Woggle Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Women just like men will bring what you require them to bring. Too many men are happy with a woman that offers nothing but her looks and sex. If you require more from a woman before you invest any of yourself then she will bring it or be nexted. It has worked for me. 3
Phoe Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 You probably bring more things to the table than you realize. Furthermore, you don't demand a lot. It's about balancing what you bring with what you expect from the other person. Well, there's that inherent female sex organ that has been touched on already in this thread, yes I have a vagina lol, but I don't view that as something that I bring to the table! Funny though, one of the things that I've often been scolded about here, is how I don't demand a lot. That I should expect more. I was recently told I need to be more opinionated. *shrug*
Maleficent Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Except it's not. Total up the posts of this nature in this thread and do the math. It doesn't add up to 99%. I think this is the best approach. Man brings X to the relation and the woman brings Y. They mutually agree that X = Y. In the context of this thread, some people ask for X and only offer Y with X > Y. People who post on these threads. Not THIS particular thread. Not that I agree 99% is accurate but it is a widespread opinion if women on LS. And considering how offensive the post autumn was replying to was, I'll chalk it uo to exageration for sake of making a point.
StanMusial Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Except it's not. Total up the posts of this nature in this thread and do the math. It doesn't add up to 99%. ... Yeah I went back to read the other post and I don't see it. By definition every single woman you will encounter has a vagina. That will always be on the table lol. The complaint is, that's not enough. Granted, many men go for the hot girl with nothing else to offer. That's on them for sure. To be honest though my impression of a lot of people on here is they are just trying to get laid, not find a good relationship. That's the guys and the girls. Whatever, just don't complain about it. This is Day 1 stuff, dang.
Robert Z Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I'll be brutally honest with myself and say that I don't think I bring much to the table. I don't really have much to offer other than being a nice person. It's been on my mind a lot over the past few months, feeling like I don't have enough to offer. I'm always trying to improve myself but there's only so much that can be done at any one time. For men, being a nice person is not enough, for women it is enough, I don't know why its far more important for a man to have a fun, interesting, exciting life than the other way around, I don't care if it is the way it is, there's an explanation for everything, there's even an explanation as to why the sky is blue. I don't know, I pay huge amounts of money for women to just be nice. I think Phoe is worth her weight in gold. I would have given my kingdom for a wife who was nice. I find very little in life that has more value than a truly good heart. You can fix just about anything in life, but not if the heart is in the wrong place. Edited June 20, 2015 by Robert Z 2
Phoe Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I don't know, I pay huge amounts of money for women to just be nice. I think Phoe is worth her weight in gold. I would have given my kingdom for a wife who was nice. I find very little in life that has more value than a truly good heart. You can fix just about anything in life, but not if the heart is in the wrong place. Thank you Robert, made me smile to read that. This heart of mine is silly, but I would not trade having a good heart for any other quality I could think of, even if I do wish I had more to offer. I've always tried to improve myself and be a better person and be as well rounded as possible, but there's no denying I'm not so great in some areas. But now, when faced with a partner who has a whole lot more to offer than me, and has qualities I never would've dreamed to hope for, I am massively intimidated by it. A fish out of water, floundering without a clue of what to do, with a man who has so much to offer and would have no issue finding a woman with far more to offer than me. Makes me wonder why he bothers, you know? I want to give him what he deserves, and I worry that I'm incapable of that. Of course, he's not fond of me thinking this way, and rightfully so. And I'm trying my best to see things differently, and not let my head get to me.
loveweary11 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Let's keep those vajajays off the table, people... we need to eat off this thing! Edited June 21, 2015 by loveweary11 3
autumnnight Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Let's keep those vajajays off the table, people... we need to eat off this thing! You just made it way to easy to be naughty, but I shall resist lol 1
Gloria25 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I don't know, I pay huge amounts of money for women to just be nice. I think Phoe is worth her weight in gold. I would have given my kingdom for a wife who was nice. I find very little in life that has more value than a truly good heart. You can fix just about anything in life, but not if the heart is in the wrong place. Problem is a lot of women - especially now a days - think being "nice" is smiling all the time and/or having a "sunny disposition" and/or a sense of humor. No matter what feminism is teaching people about men and women being "equals" and/or "partners" - men still have the basic need for their women to "nurture" them like their mum did (and have sex with them - something mommy can't/won't/shouldn't do). Problem is, women don't have nothing to bring to the table cuz they no longer see the need to "nurture" men. They believe cooking, cleaning, taking care of the home/kid should be split 50/50 and/or "outsourced" to maids, babysitters, daycare, etc. And if he wants sex, he is a dog in heat and she has better things to do like sleep for that job she has to go to in the morning. So if a woman is truly "nice" - it's more than just smiles. It's "nurturing" him, the marriage, home, kids, etc. Women not being "nice" also has to do with feminism - which taught/teaches women that men are baffoons, stupid, idiots. And, how can you be "nice" to someone you feel about that way? 1
serial muse Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 For men, being a nice person is not enough, for women it is enough, I don't know why its far more important for a man to have a fun, interesting, exciting life than the other way around, I don't care if it is the way it is, there's an explanation for everything, there's even an explanation as to why the sky is blue. The explanation for this is that it's a crappy generalization that isn't based in truth. So that explains that. 1
Gloria25 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Even when I was broke and sitting around playing World of Warcraft all day, I had a girlfriend. She was nice....and hot! We had a great time together just playing Warcraft together most days. Very little excitement there. I wonder cuz she was more of a "buddy" than your "woman"? Yes, having things in common is good with your SO - regardless of gender - but a couple must do/have things that make them more than a "buddy", "roommate", "co-partner". And, that's my whole point about this "partner" and/or "equality" nonsense. No one wants to boink their "mommy" or "bff"...
