Recommendation for a good book of women, dating?

[Vilgefoz]

Hallo,

 

can you recommend me (and maybe write a few words of review) a good about "how woman think, what woman want, what do they expect of dating, what is their inner world..." and also how to improve myself towards it?

 

I am rather... little experienced when it comes to understanding of women.

 

 

For instance I read Robert Greene - Art of Seduction but it was almost unreadable for me, too advanced insight... (which is funny because his book 48 Rules of Power I understand perfectly, some chapters even master...)

 

 

Thank you!

[mrldii]

According to this legitimate site, it hasn't been written yet.

 

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[TaraMaiden2]

Hallo,

 

can you recommend me (and maybe write a few words of review) a good about "how woman think, what woman want, what do they expect of dating, what is their inner world..." and also how to improve myself towards it?

 

I am rather... little experienced when it comes to understanding of women.

 

 

For instance I read Robert Greene - Art of Seduction but it was almost unreadable for me, too advanced insight... (which is funny because his book 48 Rules of Power I understand perfectly, some chapters even master...)

 

 

Thank you!

 

There's a huge book available through a local bookshop.

It's very thick, quite big, has 450 pages, and the title is:

 

"Everything Men understand and know about women."

 

It's completely blank.

 

The best advice is ride it by the seat of your pants, just like every other poor guy has to, because as mrldii accurately points out - there ain't no such book.

 

The day guys know exactly what makes women tick, and how to seduce them, I will be miraculously transformed into a 5' 10" blonde bombshell with the perfect hourglass figure, gorgeous legs and dazzling smile.

 

It ain't ever gonna happen.

You know why?

Because predictably, every woman is unpredictable.

 

No two are alike.

 

Good luck.

 

(You're going to need it. )

[Vilgefoz]

forum useful. As always.

 

Imma download De Angelo's books. Will see, there have been good reviews.

[Redfisher]

What do you want? these women know a thing or two and they gave you the right advice...No book is going to help..

[gaius]

Try this one.

 

Why Women Have Sex: Women Reveal the Truth About Their Sex Lives, from Adventure to Revenge (and Everything in Between): Cindy M. Meston, David M. Buss

[Timshel]

There is no book. Nope.....no book.

[TaraMaiden2]

forum useful. As always.

 

Imma download De Angelo's books. Will see, there have been good reviews.

Actually, his reviews are generally that he's an overpaid snake-oil merchant and frankly - crap.

[TaraMaiden2]

Try this one.

 

Why Women Have Sex: Women Reveal the Truth About Their Sex Lives, from Adventure to Revenge (and Everything in Between): Cindy M. Meston, David M. Buss

 

Yes, gaius, very nice; but the guy needs to know how to even get out of the starting block, let alone consider why his GF might want sex...

 

And frankly, that is such a stupid book.

More dissection on what women do, and why.

It had very mixed reviews and I would hazard a guess that the five-star reviews came mainly from men - and the poor star reviews from women.

As usual, a man, trying to get into a woman's mind, and explain everything she does from a sexual PoV is probably destined to fail.

Men always bring it down to sex.

Because it's the main way they operate.

 

So I guess the OP's question is less about how to understand women, but how to get them into bed.

 

Is that what you're saying, gaius?

Because that's pretty much par for the course, right...?

[Snakechammah]

The book you have read, Robert Greene's Art of Seduction is a very, very good book. I've always referred that book as a weapon of extreme power in the hands of an 'intelligently-dangerous' woman.

[Vilgefoz]

Actually, his reviews are generally that he's an overpaid snake-oil merchant and frankly - crap.

 

yes. After a few chapters I can see it's about 30+ creepy douches trying to score shallow posh trash. Just as any other The Pickup Artist book.

 

Best book I ever eead so far was Red Queen, Matt Ridley. It nicely explains insight into human mating as biological species. Hoping to find other perspectives, though.

[Vilgefoz]

The book you have read, Robert Greene's Art of Seduction is a very, very good book. I've always referred that book as a weapon of extreme power in the hands of an 'intelligently-dangerous' woman.

 

It is very good, regretfully, far too advanced. I need to learn how to establish normal, at least friend-based relationship with woman before learning advanced techniques like how to seduce them based on Hollywood/historical stereotypes. So far I could not make single female friend (not because I would be creepy, I have quite a few good trustworthy friends but simply I have way too little in common with women.) His book 48 rules of power is great too and I have no trouble understanding. But this... In terms of men to female relationships, I am hermit sometimes selling trade fair junk at best... It's like reading a book of German construction workers... what do I know of construction workers from Germany?

