LookAtThisPOst Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 This isn't a sexist thread or anything...but just something I've noticed among the majority of women. I recall reading this article online where two guys decided to check out some kind of either Yoga or Herbal or acupuncture symposium. They were single and thought they hit PAY DIRT by coming across tons of beautiful, single ladies in this course. I'm starting to notice an increase in women in the dating pool that are getting more and more into the above. American women getting into Buddhism or if they aren't Buddhists, they are somewhat "new-agey". Usually, they make for great friends, but then they get a little weird, euphoric talk of finding their "inner peace and happiness." I sometimes think its for theatrics myself as when I hear people talk like this, I think there's a hidden camera somewhere. Granted, I had been on dates with some of them, but when they start talking "energy fields" I zone out or really have nothing to add to the conversation. One asked me, "Do you believe that all of us have some kind of energy field around us?" Of course, with interest in "sci-fi", I keep thinking Star Trek and how the USS Enterprise have their shields up or something. LOL I'm not making fun, I don't confirm nor deny the existence of energy fields. Just something I don't talk about deeply, that's all. If they do exists, then I'm sure God created them. For fun, I went with a friend to a ghost hunting group, majority of them were women. It seems I'm coming across women that are falling into this arena of interest and some guys may or may not take issue with dating them because the pluses are the fact that they are less judgmental and dramatic. Though on the other side, they choose to live a world through rose-colored glasses. They are free-spirited. Thoughts on this? . Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Some of the most (passively) aggressive and nasty people I have ever encountered are those who proclaim to be zen. So much inner turmoil that it's really just sad that they seem so conflicted. I guess they just search and search for peace they don't know because being peaceful is just not in their nature. They should maybe try to practice indifference. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I believe we have different energies. I'm NOT an expert in any way, but I feel like our individual chemical makeups do change how we each interact with the world. For example, some of us have allergies, some are affected differently by medications, some people are manic while others are depressive, some people tolerate pain differently. Personally, I feel like I build up static electricity easier than some other people! I don't know if it's just the shoes I wear or the way I walk, but I like to think I have an extra "spark" ()! I don't think any of this necessarily relates to the spiritual realm though. I don't quite understand why you single women out in this thread. I don't think the "majority of women" are into the above, and many men are into holistic treatments, alternative spirituality, etc as well. When you single women out you do appear somewhat sexist. Edited August 16, 2015 by pie2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) My first thought is these are superficial women. My second though is superficial women seem to experience hysteria as a large group. The chakra thing may be part of it. Edited August 16, 2015 by FleshNBones 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) My first thought is these are superficial women. My second though is superficial women seem to experience hysteria as a large group. Again, targeting women. Though, I do think there is an element of superficiality in SOME people who have a surface interest in Eastern culture/beliefs/spiritual practices when it's more about an alternative image they want to project, and not about the actual spiritual connection they profess to seek out. Does that make sense, lol? The chakra thing may be part of it.I would be interested to hear more of your opinion on this. What do you mean? Do you believe in chakras? Edited August 16, 2015 by pie2 Link to post Share on other sites
SycamoreCircle Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I do believe in energies. I mean, you can watch people very closely, they don't have to say anything, and you can get an idea what's going on inside. You can also feel things around you. I'm sure you've walked into something you shouldn't have walked into---those are energy fields. On the other hand, I am annoyed by all the people with yoga mats. It's just...ridiculous. They look like they're working so strenuously to become...centered. And toting a yoga mat almost comes off like a statement of lifestyle more than the person's particular calling. There's nothing wrong with yoga. I just wish more people did it who felt genuine about it. Playing cello centers me. Why aren't their legions of young 20/30-somethings lugging cellos around? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 There's nothing wrong with yoga. I just wish more people did it who felt genuine about it. Playing cello centers me. Why aren't their legions of young 20/30-somethings lugging cellos around? Playing cello doesn't really burn calories or tone abs! Which is what it's about for some yoga practitioners today. Centering is a factor for some people, but the 20/30-somethings I know who do yoga are looking for an aesthetic reward first, and emotional calm second (if at all). Also, playing cello isn't easy! At least for most of us, and if you want it to sound good. On the other hand, I think if we can walk and stand, we can take steps to get better in yoga. Most people can probably do the basics in the beginning, and improve on them gradually. Link to post Share on other sites
