Do modern women reject men too often?

[elaine567]

Every relationship I've ever had magically fell into my lap.

I'm just lucky.

 

But that surely is another problem?

Letting life just happen to you is not usually good either.

[elaine567]

70's underpants...

 

Really????

[MGX]

The vast majority of American women are overweight/obese. The only reason the average woman gets laid or relationships at all is because most men are thirsty and would rather sleep with undesirable women than putting in the work to get attractive women(German women, Swedish women, Spanish women, Greek, women etc). Not going to say that those Countries don't have ugly/obese/overweight women, but most of the women from these Countries, in their 20s, are pretty hot.

 

I think the reason why average women have no problem finding men is because they are WOMEN. There's always someone out there willing to screw them, no matter how ugly.

[elaine567]

I think the reason why average women have no problem finding men is because they are WOMEN. There's always someone out there willing to screw them, no matter how ugly.

 

Well, that IS good to know.

A woman's worth is entirely to be found between her legs...

[Halcyon]

Probably because I cant get any I have a certain resentment towards players but the biggest issue I have with them is morally because they just perpetuate the myth every guy is just interested in sex.

 

You are jealous of something they have and you don't. Women by a certain age are pretty well aware not all guys are just looking for sex. For the most part PUA prey on women with low self esteem, those who are naive or those who are fully aware what they are doing but don't care.

 

Let me ask you this though? Why keep yourself up at night over this? How are they affecting you personally?

 

A defeatist attitude is very unattractive which you have. One thing I found most important to being attractive to anyone is to be happy on your own. IF you are desperate for a relationship that will be sensed by anyone you are interested in and they will most likely run.

[Toodaloo]

Really????

 

I know the irony of it!

 

If we just stick a neon sign in the window stating ***poonani available here*** we will have strange men in 70's underpants all over us...

 

Come on Elaine admit it - you want it... well at least more than to be bored half to death by some pathetic argument *again yawn* about how the possession of a vagina means that the world is going to give you a Bentley and you will live happily ever after...

 

If your desperate I guess you could make the sign flash by flicking the switch on and off at the plug??? Because it is JUST that simple for every body!

[Toodaloo]

I think the reason why average women have no problem finding men is because they are WOMEN. There's always someone out there willing to screw them, no matter how ugly.

 

So just because there are men happy to hump and dump us like pieces of dog poo on their shoe we should be happy about that?

 

Nice... My Friday is now complete and I feel so much happier with the world.

[ltjg45]

Well, that IS good to know.

A woman's worth is entirely to be found between her legs...

 

I have seen women that is close to looking like an abomination with a personality that sucks just as equally get laid somewhat regularly.

 

So while a woman has more worth than what is between her legs, that does have a lot of value to most guys and, to some, that is more value than they would ask of you.

[Keenly]

But that surely is another problem?

Letting life just happen to you is not usually good either.

 

If that's your perspective, it wouldn't be good.

I live my life like a white water rafter. The torrent is too strong to fight against, so I float along. Perhaps one day I'll wash ashore, or perhaps I'll make it to the ocean.

 

 

Either way, I'll be just as content.

[Toodaloo]

I have seen women that is close to looking like an abomination with a personality that sucks just as equally get laid somewhat regularly..

 

Getting laid by what though...?

 

I know one such woman and recently heard she has an STD. Normally I would be upset but this time I am praying her genitals fall off...

 

I am not at all jealous of her being humped and dumped all the time... Nor do I feel sorry for all the men she has been humping and dumping.

 

Act like a hoe and thats what you get...

[xxoo]

I think the reason why average women have no problem finding men is because they are WOMEN. There's always someone out there willing to screw them, no matter how ugly.

 

And this is why women simply can not reject men too often. Do men really think we should sleep with all the men who want to get in our pants?

 

We're b!tches if we reject men. We're sluts if we don't.

[Halcyon]

And this is why women simply can not reject men too often. Do men really think we should sleep with all the men who want to get in our pants?

 

We're b!tches if we reject men. We're sluts if we don't.

