Rape culture.

[joystickd]

I think in many cases patriarchy is just another word for men in general when some feminists say it.

 

Yeah that's true. That's the problem with vilifying an idea because it ends up making a segment of society villains instead of an individual or group. This eventually hinders progress.

[turnera]

Where's the men that actually perpetuate rape culture? I don't mean the men that say things like on this thread but the clear cut people that support rape?

 

 

Well, they sure as hell aren't coming onto a forum like this and bragging about brutalizing and abusing women!

 

I dare you to go speak to a women's group of rape victims and say this.

[joystickd]

 

Well, they sure as hell aren't coming onto a forum like this and bragging about brutalizing and abusing women!

 

I dare you to go speak to a women's group of rape victims and say this.

 

Actually I would. I'm not like most on here that say things on here because of the anonymity. If I say it on here I'd say it in real life.

 

Anyway since there is no villian rape culture sounds like an attempt by feminist elite to create a villain to get some unity. It's an idea and not a tangible villian so it makes one question the validity of the concept. In the old west train robberies happened so is that robbery culture. Do the false accusations of rape indicate a female liar culture? Does the fact people like Netflix a Netflix culture? See I can take occurrences and pull a culture out of my a$$. A phantom menace as some would call it. Maybe Emperor Palpatine will be the dark Lord of rape culture then maybe it will give this idea some validity.

[lollipopspot]

Where's the men that actually perpetuate rape culture? I don't mean the men that say things like on this thread but the clear cut people that support rape?

 

Look up rape porn on Google. Then look at the majority of porn, which the vast majority of men (and many women) watch.

 

This current study analyzes the content of popular pornographic videos, with the objectives of updating depictions of aggression, degradation, and sexual practices and comparing the study’s results to previous content analysis studies. Findings indicate high levels of aggression in pornography in both verbal and physical forms. Of the 304 scenes analyzed, 88.2 percent contained physical aggression, principally spanking, gagging, and slapping, while 48.7 percent of scenes contained verbal aggression, primarily name-calling. Perpetrators of aggression were usually male, whereas targets of aggression were overwhelmingly female. Targets most often showed pleasure or responded neutrally to the aggression.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=254350

 

By the way, you can substitute black folks for women in your tirade against feminism.

[joystickd]

Look up rape porn on Google. Then look at the majority of porn, which the vast majority of men (and many women) watch.

 

 

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=254350

 

By the way, you can substitute black folks for women in your tirade against feminism.

You'd actually be surprised my actual beliefs on racism. We all see the emotion in your argument. You are irrational right now.

[joystickd]

Look up rape porn on Google. Then look at the majority of porn, which the vast majority of men (and many women) watch.

 

 

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=254350

 

By the way, you can substitute black folks for women in your tirade against feminism.

 

There is scat porn. Does that mean there is scat culture?

[joystickd]

Look up rape porn on Google. Then look at the majority of porn, which the vast majority of men (and many women) watch.

 

 

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=254350

 

By the way, you can substitute black folks for women in your tirade against feminism.

 

As everyone can see you have no valid point to really offer that is why you resorted to the black thing. As for porn its no iindicator of rape culture. I think a few of us are waiting for the Sith Lord. Maybe Darth Maul or Kylo Ren can help you.

[cja]

You'd actually be surprised my actual beliefs on racism. We all see the emotion in your argument. You are irrational right now.

 

And actually "the black thing" was a perfectly rational point and not everyone sees that it's an emotional response. I actually view your response as emotional and not rational since you resorted to ad hominem attacks without any valid refutation of her comparison. Why do you deem her responses as emotional and her as irrational? And how can you speak with such certainty that "WE all see you" have no valid point. Well, where's your logical counter point and not some purposefully nonsensical talk about Vader or other fictional characters. That's just contemptuous sarcasm looking to attack the person not the reasoning.