Author LookAtThisPOst Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 I believe we have different energies. I'm NOT an expert in any way, but I feel like our individual chemical makeups do change how we each interact with the world. For example, some of us have allergies, some are affected differently by medications, some people are manic while others are depressive, some people tolerate pain differently. Personally, I feel like I build up static electricity easier than some other people! I don't know if it's just the shoes I wear or the way I walk, but I like to think I have an extra "spark" ()! I don't think any of this necessarily relates to the spiritual realm though. I don't quite understand why you single women out in this thread. I don't think the "majority of women" are into the above, and many men are into holistic treatments, alternative spirituality, etc as well. When you single women out you do appear somewhat sexist. Well, let's just say the majority people that are into holistics are women. I recall reading an article on two single guys trying to find good places to meet women. They signed up for a holistic class, even though they had no interest in such things, and couldn't believe how many ladies, a lot of them rather attractive/fit, that outnumbered them. I've even witnessed this myself when I went to see a friend at a Yoga studio. All women at least on that one class. It's just that women is the gender that takes up the majority of this particular interest. Don't get me wrong, I've seen men in their tye-died shirts and hippie peace signs at these Yoga Studios, but they are few and far between. Not being sexist at all, just pointing out what I've seen throughout my life and what other friends have been witnessed too. Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 5 Myths About Yoga Saw this article today . Link to post Share on other sites
Author LookAtThisPOst Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's pretty much a deal breaker change their first name to that of some weird. "zen" or "Hindu" name. I knew someone that I knew her by her first name for a long time and then she changed. I kept "mistakenly" calling her by her "old" first name and kept correcting me saying, "This is NOW my chosen name!" About a few months later, she changed it back. Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I think this is part and parcel of the cafeteria style spirituality that a lot of people seem to feel "hip" embracing. You can hear people taking about reading the Bible in one breath and talking about chakras and zen in the other. I think yoga is a great core strengthening and relaxing and centering practice. I think if you're using it as some spirit centering supernatural thing AND reading the Bible at your local conservative church....you might be confused. And yes, I notice it tends to be more womankind than mankind that combines all these things that make them feel good into one uniquely conglomerized "spirituality." of sorts. Link to post Share on other sites
SycamoreCircle Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Playing cello doesn't really burn calories or tone abs! Which is what it's about for some yoga practitioners today. Centering is a factor for some people, but the 20/30-somethings I know who do yoga are looking for an aesthetic reward first, and emotional calm second (if at all). If we're talking aesthetic rewards, I would never place yoga as foremost in my thoughts. Yes, practicing yoga over a long period of time can tone your body, but not with the aesthetic rewards of something like weight-lifting or rock-climbing or dancing. Tai-Chi also tones the body, but I would never recommend it to someone with foremost aesthetic concerns. Link to post Share on other sites
Author LookAtThisPOst Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Oh, there's this one woman that joins others at certain festivals holding signs saying "Free Hugs" and of course giving free hugs. I'm attempted to popping up to visit just for the hugs sometimes. lol Link to post Share on other sites
