Dating a woman who has slept around....

[Hopeful30]

See, men have reservations about women who sleep around, yet women like me who have had very few lovers and doesn't party barely meets any decent men.

 

How is this possible?

 

You're probably just looking in all the wrong places, or you have a really sh*tty promiscuous detector. I can spot a woman like that from miles away. It's so obvious. For the record, women who have good body language and carry themselves well haven't necessarily slept around. Men are always surprised when they find out my number (I'm 26, 4 lovers total) because they say the same, I seem sexually confident.

 

But that's because I know what I'm worth and I know what I've got. I don't just give it to any guy. But I'm still surprised that women who sleep around a LOT get decent boyfriends, and yet the good chunk of us are always lonely and wondering why men love very promiscuous women (maybe cuz we are harder to get?)

 

Sorry, had to vent. I haven't had sex in over a year.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Hopeful30

[Justanaverageguy]

Your logic is akin to the "nobody goes there anymore because it is too crowded" Yogi Berra joke. Yes, excessive population growth can be a threat to a standard of living, and resource shortages can curb populations in a painful way. But a high population growth in a species is not a sign that it is a "dodo waiting to happen." Just the opposite.

 

This is kind of off topic from the main thread .... dodo might be extreme way to put it. Growth is only sustainable to a point - when something grows past sustainability you get a correction. Sometimes a big one. We are already globally past that sustainable point. A correction will come either by us changing our growth or our environment will change it for us.

 

What happens in poor super high density populations with limited resources and limited ability to source fresh food and water directly if there there is a significant event that prevents their import. Imagine even a non lethal event like huge solar flar that took out power globally. It would take weeks to restore even in developed nations. What would happen ? What happens if oil runs out or a war prevents its export for an extended period??

[Revolver]

I've had promiscuous female friends/acquaintances and it hasn't done a damn thing for me in my lifetime. It's only when it's time to settle down and start a family that they look for other types of guys or reformed players

 

So for the most part if you're not a player you really don't have to worry about datint a girl who is "sleeping around"

Edited August 28, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
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[deadelvis]

I'm currently in the middle of what appears to be a breakup with my girlfriend because of her past promiscuity. Apparently it's too much for me to handle that she has been with 40-50 men, most being one night stands or guys she met off of hookup websites. She's prostituted herself for money, she's had sex with multiple men at the same time, she's been to orgies and sex parties, she's had sex with several men who were way older than her, she had extremely rough and forceful sex with complete strangers, anal on the first date, BDSM with old men, hell... she once gave a random stranger a handjob at a bus station because she was bored.

 

Now I have been no angel, I've had sex with nearly as many people as her, but our attitudes about sex are so much different. I think I wanted her to feel some kind of regret about her past decisions, but she feels none. Her only regret is not doing more crazy stuff back when she was single. I had hoped she would explain things to me in a way that made me feel comfortable rather than concerned, but that hasn't been the case. I think I was hoping she would say something like "I was going through a difficult time then, I was off my meds and drinking heavily and I made some mistakes that I'm not proud of, I have regrets about my past and I feel ashamed of some of the things I've done" however her actually reply is more like "I have no regrets about anything I've done. I loved every minute of it and my only regret is that I never got gangbanged when I had the chance"

 

Now, clearly this is not the type of thing that sits well with most guys. We view our partner as someone who we want to be proud of, and feeling like your partner is loose, dirty or promiscuous does not leave a good feeling in your gut. It's been really hard on my ego dating a woman with a bad reputation. I find it really difficult to be proud of her, and I find myself dreading social situations where I will have to interact with her former sex partners or people who know about her past. It's embarrassing for me. Yet she feels no remorse. She actually seems proud of her past.

 

Of course as we've been fighting (breaking up?) she accuses me of having a double standard and judging her unfairly for her past. And admittedly she's been a great partner so far and aside from me always feeling disgusted by her sexual attitude and past experiences, we've had an amazing relationship. But I just can't seem to get over her past. I don't care that she's had boyfriends, or even that she's had FWB's and ONS's. What bothers me is her detached and extremely promiscuous attitudes about sex. I could even look past the specific things she's done, especially if it seemed like she actually regretted thos things or had matured from the person she was then. But I don't think she's changed. I think she has the exact same loose, flippant attitude about sex that she always had, only now she has a boyfriend so she isn't out engaging in those types of behaviors anymore. But it makes me uncomfortable knowing that she's "that type of girl". I just can't seem to get over it.

