Consolidated Discussion: Height in Dating

[jay1983]

About a year I was posting here, I don't remember the thread or what it was about. The tall guy thing came up and I called BS. I was then challenged and told to look on match. You know, I thought maybe just the taller girls and maybe the especially attractive would list a requirement of 5'10" 6 foot, whatever. Well I created a profile, answered a sh*tload of questions so I could browse, and there it was. Very first profile 5'10" click for the next 5'10" click 5'10", click 6 foot, click, click, click......it was just about all of them. Didn't matter if they were cute or not. I had to go through like 20 to find one who listed 5'7". That wasn't the only thing though, it was like 5'10" had to be white with a bachelor's degree, a high salary and I've only seen very objectively attractive men have success.

 

Sh*t's crazy.

 

I don't know what to tell you NJ123. I mean I see short guys with hot gals all the time and occasionally with taller girls. (Usually the guy's kinda muscular). Anyways, I stay off dating sites. I'm actually 5'11", my profile gets a lot of attention. girls rating me hot or matching with gals who I also rated hot and occasionally a firstt message sent by them. But what ends up happening is mostly gals who just like to flirt and chit chat, whit no intention to meet in person. So much of the same thing over and over memakes me question the gender, and not in a positive way. I stick to real life meetings and prefer girls who don't use dating sites.

[NJ123]

omgosh we are getting somewhere!!!! (is there a bunny jumping for joy emoji!!!???)

 

Listen, i really want you to get a gf. first step is to get yourself to at LEAST neutral about your belief system. Just tell yourself that "it may be possible". If you stop looking for reasons of "why it will never work for you", your mind will start looking for ways to make it work. I realize that's a significant leap given your current belief system so at least try to get to neutral-where you believe it may be possible, that's it. Then when you are out, try to look for examples of couples where the guy is on shorter side--around your height. Gather evidence. Go back and read this thread and make note of how many times within you were given examples by people on this thread. (i'll start: I had a bf who was 5'7"; i've also had one that was 6'6" and to describe my thought process is that once a guy meets my threshold of what I find attractive, made up of a variety of traits, I'm not going to throw him out just for his height, nor is it going to be the be all, end all). We can give you hope and examples and help you throughout the process and strategize with you but you have to give yourself that chance as well by being open to the possibility that you just might find a gf, have success dating. Then next you gotta WORK to get rid of the hangup about height---it's gonna hurt your chances more than your actual height!!! And then you need to emphasize the areas in which you outshine others. Do you know yours? I did think I saw a glimpse of humor which actually made you seem cooler and more attractive than when you were complaining. I can keep going on but this is a start and I put on my other post where you should look (it's not online for you-which is also not really that great for most people btw).

 

ps. I know you want a potential gf to "prefer" you in ALL ways. Maybe with your inexperience, you have never experienced this: that one day, this person who is far from perfect and not what you expected to be in love with at all is exactly what you needed and wanted all along....someone will feel exactly like that about you and vice versa. And you will be surprising them with things they never imagined and be perfect for them. Be that guy.

 

lol true. I think what gets me so hung up on the height thing is with online dating & reading threads on this forum & other forums of guys complaining that they can't find a girlfriend due to their height. I just wish that online dating catered to me though since it would make things a lot easier, but at 5'6" (5'7" if I want to cheat with shoes on) there's not many options at all for guys my height through OLD. It's a shame, but I guess it is what it is. I wish I can change it, but it's not realistic.

 

And I do see guys my height that have g/fs at my job, the women are always shorter than the guy. It seems my best bet for one thing is that I need to aim for women shorter than me since the odds are a woman that's 5'9" for instance will probably in all likely hood reject me. I wouldn't have a problem at all dating a woman that height though. I constantly see women taller than me that are very attractive that I wouldn't hesitate for a second of going out with if I had the opportunity. It just makes me wonder how they all do it though. I wish I could just flat out ask these guys where & how they meet their g/fs but that would be extremely awkward to do while I'm at work. It feels like all these people that actually meet others for relationships have special abilities that I just don't possess.

 

I'm not sure what you mean with them being far from perfect? In what ways exactly? Maybe you can elaborate on that?

