Do modern women reject men too often?

[minime13]

Well I do not date men so I do not care what makes them a loser but this sums it all up.

 

21 Men Identify The Red Flags They Use To Determine If A Woman Is A “Loser”

 

21 Men Identify The Red Flags They Use To Determine If A Woman Is A ?Loser? | Thought Catalog

 

my top 5 in no order.

 

I know a girl that can only go 1-3 months between boyfriends. She doesn’t know how to be independent and self-sustaining, both mentally and physically.

 

Girls with multiple baby daddies

 

A general lack of self-awareness, or just an inability to recognize that their actions have consequences.

 

Proclaiming how much she gets along with her “friends” while tearing them down behind their backs.

 

Wondering why they feel like **** all the time when their diet consists of mostly Cliff bars, flavored vodka, and Vitamin Water.

 

 

Note that those are not age-related characteristics. Your first distinction was swearing off all women past a certain age. That's just wrong, buddy.

[minime13]

Well magic mike is about sex and guys in great shape.

 

Yea I know that Harlequin romance novels are a hit with woman , but 50 sades of grey made it big time.

 

Yes you missed the point it is ok if you did not get it .

 

And the movie was a big disappointment because it was all about parading a woman around naked.

 

You're missing the point. I don't need a man to explain to me what women want. Thanks, though.

[Krieger]

Note that those are not age-related characteristics. Your first distinction was swearing off all women past a certain age. That's just wrong, buddy.

 

um...................... never said to not date a woman past a curtain age just said took her past and dating patterns.

 

Also young woman (18-25) get a pass because they are young and do not know any better most of the time.

[minime13]

um...................... never said to not date a woman past a curtain age just said took her past and dating patterns.

 

Also young woman (18-25) get a pass because they are young and do not know any better most of the time.

 

Oops...sorry, I misread your original post.

 

Some people never learn, you're right.

[Krieger]

So answer me this. Why do you think these men are being rejected over and over again? Because I can tell who's fault it isn't. The women they're approaching.

 

 

Some of the times it is I know a guy that goes after woman he will never get not say it the woman it just that they have more to bring to the table than he does.

[Krieger]

Oops...sorry, I misread your original post.

 

Some people never learn, you're right.

 

 

It is all good.

[neowulf]

your a ****ing idiot. wish would would get to experience being alone even for a year.

 

Sorry you feel that way. By all means, continue with your current attitude and approach. Seems to be working wonders for you.

[neowulf]

Some of the times it is I know a guy that goes after woman he will never get not say it the woman it just that they have more to bring to the table than he does.

 

It is never a woman's "fault" for not wanting a relationship with a man. It doesn't matter if she's 200kg over weight, with 12 kids and facial hair. Just because a man desires her doesn't mean she's *required* to like him back.

 

It's call a preference, and they're entitled to them. They do not owe a man a relationship. Period.

 

The fact this concept is lost on so many people just does my head in.

 

I get that people are lonely. It's when they allow that loneliness to warp their sense of reality that it gets nuts.

[Krieger]

its always the man's fault. or do you just want to destroy your competition?

 

The last time I checked man ask woman out , men ask woman to marry them not the other way around. women want to think that they are "it." They want to feel like they were desired more than anybody else in the world by the man, and that makes them feel super special. There is evidence of this--women's desire for elaborate weddings, diamond rings that they deserve because, well, because they're worth it.

 

Why are men supposed to ask the women for marriage? Why not the other way around?

 

Short answer: evolution.

 

Longish answer: women bear babies.

So nature made it this way that they need to be wooed. They get to choose a mate that appears best capable of giving her strong, healthy babies that ensure the species continues.

 

That is why the male of the species often have more colorful plumage (like peacocks) or larger manes (like lions) etc. They fight for the female's attentions. Literally in some cases. Using devices such as bird calls in some cases.

This is exhibited in humans as well.

Men woo women. The penultimate step in this mating ritual is a proposal, the ultimate being marriage itself.

[Krieger]

yeah working wonders for me

 

 

How old are you ? It looks like you got some learning to do about woman. Dont feel to bad we all had to at some point.

[harkkam]

Yeah...

 

The thing is man no matter how unfair it is or isn't it won't matter. So I realized that I have to accept the way it just is.

 

Just like a pull-up, it's hard for some people and for some people it isn't. But thinking about how tough it is wont make the pull-up any less harder for you.

 

All you can do is make your muscles stronger.

 

The real question is if relationships/women are even worth the effort. Every person wants love, loyalty and attraction and humor. You open your heart and trust and then it ends.