 

Perhaps if her past could stay buried and it wasn't constantly resurfacing we could have made this relationship work. But as things stand, it looks like we've finally reached the end. She can't change her past, and I realize that, but more importantly, I can't change her feelings about her past. I will always see the things she did in the past as dirty and disgusting, and she will always see those experiences as fun and exciting, and that difference of values has essentially destroyed our relationship.

 

Sometimes it's not as much about the things you've done in your life, but the way you feel about it now. I have done things I'm not proud of, but I regret those things now. If I was proud of the terrible things I've done in my life, I would also expect her to be appalled. I could look past her sexually history, but what I can't get past is having a long term partner who views sex in such a different way than me. In a way that I see as immoral and dirty. Maybe she will find a guy who is turned on by her promiscuous attitude about sex, but that guy certainly isn't me. And maybe I will find a woman who has normal sexual boundaries and doesn't see things like selling her body to a 75 year old man for $1000 as fun and exciting.

 

I love her, but I do not love her past. And I do not enjoy being in a relationship with someone who has "questionable moral boundaries" when it comes to sex. She's been a great partner otherwise, but at this point, I feel like her past, her feelings about sex and her overall promiscuous attitude have driven a wedge between us. She however feels that my "obsession" with her past, my constant judgement of her life choices and my double standards about female sexuality have driven a wedge between us. I don't think this is something we will be able to reconcile.

[Justanaverageguy]

I've had promiscuous female friends/acquaintances and it hasn't done a damn thing for me in my lifetime. It's only when it's time to settle down and start a family that they look for other types of guys or reformed players

 

So for the most part if you're not a player you really don't have to worry about datint a girl who is "sleeping around"

 

Yes exactly some females have this really clever idea of sleeping around with loads of cool guys when they are young and its fun to do so. Then when they get older and want kids they settle down and want something more serious they find a steady dependable guy who thinks they are innocent angel who only had sex with one other boyfriend before them. Somehow she seems to know how to act like a porn star between the sheets .... but hey I guess he just got lucky.

Edited August 28, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[mr_dave]

See, men have reservations about women who sleep around, yet women like me who have had very few lovers and doesn't party barely meets any decent men.

 

How is this possible?

 

You're probably just looking in all the wrong places, or you have a really sh*tty promiscuous detector. I can spot a woman like that from miles away. It's so obvious. For the record, women who have good body language and carry themselves well haven't necessarily slept around. Men are always surprised when they find out my number (I'm 26, 4 lovers total) because they say the same, I seem sexually confident.

 

But that's because I know what I'm worth and I know what I've got. I don't just give it to any guy. But I'm still surprised that women who sleep around a LOT get decent boyfriends, and yet the good chunk of us are always lonely and wondering why men love very promiscuous women (maybe cuz we are harder to get?)

 

Sorry, had to vent. I haven't had sex in over a year.

 

Please could you give us similarly minded guys some tips on how to detect them? Also, would you say you are in the minority amongst your peers regarding your attitude towards sex? It's possible that the good guys you complain the promiscuous girls are landing as boyfriends have been hoodwinked by them, or just can't tell. I think a minority won't care..

[giblesp]

I used to get jealous about a girlfriends past. Now I get turned on by what a naughty girl she's been.

 

Awesome...

[Hopeful30]

Please could you give us similarly minded guys some tips on how to detect them? Also, would you say you are in the minority amongst your peers regarding your attitude towards sex? It's possible that the good guys you complain the promiscuous girls are landing as boyfriends have been hoodwinked by them, or just can't tell. I think a minority won't care..

 

 

Well for one, don't assume just because a woman is beautiful and confident that she has a boyfriend or a line of sex-partners lined up. Chances are none of that is true (because everyone else assumes it is, so everyone leaves her alone, thus no boyfriend or sex partners).

 

I would say that my attitude towards sex is very different than most. I've never had a one night stand. The idea disgusts me. I mean...you're literally putting a stranger INSIDE your body. That's gross (sorry, just my opinion). I need to get to know a guy at least enough to understand how he sees the world, and based on that I will decide if he's worthy enough to sleep with (again, sorry but that's just the way I am).