[NJ123]

About a year I was posting here, I don't remember the thread or what it was about. The tall guy thing came up and I called BS. I was then challenged and told to look on match. You know, I thought maybe just the taller girls and maybe the especially attractive would list a requirement of 5'10" 6 foot, whatever. Well I created a profile, answered a sh*tload of questions so I could browse, and there it was. Very first profile 5'10" click for the next 5'10" click 5'10", click 6 foot, click, click, click......it was just about all of them. Didn't matter if they were cute or not. I had to go through like 20 to find one who listed 5'7". That wasn't the only thing though, it was like 5'10" had to be white with a bachelor's degree, a high salary and I've only seen very objectively attractive men have success.

 

Sh*t's crazy.

 

I don't know what to tell you NJ123. I mean I see short guys with hot gals all the time and occasionally with taller girls. (Usually the guy's kinda muscular). Anyways, I stay off dating sites. I'm actually 5'11", my profile gets a lot of attention. girls rating me hot or matching with gals who I also rated hot and occasionally a firstt message sent by them. But what ends up happening is mostly gals who just like to flirt and chit chat, whit no intention to meet in person. So much of the same thing over and over memakes me question the gender, and not in a positive way. I stick to real life meetings and prefer girls who don't use dating sites.

 

Yes! I saw the same exact thing when I was on there a few weeks ago when I went on there out of being curious. Literally almost every profile I came across they wanted some guy that was 6+ inches taller than them. Even the ones that were like 5'2"-5'3" still wanted a guy that was like 5'8 at minimum. Than as you said factor in what they want in terms of salary, degrees, etc. I wouldn't dare spend my money on that site. There's a few posters here for whatever reason that said I should pay to join the site when I'd have like only a few dozen people to message in my area where we had matching criteria. Their thinking was that it was just their preference but it wasn't a requirement so I could still message them. But that's not a good start to message women where I'm not even in their preference where I likely won't get a reply back.

 

And I hear you. OLD is only good for attractive women & attractive guys with good jobs when it comes to wanting a relationship off of it.

Edited October 18, 2016 by NJ123

[Fishfingersareyummy]

OLD sounds really savage man. I am so glad I am not on any online dating websites.

 

If I was you NJ man I'd delete my profile and get out in the wider environment and see what you find there.

[joseb]

Online dating does not work well for a lot of people.

Your height is just another statistic to be filtered on.

For me my age kills me.

In real life it's never an issue.

 

I'd recommend ditching it in your case.

[salparadise]

first step is to get yourself to at LEAST neutral about your belief system. Just tell yourself that "it may be possible". [..] I realize that's a significant leap given your current belief system so at least try to get to neutral-where you believe it may be possible, that's it. [...] get rid of the hangup about height---it's gonna hurt your chances more than your actual height!

 

She's right you know... belief systems are remarkably self-fulfilling.

 

Whether You Believe You Can Do a Thing or Not, You Are Right.

~ Henry Ford

 

Eight-five percent of men are less than six feet in height, and 51 percent of women are open to dating a man who is not taller than they. The average woman is 5'4". We could probably write a 12 page report chocked full of statistics to help you look at the bright side... but, the bottom line is that you only need one woman out of millions of possibilities, yet you hang onto an idea that makes that seem impossible.

 

My suggestion is to go for education. It will change the way YOU think for starters, but also increases you social equity in several ways that matter. Once you have some confidence and believe yourself to be worthy... well, it will change everything.

 

Height is merely the excuse you're using to reinforce negative beliefs about yourself, and the fact that it's not within your realm of control makes it the perfect scapegoat –– it allows you to alleviate yourself from all responsibility for your woes... in other words, by focusing on height you're choosing to be a victim. You could just as easily choose not to be a victim.

 

Being a victim is not attractive, so it's a big deal... that self-fulfilling thing again. You need a way to get some power, self-acceptance and learn to think of yourself as worthy, as deserving as others, so you can just go for it.

 

Your self-conscious affect needs some adjustment, and that is within your realm of control. it's not your height that's the problem, it's how you feel about yourself... using height to rationalize and reinforce the feelings of unworthiness.

 

The solution... Learn to think different.

 

height data

power of vulnerability

Edited October 18, 2016 by salparadise

[Fishfingersareyummy]

and 51 percent of women are open to dating a man who is not taller than they.

 

I don't believe that for a second.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I saw this one woman on POF, no joke...she was 5'3"...and she had in her HEADLINE, "5'11 or taller please!"

 

In her HEADLINE of all places...and she was already a shorty herself.

 

Then they chime in, "Well, I wear 5-inch heels...so...I'll come to eye level with anyone 5'8"" and I'm thinking, "What woman always wears that high of a heel...I mean, routinely?"