 

If 50% of marriages end in divorce, then the number of relationships that end are probably going to be even higher than that.

 

So in the end you break your back to get strong so you can do pull-ups then you realize that a pull-up wasn't even worth all that effort.

 

One thing is for sure, if you want dates, you'll have to put in work to make yourself attractive.

 

But a nice relationship the end goal of attracting a woman is statistically not going to give you what you want.

 

It is what it is unfortunately.

 

One of the best things to do is go out with your guy friends to a bar and play a numbers game and see if you can rack up 10 rejections. So instead of looking for acceptances you are looking to get shut down. Makes it a lot easier to not put one woman on a pedestal and just treat the other person as a number.

 

If she is going to reject you because you have the wrong color shirt on, who cares because you're talking to the next girl who likes your shirt color.

 

It's just a numbers game now, nobody is more special than the next woman. And good looks doesn't make a man or woman better.

 

A person with good facial genes are born that way. A good body however shows effort and dedication

 

A chiseled jaw or large boobs doesn't make her any more worth or special because they didn't do anything for it

 

The best thing a man can do is take women off the pedestal and when meeting her or approaching her don't turn her into some special mythical being but just another number. Only after a few dates and her attention and attraction she becomes more important

 

Like this one time I was at this bar and his woman I approached she seemed kind of hesitant but kept a mediocre conversation. Then she introduces me to her friend since her friend walks over. She starts talking to her friend for like thirty seconds and I'm just standing looking at her mid conversation with her back turned to me. I just said well hell with her I'm not going to wait around for you. I just walked right off and two minutes later I was talking to another woman and got her number and we danced.

 

Just another number bro

Edited June 19, 2015 by harkkam

[ZA Dater]

And? If a girl with plenty to offer has many options in dating, why should she date some guy with very little to offer?

 

I had options before I got with my GF. I decided none of those other women had what I was looking for.

 

If you can better yourself, your options tend to improve.

 

With hard work, in about 6 months most guys could improve themselves physically quite a bit. I have a friend of mine coming to the gym with me now, and he has been slacking off, but still has been getting more dates than he did before I talked him into working out. Instead of just complaining about his dating woes, he is doing something about it. People respect that.

 

Here I think lies most of the truth. its all about what one has to offer and you can like this to simply plain marketing, take two identical products, one has a great packaging and the other doesn't, obviously the one with the great packaging will sell better.

 

Sad reality is dating is not about who you are, not about your personality its simply about how you look and what you can offer.

 

I don't really see what going to gym has in common with doing something about your dating woes unless you are merely confirming what I stated above that its all about looks and nothing else.

 

Great post though as it raises some interesting thoughts.

[harkkam]

That is why it is great to be a white male in America. Dating for us is easy we can pick from Asian , Mexican, East African , India, south America , and middle eastern (hey some are hot IMO) woman.

 

I do feel bad for non white males you just do not have the options I have . I cant tell you the things non white woman tell me in why she will only date out her race if the guy is white.

 

I just wish some white woman would stop hating on white male and Asian female couples.

 

Yeah I'm a non white male in America and the reason white males have all these options has to do with social status hierarchy.

 

White males are seen as the top and social status is very important to women because they compete with other women to get the best man.

 

If society says white man = best naturally then they will have more options.

 

But I'm not going to complain because it doesn't do me any good.

 

All I can do is out compete white men. If they are shy then I will be aggressive, if they are out of shape I will have a six pack. If they have a regular job then I will make more and succeed.

 

I will not let the color of my skin stop me from being the best I can be and to get the best I can get

[ZA Dater]

What, exactly, are these guys who complain so much doing to become more attractive to women?

 

So guys who complain.. what are you doing, specifically, to turn yourself into a man women want?

 

I fundamentally disagree with all of the above and here is why.

 

How do you make yourself attractive if you have no idea what women want?

How do you improve yourself if women don't tell you why they don't find your attractive (By the way this is a two way street)

 

Realistically one cannot change ones face, ones voice so those things cannot be realistically changed, nor can one change ones expressions.

 

I have absolutely no idea what women want, I thought it was a nice guy who wasn't the size of the Titanic and was athletic but clearly I am wrong. Thus if I have no idea what they want and why they find me unattractive I have absolutely NO idea how to improve.

 

The question is, barring going to the gym how do guys actually improve, find a ton of superficial friends? Be interested in things they aren't interested in for the sake of attracting a female? Being totally false? Pretending to like things because, well maybe she likes them?

 

How far do you go with this before you actually just loose your own identity?

[harkkam]

I fundamentally disagree with all of the above and here is why.

