyes. We told them that was all we had to say, that they could resume their jobs, nothing mentioned about the kids on both sides.

 

On our way out we asked both their assistants if they knew that they were having an affair, to which they were shocked and denied knowing anything. To be fair I don't suspect anyone in that company knew anything, from my past observations OM and WW keep a very professional demeanour in front of others at all times, this affair was hidden very well from everyone. After that, OBS and I went up to the 16th floor. After some pleasantries, I briefly explained to the boss that his subordinates were carrying on an affair for 15 years in his workplace. He awkwardly stood there and couldn't say anything. I quickly ended the awkward silence by mentioning to him that OBS and I had investigated our family financials, that we both found nothing connected to the affair. I told him to investigate them incase they were using company money to fund their affair. He said they would look into it right away and apologized to us for not knowing anything. I told him not to feel bad and assured him that nobody else had a clue either.

 

On our way down we bumped into OM and OBS as they were leaving the building also. I remember thinking that this is going to be the longest most awkward elevator ride I will ever have, and sure enough it was. WW said to us that her and OM were leaving town for a short time to "sort things out", and OM asked us not to mention anything to the kids and our families until they get back. I refused, I told them that we were going to tell the kids and our families today.

 

I wish that what happened next never happened but what's done is done now... WW started bawling her eyes out begging me not to say anything to my family. I got furious instantly and finally snapped. I raised my voice at her said a whole bunch of nasty things at her including that she was a selfish whore. OM got furious at me and told me to calm down, then OBS got furious at OM that he was defending WW. I got so angry at OM and told him to get his hands off me as he had put his hand on my shoulder. WW pushed the emergency stop on the elevator and we stopped.

 

Everyone just stood quietly for a second in shock and I asked WW why she pushed the emergency stop. She said that it was a good time to "talk things out". OBS made it clear to OM and WW that she was not interested in talking anything out. I asked WW what it is that they need to leave town for to sort out, and OM quickly answered in the most annoying smart arse way possible "that's not important" with a smirk on his face. I don't know what consumed me to punch him but it felt so good when my fist connected with his face. I regret it now of course.

 

OM fell to the floor when I punched him, and as WW got down to embrace/caress him, OBS started crying while looking at them. There was no sign of remorse at all in any of their eyes, they couldn't even look OBS and I in our eyes. It was a bizzare 10 minutes while stuck in that elevator because after my WW pushed the emergency stop button, a technitian was on the intercom asking what is the problem if we are safe and no one answered him during this entire time. He heard everything and after we all finished arguing he said he wishes us the best in resolving our issues and that he was resetting the elevator, then we were going down again to the ground floor.

 

We all hurried out when the elevator was opened at the ground floor and on our way out I asked WW what I should tell the kids in regards to her whereabouts, then OM said they will deal with the kids by themselves about that. I got furious again that now he was answering for my wife? and he mumbled something quietly, i'm almost certain I heard him say "she was never yours". I didn't want to cause any more problems for myself in the future so I let it go, didn't even ask him to repeat himself, but deep down inside I was fuming so much!!! I was ready to beat the living **** out of him.

 

They left the car park in OMs car and left WWs car there. OBS and I decided to go to lunch to discuss what had just happened before we had to pick the kids up at their schools. On the way there in my car I absolutely lost it, the way I cried I honestly would have put a newborn to shame. When OBS and I got out of our cars in the restaurant carpark, I could see she had been crying as well. We just looked at each other and before I knew it we both started bawling our eyes out. As you would know from before, i'm not the type to cry easily, but I was overwhelmed with so many negative emotions that I couldn't control myself. OBS and I ended up holding each other, for a long time actually, it helped a lot. I don't know how either of us would have handled seperate confrontations without each other, just like WW and OM had "each other", makes me sick to my stomach!

 

Honestly LS i'm not going to be the calm guy anymore. I am hurt beyond words that are not invented yet could ever describe. The disrespect and arrogance that OM and WW showed proved to me that we are actually not dealing with normal human beings here. This will NOT be an amicable divorce, in my point of view they have waged war. I will always have my kids best interests at heart, but those suggesting I "take the high road" have no idea what i'm going through right now.