 

But the fact they figure their shoes into their height is beyond shallow.

[Fishfingersareyummy]

I saw this one woman on POF, no joke...she was 5'3"...and she had in her HEADLINE, "5'11 or taller please!"

 

In her HEADLINE of all places...and she was already a shorty herself.

 

Then they chime in, "Well, I wear 5-inch heels...so...I'll come to eye level with anyone 5'8"" and I'm thinking, "What woman always wears that high of a heel...I mean, routinely?"

 

But the fact they figure their shoes into their height is beyond shallow

 

Height is important to a lot of women, they want and prefer taller men, that's fine but they have to accept that they are competing in a cut throat "market" where a majority of women are competing for 14% of men. They are essentially (if the statistic isn't conjured from thin air) ignoring 86% of men and my own thought process tells me that these women may well be cutting their noses off in spite of their faces but that's their right to do so.

[LookAtThisPOst]

H cutting their noses off in spite of their faces but that's their right to do so.

 

Yeah, but then they whine and complaint about how "I cannot find a good man!", of course you can't...because you're cutting your nose off to spite your face! lol

[Wade Lamare]

I saw this one woman on POF, no joke...she was 5'3"...and she had in her HEADLINE, "5'11 or taller please!"

 

In her HEADLINE of all places...and she was already a shorty herself.

 

Then they chime in, "Well, I wear 5-inch heels...so...I'll come to eye level with anyone 5'8"" and I'm thinking, "What woman always wears that high of a heel...I mean, routinely?"

 

But the fact they figure their shoes into their height is beyond shallow.

 

Ha ha. I'd love to watch them boinking (in the interests of research obviously *insert lecherous emoji*). Must be an interesting picture.

 

Her heels will do her no good lying down. except look damn hot.

 

A 5' 3" or shorter woman with a 6' or taller guy must present some logistical problems surely?

If they are doing straight missionary her face must be planted just above his belly button. And he'd have to perform quite a lot of bending to kiss her mouth or boobies.

 

69 would also be a little uncomfortable for him I would imagine.

 

This has piqued my interest and I have just measured myself in my slippers. Probably not 100% accurate as I couldn't see if the pencil that I made a mark with was level. I got 70 and 1/2 inches.

 

My wife is shorter than me, I think she is about 67", although not sure and even that small amount of difference involves some bending on my part.

 

It does seem that some women have unrealistic expectations.

 

Is this the fault of whichever OLD app you're using? Never used one but I assume your profile is made up of a series of questions and that preferred height is one of them. As tallness is an attractive trait in a man, not the only one, I would guess most women would tick the box for a taller man.

 

This OLD thing rather reminds me of that joke that was going around some years back called 'The Husband Store.'

While I don't like the fact that it perpetuates this hackneyed myth that women are over picky and men are shallow it is kinda funny.

 

I got this from Funny2.com.

 

Husband/Wife Store

THE HUSBAND STORE

 

A store that sells new husbands has just opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates.

 

You may visit the store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch: you may choose any man from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!

 

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband...

 

On each floor the signs on the doors read:

 

Floor 1 - These men have jobs.

 

Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.

 

Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking. "Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going. She goes to the fourth floor and sign reads:

 

Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework. "Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!" Still, she goes to the fifth floor and sign reads:

 

Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak. She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor and the sign reads:

 

Floor 6 - You are visitor 3,261,496,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

 

 

THE WIFE STORE

 

Floor 1 - has wives that love sex.

 

Floor 2 - has wives that love sex and have money.

 

The third through sixth floors have never been visited.

[xxoo]

I understand it's not about being fair but I just want a woman to have me as her preference. I just hate the feeling like she'll have to make a compromise to be with me because she really has a preference for tall guys. It's like automatically every attractive tall guy she glances at when out somewhere without me will be more attractive to her physically. I mean on a deeper intimate level of course it would be different than with those guys since she's with me, but on a physical level she'll find them more desirable. I mean I have my own deal breakers to factor in as well in terms of what I'd want out of a relationship. So it just seems it's going to be difficult. Most of the posters on here said my deal breakers aren't really bad, but perhaps could be a little difficult to meet every single one of them.

 

THis shows how obsessed YOU are with height, imagining that a hypothetical girlfriend would be more attracted to random men because they are taller than you

[Wade Lamare]

While on the topic of taller men being more attractive, is there a cut off point of too tall?

 

At what point does attractively tall turn into unattractively too tall?

