Woman with male energy

[Maleficent]

And yes, there are still social constructs about beauty that change over time according to our environment, but social constructs are part of evolution, even if not a on a genetically altering scale. Those social constructs are the adaptation that leads to evolution.

 

So basically we agree that the biology argument is hogwash because of evolution and social construct?

great!

[HereNorThere]

Hey, I just took your biology argument and attacked it because it was kind of faulty. Biologically, we are wired to search for the best partner as I described. The fact men are attracted to a woman because she is 'feminine' and that women are attracted to men because he is 'masculine' is not biology, it's social construction. What is considered 'feminine' and 'masculine' is different from one time to another and influenced by society so it has nothing to do with biology.

 

 

And yes, men today are attracted to large butts and breast as long as they are on a lean body. Hardly the fertility goddesses I was referring to.

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=fertility+goddess&rlz=1C5AVSZ_enCA600CA607&espv=2&biw=1232&bih=682&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQsARqFQoTCPTXxYLdjccCFQMUkgodtNwOAg

 

 

The problem with your argument is that you are acting like evolution just suddenly stopped and we are no longer adapting and evolving. The cavemen were responding to their environment just as we are responding to our own. That doesn't negate the fact that what I am attracted to is heavily influenced by genetic predisposition. Sure, there's some social construct there, but that social construct is created by people.... people who are adapting and evolving. Social construct is a part of evolution. It's one of the many catalysts for genetic changes.

Edited August 3, 2015 by HereNorThere

[amaysngrace]

So she's more of a thinker than emotional?

 

Big wow.

[Maleficent]

The problem with your argument is that you are acting like evolution just suddenly stopped and we are no longer adapting and evolving. The cavemen were responding to their environment just as we are responding to our own. That doesn't negate the fact that what I am attracted to is heavily influenced by genetic predisposition. Sure, there's some social construct there, but that social construct is created by people.... people who are adapting and evolving. Social construct is a part of evolution. It's one of the many catalysts for genetic changes.

 

You're the one who brought up biology as a argument, not me.

 

Genetic changes and evolution happen over hundreds of thousands of years. Genetically speaking, we are still very similar to the homo sapiens that lived one million year ago.

 

Genetics take thousands of years to change and social constructs is too fluid to have much effect on it.

 

It just looks like you are trying to mix water and oil here...

[BluEyeL]

So much overanalyzing. The woman is an arsehole and well, maybe this is the stereotype: men are arseholes so if a woman is an arsehole, then she's masculine

 

PS With my Ph.D. in Engineering and my career I'm still wearing pink bedazzled shoes The stereotypes regarding women and careers will disappear in time. Women liberation is very very recent in historical terms.

[Maleficent]

That doesn't negate the fact that what I am attracted to is heavily influenced by genetic predisposition.

 

Of course not. You are genetically predispositioned to be attracted to women. I did not deny that.

 

Are you genetically predispositioned to be attracted todays' standards of 'feminity'? absolutely not.

[Els]

Do you not know what ball busting is? Sht testing?

 

She's on a very specific diet and into exercising (and well read on the subjects, she understands the science of what's going on). I have an exercise science degree, lots of biology, so we can have a good discussion on these things.

 

We get into discussion of eating and she goes into how she can't date a guy who is super picky "because half of all dating is eating together" (and explains specifically about a guy she had to drop for this reason). Of course this necessitates breaking down my eating habits. You see, immediately after saying it's a deal breaker I'm being tested.

 

I tell her I don't like Indian food, don't like curry. "How can you not like curry, ok what kind, green, red, yellow, you know there's different kinds right"? I tell her, "I don't know, I don't like it so I don't eat it, I don't like cumin (and I think that's in all of them)."

 

And then, "Ok what did you eat today?"

I, "some ground beef, a little salt, pepper, and msg." (along with some separate fruits and vegetables)

Her "So you didn't mix anything with the beef, that's it just beef? And msg? Just straight msg, not mixed in some kind of spices? You just have a bottle that says msg on it?"

Me, "that's exactly what I have, a bottle of msg." I held my frame, this is what I do, not apologetic, take it or leave it. But hey, I at least got points for healthy fruits and veggies.

 

You see, it's this grinding, constant challenging. That was only 1/2 the food discussion. Is she hyper, is she ball busting? Maybe she's just detail oriented, that's a kind spin.

 

Eh, this all sounds exhausting. I can't imagine spending any significant time with a person who constantly does this! It's not a masculine vs feminine thing, either - I'd have no interest in a guy who behaved how you described.

[kilgore]

No real questions here, just comment how you choose.

 

Went on a 1st date last night, very interesting woman. She's a really high match for me on OKC, like 95% which is rare in this conservative locale. She's a woman with lots of masculine qualities.

 

1. She is a PhD, math professor. Very intelligent, wide rang of topics. Very attractive quality to me.

 

2. Talked about how she can't stand whiny, needy guys. She doesn't like frequent communication, doesn't want daily texts or phone calls. Liked that I didn't contact her at all for a couple days after we made date plans.

 

3. Complained about guys wanting to go exclusive after 1 date. Took that to mean she's reluctant to give up other fk buddy(s).

 

4. Likes to ball bust, such as food and music preferences.

 

5. Was kino-ing me during the date. Very open body language after 30 minutes in.

 

6. Initiated leaving the bar to go for a walk. Kind of lead the walk, as in she would randomly turn and start heading a new direction. Maybe it was a general lack of social awareness.

 

7. Decides to stop and sit at a bench, think she was waiting for me to make a move. It was entertaining.

 

8. Talks dirty like a guy (in general, not that specific moment).

 

9. Asks me to walk her to her car. She outright asks "hug or a kiss"? So I hug her, tell her I'm Mormon and kissing isn't allowed (we're both confirmed Atheists). And then I kiss her, make plans for 2nd meet, kiss again. She says she liked it.

 

Conversation was great. Planned for 2 hours but stayed over 4. I could be a wild match for her, feeling she is very sexual. Not sure if she picked up on how high my sexuality is too, but i'll be cocaine to a woman like her.

 

Not sure if I want to compete with her in masculine energy, or just keep my normal disposition, or: In this rare case I'm tempted to be the prey and let her chase since that seems like her instinct. But no, my real instinct is to pull the hair on the back of her head and physically dominate her in the bedroom. Pretty sure she'd enjoy that.

 

if i were still single she would seem great

[fireflywy]

From reading the OP's first post and the list he presented:

 

Maybe she's a love avoidant? I'd check that out.

[PogoStick]

I feel some of it was her being defensive. We met a 2nd time and I told her "it seemed like you were trying pretty hard to scare me off (on the first date)." She mentioned something about her last relationship. I didn't dwell on it nor caught how recent it was. Anyway she softened up and showed more vulnerability which brought her into territory where I can read her.

 

We're trying to decide if our busy schedules plus 90 minutes drive apart is workable. She suggested dinner at her place next. I wouldn't be surprised if sex is on the horizon. Sad part is I'm away and can't visit for 2-3 weeks. It's a lot of time for things to drift apart, especially since she doesn't enjoy texting or phone. Still, I'm going to hit her up, maybe once a week, to try and keep it fresh.

 

I do enjoy her forward, directness about suggesting our 2nd and 3rd dates. It's refreshing from always having to chase a woman.