Mrin Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) OP's story in food: OMG what is it with women these days and the whole "seasoning" thing? I swear, it seems like every single woman I take out to dinner is all about "seasoning" her food. Just the other week I took this brunette to this chicken place. You know, where they roast chickens over a fire. Well, as soon as we get out chicken she broke out this stuff called "salt" and put it on her chicken. And then she used this other stuff called "garlic" and put it on too! What's up with that? I want my cooked chicken to taste like cooked chicken. What's with all of this stuff they're dumping on their food. They're crazy! Just yesterday I was at this burnt pork place and I saw this woman uncork this bottle of the most vile looking stuff you've ever seen. She called it "Barbecue Sauce". Insanity I tell you! Okay, with that being said I offer these thoughts: 1. I used to be like you. Well, sort of like you. But this whole energetic thing pretty much messed up my marriage. I'm not going to say it was The Cause but it was a contributing factor. My ex-wife went from a non-spiritual person to a full blown reiki hippie zen master in about two years. I say it screwed up our marriage because we essentially lost any commonality - or shared beliefs. Everything and I mean everything was all of a sudden passing through her "energetic" lens. We didn't even have the same vocabulary anymore. I remember relaying a conflict I had with one of my business partners and her response was that I had experienced something in a past life that I needed to "clear" and thus I was attracting this conflict with my business partner to help me clear my past life. WTF?!?! With no shared vocabulary and no common ground, we just drifted apart. 2. Don't knock it until you try it: That being said, it wasn't that I was opposed to spirituality and an energetic view on life. It was just that her "conversion" (think finding Jesus in terms of magnitude) was just so abrupt, jarring and one sided that it really messed up our marriage. After our divorce I ended up falling in love with my now GF who is every bit as woo-woo as my ex. But we have built our relationship upon this energetic perspective and honestly, it works amazingly well. So i've delved into exploring it more and in many ways it works for me. It isn't all rose colored glasses and BS as you say. My path was through meditation - and being of a scientific mind, I found immediate and observable results. 3. Maybe they're right: Getting back to my original food story, just try on this - just open yourself to the possibility that there is something valid about what they're saying. That maybe, just maybe, they're right. Or at least not wrong. Just consider it. As for your gender comment - I have two ideas on this. The first is rather ordinary and that is that energy work goes hand in hand with activities that appeal more to women. Yoga. Meditation. And I would say just by nature women are more open to spirituality than men. Women also talk about this stuff with each other. We men really don't - we have football. The second idea is very woo-woo and that if you listen to many energy gurus these days they'll all say there is an energetic shift that is occurring and quickening globally. A move from a masculine energy existence to a feminine energy existence. Just as a FYI - that doesn't mean down with men and up with women. It is more the nature of the energy rather than the gender. That being said, if there really is a shift, it will first manifest with people with more feminine energy and that's women. Okay, long brain vomit. As a parting shot - when you do find a woman who is all woo-woo but is also knowledgeable and secure with it, I encourage you to have a genuine open and not condescending conversation about spirituality and energy. You might find it fascinating. So yes, try the garlic on the chicken - you might find that you like it. Edited August 17, 2015 by Mrin 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Rejected Rosebud Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I think if you're spending time talking with people it's best to listen to them and take what they are saying at face value. Why do you think these women couldn't really be interested in finding inner peace???:confused: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author LookAtThisPOst Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 I actually have a female friend that keeps that kind of talk on the downlow, depending on who she is talking to, be it a stranger or someone that perhaps may not be into it as much as she is. One time she brought a single lady friend to the movies with us, I asked about her and her availability, and she said, "She's way into that kind of stuff even moreso than I am...so she's likely not to be your type." She doesn't follow pop-culture, retro-culture or current events nor even a movie buff (but my female friend is), so she based our lack of compatibility on that which makes sense. Thoughts on the crystal worshipers anyone? OP's story in food: OMG what is it with women these days and the whole "seasoning" thing? I swear, it seems like every single woman I take out to dinner is all about "seasoning" her food. Just the other week I took this brunette to this chicken place. You know, where they roast chickens over a fire. Well, as soon as we get out chicken she broke out this stuff called "salt" and put it on her chicken. And then she used this other stuff called "garlic" and put it on too! What's up with that? I want my cooked chicken to taste like cooked chicken. What's with all of this stuff they're dumping on their food. They're crazy! Just yesterday I was at this burnt pork place and I saw this woman uncork this bottle of the most vile looking stuff you've