preraph Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I desperately wanted to be bi, but I just couldn't. Flirtation is fun, but blech on the physical. I've had a couple of woman crushes, namely Faye Dunaway and then the character Sally on 3rd Rock from the Sun. As you can see, one of them isn't even real. So there you go. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Most guys are just ugly ass mo-fos.......from a sexual standpoint, anyway....Not that all women are hot as hell but "average to good" ones vastly outnumber "hot" guys.. So I guess it comes down to "if you cant beat em, join em"...or something to that effect... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Poutrew Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 This sorta tongue in cheek argument, which goes along the lines of: If you aren't admitting you are doing X, then you are lying, which for this thread is that pretty much every woman on earth is really a closet lesbian (96%) makes me just smile. It is the same argument that everyone on earth (100%) masturbates, so if you say you don't you are a liar. So what would happen if gals like Jen could turn 96% of all females gay? Well, they'd be in vagina heaven. Then, there would be a disastrous population decline as women everywhere left their men to go knocking on Jen's door for sex. The 2% of women who remain faithful for men just wouldn't be able to support the population themselves. That would, over the course of time, result in no future lesbians being born, or converted. Problem solved. Also, don't people take into consideration that historically, the greatest persecutors of gay people were themselves closet gay? Think Hitler, J. Edgar Hoover, etc., So what Pandora's box of horrors would be unleashed upon this world if this 96% figure were anything but the ravings of someone's fever dreams? Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpybutfun Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Let me fix this for you...."studies conclude that most lesbians and some males wish all women are either gay or bisexual." G 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jen1447 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 This sorta tongue in cheek argument, which goes along the lines of: If you aren't admitting you are doing X, then you are lying, which for this thread is that pretty much every woman on earth is really a closet lesbian (96%) makes me just smile. It is the same argument that everyone on earth (100%) masturbates, so if you say you don't you are a liar. So what would happen if gals like Jen could turn 96% of all females gay? Well, they'd be in vagina heaven. Then, there would be a disastrous population decline as women everywhere left their men to go knocking on Jen's door for sex. The 2% of women who remain faithful for men just wouldn't be able to support the population themselves. That would, over the course of time, result in no future lesbians being born, or converted. Bisexuals like and can have sex w/both men and women. So the population won't be ending anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites
Poutrew Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Bisexuals like and can have sex w/both men and women. So the population won't be ending anytime soon. Just because they can doesn't mean they will. Granted, my personal experience with bisex is VERY limited, but in each and every case I have observed it, it's been a train wreck in process. I've seen marriages bust up, and children damaged beyond repair, including a 13 year old killing herself over mom's coming out (which was a 'mistake' and led to extreme guilt over what she inflicted on her family and multiple suicide attempts on her part and lengthy stays in a mental ward). Someone I know is currently in the process of coming out - her dad is an Archie Bunker type, and her mom is trying to bridge the gap between them and not being very successful. In the end I think mom is going to be forced to choose between either her lesbian daughter on the one hand, or her husband and other children and close family on the other hand, who have totally ostracized the girl from the family (guess who's gonna be on the loosing end). It's truly a slow motion train wreck... my personal thinking on this is that females are wired 'looser' than males on this subject, because they give birth to females. I think maybe up to 30% of women may be bi curious to one degree or another, as opposed to maybe 15% of men. But, very few of them will ever act out on their tendencies (after adolescence and experimentation which they now view as adults as shameful) even if given a free pass where they know they are not going to get caught. In my view, studies like the one that started this thread are really dangerous, because they try to cloak themselves in scientific legitimacy. They are so full of holes that you can drive a truck through them and they would get torn to shreds by real research scientists, on the grounds of sample size, control groups, test methodology, environment, etc. I am a hetro man, but if you measured my pupil dilation while a naked man walked into the room playing with himself, my pupils would probably change size too, but not because I was getting turned on... Now, if this study was conducted by a specific group looking to further a political agenda, or create a 'gay buzz' amongst the straight folk, then I guess it has been somewhat successful. Link to post Share on other sites
jen1447 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 If you want to challenge the methodology or conclusions of the study that's fine, but I think you have to do better than simply not liking the study and saying "bah - sh*t study!" Those stories are unfortunate btw but they're anecdotal and not really representative of anything. I could give you dozens more success stories. More importantly they're no reason to suppress sexuality regardless. What a scary thought. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Poutrew Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Well, like I said, I think stuff like the study is more ridiculous than anything else. But maybe it's because I am familiar with the scientific method and can clearly see the holes in it. However, I also don't think there is anything wrong with not liking something, just because. I hate Brussels Sprouts - stinky little sulfurous cabbage wannabees... but I will defend your right to eat them:laugh:. The same thing can be said for anecdotal evidence. I don't have to see many results of what could happen if I put an unknown revolver to my head and pull the trigger. One anecdotal example would be enough for me. In that regard, my few examples and your dozens of examples all fall into the same anecdotal category. I guess it is no longer anecdotal when the sample size reaches...96% of the human female population on earth:eek:. If it is true, then a good case could be made for the government to find that unhappy hetro minority and put them into re-education camps and make them into normal, happy, well adjusted bi sexual women, whether that want to be or not...jeeze, I guess it's not helping much that I just finished reading 1984 a couple nights ago... Link to post Share on other sites