 

I will not bend over and let them get away with this scot-free after that filth they just pulled on OBS and I, especially that scumbag OM. He is a dead man walking now, funny thing is I may have to be the one to protect him from my younger brothers/cousins who are in a very dangerous gang that even the police are afraid of. They will absolutely not tolerate this disrespect to one of their family members. I do want him to pay for what he did but I fear for his life a little, just for the record death isn't something I wish on either of them. Not sure what will happen to WW, but it sure explains why she begged me not to say anything to my family and why they left town so quickly. They know as soon as my family find out, they will face very very heavy consequences. Even I do not have any say in anything the gang will do to them, unless of course I wanted to R with WW in which case she would likely face a lesser consequence.

 

Unfortunately this is all I have time for to write atm, I will finish off the rest of the update later as there is much more to update. In the meantime pray for OBS and I, LS. We are not doing well at all and things are spiraling out of control now that the confrontation has happened. Again, thank you for your support it means everything to me. Much love.

 

p.s i'm of latin descent, born in Australia, relocated to my parents birth country after uni in Australia so I consider myself Aussie too.

 

 

What can I say......

 

GO NUCLEAR ON THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Take no prisoners!

[No Limit]

Now who is adding to the Drama? The OP only said OM allegedly asked after his girls. We have no idea how the kids came about.

 

You think a couple of unfaithful spouses who deceived most likely everyone they know (since not even the co-workers had a clue, and judging by WWs reaction the family didn't either) and had their affair planned out to be long-term have accidental pregnancies? The 1st one maybe, but no doubt that the second one was planned.

[Noirek]

You think a couple of unfaithful spouses who deceived most likely everyone they know (since not even the co-workers had a clue, and judging by WWs reaction the family didn't either) and had their affair planned out to be long-term have accidental pregnancies? The 1st one maybe, but no doubt that the second one was planned.

 

Just speculation. It was also probably planned to have only girls as we know boys tend to show paternal resemblance.

 

Anybody who planned this much of a betrayal out would have a plan for when it failed. Long term affair partners do. I know everyone wants to think cheaters are dumb or too arrogent to think they could get caught. Some might be and get caught early. But two seperate spouses who managed to decieve both their partners for 15 years? They would have a plan.

[lifedestroyed]

It took a lot of time for me to write that last update. There has been some great advice on this forum board and I appreciate everyone of your contributions those of you who have been sincere, you helped me more than I could ever repay you. Thank you all.

 

Edit: Latin America

[66Charger]

You know there are parts of Latin America where this type of thing is a serious breach.

Depending on where he is from, specificaly, could determine if dead man walking could be accurate. I dont see the point of keeping this thread open.

[sandylee1]

It took a lot of time for me to write that last update. There has been some great advice on this forum board and I appreciate everyone of your contributions those of you who have been sincere, you helped me more than I could ever repay you. Thank you all.

 

Edit: Latin America

 

LD

 

You and OBS handled it extremely well. It's expected that you would break down, with the enormity of it all sinking in. Those two absolutely have no morals and that's putting it mildly.

 

I'm just hoping the lift didn't have any cameras in it.

 

Take care of yourself and the kids.

[No Limit]

Just speculation. It was also probably planned to have only girls as we know boys tend to show paternal resemblance.

 

Anybody who planned this much of a betrayal out would have a plan for when it failed. Long term affair partners do. I know everyone wants to think cheaters are dumb or too arrogent to think they could get caught. Some might be and get caught early. But two seperate spouses who managed to decieve both their partners for 15 years? They would have a plan.

 

They'd have to use assisted reproductive technologies to determine what gender the children become. You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

Yeah, they planned it out so well that the first thing they did was to flee out of town.

[elaine567]

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Yeah, they planned it out so well that the first thing they did was to flee out of town.

 

He said they left in the OMs car, nowhere did it say they fled out of town.