bluefeather Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well if anyone falls for my fake profile then they're idiots... So basically if they get their feelings hurt, too bad, because they're dumb. I get the feeling that this has much less to do with your silly hypothesis (and it is silly to me because you don't need an experiment like this to prove looks are important) and more to do with getting attention you desire, that you can't get otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites
Lois_Griffin Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I always knew that better looking people would have better luck with women. I don't think that is a big secret. What did shock me was the difference better pics made online. I can still scarcely believe it, and I saw it for myself. Sending better messages, writing a better profile, pretty much useless advice for men. If men want to do better with OLD, they need better pictures. That's about the only advice anyone should ever get on here. It is extremely rare that anything else would actually be holding a guy back online. That's correct. I've seen guys agonize over every little word in their profiles and the truth is, ain't no one going to read it anyway if you look like a bridge troll. Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 I always knew that better looking people would have better luck with women. I don't think that is a big secret. What did shock me was the difference better pics made online. I can still scarcely believe it, and I saw it for myself. Sending better messages, writing a better profile, pretty much useless advice for men. If men want to do better with OLD, they need better pictures. That's about the only advice anyone should ever get on here. It is extremely rare that anything else would actually be holding a guy back online. This is what shocked me. I never, for one moment thought that having photos of a good looking guy wouldn't do better than my own. But the sheer SCALE of the difference is what, well I have to say, troubles me. With the fake profiles I could set up 3 dates a night continually if I had the organisational commitment and will. I would never run out of dates. Seriously those profiles just have women throwing themselves at them day and night. With my own profile I could message 500 women and I would probably get 2 half-hearted responses. That's a difference which really does make a lie of the idea that what you write will make any difference. Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 So basically if they get their feelings hurt, too bad, because they're dumb. I get the feeling that this has much less to do with your silly hypothesis (and it is silly to me because you don't need an experiment like this to prove looks are important) and more to do with getting attention you desire, that you can't get otherwise. No I'm saying I am doing nothing to lead anyone to fall for the profile. Unless you really believe that someone can fall in love with just a photo. If anyone does that then they have problems that pre-date and will certainly postdate a 10 minute encounter with a fake profile online. Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 That's correct. I've seen guys agonize over every little word in their profiles and the truth is, ain't no one going to read it anyway if you look like a bridge troll. Yep. It's hardly worth me writing a profile as it's very rare any woman even looks at it. The main photo is enough for them to click 'next'. Link to post Share on other sites
bluefeather Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 No I'm saying I am doing nothing to lead anyone to fall for the profile. Unless you really believe that someone can fall in love with just a photo. If anyone does that then they have problems that pre-date and will certainly postdate a 10 minute encounter with a fake profile online. You make fake accounts using other men's pictures to get attention from women online. Talk about having problems... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 You make fake accounts using other men's pictures to get attention from women online. Talk about having problems... No I did it to test out whether it was my face, messages or profile that was the problem. I found out. Though I must admit it was nice to have some attention from the opposite sex...even if it was a sham. Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Yep. It's hardly worth me writing a profile as it's very rare any woman even looks at it. The main photo is enough for them to click 'next'. Ha! Men are no different in that department 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Ha! Men are no different in that department I have no doubt that's true. I'm not really seeking to make this a men vs. women issue. I think the more hamrful thing is the myth that women are more receptive to less ttractive men. I don't believe this is at all the case. Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Ha! Men are no different in that department NO NO NO!!!! Okay yeah it's true.......but not as much as girls! Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I have no doubt that's true. I'm not really seeking to make this a men vs. women issue. I think the more hamrful thing is the myth that women are more receptive to less ttractive men. I don't believe this is at all the case. But you are making this a men vs. women issue. OLD is one dimensional and nothing more than a virtual catalog. No one gives a sh*t if you have nice personality or love dogs or volunteer at a soup kitchen. Those things come up later...much later...if you're lucky. Get off OLD and things are different. Very different. I've already spoken about how I've personally dated men who weren't conventionally handsome or wouldn't have otherwise registered on my radar if it weren't for the fact that I got to talk with them, engage with them, spend time and experience their charm, wit, personality, ability to communicate, etc. Those things can, for many women