[LookAtThisPOst]

While on the topic of taller men being more attractive, is there a cut off point of too tall?

 

At what point does attractively tall turn into unattractively too tall?

 

Believe it or not, I met TWO women in my LIFE that were short stuffs themselves that actually were not attracted to tall men.

 

One was like 5'0" and prefered men 5'8" or even shorter.

 

Another woman I knew was 4'10"...and actually, and this is a shocker, preferred men less than 5'8"...she actually preferred 5'4 to 5'6" men. lol

[Fishfingersareyummy]

Yeah, but then they whine and complaint about how "I cannot find a good man!", of course you can't...because you're cutting your nose off to spite your face! lol

 

Well that's what happens when you whittle down your potential dating pool with rigid preferences.

 

I see this with men too. It seems like a majority of men want a white woman and the results are much the same. If most men are chasing after one race of woman then it becomes an over-saturated market where there are winners and losers.

 

The more open minded someone is in regards to who they'll consider as a potential partner the more options they'll have for better or worse. I prefer having less options, so can I focus and filter easier but some people think more equates to better.

[LookAtThisPOst]

Well that's what happens when you whittle down your potential dating pool with rigid preferences.

 

I see this with men too. It seems like a majority of men want a white woman and the results are much the same. If most men are chasing after one race of woman then it becomes an over-saturated market where there are winners and losers.

 

The more open minded someone is in regards to who they'll consider as a potential partner the more options they'll have for better or worse. I prefer having less options, so can I focus and filter easier but some people think more equates to better.

 

I think is why professional matchmakers tanked and moved on...I recall a professional matchmaker that kept banging their headsa against the wall because no man was ever good enough.

 

This one matchmaker apparently was "this close' of a match to a clientt hat was a woman. Everything she was looking for, except a few inches shorter than what she would have liked.

 

The matchmaker called her in, sat her down and told her what was up, and also mentioned the height. The single lady wasn't even open-minded enough to even TRY a meet n greet. She basically barged off from the matchmaker, claiming that the matchmaker just wasted her time by calling her in.

[Versacehottie]

lol true. I think what gets me so hung up on the height thing is with online dating & reading threads on this forum & other forums of guys complaining that they can't find a girlfriend due to their height. I just wish that online dating catered to me though since it would make things a lot easier, but at 5'6" (5'7" if I want to cheat with shoes on) there's not many options at all for guys my height through OLD. It's a shame, but I guess it is what it is. I wish I can change it, but it's not realistic.

 

And I do see guys my height that have g/fs at my job, the women are always shorter than the guy. It seems my best bet for one thing is that I need to aim for women shorter than me since the odds are a woman that's 5'9" for instance will probably in all likely hood reject me. I wouldn't have a problem at all dating a woman that height though. I constantly see women taller than me that are very attractive that I wouldn't hesitate for a second of going out with if I had the opportunity. It just makes me wonder how they all do it though. I wish I could just flat out ask these guys where & how they meet their g/fs but that would be extremely awkward to do while I'm at work. It feels like all these people that actually meet others for relationships have special abilities that I just don't possess.

 

I'm not sure what you mean with them being far from perfect? In what ways exactly? Maybe you can elaborate on that?

 

THIS (bolded) is productive use of your time. Start here. With people you know you can tend to see them as not that different than you. And know that there are things maybe that you outshine them in. Like the guys at work. You can ask casually without it being awkward. Just one day when a guy mentions his gf in a nice way or says what they did that weekend or whatever say, "wow she seems like a cool girl and you guys seem like you have fun together. That's great--how did you guys get together/meet?" Something along those lines. You may get a little story but ask as many questions as you can without it being weird. It's not that hard. Don't forget people love to talk about themselves.

 

(Bolded second): Just like you are obsessed with not being someone's preference, you will probably end up with (as most of us do) with someone that doesn't look like or match a set of characteristics you would write on paper today. And think you are searching for. She will probably has some of them which blow you away...some you never were searching for which blow you away...and some things you would maybe prefer she wasn't but since you find her "perfect" for you, you will happily deal with it. That's what will happen. If you think all relationships are perfect meets perfect and one person fulfills all of our needs and wants in one embodiment that's mistaken. Most of the time who you end up with is not what you thought you were looking for but better in ways you never expected. Your ideal girl that you decide to end up with won't probably tick off all the boxes of what you want her to look like, be like--because that's a fantasy. That's not because you can't achieve it personally or anything like that. It's because you will give someone a chance that doesn't look like (insert dream celebrity looks here) and match your fantasy girl personality. And at a certain point the reality of the person you bond with with supersede the fantasy person who isn't real anyway. That's what happens in a good relationship. Things become far more important than looks even if initial attraction is what got things started. THIS is also why it is silly to get hung up on height because the vice versa will happen with some girl as she views you.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Versacehottie

[jen1447]

While on the topic of taller men being more attractive, is there a cut off point of too tall?

