Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Pleasure. Joy. Fulfillment. You can experience all of that without attachment. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 You can experience all of that without attachment. I personally experience these most from attachment. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I personally experience these most from attachment. YMMV. The only things attachment can bring to a relationship is fear, negative emotions, jealousy, envy, possessiveness, control, boundaries, drama, work and compromise. That's it. All the positives can be experienced without attachment. Link to post Share on other sites
Tobin Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The only things attachment can bring to a relationship is fear, negative emotions, jealousy, envy, possessiveness, control, boundaries, drama, work and compromise. That's it. All the positives can be experienced without attachment. Attachment isn't always voluntary you know. You spend 10 or 20 years with them, you have sex and intimacy, you share thoughts and feelings, you lean on them for support and you support them- sometimes attachment just sort of happens. We're not emotionless robots. At least, most of us aren't. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The only things attachment can bring to a relationship is fear, negative emotions, jealousy, envy, possessiveness, control, boundaries, drama, work and compromise. That's it. All the positives can be experienced without attachment. Babies wouldn't survive without attachment. Link to post Share on other sites
Stage5Clinger Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The only things attachment can bring to a relationship is fear, negative emotions, jealousy, envy, possessiveness, control, boundaries, drama, work and compromise. That's it. All the positives can be experienced without attachment. You must really like masterbating. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Attachment isn't always voluntary you know. You spend 10 or 20 years with them, you have sex and intimacy, you share thoughts and feelings, you lean on them for support and you support them- sometimes attachment just sort of happens. We're not emotionless robots. At least, most of us aren't. The ultimate level of life is when you no longer require any of that anymore. Attached people would disagree though... because they're attached. Link to post Share on other sites
Celeste.Carol Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The ultimate level of life is when you no longer require any of that anymore. Attached people would disagree though... because they're attached. That is like saying a coke head is having the ultimate euphoric, and a non coke head would disagree. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Babies wouldn't survive without attachment. Having children is not relevant in modern society. The purpose for having children is: 1. Survival of the species 2. Ensuring the survival of the tribe. 3. Cheap labour for the tribe. 4. Being social was necessary for survival Anything else we are told is a lie that keeps all of your behaviour predictable. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Having children is not relevant in modern society. The purpose for having children is: 1. Survival of the species 2. Ensuring the survival of the tribe. 3. Cheap labour for the tribe. 4. Being social was necessary for survival Anything else we are told is a lie that keeps all of your behaviour predictable. People do not need to be told to reproduce It's a natural byproduct of an extremely strong drive. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 That is like saying a coke head is having the ultimate euphoric, and a non coke head would disagree. Yes people are addicted to their attachments. They are addicted to their illusions because it makes them feel better. For example ‘Loneliness’ is just a man-made word/label that has a man-made meaning/emotion attached to it and is only applicable within the Matrix (false reality). In true reality it doesn't exist. ‘Fear of being lonely’ or ‘fear of being/ending up alone’ are man-made concepts/constructs created to keep the masses under control where they can be easily manipulated. There is also a massive amount of commerce/industry that rely on you believing it and staying in the Matrix. Being with other people isn't the cure, it's just a band-aid and only treats the fake symptom. So, when you give up fear, attachment, and the illusion of the Matrix you're not bound by those constructs any longer…you're free. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrGray25 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 People do not need to be told to reproduce It's a natural byproduct of an extremely strong drive. I have a drive to impregnate attractive women, but that's about it. Now that I am aware of what I know now, I am very in touch in what it means to be a man sexually. In the moment I am with a woman I find at least some way attractive, I notice a drive in me to flirt and to be a bit naughty and see her reactions to me and enjoy the process of it. I know that I would never be attached to such a thing though. When you're in tune with yourself so much like this, it is impossible for a man to be in a committed relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