 

How do you make yourself attractive if you have no idea what women want?

How do you improve yourself if women don't tell you why they don't find your attractive (By the way this is a two way street)

 

Realistically one cannot change ones face, ones voice so those things cannot be realistically changed, nor can one change ones expressions.

 

I have absolutely no idea what women want, I thought it was a nice guy who wasn't the size of the Titanic and was athletic but clearly I am wrong. Thus if I have no idea what they want and why they find me unattractive I have absolutely NO idea how to improve.

 

The question is, barring going to the gym how do guys actually improve, find a ton of superficial friends? Be interested in things they aren't interested in for the sake of attracting a female? Being totally false? Pretending to like things because, well maybe she likes them?

 

How far do you go with this before you actually just loose your own identity?

 

Best way is to take them off a pedestal and say whatever you feel like saying. I have removed my verbal filter.

 

Like if she talks about something boring I will change the subject because I'm not going to pretend I like something when I don't.

 

If something pops into my head I say it most of the time unless it's really out there.

 

Like I was at the gym and this girl told me I should put chalk on my hands,I looked at it and said "oh this looks like my favorite weekend recreational activity"

 

I don't care if she thinks I'm stupid for saying that, if she laughs then fine that's good if not then whatever.

 

I think it's because I don't care if she likes me or not

[ZA Dater]

Dating has a lot in common with marketing. Consider your target audience. In marketing, this is one of the most important things a company must keep in mind. Compare the differences between a commercial for Mercedes, and one for KIA. If you, as a man, are trying to date women that prefer a guy with a certain look and personality, and you don't have that, you are probably out of luck. If you keep trying to hit on that same target demographic, you will continue to see failure. However, even though KIA does not compare to a Mercedes, people still buy them.

 

 

 

You are looking at it all wrong. Personality and who you are has a lot to do with dating.

 

Most of my dates end up with me because of those things, not my looks. I'm not that guy that a woman stares at from across the room and just wants to be with me immediately. I am the guy that, after talking to me, spending a little time with me, ect, she starts to really get into me.

 

 

 

Going to the gym and working out has a lot to do with dating. It's the first thing I recommend to men and women both who are running into issues. Let's face it, looks do matter. If the thought of having sex with someone makes you feel nauseous, you won't wanna date them. Going to the gym can help with that. Not to mention you start to feel better, and feeling better helps attracting women.

 

I think for many, myself included we have no idea where our target market is, in all the years I tried I got it partially right once, in the sense the personality worked but she had a very different personality to most.

 

Its extremely tough to find what ones target market is.

 

I am quite fit and to be honest its never really helped me much, guess my personality is at fault lol!

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

The last time I checked man ask woman out , men ask woman to marry them not the other way around. women want to think that they are "it." They want to feel like they were desired more than anybody else in the world by the man, and that makes them feel super special. There is evidence of this--women's desire for elaborate weddings, diamond rings that they deserve because, well, because they're worth it.

 

Why are men supposed to ask the women for marriage? Why not the other way around?

 

Short answer: evolution.

 

Longish answer: women bear babies.

So nature made it this way that they need to be wooed. They get to choose a mate that appears best capable of giving her strong, healthy babies that ensure the species continues.

 

That is why the male of the species often have more colorful plumage (like peacocks) or larger manes (like lions) etc. They fight for the female's attentions. Literally in some cases. Using devices such as bird calls in some cases.

This is exhibited in humans as well.

Men woo women. The penultimate step in this mating ritual is a proposal, the ultimate being marriage itself.

its almost like women are the only sex that are actually entitled, owed dates and relationships, not the other way around, men have to "earn" more things in life than women do, there are times I hate having a penis.

[Krieger]

its almost like women are the only sex that are actually entitled, owed dates and relationships, not the other way around, men have to "earn" more things in life than women do, there are times I hate having a penis.

 

 

Hate to say it but men and woman will never be equals no matter how hard woman try to be equal to men. We are too different and both bring things to the table . Woman do some things better than men and men do some things better than woman.

 

We can have equal rights and all but we never be equal overall.

[minime13]

its almost like women are the only sex that are actually entitled, owed dates and relationships, not the other way around, men have to "earn" more things in life than women do, there are times I hate having a penis.

 

I'm sorry, but what?

 

Can you expand a little further on that?

[loveweary11]

That's your fault.

 

Not that every one of us wasn't where you are right now, but it's your job, as an up and coming successful dater or whatever, to determine what it is women find unattractive about you and fix it.

 

You need to figure it out for yourself. We all do.