ever seen. She called it "Barbecue Sauce". Insanity I tell you! Okay, with that being said I offer these thoughts: 1. I used to be like you. Well, sort of like you. But this whole energetic thing pretty much messed up my marriage. I'm not going to say it was The Cause but it was a contributing factor. My ex-wife went from a non-spiritual person to a full blown reiki hippie zen master in about two years. I say it screwed up our marriage because we essentially lost any commonality - or shared beliefs. Everything and I mean everything was all of a sudden passing through her "energetic" lens. We didn't even have the same vocabulary anymore. I remember relaying a conflict I had with one of my business partners and her response was that I had experienced something in a past life that I needed to "clear" and thus I was attracting this conflict with my business partner to help me clear my past life. WTF?!?! With no shared vocabulary and no common ground, we just drifted apart. 2. Don't knock it until you try it: That being said, it wasn't that I was opposed to spirituality and an energetic view on life. It was just that her "conversion" (think finding Jesus in terms of magnitude) was just so abrupt, jarring and one sided that it really messed up our marriage. After our divorce I ended up falling in love with my now GF who is every bit as woo-woo as my ex. But we have built our relationship upon this energetic perspective and honestly, it works amazingly well. So i've delved into exploring it more and in many ways it works for me. It isn't all rose colored glasses and BS as you say. My path was through meditation - and being of a scientific mind, I found immediate and observable results. 3. Maybe they're right: Getting back to my original food story, just try on this - just open yourself to the possibility that there is something valid about what they're saying. That maybe, just maybe, they're right. Or at least not wrong. Just consider it. As for your gender comment - I have two ideas on this. The first is rather ordinary and that is that energy work goes hand in hand with activities that appeal more to women. Yoga. Meditation. And I would say just by nature women are more open to spirituality than men. Women also talk about this stuff with each other. We men really don't - we have football. The second idea is very woo-woo and that if you listen to many energy gurus these days they'll all say there is an energetic shift that is occurring and quickening globally. A move from a masculine energy existence to a feminine energy existence. Just as a FYI - that doesn't mean down with men and up with women. It is more the nature of the energy rather than the gender. That being said, if there really is a shift, it will first manifest with people with more feminine energy and that's women. Okay, long brain vomit. As a parting shot - when you do find a woman who is all woo-woo but is also knowledgeable and secure with it, I encourage you to have a genuine open and not condescending conversation about spirituality and energy. You might find it fascinating. So yes, try the garlic on the chicken - you might find that you like it. Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 OP's story in food: OMG what is it with women these days and the whole "seasoning" thing? I swear, it seems like every single woman I take out to dinner is all about "seasoning" her food. Just the other week I took this brunette to this chicken place. You know, where they roast chickens over a fire. Well, as soon as we get out chicken she broke out this stuff called "salt" and put it on her chicken. And then she used this other stuff called "garlic" and put it on too! What's up with that? I want my cooked chicken to taste like cooked chicken. What's with all of this stuff they're dumping on their food. They're crazy! Just yesterday I was at this burnt pork place and I saw this woman uncork this bottle of the most vile looking stuff you've ever seen. She called it "Barbecue Sauce". Insanity I tell you! Okay, with that being said I offer these thoughts: 1. I used to be like you. Well, sort of like you. But this whole energetic thing pretty much messed up my marriage. I'm not going to say it was The Cause but it was a contributing factor. My ex-wife went from a non-spiritual person to a full blown reiki hippie zen master in about two years. I say it screwed up our marriage because we essentially lost any commonality - or shared beliefs. Everything and I mean everything was all of a sudden passing through her "energetic" lens. We didn't even have the same vocabulary anymore. I remember relaying a conflict I had with one of my business partners and her response was that I had experienced something in a past life that I needed to "clear" and thus I was attracting this conflict with my business partner to help me clear my past life. WTF?!?! With no shared vocabulary and no common ground, we just drifted apart. 