Old Maids in the future will be men

[oldshirt]

Well the 25-year-old virgin men can always date an old-maid cougar...

 

Wouldn't that solve the problem?

 

 

 

But if there are greater numbers of men the men will likely lock down what mates are available to them so there won't be these large numbers of single cougars. They would have all been married off in their 20s.

 

 

(not "all" of course, there will always be outliers, but figuratively speaking there won't be the number of unattached cougars that there has typically been)

[Tayla]

No.

 

 

My point was raising boys that being a good person, sober and employed was enough to get a partner is shortchanging them on many of the other facets of manhood and masculinity.

 

Thank you for clarifying . Since its being surmised that they are being shortchanged- What is being shortchanged? Sometimes simplicity in life does produce wonderful results. Location in itself can play a role, Or even the fact that gender preference is still not welcoming in some areas of modern day society. We are assuming here that you are speaking of the old fashion male/female relations, Which in itself is becoming the exception....

 

I like the poster that is secure in his bachelorhood. He nailed it.

[Mrin]

Interesting. But the gay will even things out. ;-)

[xxoo]

No.

 

 

My point was raising boys that being a good person, sober and employed was enough to get a partner is shortchanging them on many of the other facets of manhood and masculinity.

 

Why don't boys learn about manhood and masculinity from the culture? From the more masculine peers around them? Masculinity is highly prized, so why wouldn't they aspire to it?

[thefooloftheyear]

I think the dynamic is different for men and women anyway....When I say this, most middle aged guys I know really dont have much interest in relationships once the sex drive ship sails...add ED to the picture and its another nail in the coffin...Have you ever noticed that its mostly women in the Viagra ads? Interesting....Its almost like they are trying to get women to urge this on the guy, because the guy wont bother...

 

I know several middle aged guys that are completely happy with the fact that they have no women in their lives and have seemingly no desire to even get in the game..Immerse themselves in hobby, take life's pleasures with work/career and food/drink....Some have even spoke of being "liberated", now that they are no longer being governed by a hard on..

 

For practically all of the single middle aged women I know its kind of the opposite...They could have been divorced and dropped on their heads a dozen times, yet still long for the proverbial Knight in Shining Armor..

 

That seems to be the way it is now...Maybe these same whining Millennial virgins will be crushed by being alone and single once middle aged...Sex drive or not...Perhaps its because they never had their day, but I dunno...

 

Something to ponder....I guess we'll see how it works out as time goes on..

 

TFY

[Revolver]

Nobody wants to live in a society around tons of perpetual single dudes who can't get any, That's dangerous especially combined with a horrible economy

[loveweary11]

Interesting. But the gay will even things out. ;-)

 

Ahhh.. we forgot about this part.

 

A significant factor in this conversation.

 

To be accurate, we would need to include percentage of gay/lesbian into the numbers. They aren't an anomaly when looking at the actual numbers posted my Mrdlii earlier in the thread.

 

They could, depending on the ratio of single gays to single lesbians, account for the discrepancy.

[loveweary11]

Why don't boys learn about manhood and masculinity from the culture? From the more masculine peers around them? Masculinity is highly prized, so why wouldn't they aspire to it?

 

Because it's not highly prized.

 

I grew up with no father figure, surrounded by only women.

 

The only man that was in my life wasba physically abusive step father that caused me to be homeless and living out of a car at age 17.

 

I didn't discover what being a man actually was until I was well into my 10 year marriage.

 

I have been with the most feminine, hot girls on Earth and being manly, which I wasn't at all, had no bearing on it.

 

In my experience, more women prefer intelligence over manliness.

 

In fact, now that I've developed a more manly projection, women think I'm less intelligent and I think I've lost a bit of advantage when it comes to long term potential as a boyfriend.

 

I had more "sticking power" when I was less manly and more cute/smart. Now I'm more often in the hook up category.

[joystickd]

Eh...I dunno....

 

Right now the world is inundated with un-masculine girly-men who were probably raised either by single mothers or parents who believed in gender neutrality... These guys seem to be the least attractive, and the ones who cant get laid..

 

The imbalance will probably correct itself at some point...these things often do.....

 

Maybe we'll be like Spotted Hyenas where the females are the dominant gender...I dunno...By that time I'll be dead...