 

Some men think that yes and I usually find more often than not they are the ones who self label themselves as 'nice guys'. God forbid a women exercise there right to not date someone they are not interested in. That is like a really bitchy thing to do right?

[dangerbang]

So men on this thread are bitter because women can get laid easier than men? I believe that to be true, but, I know women who've been in horrible relationships and are deeply unhappy and I know men who have fantastic relationships with their other half. Neither sex has it any easier really, so I wouldn't focus on the fact that women can get laid easier, it's not worth bothering yourself over.

[Toodaloo]

And this is why women simply can not reject men too often. Do men really think we should sleep with all the men who want to get in our pants?

 

We're b!tches if we reject men. We're sluts if we don't.

 

Oh come twirl a brolly with me darling... the 70's underpants start to grow on you after a while.

 

We need a "big snog" smiley! I'll just give you a MWAH! instead

[Zing]

I've only read the first page and don't care to go through them all, but I'm just a little curious as to why women's replies are so vicious and defensive? I mean logically if this many people are complaining about the same thing simultaneously then maybe it's not in their heads. Or maybe we're all just bitter neckbeards who just come to cry on here when we get rejected. (lol)

 

I'm immensely annoyed by claims that "both men and women have tons of options". To me this instantly shows that you don't live in the real world, or cannot see outside of your own existence. Sexual selection is real, it's scientific, men and women are different in many ways, both excel at different things because we evolved this way.

 

Feminism is toxic and hypocritical and until it changes drastically this will be the status quo.

[Keenly]

I've only read the first page and don't care to go through them all, but I'm just a little curious as to why women's replies are so vicious and defensive? I mean logically if this many people are complaining about the same thing simultaneously then maybe it's not in their heads. Or maybe we're all just bitter neckbeards who just come to cry on here when we get rejected. (lol)

 

I'm immensely annoyed by claims that "both men and women have tons of options". To me this instantly shows that you don't live in the real world, or cannot see outside of your own existence. Sexual selection is real, it's scientific, men and women are different in many ways, both excel at different things because we evolved this way.

 

Feminism is toxic and hypocritical and until it changes drastically this will be the status quo.

 

Peole take their own personal experiences and apply them, copy paste style, to the entire world as a whole.

 

 

I can't blamE them for doing that. It's their barometer. It's all they know. You only know what you have experienced, so it's hard to fully understand what some one else experience is like when it differs from your own. The woman in new York has a different experience than the woman in Illinois. She probably can't relate to it until she experiences It.

[Gary S]

I have not read this thread, but I can imagine we have a big gender war going on in here - am I right?

 

Like I posted earlier, yes, there are some women who are spoiled brats, high maintenance women who reject more. But to be fair, it's not their fault - the reason many of them are spoiled is because they have been catered to by too many guys in the past.

 

Even with the average women, the man is the primary pursuer.

 

The bottom line is, in dating, men will tend to be rejected more. Don't feel bad about it guys, dating and relationships are primarily a woman's realm.

 

Don't like it? - so find one good women who happens to think you are the greatest thing since sliced cheese and get out of the dating pool - problem solved.

[Zing]

Peole take their own personal experiences and apply them, copy paste style, to the entire world as a whole.

 

 

I can't blamE them for doing that. It's their barometer. It's all they know. You only know what you have experienced, so it's hard to fully understand what some one else experience is like when it differs from your own. The woman in new York has a different experience than the woman in Illinois. She probably can't relate to it until she experiences It.

 

This is basically the definition of empathy we're talking about here. Something women are supposedly great at, but the opinions I read here are pretty much always entirely subjective. So yes, to understand a man's perspective a women would need to view the issue objectively.

[BlueIris]

I don’t think women reject “too much” or men something-or-other “too much.”

 

As Gary S said, it just takes one. Find that one and none of the others matter.

 

As Thomas Edison said, "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." That's the attitude of someone who succeeds.