 

Subtle forms of racism pervade our society in that there are heavy undertones of victim blaming in the cultural and national discussion on race. Just watch the arguments that get thrown around when black children or black men are mistakenly and yet all too quickly shot by police. Or police brutality and the double standard of the criminal justice systems treatment of blacks relative to whites.

 

A culture tolerant of rape and abuse of women exists because as seen over and over again in this very thread there is a sort of acceptance of victim blaming and even shaming. And until the conversation steers away from a focus on the victims, then in my opinion therr is still a permissive though subtle and I think and hope changing rape culture.

Edited January 14, 2016 by cja

[Revolver]

Rape and sexual assaults have been in massive decline(like crime overall) in the last 20 years.

 

https://reason.com/blog/2014/12/11/bjs-rate-of-sexual-assault-shows-sharp-d

 

Rape Is Way Down Over the Past Two Decades ? But So Is All Violent Crime | Mother Jones

 

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Rape and Sexual Assault

 

Statistics Show Drop In U.S. Rape Cases

 

So if there was a rape culture it probably be more relevant during the 70's and 80's when it was at its peak. Women have never been safer in America

[joystickd]

And actually "the black thing" was a perfectly rational point and not everyone sees that it's an emotional response. I actually view your response as emotional and not rational since you resorted to ad hominem attacks without any valid refutation of her comparison. Why do you deem her responses as emotional and her as irrational? And how can you speak with such certainty that "WE all see you" have no valid point. Well, where's your logical counter point and not some purposefully nonsensical talk about Vader or other fictional characters. That's just contemptuous sarcasm looking to attack the person not the reasoning.

 

Subtle forms of racism pervade our society in that there are heavy undertones of victim blaming in the cultural and national discussion on race. Just watch the arguments that get thrown around when black children or black men are mistakenly and yet all too quickly shot by police. Or police brutality and the double standard of the criminal justice systems treatment of blacks relative to whites.

 

A culture tolerant of rape and abuse of women exists because as seen over and over again in this very thread there is a sort of acceptance of victim blaming and even shaming. And until the conversation steers away from a focus on the victims, then in my opinion therr is still a permissive though subtle and I think and hope changing rape culture.

It wasn't an emotional attack. It was one that showed that there isn't a villain in regards to rape culture but an idea. The fact that it's an idea it runs the risk of making all men seen as people that are participants in rape culture. It creates a bigger divide between men and women when in order to have equality both genders need to be on one accord. No man in the western world is tolerant of rape. Since a young age we are all taught what is rape.

[cja]

There's not a real villain in pervasive racism either, there are far, FAR more subtle racists than overt ones. And the covert part of any race, religious, ethnic etc "ism" is the more dangerous, becausr it has no individual face. it's ingrained in the very fabric of a culture. it's the same with sexism, rape culture ect. It's more a historical and culture remnant that has yet to be acknowledged and dealt with so it persists. It IS an idea, one rooted in superiority that allows a shift in focus to victim blaming, and it's an idea that pervades American culture (though I do think it has been shifting). And that is anything but overt, yes few men overtly condone rape.... I mean as long as it "legitimate rape" as defined by a group of men. As long as it's that kind of rape.

Edited January 14, 2016 by cja

[joystickd]

There's not a real villain in pervasive racism either, there are far, FAR more subtle racists than overt ones. And the covert part of any race, religious, ethnic etc "ism" is the more dangerous, becausr it has no individual face. it's ingrained in the very fabric of a culture. it's the same with sexism, rape culture ect. It's more a historical and culture remnant that has yet to be acknowledged and dealt with so it persists. It IS an idea, one rooted in superiority that allows a shift in focus to victim blaming, and it's an idea that pervades American culture (though I do think it has been shifting). And that is anything but overt, yes few men overtly condone rape.... I mean as long as it "legitimate rape" as defined by a group of men. As long as it's that kind of rape.

 

Rape culture can't be compared to racism.

[cja]

Rape culture can't be compared to racism.