[Vilgefoz]

 

So I guess the OP's question is less about how to understand women, but how to get them into bed.

 

 

 

No, my question is about a source where I can get different perspective of relationships in general then I have now.

 

I understand 2 perspectives:

1) The Pickup Artist point of view

2) Evolutionary biology and psychology.

3) I have a wee glimpse into Green's art of seduction, but I am quite confused of that.

 

Seeking for more.

[Snakechammah]

It is very good, regretfully, far too advanced. I need to learn how to establish normal, at least friend-based relationship with woman before learning advanced techniques like how to seduce them based on Hollywood/historical stereotypes. So far I could not make single female friend (not because I would be creepy, I have quite a few good trustworthy friends but simply I have way too little in common with women.) His book 48 rules of power is great too and I have no trouble understanding. But this... In terms of men to female relationships, I am hermit sometimes selling trade fair junk at best... It's like reading a book of German construction workers... what do I know of construction workers from Germany?

 

To be fair, that book is actually for ladies. Because men are easier to seduce than women

 

I can understand, that you as a man, don't get it. You should give it to your sister.

[gaius]

Yes, gaius, very nice; but the guy needs to know how to even get out of the starting block, let alone consider why his GF might want sex...

 

And frankly, that is such a stupid book.

More dissection on what women do, and why.

It had very mixed reviews and I would hazard a guess that the five-star reviews came mainly from men - and the poor star reviews from women.

As usual, a man, trying to get into a woman's mind, and explain everything she does from a sexual PoV is probably destined to fail.

Men always bring it down to sex.

Because it's the main way they operate.

 

So I guess the OP's question is less about how to understand women, but how to get them into bed.

 

Is that what you're saying, gaius?

Because that's pretty much par for the course, right...?

That book actually had a lot of interesting stories about different kinds of relationships, it wasn't just about sex. It doesn't claim all women are the same, or that you should be a Don Juan and use women or whatever. It's just very honest insight from women themselves about why they've done certain things when it comes to sexual relationships with men. Written by both a woman and a man. And I think it might be helpful for a guy who's looking to understand the opposite gender more than he does now.

 

I get your opposition though, both my grandmother and ex used to threaten me not to bring it out in public when I was with them and reading it. I guess the title gives the wrong impression, but it's really not a bad or loserish/pickup book. It's by two pretty well respected college professors actually.

 

Look Tara, I know there's not one book that's the holy grail that will allow you to completely understand the opposite gender, but of course there are things you can read that will give you a little insight on one thing or another opposite sex wise. If that wasn't true then Men are From Mars, Women are from Venus wouldn't have been such a big hit. Mostly amongst women.

[Vilgefoz]

To be fair, that book is actually for ladies. Because men are easier to seduce than women

 

I can understand, that you as a man, don't get it. You should give it to your sister.

 

You don't seduce men. You just show them tits .

 

Actually, I think book is very good for MORE EXPERIENCED men. I imagine typical reader as at least early 30 y.o. male (after all Robert Green is 56. You won't write book for teenagers in that age), socially cunning and highly intelligent. Which I am, just not experienced in this sector... well...

[Snakechammah]

You don't seduce men. You just show them tits .

 

Actually, I think book is very good for MORE EXPERIENCED men. I imagine typical reader as at least early 30 y.o. male (after all Robert Green is 56. You won't write book for teenagers in that age), socially cunning and highly intelligent. Which I am, just not experienced in this sector... well...

 

Nah.. you don't seduce men by showing tits. That's the losers way of doing it.

 

The ones with power do it like a slow burn.....

[William]

Let's steer this back to recommendations for books, for men, on relating to women as friends and dating partners. Thanks!

[rester]

I would recommend books about communication and conflict resolution. I learned a few things from a book called Saying What's Real: 7 Keys to Authentic Communication and Relationship Success, by Susan Campbell. That book is not gender specific and both men and women could read it.

 

I've also read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Way of the Superior Man, and they are okay. You need to take much of what they say with a grain of salt.

 

In general, I would focus on books that help with communicating clearly with others instead of anything that suggests "getting better with women", or "how to pick up women". Those books will likely be junk. [/url]

[Vilgefoz]

I would recommend books about communication and conflict resolution. I learned a few things from a book called Saying What's Real: 7 Keys to Authentic Communication and Relationship Success, by Susan Campbell. That book is not gender specific and both men and women could read it.