2. Don't knock it until you try it: That being said, it wasn't that I was opposed to spirituality and an energetic view on life. It was just that her "conversion" (think finding Jesus in terms of magnitude) was just so abrupt, jarring and one sided that it really messed up our marriage. After our divorce I ended up falling in love with my now GF who is every bit as woo-woo as my ex. But we have built our relationship upon this energetic perspective and honestly, it works amazingly well. So i've delved into exploring it more and in many ways it works for me. It isn't all rose colored glasses and BS as you say. My path was through meditation - and being of a scientific mind, I found immediate and observable results. 3. Maybe they're right: Getting back to my original food story, just try on this - just open yourself to the possibility that there is something valid about what they're saying. That maybe, just maybe, they're right. Or at least not wrong. Just consider it. As for your gender comment - I have two ideas on this. The first is rather ordinary and that is that energy work goes hand in hand with activities that appeal more to women. Yoga. Meditation. And I would say just by nature women are more open to spirituality than men. Women also talk about this stuff with each other. We men really don't - we have football. The second idea is very woo-woo and that if you listen to many energy gurus these days they'll all say there is an energetic shift that is occurring and quickening globally. A move from a masculine energy existence to a feminine energy existence. Just as a FYI - that doesn't mean down with men and up with women. It is more the nature of the energy rather than the gender. That being said, if there really is a shift, it will first manifest with people with more feminine energy and that's women. Okay, long brain vomit. As a parting shot - when you do find a woman who is all woo-woo but is also knowledgeable and secure with it, I encourage you to have a genuine open and not condescending conversation about spirituality and energy. You might find it fascinating. So yes, try the garlic on the chicken - you might find that you like it. Great post. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thoughts on the crystal worshipers anyone? Sounds like a form of idol worship. Here is what King David had to say. I would recommend to stay away from any occult practices. I do think things like Yoga/deep breathing are fine as physical activities, but I wouldn't use them to channel or hone spiritual "energy." Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 This can also get into a lot of odd religious questions. For example, some might consider worshiping Mary just as ridiculous as worshiping a crystal. A crystal is an object, and Mary was an ordinary human being. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 When people talk about energy fields, inner peace etc...it's going to be difficult for them to avoid sounding like cranks. Or faddish, silly etc. But, I certainly do think that people will give off positive or negative energy....and that you can walk into a place and get a good or bad feeling from it, which is much the same. When somebody is building up a business like a bar or a restaurant, they're going to be very focused on the "energy" the place and the staff give off...because that's a big part of making the business successful. That's not cranky or new agey. It's about realising that if you want to make a fun or pleasure focused place work, you have to give people a good feeling about the place and the other people in it. Then there's stuff like Feng Shui, which people laugh at - but that actually contains a lot of common sense principles and assists a sense of harmony and beauty in an environment. People spend a lot of time and money creating that sense of harmony and comfort in their homes...and I think being too sneering about that sort of thing could be short sighted. So while the terminology used for this kind of thing can often make people sound new agey and faddish, I think the underlying principle of striving for harmony and beauty is not. I think it's part and parcel of knowing how to live well 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Then there's stuff like Feng Shui, which people laugh at - but that actually contains a lot of common sense principles and assists a sense of harmony and beauty in an environment. People spend a lot of time and money creating that sense of harmony and comfort in their homes...and I think being too sneering about that sort of thing could be short sighted. So while the terminology used for this kind of thing can often make people sound new agey and faddish, I think the underlying principle of striving for harmony and beauty is not. I think it's part and parcel of knowing how to live well There are many interesting practices to learn about from around the world. And some things that have been practiced for hundreds of years most likely have some kind of benefit. Acupuncture, yoga, herbal medicines, Feng Shui, massage, sauna. These may have many positive effects in our physical and emotional well-being. But I think it's pretty easy to distinguish between someone who is genuinely searching for peace and harmony, and someone who has jumped on a metaphysical bandwagon (in modern American culture). The latter seem not to be looking for peace, but rather seem to be looking for attention by breaking away from the "norm", yearning for recognition as unique and "superior" (having "found" something others don't