 

Because....where is your evidence or reasoning? It makes discussion useless if you see no need to use evidence or reasoning. That's why I've only just now realized you can't discuss with those who take their utterances as self evident truths. It's mistaking opinion with reason. Now do I think racism is much, MUCH worse than sexism? Of course. Sojourner Truth exemplifies that. That doesn't mean that it along with every other "ism" isn't backed by a sometimes subtle yet persistent cultural victim blaming and shaming.

Edited January 14, 2016 by cja

[123321]

There's not a real villain in pervasive racism either, there are far, FAR more subtle racists than overt ones.

 

Explain what a subtle rapist is, and how we can see one.

[lollipopspot]

Rape culture can't be compared to racism.

 

Sure, because you consider yourself the victim of one and yet you're an excuser of sexism.

 

One is not worse than the other, one is just more politicized.

Why Are We More Offended By Racism Than Sexism? | BroadBlogs

[cja]

Explain what a subtle rapist is, and how we can see one.

The disingenuous duscussion continues. It's a cultural undertone of victim blaming, so I guess a subtle supporter of rape culture would be one who victim blames or shames by diverting the conversation to what a female was wearing, what she drank, or how she was asking for it. It's the focus on the victim.

[joystickd]

Sure, because you consider yourself the victim of one and yet you're an excuser of sexism.

 

One is not worse than the other, one is just more politicized.

Why Are We More Offended By Racism Than Sexism? | BroadBlogs

I've been a victim of prejudice but not racism. Looking at it I can't say a system has kept me from doing something.

[joystickd]

Sure, because you consider yourself the victim of one and yet you're an excuser of sexism.

 

One is not worse than the other, one is just more politicized.

Why Are We More Offended By Racism Than Sexism? | BroadBlogs

A link to support your argument from a feminist blog lol. I'm not an excuser of sexism. I'm for equality and against rape but not for the BS of feminism. I'm not for the promotion of division by using an phantom menace to gain allies. Rape culture and victim blaming is BS. A person's house gets broken into and the reason was they left the doors unlocked. Is telling them they should have locked their doors victim blaming? I think not. It's just saying use some common sense. No person is shifting the responsibility to you. It's simply saying that a person should take action to reduce the chances of being a victim.

 

I will us a quote from what RAINN recommended to the White House: In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.

 

That is a huge problem with the rape culture argument. Feminists essentially take blame from the rapists and put it on a "culture". It also trivializes the experience of survivors. Then it creates a problem where due to the outrage of women the system over corrects to fix the problem of this perceived "rape culture". When that happens men suffer because of the actions of rapists. Rapist are a very small segment of the male population. What about the small segment of women that are sex offenders? Is it rape culture that made them sex offenders? There lies another problem the very core concepts we now know as rape were created by a feminist. When looking at it the fact that a man could get raped is ignored. Where's the equality?

 

Another quote: RAINN explains that the trend of focusing on rape culture “has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions.”

 

Notice they said his or her actions. Take note of that. Wouldn't you as a woman want the criminals punished and accountable? The phantom menace of rape culture takes that away. Now feminists have opened the can of worms that could have a rapist go to court and use all the arguments for rape culture ex. I listened to these songs like Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines and thought it was ok to go and rape.

 

Everyone lets give feminism a round of applause for taking responsibility for rapists and trivializing the experiences of victims. Now they make it sound like all men want to do a number 6 like on Blazing Saddles. Oh that might be un PC for you feminist. I'm Black and its my favorite movie.

[joystickd]

The disingenuous duscussion continues. It's a cultural undertone of victim blaming, so I guess a subtle supporter of rape culture would be one who victim blames or shames by diverting the conversation to what a female was wearing, what she drank, or how she was asking for it. It's the focus on the victim.

That sounds like a feminist has her forearm in her a$$ to pull that one.

[Timshel]

Wow. Rape culture....I'm not sure what that means, exactly. Media promoting rape? Porn?

 

Here's what I know as a woman....I do not have men in my home when alone without considering safety. Ever.