 

You can tell a lot about a woman by her history. Now I know I'm going to get lots of negative feedback based on this comment, but do you really expect a woman who has treated her body so carelessly to suddenly be careful about who she sleeps with? Chances are that's just the kind of person she is, and she will continue to be that way. Nothing WRONG with being this way of course, but if you don't want a promiscuous woman, look for someone who hasn't dated half the people you know, and make sure your social circles don't know the intimate beauty marks on her private areas.

 

Also look at her friends. If all of her friends are like that, either she enjoys being in the company of such people or she is like that herself. I had one friend who was very sl*tty (pardon the language) and everyone assumed I was the same. They were all very surprised when they found out I wasn't. Again, judging by who I was hanging out with. That being said, it's not 100% accurate because we all have that one friend who can't keep her legs closed, but the environment she CHOOSES to immerse herself in will definitely give you insight (both on what she is comfortable with and what she is seeking).

 

That's why I mentioned earlier to try bookstores or charity events. Places where women are focusing on THEMSELVES, reading books they like, supporting causes they think are important. These kinds of women (and men by the way) find value in these things, and so they more than likely won't be the kind of person who will use themselves -- they have more important things to focus on than masking their insecurities.

 

Didn't realize I wrote so much, but hope this helps! Nothing is 100% accurate, but these things are better indicators of a woman's attitudes toward herself (a.k.a sex).

 

Also look at how she treats herself. Is she good to her body? Does she eats crap food? Does she drink excessively and smoke? The way a woman treats herself will be the way she treats you (after all, does she know any other way of being?) Speak with her even for 5 minutes and you will be able to tell how much worth she holds for herself, and based on that you can immediately tell how promiscuous she is (again, generally).

 

It sounds very Freudian but I've met hundreds of women in my lifetime, and insofar, those that have low self worth (and daddy issues) are the cheaters and sleep-arounders, and those that have a healthy relationship with their dad, who value themselves and who are picky (yes picky) are more likely to hold out for the right guy.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Hopeful30

[BlueIris]

Yes exactly some females have this really clever idea of sleeping around with loads of cool guys when they are young and its fun to do so. Then when they get older and want kids they settle down and want something more serious they find a steady dependable guy who thinks they are innocent angel who only had sex with one other boyfriend before them.

 

Men do the same thing and have forever. It used to be called "sowing your oats and then settling down."

 

It's a pity if some men need an "innocent angel" fantasy to love a woman. I wonder if their fantasies affect their ability to see and understand their wives in other ways too throughout the marriage.

[Ruby Slippers]

It sounds very Freudian but I've met hundreds of women in my lifetime, and insofar, those that have low self worth (and daddy issues) are the cheaters and sleep-arounders, and those that have a healthy relationship with their dad, who value themselves and who are picky (yes picky) are more likely to hold out for the right guy.

I have a terrible father, had a bad upbringing, and I'm one of the most sexually conservative women I know, with less than a dozen partners at 39, most in long-term relationships.

 

I know two women who are extremely promiscuous (hundreds of partners, one of them cheats constantly), and they both come from loving, stable families with doting fathers. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

For me, my background instilled a lot of insecurity, so I feel I have to work harder than most to make sure I'm safe and secure. That means I'm very selective about whom I let into my bed and my body.

[Hopeful30]

Men do the same thing and have forever. It used to be called "sowing your oats and then settling down."

 

It's a pity if some men need an "innocent angel" fantasy to love a woman. I wonder if their fantasies affect their ability to see and understand their wives in other ways too throughout the marriage.

 

A fantasy? Are you saying every woman has slept around and is fiesty? These "angelic" good girls exist you know, and there is nothing wrong with wanting one.

[GoodOnPaper]

So for the most part if you're not a player you really don't have to worry about datint a girl who is "sleeping around"

 

I would think this as well. I am a low-numbers guy and I can't imagine that any woman would be living a lifestyle that I'm compatible with while racking up numbers in the dozens and hundreds.

[BlueIris]

A fantasy? Are you saying every woman has slept around and is fiesty? These "angelic" good girls exist you know, and there is nothing wrong with wanting one.