[Zing]

Let's be real here. The concept of "the one" that you are talking about is a complete fantasy. It doesn't exist, and no if you just bide your time and "be yourself" a decent woman isn't going to just drop in your lap.(because women don't pursue)

[BlackOpsZombieGirl]

I've only read the first page and don't care to go through them all, but I'm just a little curious as to why women's replies are so vicious and defensive? I mean logically if this many people are complaining about the same thing simultaneously then maybe it's not in their heads. Or maybe we're all just bitter neckbeards who just come to cry on here when we get rejected. (lol)

 

I'm immensely annoyed by claims that "both men and women have tons of options". To me this instantly shows that you don't live in the real world, or cannot see outside of your own existence. Sexual selection is real, it's scientific, men and women are different in many ways, both excel at different things because we evolved this way.

 

Feminism is toxic and hypocritical and until it changes drastically this will be the status quo.

 

 

From what you've written in your post, it's glaringly obvious that you haven't read through this entire thread; but some of us have been following it since it's inception and have been posting in it.

 

75% of the guys in here have an extremely crude, bitter and resentful attitude towards us. Just like another poster so eloquently stated:

 

We're b!tches if we reject men. We're sluts if we don't.

 

This is part of the reason why guys are so bitter and have a disrespectful attitude towards us. If we sleep with them right off the bat, they refer to us as sluts and as women that they would NOT want to have a relationship with - and, alternatively, if we reject their advances and do NOT sleep with them, they refer to us as stuck-up b!tches who 'reject men too often'.

 

Misogyny is toxic and hypocritical; and until guys change their attitude about themselves and towards women, there will always be threads like this popping up in the forums.

 

 

 

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[BlueIris]

Let's be real here. The concept of "the one" that you are talking about is a complete fantasy. It doesn't exist, and no if you just bide your time and "be yourself" a decent woman isn't going to just drop in your lap.(because women don't pursue)

 

Oh, I agree that people don’t drop into our laps. Nothing does. Even winning the lottery requires going to the store and buying a lottery ticket.

 

But no, "the one" is not a fantasy, and yes, finding someone that you happily give up dating for really exists.

 

That it requires more effort for men, usually, because they have the pursuer role, is just the way it is. Consider it a trade-off for not having to give birth. (It hurts. ) Some things are just the way they are. And if you resent pursuing, all is not lost. You might luck out and be pursued by a woman. There are definitely women who pursue, even if they're not the majority.

[Zing]

From what you've written in your post, it's glaringly obvious that you haven't read through this entire thread; but some of us have been following it since it's inception and have been posting in it.

 

75% of the guys in here have an extremely crude, bitter and resentful attitude towards us. Just like another poster so eloquently stated:

 

Yep, I actually stated that in my post too. Maybe that's because it instantly escalated to that when all the women on the first page jumped in with sarcastic, ignorant and unsympathetic responses. Just a thought.

 

This is part of the reason why guys are so bitter and have a disrespectful attitude towards us. If we sleep with them right off the bat, they refer to us as sluts and as women that they would NOT want to have a relationship with - and, alternatively, if we reject their advances and do NOT sleep with them, they refer to us as stuck-up b!tches who 'reject men too often'.

 

It's actually been my experience that "slut-shaming" often comes from other women. Also rejection isn't just something faced in the initial phases of the relationship(sex etc), in fact usually the deepest most hurtful rejection comes later after they actually know you. And yes, I do know that some women will face that, but they don't have to put themselves out there even close to what a man does.

 

Misogyny is toxic and hypocritical; and until guys change their attitude about themselves and towards women, there will always be threads like this popping up in the forums.

 

What? That's just foolish. Feminism is a ideological movement and misogyny is literally just a word used to describe people who hate women. Do you mean misandry?

[Halcyon]

Yep, I actually stated that in my post too. Maybe that's because it instantly escalated to that when all the women on the first page jumped in with sarcastic, ignorant and unsympathetic responses. Just a thought.

 

Maybe because the whole premise of this thread was that women are doing something inherently wrong by rejecting people they don't want to date? That seems pretty unfair and I would be sarcastic about it too if it came up as much as it does on these forums.

 

A lot of the men moaning in this thread about this are pretty set in their ways and have pretty poor opinions of women in general.