really know too much about), and have a focus on the image they project rather than the true meaning of what they practice. Again, I do think there are genuine soul-searchers out there. But they seem easy to tell from the others. Personally, as a Christian, the hard part to take is those who lambaste Jesus (a major proponent of peace and harmony) and his followers, while touting the wonders of Hindu Gods or Buddha. To each his own, but I would hope the people with such strong anti-Jesus opinions have well-informed reasons behind those feelings. Edited August 21, 2015 by pie2 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author LookAtThisPOst Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Personally, as a Christian, the hard part to take is those who lambaste Jesus (a major proponent of peace and harmony) and his followers, while touting the wonders of Hindu Gods or Buddha. Yeah, because for one, it's an Eastern/Asian culture and now we have Americans taking on these interests because of the fad of doing so. Link to post Share on other sites
craw Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 This is by far the most bizarre reply on here. Couldn't accept his wife's new outlook on life, meets a woman with the exact same outlook. Wtf? OP's story in food: OMG what is it with women these days and the whole "seasoning" thing? I swear, it seems like every single woman I take out to dinner is all about "seasoning" her food. Just the other week I took this brunette to this chicken place. You know, where they roast chickens over a fire. Well, as soon as we get out chicken she broke out this stuff called "salt" and put it on her chicken. And then she used this other stuff called "garlic" and put it on too! What's up with that? I want my cooked chicken to taste like cooked chicken. What's with all of this stuff they're dumping on their food. They're crazy! Just yesterday I was at this burnt pork place and I saw this woman uncork this bottle of the most vile looking stuff you've ever seen. She called it "Barbecue Sauce". Insanity I tell you! Okay, with that being said I offer these thoughts: 1. I used to be like you. Well, sort of like you. But this whole energetic thing pretty much messed up my marriage. I'm not going to say it was The Cause but it was a contributing factor. My ex-wife went from a non-spiritual person to a full blown reiki hippie zen master in about two years. I say it screwed up our marriage because we essentially lost any commonality - or shared beliefs. Everything and I mean everything was all of a sudden passing through her "energetic" lens. We didn't even have the same vocabulary anymore. I remember relaying a conflict I had with one of my business partners and her response was that I had experienced something in a past life that I needed to "clear" and thus I was attracting this conflict with my business partner to help me clear my past life. WTF?!?! With no shared vocabulary and no common ground, we just drifted apart. 2. Don't knock it until you try it: That being said, it wasn't that I was opposed to spirituality and an energetic view on life. It was just that her "conversion" (think finding Jesus in terms of magnitude) was just so abrupt, jarring and one sided that it really messed up our marriage. After our divorce I ended up falling in love with my now GF who is every bit as woo-woo as my ex. But we have built our relationship upon this energetic perspective and honestly, it works amazingly well. So i've delved into exploring it more and in many ways it works for me. It isn't all rose colored glasses and BS as you say. My path was through meditation - and being of a scientific mind, I found immediate and observable results. 3. Maybe they're right: Getting back to my original food story, just try on this - just open yourself to the possibility that there is something valid about what they're saying. That maybe, just maybe, they're right. Or at least not wrong. Just consider it. As for your gender comment - I have two ideas on this. The first is rather ordinary and that is that energy work goes hand in hand with activities that appeal more to women. Yoga. Meditation. And I would say just by nature women are more open to spirituality than men. Women also talk about this stuff with each other. We men really don't - we have football. The second idea is very woo-woo and that if you listen to many energy gurus these days they'll all say there is an energetic shift that is occurring and quickening globally. A move from a masculine energy existence to a feminine energy existence. Just as a FYI - that doesn't mean down with men and up with women. It is more the nature of the energy rather than the gender. That being said, if there really is a shift, it will first manifest with people with more feminine energy and that's women. Okay, long brain vomit. As a parting shot - when you do find a woman who is all woo-woo but is also knowledgeable and secure with it, I encourage you to have a genuine open and not condescending conversation about spirituality and energy. You might find it fascinating. So yes, try the garlic on the chicken - you might find that you like it. Link to post Share on other sites
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