CrystalCastles Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 If you want to challenge the methodology or conclusions of the study that's fine, but I think you have to do better than simply not liking the study and saying "bah - sh*t study!" Those stories are unfortunate btw but they're anecdotal and not really representative of anything. I could give you dozens more success stories. More importantly they're no reason to suppress sexuality regardless. What a scary thought. That's great and all, but it doesn't mean people who aren't into this should be discredited or assumed to be lying. I am with Tara on this one- zero interest in a woman. I would be very uncomfortable if a lesbian even flirted with me. I don't flirt with women, don't want to see them naked, I face the wall in change rooms, not attracted to them at all. I'm even turned off men who have feminine qualities or mannerisms. I don't think I'm part of this "2%". I'm sure that value is much higher. Just because you have success stories it doesn't mean they are applicable to everyone. Or that straight women like me, RR, No Limit and others can be "converted" if we juuuuuust were maybe a liiiiiittle bit more open-minded and ****ed a woman once (not speaking for Tara here, she's actually done it). Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 If you're referring to the "study" OP linked, it sampled 345 women in college using "pupil dilation" to asses sexual arousal. Yes, I think it is a bull**** study that didn't prove anything to make such a headline. And I guess all the women posting here that they have no inclination towards bi-sexuality must be the 2%'ers that just aren't in the "know" yet. I have been with women that would have sex with other women. It always seemed more like a show though because they assume it's the cool thing to be and I'd like it since obviously every guy has the fantasy "two chicks at the same time". 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CrystalCastles Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 And I guess all the women posting here that they have no inclination towards bi-sexuality must be the 2%'ers that just aren't in the "know" yet. I think its very presumptuous to speak for someone else's sexual orientation and preferences... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Something something protest too much something something. Link to post Share on other sites
jen1447 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 That's great and all, but it doesn't mean people who aren't into this should be discredited or assumed to be lying. I am with Tara on this one- zero interest in a woman. I would be very uncomfortable if a lesbian even flirted with me. I don't flirt with women, don't want to see them naked, I face the wall in change rooms, not attracted to them at all. I'm even turned off men who have feminine qualities or mannerisms. I don't think I'm part of this "2%". I'm sure that value is much higher. Just because you have success stories it doesn't mean they are applicable to everyone. Or that straight women like me, RR, No Limit and others can be "converted" if we juuuuuust were maybe a liiiiiittle bit more open-minded and ****ed a woman once (not speaking for Tara here, she's actually done it). Who discredited anyone or said anyone was lying? (I'm asking you since you quoted me.) I'd be happy to elaborate on my thoughts on this but the pushback is what I typically see and indicates an almost radical disinclination toward open-minded consideration (I'll leave those implications alone ), so I'll pass. But my personal experience is extensive, whereas most other ppl are just speaking for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Heatherknows Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Well they didn't ask me. and please, please trust me on this, I am totally, strictly, entirely inarguably heterosexual. No ambiguity, grey area, doubt, indecision or confusion: I am as straight as anyone could possibly be. Me too. This culture is super bored and needs to come up with stupid sh*t just to get someone to read stuff. I don't have a problem with women having sex with other women. It's fine. I just don't feel like doing it. When I see a really pretty woman I might be impressed or jealous or whatever but I don't get aroused. I just don't want to fu*k another woman. But when I'm around a man I'm attracted to I get all silly and stupid and pray he doesn't know I'm attracted to him. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Something something protest too much something something. Shakespeare's 'Hamlet': "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a quotation from the 1599/ 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare. It has been used as a figure of speech, in various phrasings, to indicate that a person's overly frequent or vehement attempts to convince others of something have ironically helped to convince others that the opposite is true, by making the person look insincere and defensive. I absolutely unequivocally insist in the most vehement manner possible that I am completely, definitely totally heterosexual, and wild horses, oxen, unicorns or the Nubile nymphs of Lesbos would never induce, convince or drag me in a million years, into stating that I am otherwise. I sincerely hope you will forgive my insistent protestations, but I ain't changing lanes just to accommodate an ancient quotation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CrystalCastles Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Who discredited anyone or said anyone was lying? (I'm asking you since you quoted me.) I'd be happy to elaborate on my thoughts on this but the pushback is what I typically see and indicates an almost radical disinclination toward open-minded consideration (I'll leave those implications alone ), so I'll pass. But my personal experience is extensive, whereas most other ppl are just speaking for themselves. You sounded like you were discrediting the experiences of people on here. "Those stories are unfortunate btw but they're anecdotal and not really representative of anything. I could give you dozens more success stories." Like people's experiences on here are not representative of anything, but yours are? Link to post Share on other sites