 

At what point does attractively tall turn into unattractively too tall?

 

When it stops corresponding to having lots of money.

 

Srsly tho preferences again vary but in general I'd say wherever height starts to turn into gigantism ....maybe above 6-6 or so starts to get sketchy.

[salparadise]

I don't believe that for a second.

 

Check the link below my post - height data. I didn't just make it up.

 

 

My girlfriend is 5'9". She was married to a man who was shorter than her. Didn't own a single pair of high heeled shoes. She said when they separated she went straight out and bought a pair of 4" heels.

 

She asked me if I minded if she wore them with me since she'd be getting close to my height with the extra 4". I told her to go for it - I love to show her off, although I have to be a bit careful how I speak about it (feminist).

 

So I am bald. Do you think she's just biding her time until a hairy-headed 6'2" guy comes along?

[Fishfingersareyummy]

I'm not saying you are making up the statistics but someone has or is, I just do not believe it.

 

I'm 5'5 and I know from my own experiences that a vast majority of women have a problem with dating a man that is my height and wouldn't date me if I asked them out for that reason among others.

 

I'm not sad about it, I am not bitter about it, or angry. I have accepted it and I am not insecure about my height but what annoys me is how people down play the height factor. If you are below 5'11 then you will have less options than men who are 6'ft. The shorter the man is the less options he has.

[NJ123]

THIS (bolded) is productive use of your time. Start here. With people you know you can tend to see them as not that different than you. And know that there are things maybe that you outshine them in. Like the guys at work. You can ask casually without it being awkward. Just one day when a guy mentions his gf in a nice way or says what they did that weekend or whatever say, "wow she seems like a cool girl and you guys seem like you have fun together. That's great--how did you guys get together/meet?" Something along those lines. You may get a little story but ask as many questions as you can without it being weird. It's not that hard. Don't forget people love to talk about themselves.

 

(Bolded second): Just like you are obsessed with not being someone's preference, you will probably end up with (as most of us do) with someone that doesn't look like or match a set of characteristics you would write on paper today. And think you are searching for. She will probably has some of them which blow you away...some you never were searching for which blow you away...and some things you would maybe prefer she wasn't but since you find her "perfect" for you, you will happily deal with it. That's what will happen. If you think all relationships are perfect meets perfect and one person fulfills all of our needs and wants in one embodiment that's mistaken. Most of the time who you end up with is not what you thought you were looking for but better in ways you never expected. Your ideal girl that you decide to end up with won't probably tick off all the boxes of what you want her to look like, be like--because that's a fantasy. That's not because you can't achieve it personally or anything like that. It's because you will give someone a chance that doesn't look like (insert dream celebrity looks here) and match your fantasy girl personality. And at a certain point the reality of the person you bond with with supersede the fantasy person who isn't real anyway. That's what happens in a good relationship. Things become far more important than looks even if initial attraction is what got things started. THIS is also why it is silly to get hung up on height because the vice versa will happen with some girl as she views you.

 

You might of misread my post, but it wasn't my co-workers' girlfriends. It was people that come into my workplace where I see guys of my height with girlfriends. It would be incredibly awkward if I asked complete strangers where they met lol.

 

And I guess that's a possibility. But there has to be sexual attraction for me to want to be with them. There's some things I could probably look over, but attraction isn't one of them. I'm either physically attracted to them or I'm not in terms of their looks. You'll probably think I'm a bit of a hypocrite because of arguing about the height thing & how it's a part of someone's physical looks. But to me it's not the same thing since if a woman has a height preference/requirement that eliminates roughly 75-80% of men automatically, while someones facial features/body is by an individual basis, & someones physical body can change in terms of being overweight or not. I just don't think a lot of women understand how their demand for a tall guy eliminates probably 7 or 8 out of every 10 guys. I assume a lot of women don't realize only a small percentage of men are considered tall.