 

The good news here is that if you are a true Alpha type of man with masculine tendencies, you have little competition from these other guys, and move to the front of the line with many women, even progressive types...And no, you don't have to be highly educated or rich....There are inmates and "bad boys" that have women fighting over them..even good looking, wealthy and educated women...

 

I guess we'll see...I will say that I never remember guys from my era bemoaning of lack of success with women or getting laid like the posts I read on here..It was unheard of...Some of the most low level guys out there at the time were still finding takers..

 

I dunno....

 

TFY

Well that is what happens when guys are raised by single moms. I'll speak on this but it has a certain perspective on it that some will not understand. If one looks at my pics I'm Black. Most Black guys that I know that are not married or have trouble with women are raised by single mothers. That's not to say all single mothers can't raise guys but there are quite a few that lack the objectivity to be able to raise a male. I've know males that spent their life hearing how terrible men are from their moms, sisters, aunts, grandmothers, etc. Generations of single moms insulting the opposite gender because of bitterness. When one even looks at the "deadbeat" dads in this community notice how many are raised by single mothers. I've seen the guys that actually wanted to take care of their kids but had the kids mother do things like start an argument then escalate the situation and then call the police to get them arrested. Now they have a charge and made it harder for them to get a job. The number of women that are just bitter these days and pass on that negative energy onto men.

 

Anyway back to old maid men. The biggest problems these days is that men that have trouble with women are looked down on for actually seeking out solutions for their problem. If its not woman based advice then is misogynist. I know I had trouble with women and a lot of that was because I was in a small town and I had ADHD which I was diagnosed with last year.

[xxoo]

Because it's not highly prized.

 

I grew up with no father figure, surrounded by only women.

 

The only man that was in my life wasba physically abusive step father that caused me to be homeless and living out of a car at age 17.

 

I didn't discover what being a man actually was until I was well into my 10 year marriage.

 

I have been with the most feminine, hot girls on Earth and being manly, which I wasn't at all, had no bearing on it.

 

In my experience, more women prefer intelligence over manliness.

 

In fact, now that I've developed a more manly projection, women think I'm less intelligent and I think I've lost a bit of advantage when it comes to long term potential as a boyfriend.

 

I had more "sticking power" when I was less manly and more cute/smart. Now I'm more often in the hook up category.

 

While I'm genuinely sorry for your experience, one only needs to walk through the halls of a high school to see that masculinity is highly prized. The cheerleaders are with the football players, even now in 2015.

 

How do so many boys completely miss the masculine examples throughout teen years?

[loveweary11]

While I'm genuinely sorry for your experience, one only needs to walk through the halls of a high school to see that masculinity is highly prized. The cheerleaders are with the football players, even now in 2015.

 

How do so many boys completely miss the masculine examples throughout teen years?

 

That wasn't my experience.

 

The sports guys didn't get the captain of the cheerleading squad in my high school. I did!

 

College? President of AZD sorority and I wasn't even in the greek system. lol

 

They weren't as cool as I was. I wasn't manly by any definition of what everyone here describes it as. Not by a long shot. I skated and snowboarded and partied, but had no manly qualities. I was cute/cool.

 

I got the #1 hottest cheerleader. Not them.

 

It had nothing to do with manly.

 

It had everything to do with being cool and knowing how to communicate with women better than other guys, which is still what gets me tons of girls to this day.

 

The manliness quality isn't even close to the power of intelligence and communication in getting girls overall. Quite possibly in your case, yes... but out in the general population, intelligence and communication skills, coupled with being fun/cool wins every time.

 

Most girls make fun of overly manly dbags. They are repulsed by dumb apes (as they put it)

Edited December 30, 2015 by loveweary11

[xxoo]

That wasn't my experience.

 

The sports guys didn't get the captain of the cheerleading squad in my high school. I did!

 

They weren't as cool as I was. I wasn't manly by and definition of what everyone here describes it as. Not by a long shot. I skated and snowboarded and partied, but had no manly qualities. I was cute/cool.

 

I got the #1 hottest cheerleader. Not them.

 

It had nothing to do with manly.

 

It had everything to do with being cool and knowing how to communicate with women better than other guys, which is still what gets me tons of girls to this day.