 

My face isn't great. I feel like it's my worst feature these days after improving everything else. I just let the confidence over power what I lack in the face department. However, I have studied what very attractive male faces look like and I'm trying my best to get mine more like that... eyebrows, exercising jaw muscles to get a different jaw line, etc.

 

I'm mostly talking about looks. They get you very far.

 

You don't change who you are or your interests, you change what you look like and how you come across initially.

 

You be yourself, but you improve a few superficial things to attract the opposite sex.

 

Just reverse it. What makes a ridiculously hot girl you have never talked to, but are very interested in desirable to you?

 

What she's into? Her confidence? etc?

 

No. It's how she looks.

 

You need to get the fish to notice the bait before you can hook it. If your lure/bait isn't as good as the guy fishing next to you, he'll be catching all the fish.

 

 

 

I fundamentally disagree with all of the above and here is why.

 

How do you make yourself attractive if you have no idea what women want?

How do you improve yourself if women don't tell you why they don't find your attractive (By the way this is a two way street)

 

Realistically one cannot change ones face, ones voice so those things cannot be realistically changed, nor can one change ones expressions.

 

I have absolutely no idea what women want, I thought it was a nice guy who wasn't the size of the Titanic and was athletic but clearly I am wrong. Thus if I have no idea what they want and why they find me unattractive I have absolutely NO idea how to improve.

 

The question is, barring going to the gym how do guys actually improve, find a ton of superficial friends? Be interested in things they aren't interested in for the sake of attracting a female? Being totally false? Pretending to like things because, well maybe she likes them?

 

How far do you go with this before you actually just loose your own identity?

[Halcyon]

Hate to say it but men and woman will never be equals no matter how hard woman try to be equal to men. We are too different and both bring things to the table . Woman do some things better than men and men do some things better than woman.

 

We can have equal rights and all but we never be equal overall.

 

What even? Yes please care to expand this should be good.

 

its almost like women are the only sex that are actually entitled, owed dates and relationships, not the other way around, men have to "earn" more things in life than women do, there are times I hate having a penis.

 

Complete and utter rubbish. Men pretty much have the upper hand in most areas of life just because they have a penis.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Halcyon

[LookAtThisPOst]

Like this one time I was at this bar and his woman I approached she seemed kind of hesitant but kept a mediocre conversation. Then she introduces me to her friend since her friend walks over. She starts talking to her friend for like thirty seconds and I'm just standing looking at her mid conversation with her back turned to me. I just said well hell with her I'm not going to wait around for you.

 

Yeah, I can't stand this and it's very rude...I was a Meetup like this once...they curtly introduce themselves...then continue to have a conversation with each other and pretend you're not even standing there....they'll incessantly talk drivel in hopes you'll eventually take the hint and go away.

[Krieger]

What even? Yes please care to expand this should be good.

 

 

 

Complete and utter rubbish. Men pretty much have the upper hand in most areas of life just because they have a penis.

 

 

People must me slow or I am on fire lol.

 

I break it down so everyone can get it. I am an animal lover and have a dog and a cat . A cat can't be a dog and a dog can't be a cat. They are too different animals so comparing them to each other makes no since.

 

That being said I love my cat and dog equally but for different reasons.

[Toodaloo]

its almost like women are the only sex that are actually entitled, owed dates and relationships, not the other way around, men have to "earn" more things in life than women do, there are times I hate having a penis.

 

Just because this is all getting a bit heated and turning into yet another gender wars I would like to point out that you have the advantage of being able to play and draw while having a pee. We women do not.

 

The genders always will have problems. Women in general are paid less and have higher expenditure... Everything from tampax to pants...

 

Do not even get me started on bras!

 

So back to topic... No I don't think women reject too much. I think some women are idiots but lets face it only idiot blokes would want to date a woman like that so leave them to it...

[Halcyon]

People must me slow or I am on fire lol.

 

I break it down so everyone can get it. I am an animal lover and have a dog and a cat . A cat can't be a dog and a dog can't be a cat. They are too different animals so comparing them to each other makes no since.

 

That being said I love my cat and dog equally but for different reasons.

 

This didn't answer my question. What are men better than women and vice versa at that they will never be equal? Men and women really aren't that different a lot of it is ingrained limitations implied by our society on one gender over the other. Men and women are not cats and dogs we are all people as in we are the same species. Obviously there is some differences but not in terms potential aptitude.

 

As to the question for this thread. No I don't think women reject too much, I think a lot of men feel entitled to relationships because it is what has been promised to them since birth. That one day they will have a partner like it's a birth right. Often become jaded and refuse to look inwards and take the lazy way out and blame everyone else.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Halcyon