 

But I agree likely the woman I wind up with probably won't tick off every box of what I'd want out of someone, but only to an extent or else I likely won't want to be with them in the first place. Some things are just automatic deal breakers for me. I think you were in my thread of listing deal breakers & whether I was too picky or not. Most think I wasn't surprisingly since I thought I was going to be attacked in almost every post for what I deemed as deal breakers.

[xxoo]

I just don't think a lot of women understand how their demand for a tall guy eliminates probably 7 or 8 out of every 10 guys. I assume a lot of women don't realize only a small percentage of men are considered tall.

 

Of course they realize that. That's part of the reason it's valued.

 

Anyway, most people have preferences that eliminate huge portions of the population. There's nothing wrong with that. Random people don't often make great matches. It takes a lot of screening to find gold.

 

A short guy can be gold, just as much as a tall guy can. The key is that you need to be gold. Women want a partner they can feel proud of, just like men do.

[NJ123]

Of course they realize that. That's part of the reason it's valued.

 

Anyway, most people have preferences that eliminate huge portions of the population. There's nothing wrong with that. Random people don't often make great matches. It takes a lot of screening to find gold.

 

A short guy can be gold, just as much as a tall guy can. The key is that you need to be gold. Women want a partner they can feel proud of, just like men do.

 

Yes, but those other preferences don't eliminate 80% of the population automatically. The height preference eliminates way more of a percentage of the population than any other preference in general. And a lot of the other preferences people have, the person can change themselves into being a person that factors into those preferences. Height as it's been beating over the head in this thread already can't be changed ever unless the guy wants to risk severe health complications.

 

Yeah, I agree a short guy can be, just he needs to work a lot harder to achieve the same goal as taller guys do since they have way more options automatically just for something they won the genetic lottery on. True, they do, but if so many women are eliminating shorter guys they make it difficult for the guy to even find many options. And you have to take into account that having way more options makes it a lot easier for the guy to meet someone that he has a connection with. Basically short guys have to swoop up as many options as they can with hard work to get a chance. A lot of taller guys that are decent looking can just use OLD & have many options at their disposal which short guys don't have that luxury unfortunately.

[xxoo]

Yes, but those other preferences don't eliminate 80% of the population automatically. The height preference eliminates way more of a percentage of the population than any other preference in general. And a lot of the other preferences people have, the person can change themselves into being a person that factors into those preferences. Height as it's been beating over the head in this thread already can't be changed ever unless the guy wants to risk severe health complications.

 

Yeah, I agree a short guy can be, just he needs to work a lot harder to achieve the same goal as taller guys do since they have way more options automatically just for something they won the genetic lottery on. True, they do, but if so many women are eliminating shorter guys they make it difficult for the guy to even find many options. And you have to take into account that having way more options makes it a lot easier for the guy to meet someone that he has a connection with. Basically short guys have to swoop up as many options as they can with hard work to get a chance. The taller guys can just use OLD & have many options at their disposal which short guys don't have that luxury unfortunately.

 

I disagree with basically everything you've said here, but I don't see OLD as a superior option for anyone. Get out and interact with real women. Do interesting things and show off your talents. Charm them. If you see that as "hard work", then that's part of the problem. Most women are attracted to "doers" and achievers even more than tall. So really, tall wouldn't save you if you can't do that.

 

A man who is in great shape, has a solid career, and is passionate and charming will always be popular with the ladies, at any height. And yep, these guys are a small portion of the population.

 

A man who is stuck in neutral and timid around women will always struggle, at any height.

[LD1990]

Yes, but those other preferences don't eliminate 80% of the population automatically. The height preference eliminates way more of a percentage of the population than any other preference in general. And a lot of the other preferences people have, the person can change themselves into being a person that factors into those preferences. Height as it's been beating over the head in this thread already can't be changed ever unless the guy wants to risk severe health complications.

 

Yeah, I agree a short guy can be, just he needs to work a lot harder to achieve the same goal as taller guys do since they have way more options automatically just for something they won the genetic lottery on. True, they do, but if so many women are eliminating shorter guys they make it difficult for the guy to even find many options. And you have to take into account that having way more options makes it a lot easier for the guy to meet someone that he has a connection with. Basically short guys have to swoop up as many options as they can with hard work to get a chance. A lot of taller guys that are decent looking can just use OLD & have many options at their disposal which short guys don't have that luxury unfortunately.

 

I get venting some frustrations, but you've been repeating your complaints about being short over and over. Like you've said, there's nothing you can do about it. Life's not fair. Some people hit the genetic lottery, some don't.