 

"Innocent angel" (what you said) is a fantasy. Angels are not real. Well, some people believe in them. But people aren't angels. That's fantasy. So is pure innocence.

 

This isn’t new stuff: Virtue, innocence.

Explanation of Hamlet recitation

But Hamlet was nuts.

[Hopeful30]

"Innocent angel" (what you said) is a fantasy. Angels are not real. Well, some people believe in them. But people aren't angels. That's fantasy. So is pure innocence. .

 

I thought you used the word in the conventional sense, angel like a very good girl.

 

Although when it comes to sex, there are virgins well into their 30's, so technically this exists too

[Keenly]

Men do the same thing and have forever. It used to be called "sowing your oats and then settling down."

 

It's a pity if some men need an "innocent angel" fantasy to love a woman. I wonder if their fantasies affect their ability to see and understand their wives in other ways too throughout the marriage.

 

Why is it a pity for a man to expect the same he brings?

[autumnnight]

Why is it a pity for a man to expect the same he brings?

 

I think part of the issue in this thread is that lots of men expect what they DON'T bring. In other words, they want a good girl, while they themselves sowed lots and lots of oats.

[elaine567]

I think part of the issue in this thread is that lots of men expect what they DON'T bring. In other words, they want a good girl, while they themselves sowed lots and lots of oats.

 

...and they believe they were totally entitled to them too, but they still deserve their "angel", of course they do.

 

She, unsullied and chaste - that is, until she realises she completely missed out in her life, and dumps them forthwith to pursue greener grass.

[GoodOnPaper]

I think part of the issue in this thread is that lots of men expect what they DON'T bring. In other words, they want a good girl, while they themselves sowed lots and lots of oats.

 

So it's a good thing if a man has a low number?? I thought that was a sign of being undesirable. Does that mean "good girls" are also undesirable? I don't think that's the case. There are different value systems at work with men and women.

 

So, for men to be entitled to "good girls", the men must be desirable enough to rack up high numbers if they want, but they don't out of self-restraint . . . that's going to be a pretty difficult thing to figure out as a guy is chatting you up over a drink.

[jay1983]

So it's a good thing if a man has a low number?? I thought that was a sign of being undesirable. Does that mean "good girls" are also undesirable? I don't think that's the case. There are different value systems at work with men and women.

 

So, for men to be entitled to "good girls", the men must be desirable enough to rack up high numbers if they want, but they don't out of self-restraint . . . that's going to be a pretty difficult thing to figure out as a guy is chatting you up over a drink.

 

They've been denying this for 23 pages. I know some ladies maybe telling the truth, but that's not the norm.

[Shepp]

What if they left her come sunrise? or just hit it but had no intention of staying with a promiscuous woman, like many posters in this thread? then who's the joke on?

 

Them, if they didn't know what chance they had when they had it. She is beautiful, strong, funny, creative, loyal, full of adventure, endlessly annoying and completely captivating.. And if they didn't see that then they were blind, they lost and I won and jokes on them.. Even more so probably.

 

That said I knew her for a long time prior to being a couple, I know it was usually her to call time, Id feel comfortable betting a lot of guys would of taken more if they could of got it.

It doesn't really matter anyway, after all it's simply about perception, it's these guys heads destroying the relationship not what their girl did before she met them. Bottom line is I honestly believe if she thought any of these other guys was worth keeping - she's still have him!

And it doesn't matter what they say, of what look they want to give me, because I don't care what they think, I believe it to be true!

[ironpony]

I am 31 and my current gf has had about 20 partners she said, but I didn't have a problem with it, and thought it was okay. I myself have had about 40 before.

 

The only time I hever felt uncomfortable with a woman's number of partners is once I went out with a 21 year old, who has been with over 60 she said. That's kind of higher than usual, but I think in your case with this girl, that number is completely fine.

[Imported]

So it's a good thing if a man has a low number?? I thought that was a sign of being undesirable. Does that mean "good girls" are also undesirable? I don't think that's the case. There are different value systems at work with men and women.

 

 

This is just the internet. People say whatever here. What they do is something else.

 

 

 

So, for men to be entitled to "good girls", the men must be desirable enough to rack up high numbers if they want, but they don't out of self-restraint . . . that's going to be a pretty difficult thing to figure out as a guy is chatting you up over a drink.