Heatherknows Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I absolutely unequivocally insist in the most vehement manner possible that I am completely, definitely totally heterosexual, and wild horses, oxen, unicorns or the Nubile nymphs of Lesbos would never induce, convince or drag me in a million years, into stating that I am otherwise. I sincerely hope you will forgive my insistent protestations, but I ain't changing lanes just to accommodate an ancient quotation. OK but if a herd of Nubile Nymphs of Lesbos ever try you should make a video and post it on youtube. It'll go viral. Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I absolutely unequivocally insist in the most vehement manner possible that I am completely, definitely totally heterosexual, and wild horses, oxen, unicorns or the Nubile nymphs of Lesbos would never induce, convince or drag me in a million years, into stating that I am otherwise. I sincerely hope you will forgive my insistent protestations, but I ain't changing lanes just to accommodate an ancient quotation. Ahhhh, but does your pupil dilate when you see an attractive girl? The University of Essex has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that their is a 100% link to sexual arousal on pupil dilation. So if your eyes dilate at all when you see other women, that means you must be down for some rug munching. It's scientific fact! They tested this on a few women around campus, so they have proof and everything! Link to post Share on other sites
Heatherknows Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Ahhhh, but does your pupil dilate when you see an attractive girl? The University of Essex has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that their is a 100% link to sexual arousal on pupil dilation. So if your eyes dilate at all when you see other women, that means you must be down for some rug munching. It's scientific fact! They tested this on a few women around campus, so they have proof and everything! I bet my pupils dilate when I see a sale but I don't want to have sex with it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Giggle Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Mmmm I am. I like boys better though. Very masculine men, rugged. Feminine features and mannerisms in a guy do nothing for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I've been propositioned a couple of times...and by very pretty women. So it was flattering, but while I could definitely appreciate the way those women looked, for me it would be like looking at a perfectly formed rose that's handed to me on a plate. I think it looks lovely, but I don't actually want to eat it. Whereas men you're attracted to are more like spaghetti bolognese. They might look a mess...but nonetheless, they hit the spot. All that said, I will happily eat a Hibiscus flower after finishing the cocktail it's been placed in. So perhaps it's just a case of getting drunk enough, ladies. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden2 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Ahhhh, but does your pupil dilate when you see an attractive girl? According to my beloved H, apparently not.... The University of Essex has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that their is a 100% link to sexual arousal on pupil dilation. My pupils dilate when I see sushi, watch anything to do with the enigmatic culture of Japan, or look at spaghetti al tartufo bianco... maybe I'm a gastroerotic fan.... So if your eyes dilate at all when you see other women, that means you must be down for some rug munching. Ugh...no, definitely not.... It's scientific fact! They tested this on a few women around campus, so they have proof and everything! ...Ain't science grand...? Next thing they'll be telling us white men with long toes can dance..... Link to post Share on other sites
Haydn Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 As Dylan Moran said....(Very funny Irish comedian) Homosexuality is real but lesbianism is just `Jolly japes` Well i laughed.... Link to post Share on other sites
jen1447 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 You sounded like you were discrediting the experiences of people on here. "Those stories are unfortunate btw but they're anecdotal and not really representative of anything. I could give you dozens more success stories." Like people's experiences on here are not representative of anything, but yours are? Not sure why you think that acknowledging his stories were unfortunate is discrediting them? As for being anecdotal and not representative, that's simply the truth. And even while I probably have more success stories than he has tragedies, the point is neither really accounts for a substantially broad enough spectrum to draw conclusions about whether ppl embracing bisexuality is tragic or successful overall. (Nevermind it's a matter of principle, not stats. Tragedies resulting from bisexuality being embraced don't invalidate bisexuality.) Where I'm asserting my experience carries more weight is with making observations about female sexuality in general, being as I've been involved in hundreds of interactions with other women where I assessed their mindsets and their actions and was able to observe the voracity of their claims. The women on here who are claiming they're strictly hetero and seemingly calling the conclusions of the study into question are doing that based on the assessment of a single individual's sexuality - their own. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 .....where I assessed their mindsets and their actions and was able to observe the voracity of their claims. Voracious then I guess you could feed them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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