Stage5Clinger Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Having children is not relevant in modern society. Yes, that's true. I'm sure society will continue and thrive for hundreds of years without reproduction. This is a solid theory. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Shepp Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Committed relationships work for everyone. Always. - hey I'm in one, I said it, so there we are it must be true for everyone cause the world revolves around me and my opinion, right? Cut me a break! Not really, it's a common robotic response from an attached human who doesn't realise that dating and relationships is a very low level of life. Robotic? Whats robotic is trying to break the love & dedication that exists into some sciency list of the biological purpose of relationships. People are way more emotionally lead than the cavemen satisfying only his biological purpose than you'd like to believe. Why decorate your house? It makes it no drier. Why play sport? It just expends energy. Why eat nice food? You could live on rice and beans. Fact is that's not down to... 'media' or 'advertising' and if you honestly believe that then I feel sorry for you! I feel bad for anyone who'll doenst live life with a little bit of faith, and risk, and love cause else what's the point of living it at all. My life isn't about survival of mankind, or cheap labour for the tribe, its about leading the lads on the footie pitch, cuddles with my dogs, Christmas, fishing out on my boat with my bro, going to work and knowing theres people alive today because of a team i'm a part of, mums roast dinner, reading bedtime stories to my kids, and about my beautiful wife who completes me in ways I didn't know were lacking till I met her!! I would die for her, in a heartbeat, I would give everything you can give, I'd give me life! And I LOVE life! So don't tell me I'm not committed! I don't need to stand on the sidelines to keep myself from losing - that's robotic! I'm man enough to put my heart on my sleeve and wade in! 4 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The ultimate level of life is when you no longer require any of that anymore. Attached people would disagree though... because they're attached. Sounds to me as if you're confusing attachment with indifference.... As a Buddhist, I fully understand the concept of attachment and detachment. This does not exempt the emotions of loving, kindness, compassion, passion and companionship, however. you are taking attachment/detachment to a nihilistic level, which is a distorted view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bachdude Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There is no point to life. Interesting that this is presented as the way to greater happiness in life and no one could possibly be happy without his philosophy. Unless you think exactly like the OP, you are doomed to misery without exception. It sounds like the OP is unduly attached to his philosophy. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
eye of the storm Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The only things attachment can bring to a relationship is fear, negative emotions, jealousy, envy, possessiveness, control, boundaries, drama, work and compromise. That's it. All the positives can be experienced without attachment. My son was involved in a sport for over 12 years that demanded ...pretty much everything from the kids. While we were sitting in the ER (again) I asked him why he put his body thru this. He looked at me like I could never understand, and said, if this were easy everyone would do it and that I just couldn't understand the feeling when he won a tough match. He said that sometimes he felt bad that others just would never feel the highs he got. For him the suffering to succeed was worth it for the elation of winning. I loved my dog, I knew he was going to die and it would hurt. And it did, horrifically, but I wouldn't change a thing. His life made my life better. Even knowing what was coming didn't matter, it was worth it. I know a guy that isn't attached to anything. I've seen him walk away from everything he owned twice. He often goes overseas where he knows nobody and makes no friends. Everyone says he is nice and he is. But nobody says they are friends with him. One day he will disappear and sadly I'm not sure anyone would notice. Is he happy? Doesn't act like it. Is he sad? Doesn't act like it. When you talk robotic....this guy comes to mind. I have friends, family, children, pets, activities that I am attached to. And they all make my life better. And they all involve work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
understand50 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Well, it works for me, and many others. I think your issue is that you never been able to have it work for yourself, so...... If you can not do, in your mind, no one can. People, need to leave the folks that are making it work alone. What ever is the issue that stops you from having a committed relationship is your alone, and can only be fixed by you. Stating that no one else can and does enjoy a committed relationship, is fallacious, and not supported in real life. For everyone like you, I can point to someone who is in, and is enjoying a committed relationship. I wish you luck, and I hope your find what you are looking for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shepp Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 My son was involved in a sport for over 12 years that demanded ...pretty much everything from the kids. While we were sitting in the ER (again) I asked him why he put his body thru this. He looked at me like I could never understand, and said, if this were easy everyone would do it and that I just couldn't understand the feeling when he won a tough match. He said that sometimes he felt bad that others just would never feel the highs he got. For him the suffering to succeed was worth it for the elation of winning. I loved my dog, I knew he was going to die and it would hurt. And it did, horrifically, but I wouldn't change a thing. His life made my life better. Even knowing what was coming didn't matter, it was worth it. I know a guy that isn't attached to anything. I've seen him walk away from everything he owned twice. He often goes overseas where he knows nobody and makes no friends. Everyone says he is nice and he is. But nobody says they are friends with him. One day he will disappear and sadly I'm not sure anyone would notice. Is he happy? Doesn't act like it. Is he sad? Doesn't act like it. When you talk robotic....this guy comes to mind. I have friends, family, children, pets, activities that I am attached to. And they all make my life better. And they all involve work. ^ If I could like this twice I would!! Interested to know what your son plays? ...rugby? Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 ^ If I could like this twice I would!! Interested to know what your son plays? ...rugby? If it's Australian Rules Football, a match isn't a good match unless someone's broken something..... Link to post Share on other sites
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