Krieger Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Women just like men will bring what you require them to bring. Too many men are happy with a woman that offers nothing but her looks and sex. If you require more from a woman before you invest any of yourself then she will bring it or be nexted. It has worked for me. Well to be fair most woman that all they have to offer sorry to say. I am not sorry if a woman bring nothing to the table no thanks. It is funny that a woman can bring noting to the table but love to tell you how independent she is when she cant even hold down a job and takes government hand outs left and right or lives off other people. too many woman get a pass for being a loser IMO. I will not even talk to a woman if she not on my level or my equal.
serial muse Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I wonder cuz she was more of a "buddy" than your "woman"? Yes, having things in common is good with your SO - regardless of gender - but a couple must do/have things that make them more than a "buddy", "roommate", "co-partner". And, that's my whole point about this "partner" and/or "equality" nonsense. No one wants to boink their "mommy" or "bff"... I thought he was saying that relationship was a good one for him. 1
Elam Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) This is what bitter men who either cannot get a date or who let a bad experience or two ruin them say in order to blame all women for their ineptness. Simple as that. Huh, dude, no. It means that the women who're being told this don't have much going for them. Looks and sex, that's great for a one-night stand and a FWB, but if the woman doesn't bring anything else to the table, meaning she makes her own money, has her own life and hobbies(instead of spending her time on starbucks) she won't get a relationship with that guy. I have a cousin like that. She's beautiful. 6 feet tall, tiny waist, natural blonde. Human version of Jessica Rabbit. Had to settle for an average guy with a good job because the men she wanted - the men who were on her level in terms of looks but had other things going for them - couldn't stand talking to her for more than 5 minutes because she's so bland. As long as there is Mexican food on this table, it doesn't matter what she brings In my opinion, the only thing a woman needs to bring to the table is a warm body, a loving heart, and a desire to be a part of a two person team against the world. Perhaps I'm abnormal. What else SHOULD I be expecting? Average men can't be picky. I see guys dating women who are obese. I've asked them if they are attracted to the woman they're with, they say no. ''Why date them?'' ''They have a vagina.'' If you looked like Prince Harry, believe me: your standards would be much higher. Isn't he dating Emma Watson? If so, she's more than a warm body. Sadly most men will not evolve from their only standard: Is she a woman? Edited June 21, 2015 by Elam
Elam Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) IMO, neither men nor women bring anything of value to the table - yet they are coupling up all over the place cuz "water seeks its own level". Like I was watching Jerry Springer recently and this guy was such a mess that while preggo he got jailed for nonsense. Then, she cheated on him cuz she's home with the baby and boooored and upset that he works all the time (so she can raise their child instead of dumping it off in daycare) and he doesn't complement her since she had the baby (well, you gained so much weight and look terrible). And, she says the most exciting thing she does is going to check the mailbox. So, why doesn't she go and jog with the kid? Make some fitness goals? Go volunteer and take the kid? Maybe go and meet up with other mothers and swap watching kids so she can greet her hubby in some sexy clothing while another mother takes turns watching her kid? Why don't she set up a part-time thing to do from home? See, SHE had/has the power to make the RL better, but puts it all on him. And, that's how most women think. They have nothing to bring to the table. They can't and/or don't wanna cook, stay fit, sex their man, maintain the home, and/or raise their kids. And, a lot only see value in them being a "worker bee". Then, they don't expect men to rise to the occasion. They want to shack-up, marry, and/or have babies and dude hasn't finished school and/or got himself established in a career. So, we have a "partnership", "roommates" - not husband/wife and/or lovers. And, a lot of men also have nothing to offer. They "expect" a woman to pay half/some of the bills, dump off a kid in daycare. These guys also do not wanna stay fit, wanna smoke weed, play video games and be perpetual boys who live off of Red Bull and Taco Bell. They wouldn't know and/or appreciate a decent woman and don't care to put any effort into treating a woman right. So, women did this to themselves...they have no standards for themselves, will settle for "boys" instead of "men" and have nothing to bring to the table except for maybe some of their paycheck. They are NOT "wives" and/or "mothers" and/or "lovers"...they are "roommates" and "partners". So yes, women have nothing to offer to make a real RL now a days...IMO, and same goes for men...loser + loser = reproduction of more losers. Now, then we have the women who on top of being a roommate/partner - don't see where what they earn is "ours" - instead it is "theirs". They come on dates and expect men to splurge on them and the day the guy marries him, he won't get sex, respect, and/or treated like a man. In other words, the women want men to be "traditional" and court, spend money on them and work to pay the bills - but she has better things to do rather than sex, cook, and/or clean for him and she sure ain't raising any kids - that's what daycare and the public school system is for. The people who go to the Jerry Springer show arent exactly of the highest quality to