 

The manliness quality isn't even close to the power of intelligence and communication in getting girls overall. Quite possibly in your case, yes... but out in the general population, intelligence and communication skills, coupled with being fun/cool wins every time.

 

Skaters are masculine. So are snowboarders. Athletes, risk takers....masculine.

 

I've got kids. My boy is masculine and popular with the girls (he skates AND plays football ). My girl is feminine and popular with the boys. She likes masculine boys--athletes. The natural magnetism of feminine and masculine is alive and well from what I can see.

 

If boys aren't getting a masculine example at home, I really don't know how they are missing it in school. Even in elementary school, the tallest, strongest, fastest, boldest boy is King.

[joystickd]

That wasn't my experience.

 

The sports guys didn't get the captain of the cheerleading squad in my high school. I did!

 

They weren't as cool as I was. I wasn't manly by any definition of what everyone here describes it as. Not by a long shot. I skated and snowboarded and partied, but had no manly qualities. I was cute/cool.

 

I got the #1 hottest cheerleader. Not them.

 

It had nothing to do with manly.

 

It had everything to do with being cool and knowing how to communicate with women better than other guys, which is still what gets me tons of girls to this day.

 

The manliness quality isn't even close to the power of intelligence and communication in getting girls overall. Quite possibly in your case, yes... but out in the general population, intelligence and communication skills, coupled with being fun/cool wins every time.

 

Most girls make fun of overly manly dbags. They are repulsed by dumb apes (as they put it)

You actually had manly qualities. You skated and snowboarded. That in itself shows risk taking behavior with on some level is manly. The big problem is men of this current generation have no idea what manly behavior is. All we know is what the media and feminism negatively portrays.

 

Being a man is knowing who you are as a person and being comfortable with it. It's being able to take some risks. It's being ambitious, having some aggression, being a leader not a follower, and being consistent. You don't have to be muscular for that.

 

Anyway most of the douchebag guys you know are so insecure and not manly its a shame.

[joystickd]

Skaters are masculine. So are snowboarders. Athletes, risk takers....masculine.

 

I've got kids. My boy is masculine and popular with the girls (he skates AND plays football ). My girl is feminine and popular with the boys. She likes masculine boys--athletes. The natural magnetism of feminine and masculine is alive and well from what I can see.

 

If boys aren't getting a masculine example at home, I really don't know how they are missing it in school. Even in elementary school, the tallest, strongest, fastest, boldest boy is King.

They miss it because boys look to men for masculinity not other boys. That will be the blind leading the blind another problem why masculinity is understood in this generation.

[serial muse]

Arm-wavy thread alert! Let's spin some census data into a TOTAL CRISIS OF EPIC PROPORTIONS that indicts feminism, single moms, and of course modern society, much in the way that similar issues have been indicted for decades, but this time it's a MAJOR CRISIS and we have to DO SOMETHING. This theory is entirely logical and does not contain any giant leaps of logic.

 

There are more men now than there used to be, because medical science! They live longer and the male babies die less often and also there are fewer wars. This is a crisis for men, obviously, because I read something on RooshV that said so. Thanks, feminism.

 

"Thanks, feminism" is the new "Thanks, Obama."

 

Edit: For fun, let's reconcile this "too many men crisis!!!1!" with the "not enough men in college relative to women!!!1!" crisis. There is clearly no way in which both of these are not feminism's fault, even though they are kind of in contradiction with each other. But we need someone to blame for something!

Edited December 30, 2015 by serial muse

[xxoo]

They miss it because boys look to men for masculinity not other boys. That will be the blind leading the blind another problem why masculinity is understood in this generation.

 

I don't really get that. Do they not see who gets attention from girls, and why?

 

Is this why there is an assumption that girls women like bad boys, because the boys who were raised strictly to be "nice" think men who are leaders and risk takers are "bad"?

[thefooloftheyear]

Arm-wavy thread alert! Let's spin some census data into a TOTAL CRISIS OF EPIC PROPORTIONS that indicts feminism, single moms, and of course modern society, much in the way that similar issues have been indicted for decades, but this time it's a MAJOR CRISIS and we have to DO SOMETHING. This theory is entirely logical and does not contain any giant leaps of logic.