 

Nah, most women are pretty understanding.

[Woggle]

Nothing wrong with a woman who sowed her wild oats but it seems that when she wants to settle down the husband material guy never gets to see that side of her. He is lucky if he gets pity sex once a week. If these women would bring out the freak with their husbands then more men would be all for marrying them.

[deadelvis]

Nothing wrong with a woman who sowed her wild oats but it seems that when she wants to settle down the husband material guy never gets to see that side of her. He is lucky if he gets pity sex once a week. If these women would bring out the freak with their husbands then more men would be all for marrying them.

 

This could not be more true. Amen.

[Two Pump Chump]

Then when they get older and want kids they settle down and want something more serious they find a steady dependable guy who thinks they are innocent angel who only had sex with one other boyfriend before them.

 

Disclaimer: I violated the LS requirement to list out in pain staking detail every single exception there is to the rule and not focusing on the extreme / worst case scenario. I apologize in advance for those of you who are offended by generalities and what most is "the norm" for the rest of us.

 

You are only looking at this from YOUR point of view. Based on your name and what you wrote, I am going to walk out on a strong limb and bet that you had / having a difficult time of it with the ladies in your 20s.

 

Truth is, a lot of men do exactly the same thing (or wish they could). Usually it's the "Betas" / "Nice Guys" / "Pajama Boys" who focus on / worry about this which I will explain why in a minute.

 

Guys

 

Dating / relationships in your early to mid 20s can be a very frustrating time / experience.

 

For a lot of Males (including many "Betas" / "Nice Guys"), around their mid to late 20s you acquire confidence, get comfortable in their own skin, move up in their careers, have a higher income, refine / master their dating skills, etc and become a Man. Assuming of course you invested time / energy / effort on yourself, your self-confidence, self-worth, self-respect and learned from your successes and failures with women / life.

 

Once this happens, you will naturally stop trying to "prove yourself", trying to hard, will not directly or indirectly present yourself or be the loser who is okay with the "friendzone" or her "Gay Best Friend", etc.

 

There is a large group of Guys who Choose To Fail

 

Their is a large group of guys who choose to fail and they all do the exact same thing. Instead of growing / developing into a Authentic Male, these idiots double down on "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy".

 

No matter what, they will ignore what is clear to see and what has worked since men and women have walked the earth. The will continue to choose "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" because of a 1 in a million "exception to the rule". They will ignore the bad results it has produced for them and their like minded friends since they were 14 years old (barely any interest from the opposite sex, never dated, getting friendzoned 98% of the time, used, abused, cheated on, dumped, etc).

 

I don't even know how to talk to these guys. They are in complete denial and will even blame the opposite sex. Not to mention, the audacity to demand "the rules" should change and women should start asking men out and actually think that will happen / work for them in-spite of the fact they couldn't buy a date for the last 10 - 20 years.

 

Women

 

Yes, as a general rule women in their teens / 20s have the world by the tail. They look their best, get the most attention, have a huge dating pool of suitors (younger, same age, older, much older) pursing them.

 

Yes, many women who had bad BF pickers or went through a "bad boy phase" (their is also a male version of this too) generally do look for better partners as they get older just like many men do. It's normal / expected for most men and women to want something longer lasting / permanent.

 

Aside from the normal factors that play into that for both men and women, "partying" gets old, maturity, wanting something "more", etc. women have several other "factors" too. They have a "clock ticking", they have far more peer pressure then men do, they are about to be / on the downside of their looks, as they reach their late 20s / early 30s their dating pool and quality suitors shrinks either due to eligible men their age or older are in relationships / married and competition with younger women. Yes, women in their late 20s / early 30s can and do date younger men but generally speaking, those men are not looking for a long lasting relationship / marriage / kids / etc.

 

The Men who "Slut Shame"

 

In my 40+ years on this earth, most of the guys who "slut shame" are all cut out of the same cloth and do it for all the same reasons (excluding Dad's / Brothers / etc. who think it will benefit their Daughters / Sisters / etc. to hear it).