 

I've also read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Way of the Superior Man, and they are okay. You need to take much of what they say with a grain of salt.

 

In general, I would focus on books that help with communicating clearly with others instead of anything that suggests "getting better with women", or "how to pick up women". Those books will likely be junk. [/url]

 

thank you. I have no problem communicating with any person on any level provided he/she is intelligent and respectful. But with women - flirt, friendship... :/

 

I'm gonna check those titles!

[carhill]

I need to learn how to establish normal, at least friend-based relationship with woman before learning advanced techniques like how to seduce them based on Hollywood/historical stereotypes. So far I could not make single female friend (not because I would be creepy, I have quite a few good trustworthy friends but simply I have way too little in common with women.)

 

In that case, respecting that women are people first, if you haven't read Dale Carnegie's classic on how to win friends and influence people, I heartily recommend it.

 

To your quoted passage, I recommend this area:

 

Six Ways to Make People Like You

 

 

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
   
2. Smile.
   
3. Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
   
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
   
5. Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
   
6. Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.
   

 

I strongly recommend seeking to build friendships with women, the nuts and bolts of that process, as a building block to learning romantic techniques. Also, don't neglect men. Build strong male friendships. Dale's book can help with that too.

 

I mention this path because you stated you haven't made a single female friend. Since it's you who wants this, it's up to you to find common ground with people you seek to befriend and/or influence. That's your process. Good luck!

[Vilgefoz]

In that case, respecting that women are people first, if you haven't read Dale Carnegie's classic on how to win friends and influence people, I heartily recommend it.

 

To your quoted passage, I recommend this area:

 

Six Ways to Make People Like You

 

 

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
   
2. Smile.
   
3. Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
   
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
   
5. Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
   
6. Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.
   

 

I strongly recommend seeking to build friendships with women, the nuts and bolts of that process, as a building block to learning romantic techniques. Also, don't neglect men. Build strong male friendships. Dale's book can help with that too.

 

I mention this path because you stated you haven't made a single female friend. Since it's you who wants this, it's up to you to find common ground with people you seek to befriend and/or influence. That's your process. Good luck!

 

 

 

man. I don't want to sound disrespectful, but that book you are referring to is the biggest pile of rubbish of sociology, psychology and above all rhetoric I have ever read. Carnegie's insight is so simplified, naive and lacking solid any-branch background that it is like reading about science from scrolls of some ancient Greek philosopher. Sounds nice, maybe even convincing, but completely useless.

 

The reason why I have male but no female friends is very simple: my way of life is that I am physically surrounded mostly by males and my interests are very male-like, like technology, business, sports etc. Many my closest friends are Forever Alone like me, so there is no introduction to female cycles and others, well, I have not so close relationship with them that I would talk of their privacy with them.

 

 

Instead of that Carnegie's pre-school junk I would recommend people this:

 

Thank You For Arguing, Revised and Updated Edition: What Aristotle, Lincoln, And Homer Simpson Can Teach Us About the Art of Persuasion

 

http://www.amazon.com/Thank-Arguing-Revised-Updated-Edition/dp/0385347758

 

(yeah, it's not quite "how to make friends" but rather Practical Rhetoric, but I never read any book of making friends - never had such need)

[carhill]

Yep, the icons of international business would likely disagree with you but what do they know.

 

You might also learn something from the other Carnegie, Andrew, yeah that guy who built a bunch of libraries to stock with books for we working folks to learn from. Up to you. Good luck!

[Vilgefoz]

Yep, the icons of international business would likely disagree with you but what do they know.

 

You might also learn something from the other Carnegie, Andrew, yeah that guy who built a bunch of libraries to stock with books for we working folks to learn from. Up to you. Good luck!

 

Hallo.

 

I didn't mean to make you upset or disrespect your point of view.

 

But many icons you are referring to made a fortune on book just like this. There is as whole industry behind this, such as Multi Level Marketing - I am from EU, maybe in different countries it works differently but here companies like Amway, OVB and so make a fortune not on selling it's own products because they are too hard to sell but by persuading their own distributors to buy "self help manuals" such as book you mentioned. In other world, this book is part of (at least) unethical business that promotes junk literature to naive people, because they are in good mental position to buy it. That's why I disregards titles like Carnegie and many other, similar.

 

But this is quite Off Topic, let us carry on with dating/relationship titles