 

There are more men now than there used to be, because medical science! They live longer and the male babies die less often and also there are fewer wars. This is a crisis for men, obviously, because I read something on RooshV that said so. Thanks, feminism.

 

"Thanks, feminism" is the new "Thanks, Obama."

 

Edit: For fun, let's reconcile this "too many men crisis!!!1!" with the "not enough men in college relative to women!!!1!" crisis. There is clearly no way in which both of these are not feminism's fault, even though they are kind of in contradiction with each other. But we need someone to blame for something!

 

Do you know why men die before women?

 

Because they want to....

 

TFY

[joystickd]

Well that is what happens when guys are raised by single moms. I'll speak on this but it has a certain perspective on it that some will not understand. If one looks at my pics I'm Black. Most Black guys that I know that are not married or have trouble with women are raised by single mothers. That's not to say all single mothers can't raise guys but there are quite a few that lack the objectivity to be able to raise a male. I've know males that spent their life hearing how terrible men are from their moms, sisters, aunts, grandmothers, etc. Generations of single moms insulting the opposite gender because of bitterness. When one even looks at the "deadbeat" dads in this community notice how many are raised by single mothers. I've seen the guys that actually wanted to take care of their kids but had the kids mother do things like start an argument then escalate the situation and then call the police to get them arrested. Now they have a charge and made it harder for them to get a job. The number of women that are just bitter these days and pass on that negative energy onto men.

 

Anyway back to old maid men. The biggest problems these days is that men that have trouble with women are looked down on for actually seeking out solutions for their problem. If its not woman based advice then is misogynist. I know I had trouble with women and a lot of that was because I was in a small town and I had ADHD which I was diagnosed with last year.

 

I quoted this to bring up another point. In the inner city among Black males the pimp is the quintessential example of masculinity for them. On the outside its well that is a poor example but really looking at it and seeing it one understands why. As a male growing up in that area being made to feel bad about being a male because of having bitter female parental figures and being outnumber family wise by women he is the man that controls women. He is the man that demonstrates a lot of masculine qualities that women are attracted to. Let's be honest here the reason men do a lot of things is to get women. If a man could get a woman and live in a cardboard box that would be all they aspire for but men have careers, drive nice cars, and have big houses to get women. If a man wasn't looking for that then he would drive a geo and live in a crappy apartment. The big problem is we poorly train young men about manhood partly due to feminism. I'm for equality but against over correction for bad behavior and attacking the opposite group for being who they are. Its created a watered down bunch of males and now the bad boy is seen by some guys as what women desire because we don't see the businessman, doctor, construction worker, etc that is meeting women and having success. As men in the world we need to be examples for the younger generation and show them images that are not what the media and fringe feminism wants to portray.

[joystickd]

I don't really get that. Do they not see who gets attention from girls, and why?

 

Is this why there is an assumption that girls women like bad boys, because the boys who were raised strictly to be "nice" think men who are leaders and risk takers are "bad"?

No the assumption came from the media. Look at a show like Sons of Anarchy for example a character like Jax get women. You even have a scene on the show with him riding down the street and women staring at him in excitement. Then in real life you see guys like this having the women. The problem becomes you don't see the guys with careers that have women looking at them and having success with women. These boys now associate being a bad boy with success with women. As a woman its something you don't get. It's hard being a boy and talking to another boy for advice on women because they a lot of times don't even understand the fundamental reason they get attention from girls. Usually the answers are I play sports, skate, etc. Being a man means having the maturity to understand those fundamental reasons that is why it better for a man to say it than a boy. A boy will give you a simple reason because of the lack of understanding. The boy even looking at a boy that get attention will miss those connections to the fundamental reasons why.

 

The thing about nice is women are never clear about that. Women can't fully articulate why certain things are attractive to them. A man being logical expects a response that gives a fundamental reason for the emotional response.

[loveweary11]

Skaters are masculine. So are snowboarders. Athletes, risk takers....masculine.

 

I've got kids. My boy is masculine and popular with the girls (he skates AND plays football ). My girl is feminine and popular with the boys. She likes masculine boys--athletes. The natural magnetism of feminine and masculine is alive and well from what I can see.

 

If boys aren't getting a masculine example at home, I really don't know how they are missing it in school. Even in elementary school, the tallest, strongest, fastest, boldest boy is King.