 

For many Men who were not very successful in their their early to mid 20s as I stated earlier the tables do turn or at the very least become more "level" as you get older. The "Average Guy" / "Beta" / "Nice Guy" dating pool increases (women your age, older, younger, etc) either because you grew into a Authentic Man or simply because you are a desired high value commodity because you have something to "offer" that women who are looking to settle down. Many "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" is now in his "prime" and gets to experience what a 20 something / teen woman does.

 

It's the "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" who gets all bent out of shape and worked up on what women do or don't do in their teens / 20s. For many, part of it is due to being "friendzoned" and "Gay Best Friends" with women who dated "Alphas" or having to deal with all the crap / mistreatment / abuse from all the aholes they dated while in their "Bad Boys Phase".

 

The main reason, these "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" guys know their only prayer to get a GF / Wife is when they are older. They see themselves as "chairs" and imagine women playing "Musical Chairs". They seek out and present themselves as "chairs" to woman for whom the "music stopped" (for good / normal reasons and even the ones who have little choice and looking to settle).

 

These "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" guys see themselves as "Captain Save A Ho" because they never developed into Authentic Men, have any self-worth, self-respect and let's face it, due to that don't have options. Some get lucky and a run into a good one. However, most are so insecure they can't resist being "Captain Save A Ho" and end up with one. For him, that is "his value" and knows damn well that is why his "ho" is with him and perfectly fine knowing she is "settling". After all, he is going to "love" and be so "Nice" to her that she will never want to leave. That is why they get all worked up and lose their minds over what a girl does and doesn't do. It's understandable that his preference is they don't have as many "miles" and wear and tear since he is "stuck" doing the maintenance, damage control and paying for the "repairs".

 

Men with self-respect, self-worth aren't "stuck" with whatever woman will have him. They have many choices and options and choose wisely. A woman with a truckload of "baggage" and screwed 200 "Bad Boys" throughout her 20s isn't one of them.

 

Being an equal opportunity offender, there is female version of "Captain Save A Ho" too. For a lot of women, it's just a "phase" but for some they never grow out of it just like some "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" guys don't.

 

Your Results May Vary

 

Do Promiscuous Males or Females make good life partners?

 

Based on what my friends (male and female) and I have experience and seen... There are two very different types of Promiscuous.

 

1. Women and Men who "Sowed their Wild Oats" NORMALLY for a short period of time (not their entire 20s) while young, after a divorce if you married young, etc.

 

If you fall into this group, you and everyone knows what it was and why you did it. There is no "ick" factor with men or women you would date who are more "reserved" or "cavalier" than you were.

 

It is possible for someone who falls into this group to pick up some "baggage" (see below for examples). Depending on the amount of said "baggage" these people can / do make good partners.

 

Results: Based on what my friends and I have seen the last 30 / 40+ years these marriages have lasted in line with the national average. The ones that did divorce was usually due to falling out of love or growing apart. There were only a small number that resulted from infidelity.

 

2. "Charlie Sheens" and "Lindsey Lohans".

 

Both have more issues than National Geographic. Examples: Has no clue what love is (thinks it's infatuation or lust), STDs, kids, addiction issues (drugs, drinking, sex, porn, etc), deadbeats, divorces, DUIs, require professional help for mental and emotional issues, debt / broke / money issues, career / job issues, impulse control issues, paying for crimes you didn't commit, man / woman hater, bitter, serial cheater, etc.

 

Results: Based on what my friends and I have seen the last 30 / 40+ years 100% of these marriages have ended in divorce and it was Jerry Springer World throughout the relationship, marriage, divorce and post-divorce. In 100% of the relationships / marriages there was cheating or infidelity.

 

50% were a "Charlie Sheen" with a "Lindsey Lohan". (No explanation required)

 

40% were a "Lindsey Lohan" settling with a "Captain Save A Ho" / "Beta" / "Nice Guy" / "Pajama Boy" and 100% of time he was treated worse than the dog crap you scrape of the bottom of your shoe and cheated on him dozens of times with various men before she finally put him out of his misery and left him for a "Charlie Sheen" and ruined him financially in the process.

 

10% were a "Lindsey Lohan" trying to be a "Captain Save A Ho" with a "Bad Boy" she thought she could change. 100% he cheated on her dozens of times with various women before he finally put her out of her misery and left her for another woman or "Captain Save A Ho".

Edited August 28, 2015 by Two Pump Chump