be found in America. Most of them go to the show to find out if they are the father of the baby the woman they're with has inside of her. Turns out, the women are usually sleeping with several guys at the same time. Most men aren't trashy like the men who are in that show, and neither are the women. What's wrong with video games?Its a great way to be entertained without spending much money on it, and video games develop many personal attributes that are useful in real life. And men don't really need to exercise to stay fit. Just don't eat crap food. My father hasn't done any physical exercise since comin out of the army and he's as slim as a healthy 25 year old man. Meh, men aren't being boys. Men are being smart. There's nothing in it for us. Marriage is a drag, too much trouble and too much expense from what the older guys say and guys don't want to deal with problems. You know, I was reading another forum, a gaming forum and this girl came out and blurted that she worked as an escort and that she had popped the cherries of 7 normal-looking guys in their late 20s in one week, ahaha. Seems like guys figured out that they can get laid with women much better looking than average women for a very small fee and they won't have to put up with the women after. Good for them. I like to see guys happy. I have friends who were average-looking(healthy weight, not short) and they couldn't get laid with average/below average women, but now that they're in a good position in their lives: good job, their own house, a nice car, a nice amount of cash in the bank and so forth. You can be damn sure these guys expect women to bring more to the table other than their looks now that they are of high-value themselves. Thing is, the vast majority of these guys rather prefer to keep their money, use porn, and spend their disposable income on high-tech gadgets ahaha, rip marriage and rip the nuclear family. Edited June 21, 2015 by Elam
elaine567 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Average men can't be picky. I see guys dating women who are obese. I've asked them if they are attracted to the woman they're with, they say no. ''Why date them?'' ''They have a vagina.'' Well that just shows how superficial and idiotic those "average" men you are talking to are . NO wonder they have no success with women. A woman who is a living, breathing, thinking, caring human being is objectified into "a vagina"? And you think that is good? 2
StanMusial Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Well to be fair most woman that all they have to offer sorry to say. I am not sorry if a woman bring nothing to the table no thanks. It is funny that a woman can bring noting to the table but love to tell you how independent she is when she cant even hold down a job and takes government hand outs left and right or lives off other people. too many woman get a pass for being a loser IMO. I will not even talk to a woman if she not on my level or my equal. Strong Independent Woman™ is more a cliche or catchphrase than not. 3
Auspecial Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 You probably bring more things to the table than you realize. Furthermore, you don't demand a lot. It's about balancing what you bring with what you expect from the other person. That's what it "should' be about, but often is not. A past boyfriend who happened to be much wealthier than me, pursued me greatly, treated me well, etc. I bought and brought nice wines and other gifts as I could afford. But the bottom line was he actually thought poorly of me because I didn't have wealth, or prestigious position in the community. It didn't matter that I had saved many lives, but I digress. This is how shallow people have become. I brought a lot of non-tangibles to the table, and I didn't expect him to give more than myself. Ultimately he couldn't get his mind around me not bringing tangibles (other than high quality wine!) to the table. I was the dumper, but it was because he didn't respect me, so actually he rejected me first, although he kept wanting to be seen with me and still on occasion reaches out to me. People are so fickle. 1
elaine567 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 We live in a materialistic society. "Things" are now of primary significance to many people. Human beings are a secondary consideration. It is considered better to have a partner with a great job and the possibility of a superb superficial relationship full of holidays, cars and gadgets, than have someone who brings love and caring to the relationship. Who cares about love and affection, just make sure you can pay at least half of the bills, I don't want to lose out, I don't want to sell myself short ...? I deserve better, I, I, I... Forget about love, trust and altruism, better to have your bases covered so you are not going to be screwed, when it all goes sour... Cynicism rules. 1
Auspecial Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 We live in a materialistic society. "Things" are now of primary significance to many people. Human beings are a secondary consideration. It is considered better to have a partner with a great job and the possibility of a superb superficial relationship full of holidays, cars and gadgets, than have someone who brings love and caring to the relationship. Who cares about love and affection, just make sure you can pay at least half of the bills, I don't want to lose out, I don't want to sell myself short ...? I deserve better, I, I, I... Forget about love, trust and altruism, better to have your bases covered so you are not going to be screwed, when it all goes sour... Cynicism rules. The ironic part comes in, if and when things go south for one of the partners, how many will stay together? Many, many times, it is the person with more tangible wealth who is actually not bringing to the table a BACKBONE to be able to be able to deal with life and humanity at its bleakest times.