 

Ok. Apparently I STILL don't understand what being a man is. :lmao:

 

Kind of sad that you all had to explain it to me.

 

I was and still am always a leader, early adopter, huge risk taker. Have no fear (except being alone at a large event... lol), do my own thing, etc.

 

I didn't realize these were manly traits.

 

I thought they were all of that more douchey stuff like you'd picture some Harley guy trying to project.

 

As many times as it's said on here, I still can't seem to quite understand what being a man is.

[joystickd]

Ok. Apparently I STILL don't understand what being a man is. :lmao:

 

Kind of sad that you all had to explain it to me.

 

I was and still am always a leader, early adopter, huge risk taker. Have no fear (except being alone at a large event... lol), do my own thing, etc.

 

I didn't realize these were manly traits.

 

I thought they were all of that more douchey stuff like you'd picture some Harley guy trying to project.

 

As many times as it's said on here, I still can't seem to quite understand what being a man is.

Women don't understand either that is why you get some that are attracted to the Harley guy because they have never in real life or in the media seen a man project qualities and not be a douche.

[loveweary11]

Joystick... how old are you?

 

This is like Ghandi level wisdom.

 

Amazing insight.

[xxoo]

Ok. Apparently I STILL don't understand what being a man is. :lmao:

 

Kind of sad that you all had to explain it to me.

 

I was and still am always a leader, early adopter, huge risk taker. Have no fear (except being alone at a large event... lol), do my own thing, etc.

 

I didn't realize these were manly traits.

 

I thought they were all of that more douchey stuff like you'd picture some Harley guy trying to project.

 

As many times as it's said on here, I still can't seem to quite understand what being a man is.

 

No the assumption came from the media. Look at a show like Sons of Anarchy for example a character like Jax get women. You even have a scene on the show with him riding down the street and women staring at him in excitement. Then in real life you see guys like this having the women. The problem becomes you don't see the guys with careers that have women looking at them and having success with women. These boys now associate being a bad boy with success with women. As a woman its something you don't get. It's hard being a boy and talking to another boy for advice on women because they a lot of times don't even understand the fundamental reason they get attention from girls. Usually the answers are I play sports, skate, etc. Being a man means having the maturity to understand those fundamental reasons that is why it better for a man to say it than a boy. A boy will give you a simple reason because of the lack of understanding. The boy even looking at a boy that get attention will miss those connections to the fundamental reasons why.

 

The thing about nice is women are never clear about that. Women can't fully articulate why certain things are attractive to them. A man being logical expects a response that gives a fundamental reason for the emotional response.

 

Both of these post mention Harley type (Jax Teller being one).

 

I'm a HUGE Jax Teller fan. Why? Because he's strong and protective. That's extremely attractive, for reasons that are obvious to me. The crime and violence of the show is very unattractive, and I don't watch those scenes!

 

It's easy for me to articulate what masculine features are attractive to me: physical and emotional strength, protectiveness, ability and desire to provide.

 

I'm getting an idea that when a "nice" boy/man sees a masculine man having success with women, he focuses on his perceived bad qualities rather than his good qualities, and conclude that women like him for the negative reasons. That makes no sense.

[xxoo]

Women don't understand either that is why you get some that are attracted to the Harley guy because they have never in real life or in the media seen a man project qualities and not be a douche.

 

Why do Harley guys get such a bad rap?

 

I'm married to a wonderful Harley guy All his motorcycle enthusiast buddies are equally great guys.

[loveweary11]

Why do Harley guys get such a bad rap?

 

I'm married to a wonderful Harley guy All his motorcycle enthusiast buddies are equally great guys.

 

Honestly, and I am sorry this will offend you...

 

For me it's because they are disingenuous and followers.

 

My opinion, as much as you won't agree, is that they think they're all tough because they went to the store and bought a particular brand of motorcycle and orange and black costume to go along with it.

 

Reeks of being a p*ssy and a follower in my book.

 

All image.

 

They try too hard and aren't as tough as the fake persona they wear.

 

Sorry again. I know you're going to hate me...

 

Had to be honest.

 

Oh, and they need to get mufflers. There is nothing cool about ruining people's conversations with loud, slow, poor handling bikes. lol