anyway, elevate someone's attractiveness. It certainly does for me. Would it be the same online? Probably not because very few people, men or women, bother taking the time to get to know anyone beyond their initial pics. But again, this is nothing new or unusual and certainly not just an "ugly" male problem. If you think women are hard on men, try walking a mile in women's shoes and see how it feels to live up to societal standards. Perhaps you need to step away from the computer and try engaging with women in real life for a change. Clearly the online thing isn't working so why you continue with it is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) But you are making this a men vs. women issue. OLD is one dimensional and nothing more than a virtual catalog. No one gives a sh*t if you have nice personality or love dogs or volunteer at a soup kitchen. Those things come up later...much later...if you're lucky. Get off OLD and things are different. Very different. I've already spoken about how I've personally dated men who weren't conventionally handsome or wouldn't have otherwise registered on my radar if it weren't for the fact that I got to talk with them, engage with them, spend time and experience their charm, wit, personality, ability to communicate, etc. Those things can, for many women anyway, elevate someone's attractiveness. It certainly does for me. Would it be the same online? Probably not because very few people, men or women, bother taking the time to get to know anyone beyond their initial pics. But again, this is nothing new or unusual and certainly not just an "ugly" male problem. If you think women are hard on men, try walking a mile in women's shoes and see how it feels to live up to societal standards. Perhaps you need to step away from the computer and try engaging with women in real life for a change. Clearly the online thing isn't working so why you continue with it is beyond me. 1, This is exactly what I have said. OLD is shallow and both men and women only go on looks on these sites. 2, My problem is more that too many people are unwilling to admit this. Generally when I have read earlier threads the guys complaining of this have been told that it's their profile blurb, or their messages or they are giving off negative vibes. It takes being given evidence of such things as fake profiles for people to suddenly go: 'Well of course it's looks silly'. Part of the reason I wrote the original posts on this is for the other guys who feel like their hitting their head against a brick wall online and then they're coming onto sites like this and being told stupid things rather than just being honestly told that it doesn't matter what they write or say, if they look bad they'll get nowhere. 3, I have, for all intents and purposes given up on OLD. I'm certainly not trying to meet anyone from it now. I admit I have a compulsion to do the fake profile thing. To really dig into the nitty gritty of it. I do think that it's too easy to dismiss the online thing as being unreal somehow. I think that it is online where people can just be themselves and set their preferences the way they like without societal pressures. I will admit that the experience has seriously affected both my confidence and my view on how I am perceived. However, it's done now and I'm just not the sort of person who likes to live in ignorant bliss and pretend that the Easter Bunny exists because it'll make my life happier. 4, I would love to be able to get out and meet people IRL, but I just have no time. When I do have an hour or so in my week that I am free it is usually at about 4am as I work nights. The only time I am awake and active during normal hours I am looking after my daughter. Edited February 6, 2016 by AverageJoe1986 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Average Joe, do you really want people to tell you you're not attractive? Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Average Joe, do you really want people to tell you you're not attractive? No I want people to accept that not being physically attractive is, in itself, a reason why someone might have no success in OLD. Go back to old threads on this exact subject. Posters are saying that because they are not good looking they cannot get success online. Everyone is telling them that it has nothing to do with looks, it's what you write etc etc. I come along and post what I post and the same people are saying 'Well of course it's about looks. OLD is shallow'. Only when evidence is presented do people own up to the truth that they already know, but somehow feel socially obliged to ignore. I don't want anyone to tell me I am unattractive. I just know that given how utterly invisible my profile has been online I must be. Link to post Share on other sites
SwordofFlame Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 No I want people to accept that not being physically attractive is, in itself, a reason why someone might have no success in OLD. Go back to old threads on this exact subject. Posters are saying that because they are not good looking they cannot get success online. Everyone is telling them that it has nothing to do with looks, it's what you write etc etc. I come along and post what I post and the same people are saying 'Well of course it's about looks. OLD is shallow'. Only when evidence is presented do people own up to the truth that they already know, but somehow feel socially obliged to ignore. I don't want anyone to tell me I am unattractive. I just know that given how utterly invisible my profile has been online I must be. The founders of Tinder believe the only thing that matters is how you look. Given the app's popularity, they're correct. