Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Lets not sugar coat things. Bottom line is,,,, Biologically, and emotionally, women were created for men, and men for women. We are both wired for that, it can't be denied (talking straight relationships here) I get tired of hearing how a woman "can thrive being alone forever". That is a falacy that todays society often promotes. It is selfishness and also unconducive for a strong family life. That is why I feel that the entire "strong woman" concept has been taken TOO seriously, and to to the point of being destructive to the family unit. In no way am I saying that it is bad or wrong for women to be strong, but what is happening is that we as a society have traded in the loving family unit for this "ideal". Why? Because in my parents day, when society was "different" that way, the man often had the ability to provide, and when this occurred, the woman WOULD stay home as needed to raise the kids, and many weren't neglected as they are in todays culture. Look at the results,,, spoiled or abused kids… and an increase in narcissism too (among other issues). So you ladies who want to be "so independent" from a man.,, sounds good to you, but in reality, you only serve yourselves with this, and if you want to ever have a loving and productive family, you WILL realize you need a man for that. Just saying 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 My mom has 16 siblings and my dad 12. Both poor farmers families struggling to put food on the table. There was no time or mean to spoil children. Nowadays children are spoiled and narcissist not because of women but because couples have 1 or 2 kids only so they are put on a pedestal, protected and spoiled. Fathers are as guilty of this than mothers. As for the strong women. Life trials make you a strong woman you just don't become one at will. I want to bring your attention that the women you see shouting loud and clear being independent and strong are often not. It's insecurity. A real strong independent woman doesn't need to put it in your face. It's something between her and herself, not her versus others. The strongest and most independent women I know are at the center of their family. They have a husband, children, parents, siblings they are caring for. Being strong and independent doesn't mean being single or living alone, or wanting to pay her own lunch. It runs deeper than that. What you're talking about here are strong & independent wannabees. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'll second what Gaeta said. And what the devil got you on this tangent GOT?! Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'll second what Gaeta said. And what the devil got you on this tangent GOT?! Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? For the record, I had eggs, 2. hehehe They were overcooked, and the dog was jealous, so the day started off bad. lol It was just a conversation starter. I had already flown my private jet today, Elvis didn't tip me well as he went home, and was bored, so needed to stet a ruckus here. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Can you imagine the woman who dates me will never know what will come out of me next. I would like someone as mentally messed up as I am. lol Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Can you imagine the woman who dates me will never know what will come out of me next. I would like someone as mentally messed up as I am. lol Perhaps you might lead with that on your OLD profile 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Perhaps you might lead with that on your OLD profile I doubt any woman can come close to my insanity, or even appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Perhaps you might lead with that on your OLD profile your teeth are pearly white today. Use Colgate? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Lets not sugar coat things. Bottom line is,,,, Biologically, and emotionally, women were created for men, and men for women. We are both wired for that, it can't be denied (talking straight relationships here) I get tired of hearing how a woman "can thrive being alone forever". That is a falacy that todays society often promotes. It is selfishness and also unconducive for a strong family life. That is why I feel that the entire "strong woman" concept has been taken TOO seriously, and to to the point of being destructive to the family unit. In no way am I saying that it is bad or wrong for women to be strong, but what is happening is that we as a society have traded in the loving family unit for this "ideal". Why? Because in my parents day, when society was "different" that way, the man often had the ability to provide, and when this occurred, the woman WOULD stay home as needed to raise the kids, and many weren't neglected as they are in todays culture. Look at the results,,, spoiled or abused kids… and an increase in narcissism too (among other issues). So you ladies who want to be "so independent" from a man.,, sounds good to you, but in reality, you only serve yourselves with this, and if you want to ever have a loving and productive family, you WILL realize you need a man for that. Just saying Why is what other women think so important to you? I happen to be a fairly traditional and traditionally feminine woman....but I really don't get why men are in such a wad about how women they wouldn't date anyway choose to live. 9 Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why is what other women think so important to you? I happen to be a fairly traditional and traditionally feminine woman....but I really don't get why men are in such a wad about how women they wouldn't date anyway choose to live. That deserves an "AMEN!!!!" Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I doubt any woman can come close to my insanity, or even appreciate it. Another sweeping statement. See... trouble is.....you don't know me. You don't know me at. all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why is what other women think so important to you? I happen to be a fairly traditional and traditionally feminine woman....but I really don't get why men are in such a wad about how women they wouldn't date anyway choose to live. Sometimes we just need a good debate to keep our minds going, thus the point of the post Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Another sweeping statement. See... trouble is.....you don't know me. You don't know me at. all. I am available for yard burials today. Are you free? I have an extra shovel and some sunscreen. Mosquitos don't come out until after dark Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Sometimes we just need a good debate to keep our minds going, thus the point of the post Tjhat's not hosting a good debate. That's poking a bear to make it grumpy. Why don't you think of a more original debate like "Is it fair that women are discriminated against in business, because they wish to start a family, given that their becoming pregnant is an eggs and bacon situation (the woman being the 'bacon'...?" 3 Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Depending upon whom you ask....I am sure my insanity and pathology eclipses yours in every way....... Mwahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