autumnnight Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 women don't have nothing to bring to the table Exactly...women I know (including myself) DON'T have NOTHING to bring to the table... We have a lot. We are educated, we nurture, we have tact and grace, we are feminine, we are affectionate, we have sex dives, we like showing care, we have senses of humor but can still be ladylike (while being anything but in the bedroom ) So yes, I know very few women who have nothing to bring to the table. For that matter, I know very few in real life men who have nothing to bring to the table either. I must just be surrounded by a higher than average number of good, above average people. 3
PrettyEmily77 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 You can be damn sure these guys expect women to bring more to the table other than their looks now that they are of high-value themselves. Thing is, the vast majority of these guys rather prefer to keep their money, use porn, and spend their disposable income on high-tech gadgets ahaha, rip marriage and rip the nuclear family. What woman in her right mind would want to spend her life with one of these guys?? I don't know where you live or how old you are but I don't know anyone like that IRL. When I was dating, of the few guys I met, they all seemed decent, grounded, nice looking guys with good jobs and a healthy social life who were looking for a long-term partner. It didn't work out for other reasons (incompatibility / lack of a spark / etc.) and none of them gave the impression they were jaded or having stupid expectations. 1
Acacia98 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I certainly don't believe that all women don't bring enough to the table. I wouldn't be in a relationship if I did. What I'm saying is that it's their right to think that, regardless of what you and I may think about it. There are both males and females who believe that about the opposite sex. Let them. It doesn't hurt anybody. I am kind of with you. I think generalizations are just that: generalizations. And I generally don't waste energy arguing with people who subscribe to them. I tend to let them believe whatever makes them feel good. But I do think that generalizations can hurt people. Sometimes, a person jumps into the dating pool with all these stereotypes about the gender they want to date in their mind. And the stereotypes govern the way the person treats dates. So, for example, a guy who thinks women bring nothing to the table may end up taking a lot from a woman (who has brought a lot to the table) and then hurtfully dumping and dismissing her because he can't see beyond the generalization. Alternatively, a woman who thinks all men are potential rapists may end up dating, pushing away, and deeply hurting a decent guy who meant her well, all because she's committed to believing all guys are potential rapists. The people who hold on to generalizations may also ultimately hurt themselves because they keep throwing themselves into relationships with people who fit the stereotype... So it can be helpful to challenge the generalizations and stereotypes if one has the inclination to do so. I'm tired of challenging stereotypes, so I don't go out of my way to do it. But if somebody else wants to do it, I'm cool with that. 1
xxoo Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 It boils down to wanting sex with women, but not actually liking women. Icky. I almost feel sorry for these guys. 2
hudson701 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Even men who are not bitter, men who get dates, get laid, it still seems the man is putting in far more work, effort into attracting and keeping a mate than the woman is. This. What I often experience with pretty women is that they believe all they need to do is turn for a relationship and that's it. Because they are pretty, feminine and have a vagina that's the trump card. No effort needs to be made on their side. It boils my blood. I have no problems getting dates but by the third or fourth I simply next the vast majority of girls because their dating efforts are so damn lazy. I put all the money, organisation, thought and romanticism into the dates, trying to create a nice experience for us, whereas they turn up wearing a bit of lip gloss and the mistaken belief that the offer of sex is equal to what I put in. It's at that point I'll tell them to F off, the most recent one being a couple weeks ago. Sorry luv, what more do you have to offer me other than your inflated ego and vagina? Ever heard of 'cost-benefit' analysis? It's a cold way to approach dating today but the diabolical nature of the modern western woman makes it worthwhile; if you feel she ain't pulling things her end then just walk. It's why the vast majority of today's women no longer interest me. It's a sad state of affairs.
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