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 The founders of Tinder believe the only thing that matters is how you look. Given the app's popularity, they're correct. Of course. And you know, in the guise of my fake profiles, the women I've spoken to have all, and I mean ALL, admitted when asked about this that they will only interact with a man online if they find him physically attractive. It's not that it's any revelation. All of us average to not so average looking guys have always really known this. It's just that when we say this, we're called out as whingers and it's our attitude or lack of confidence. And it's genuinely not fair because then guys will just twist themselves in knots. It's also the only way POF, or OKCupid can make money. The people who can get success on these sites don't need to pay so they have to sell upgrades as the magic bullett to the guys who aren't getting a response. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bluefeather Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 It's just that when we say this, we're called out as whingers and it's our attitude or lack of confidence. And it's genuinely not fair because then guys will just twist themselves in knots. That does not justify stealing someone else's identity. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 That does not justify stealing someone else's identity. Maybe not. Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Yeah I don't get some of the advice on here. Another is when they tell you you're doing something to attract the wrong kinda women, that's why you're attracting the bad ones. Like I'm wearing this dorky ass sweater, WTH else you want me to do? Lol Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Yeah I don't get some of the advice on here. Another is when they tell you you're doing something to attract the wrong kinda women, that's why you're attracting the bad ones. Like I'm wearing this dorky ass sweater, WTH else you want me to do? Lol My very favourite is one I've just been reading from a thread that is about 6 years old now. Pretty much the same complaints from guys. A fair amount of stuff about confidence, attitude etc is given as advice and then, 3,2,1...'I don't find conventionally good looking men to be attractive personally'. Every time. Like clockwork. It seems that not a single woman finds conventionally hot guys to be hot. It is a genuine mystery to me how these men got to become, BY CONVENTION, considered to be so attractive. It tends to make matters worse really, because if you tell a guy who feels like no woman is attracted to him that attraction is subjective and women go for many different things, the guy will wonder why amongst the infinite variety of looks that women like, he is the one who seems to conform to NONE of them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You make some good points, but I don't think this forum is to be taken seriously. And to be fair, this, like online dating is the internet. When you look at couples, it's not what you see online. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 You make some good points, but I don't think this forum is to be taken seriously. And to be fair, this, like online dating is the internet. When you look at couples, it's not what you see online. All the more reason, if you ask me, to scrap all OLD sites. They're just a weird netherworld. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Anymore interactions between the fake hot guy profile and women who have no chance with him? Link to post Share on other sites
Author AverageJoe1986 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Anymore interactions between the fake hot guy profile and women who have no chance with him? Well I am being rather tame now and just measuring out rough numbers and looking for vague patterns. There was quite a funny one which I posted a but about yesterday on another thread. I told this woman that I was writing the authorised biography of this dreadful by once popular British comedy duo called Little and Large. I said I was a huge fan and this would be my life's work. So she watched the entire hour long Xmas special they made in 1980,on YouTube, and pretended to love it. And I know she was pretending because it is genuinely one of the most rancidly unfunny hours of television ever broadcast. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
LookAtThisPOst Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 My very favourite is one I've just been reading from a thread that is about 6 years old now. Pretty much the same complaints from guys. A fair amount of stuff about confidence, attitude etc is given as advice and then, 3,2,1...'I don't find conventionally good looking men to be attractive personally'. Every time. Like clockwork. It seems that not a single woman finds conventionally hot guys to be hot. It is a genuine mystery to me how these men got to become, BY CONVENTION, considered to be so attractive. It tends to make matters worse really, because if you tell a guy who feels like no woman is attracted to him that attraction is subjective and women go for many different things, the guy will wonder why amongst the infinite variety of looks that women like, he is the one who seems to conform to NONE of them. I know what you mean. The last women I tried to get with romantically said when she found me "attractive" she said she found my personality and traits attractive. Which is another way of saying, "I don't find you physically attractive." I was dumped in the friendzone. When we first met, she said she liked the fact that I didn't try to be flashy in trying to impress he with my status or money and such. I was like "Wow, she's NOT into those kinds of guys, so she's into me!" With the way she talked and phrased words, I thought for some reason, she was into me....she was into me alright...but not romantically. I tend to attract some women that like my sense of humor. Funny, how a lot women say, "If you can make a woman laugh you're pretty much IN as the new boyfriend." I seem to attract women in a way that's non-romantic. Most like me, but...not in THAT way. "You're a great guy and have all the traits in a guy I'm looking for, but I won't let you touch me." Link to post Share on other sites
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