 

It's actually been my experience that "slut-shaming" often comes from other women. Also rejection isn't just something faced in the initial phases of the relationship(sex etc), in fact usually the deepest most hurtful rejection comes later after they actually know you. And yes, I do know that some women will face that, but they don't have to put themselves out there even close to what a man does.

 

Yes I have seen this as well but it's a drop in the ocean compared to guys slut shaming and endless bitching about the 'friend zone' which isn't even a thing just a tool to demonise someone who doesn't feel the same way as you do. In short a grandiose sense of entitlement. That later rejection generally happens on both sides pretty evenly I think? Could you elaborate what you mean? like a guy and a girl are friends for a while then guy asks girl out and gets rejected? If so that is still the dudes issue and not the girls fault if she doesn't feel the same way. No one owes anyone anything.

 

 

What? That's just foolish. Feminism is a ideological movement and misogyny is literally just a word used to describe people who hate women. Do you mean misandry?

 

Pretty sure she meant misogyny because there has been a lot of it in this thread. Particularly in the suggestion that women are only as valuable as to how often they give men access to their genitals.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Halcyon

[Zing]

Maybe because the whole premise of this thread was that women are somehow doing something inherently wrong by rejecting people they don't want to date? That seems pretty unfair and I would be sarcastic about it too if it came up as much as it does on these forums.

 

A lot of the men moaning in this thread about this are pretty set in their ways and have pretty poor opinions of women in general.

 

 

I didn't get that impression from the OP, why did you? In fact the general premise was surrounding the effects of OLD on womens' reaction to attention.

 

Personally, I'm no longer bitter but I am still able to empathize with those feelings. When gathering recent data from Tinder, OKC, Match etc, they recently surmised that women(at least those on OLD), found 80% of men unattractive. It isn't that men think that women are doing something "wrong" by rejecting them, it's the base principal behind their thinking is totally skewed, so many women are made to think they are special snowflakes and deserve a very own Brad Pitt of their own. Consequently many women value themselves above 80% of men, and it's frustrating to see that, especially if they aren't deserving of it.

 

 

Yes I have seen this as well but it's a drop in the ocean compared to guys slut shaming and endless bitching about the 'friend zone' which isn't even a thing just a tool to demonise someone who doesn't feel the same way as you do. In short a grandiose sense of entitlement. That later rejection generally happens of both sides pretty evenly I think? Could you elaborate what you mean? like a guy and a girl are friends for a while then guy asks girl out and gets rejected? If so that is still the dudes issue and not the girls fault if she doesn't feel the same way. No one owes anyone anything.

 

You can still reject someone while being in a relationship with them, that's what I mean.

 

Pretty sure she meant misogyny because there has been a lot of it in this thread. Particularly in the suggestion that women are only as valuable as to how often they give men access to their genitals.

 

I know what she meant. I was just pointing out the absurdity of replacing feminism with misogyny in that quote.

 

Oh, I agree that people don’t drop into our laps. Nothing does. Even winning the lottery requires going to the store and buying a lottery ticket.

 

But no, "the one" is not a fantasy, and yes, finding someone that you happily give up dating for really exists.

 

That it requires more effort for men, usually, because they have the pursuer role, is just the way it is. Consider it a trade-off for not having to give birth. (It hurts. ) Some things are just the way they are. And if you resent pursuing, all is not lost. You might luck out and be pursued by a woman. There are definitely women who pursue, even if they're not the majority.

 

What's the basis for the one not being a fantasy?

 

I've found a few women I'd give up dating for, but that's because my standards as a man are totally different, they're simpler. I don't need an insane checklist of specific traits like I see from women(there was a thread a couple weeks ago about this) I actually couldn't care less about their job, how much money they make, what their future career aspirations are etc. To clarify what I mean by not caring, because I know that will be taken out of context, I mean that it does not contribute to my attraction or feelings of love at all, those things are superficial and immaterial when it comes to the raw biology. I don't think it is the same for women.

 

I'd take a 9 months discomfort and a few days of extreme physical pain over the exhausting mental/emotional pain the comes from facing rejection weekly. But then again I'd also love to be catcalled by women and have women actively pursuing me for sex. The irony is kind of delicious I admit.