I do not invite single/married male friends into my home by myself. Quite frankly, there have been many times I have felt uncomfortable, my inner alarm was on high alert and I know dam well that I am not a woman who is afraid or alarmist or dramatic. I am also not a woman who is uncomfortable among men.

 

I won't give any google stats. Quite frankly, you can tell me or any woman we are full of shyt to concern ourselves with being raped. No one will change my mind that a woman should take care and be cautious.

 

I do not know about 'rape culture' but I know as a woman I can be raped. Many women have been raped and molested. That any man on this forum would argue this is boggling. Men should talk to their mothers, sisters, friends and wives before spouting that women are being absurd to use caution around men. Disgustingly, around men that they know as much as strangers.

 

Disheartening, really. As a woman, the care I take for myself, friends and daughters is so ingrained. It's second nature. I consider it a way of life...an understood value, a very sad but realistic way of being.

 

I'm pretty disgusted with the posts attempting to defend anything contrary.

[joystickd]

Wow. Rape culture....I'm not sure what that means, exactly. Media promoting rape? Porn?

 

Here's what I know as a woman....I do not have men in my home when alone without considering safety. Ever.

I do not invite single/married male friends into my home by myself. Quite frankly, there have been many times I have felt uncomfortable, my inner alarm was on high alert and I know dam well that I am not a woman who is afraid or alarmist or dramatic. I am also not a woman who is uncomfortable among men.

 

I won't give any google stats. Quite frankly, you can tell me or any woman we are full of shyt to concern ourselves with being raped. No one will change my mind that a woman should take care and be cautious.

 

I do not know about 'rape culture' but I know as a woman I can be raped. Many women have been raped and molested. That any man on this forum would argue this is boggling. Men should talk to their mothers, sisters, friends and wives before spouting that women are being absurd to use caution around men. Disgustingly, around men that they know as much as strangers.

 

Disheartening, really. As a woman, the care I take for myself, friends and daughters is so ingrained. It's second nature. I consider it a way of life...an understood value, a very sad but realistic way of being.

 

I'm pretty disgusted with the posts attempting to defend anything contrary.

Here is the issue. Men acknowledge rape happens and think it's wrong but no man agrees that there is this culture that encourages men to rape and to dismiss women when they mention rape. You talk about using caution. Men on here mention it and we get crap from these fringe females saying we are victim blaming. How is taking caution and using some common sense victim blaming? That is the issue

[Timshel]

Here is the issue. Men acknowledge rape happens and think it's wrong but no man agrees that there is this culture that encourages men to rape and to dismiss women when they mention rape. You talk about using caution. Men on here mention it and we get crap from these fringe females saying we are victim blaming. How is taking caution and using some common sense victim blaming? That is the issue

 

I guess Joystickd what I'm saying is that if I have been raped and have known several times over that...except for foresight and prudence could have been raped again; that I will teach my daughter prudence and to do what has been/is taught; is that rape culture? It sure feels like it.

 

Now what are you saying about racism?

[123321]

I do not invite single/married male friends into my home by myself.

 

Get better friends.

[joystickd]

I guess Joystickd what I'm saying is that if I have been raped and have known several times over that...except for foresight and prudence could have been raped again; that I will teach my daughter prudence and to do what has been/is taught; is that rape culture? It sure feels like it.

 

Now what are you saying about racism?

That's for another thread

[Rejected Rosebud]

no man agrees that there is this culture that encourages men to rape and to dismiss women when they mention rape.

 

Yes, you do dismiss women when we mention rape, in this very thread.

 

It's not that the culture "encourages" men to rape. It's that women NEED to fear men and use extra caution with men because it's part of our culture that men might rape us.

 

If there was no such thing as "rape culture" then people like YOU wouldn't be telling women here that we need to use caution when we are around men.

 

You talk about using caution. Men on here mention it and we get crap from these fringe females saying we are victim blaming. How is taking caution and using some common sense victim blaming?

Using caution isn't victim blaming. Guys like YOU who are denying rape culture and in the same breath telling us to use caution so we won't get raped are a big problem.