kilgore Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Tjhat's not hosting a good debate. That's poking a bear to make it grumpy. Why don't you think of a more original debate like "Is it fair that women are discriminated against in business, because they wish to start a family, given that their becoming pregnant is an eggs and bacon situation (the woman being the 'bacon'...?" Yes let's talk about that Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Yes let's talk about that I think the debate should be.....is it considered visual abuse to have an avatar like kilgore's..... 4 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I think the debate should be.....is it considered visual abuse to have an avatar like kilgore's..... Yes. NEXT!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Depending upon whom you ask....I am sure my insanity and pathology eclipses yours in every way....... Mwahahahahahahahahahahaha I asked your mother. She agrees. I concede defeat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Guyouthere Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Tjhat's not hosting a good debate. That's poking a bear to make it grumpy. Why don't you think of a more original debate like "Is it fair that women are discriminated against in business, because they wish to start a family, given that their becoming pregnant is an eggs and bacon situation (the woman being the 'bacon'...?" I can't use this because some women are muslim and don't believe in eating pork. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I can't use this because some women are muslim and don't believe in eating pork. It's figurative. Eggs (men) Bacon (women). The chicken contributes. The Pig is committed. In other words, when a successful hard-working couple decide they'd like to start a family, the hard-working wife has to be the one who takes time off to incubate, bear and stay with the child, physically, for such a period of time that COULD mean that her position with her firm, or "The professional Market-place" is compromised. This causes a massive drain on the company also, because it creates a gap, and causes the company to perhaps require a replacement who may need training; a person whose job is in limbo, because at times, the woman does not in fact return to reclaim her post. If she chooses to remain working,. it means finding a carer, and paying a considerable amount of money to hire such a person. Finding someone reliable and trustworthy, is a challenge, and the guilt factor of working, while someone else is essentially 'bringing up your child' is through the roof. Should a woman have a child if she is merely then going to pass the maternal responsibility onto someone else? If on the other hand, a woman decides to stay at home with her child, the severance from professional life is a wrench, and picking up a career again (either F/T or P/T) is extremely difficult and companies are occasionally biased against women with young children. Examples: when my eldest daughter eventually started full-time school, I found work with a company 25 miles away, . My then H worked as an office products engineer, and was far more local to the school than I. In fact, his radius of work was 15 miles. Without fail, if my daughter needed attention or parental care, the school would ring me, to go and pick her up, in spite of several attempts (both by my H and ME) to convince the school that contacting him was the swifter option. "Yes, but a child needs her mum when she's poorly, really, doesn't she...?" The school would say.... Second example: I know, for a fact, that one good reason I was awarded my current P/T job is that I made it plain I would be available as a stop-gap, or to work extra hours, because \I had the advantage of having no minor dependents at home. In other words, I wouldn't receive the call from school about a sick child, or be absent during holidays, or have to take tommy to the dentist.... :Let us please leave aside the complexities of divorced parents, or single-parent families: in my long experience, the bias still exists that if a woman wants a child, HER career will have to suffer; if she doesn't want a child, she is considered odd, peculiar or out of the norm. A man has no such protracted interruption to his career. I was once asked: "I see from your CV that you have two young children. Is that going to pose any problems for you?" I replied, "If I were a man sitting here, would you be asking me that question?" "....N.n.n.ooo.... I guess not...." my interviewer conceded. Those kinds of questions are no longer permissible, and are in fact illegal, in an interview situation. There is more I could add.... Comments? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Now THAT - is one helluva thread-jack!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. John Adams Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 wow...I just want to retire and live quietly on the beach surrounded by my honey(literally) and wine. This is way too complicated.... Is this a thread jack? well is it? hurry up and answer....time's a wastin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Sometimes we just need a good debate to keep our minds going, thus the point of the post Yeah wasn't really seeing this. Not much of a debate. It is your opinion though so . . . okay. What is there to say after that? Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Here's a thought... You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have a wife that stays at home at considerable risk to her long term (and her children's survival) without taking some risk yourself. When I hear this gripe from men, it is mostly about wanting some woman to be dependent on him (so that he can feel emotionally safe and in charge), while whatever happens to her if he dies, they get divorced, whatever... Well, THAT is when all of a sudden she's supposed to be 'strong' so that she's not a burden on him. You can't have it both ways. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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