Messaged 230 women so far, dating life still barren wasteland

[Revolver]

If she finds you attractive it doesn't matter what your interests are. The "boring" angle is so overplayed on this site. "Oh maybe you're just boring". Yeah right

 

Half the guys i know In relationships by most people's definition live boring lives. They go to work/go to school then go home. They may go out every now and then but that's it. We're not exactly talking about thrill seekers here

[spriggan2]

On my actual profile I'm positive and I don't speak about my nerdy interests accept mentioning that I do like them but I don't go into depth describing them. Instead I talk about things more people will find in common like hiking, watching a good movie, exploring new places, etc.

Did you read the second element about sounding fun and unique when you describe these interests? If you do that as well then you are set there.

 

I agree with the above. I'm probably mix of being not very attractive, not good at taking pictures, and have no fashion sense (I don't really understand fashion except for the obvious). So people will reject me in person and online regardless.

 

I am however working out at a gym hopefully this may help.

Well honestly and unfortunately, that is probably your biggest roadblock. For online dating you need to simply look good I suppose. I don't advocate this superficial element, but if you're trying to get out there and date there's a lot you can do to improve your appearance. Here's my long winded story about improving my appearance:

 

Grooming. - Through high school I was never considered good looking. In my mid twenties I grew a beard for the fun of it. It totally transformed my appearance. I got fashionable glasses, I take care of my face and have cleared up blemishes. I go to black barber shops and I've figured out a "shadow fade" haircut looks really good on me. I get complimented on being handsome all the time. As a black man I get looks from all races. Never would have thought. You have to experiment with new looks and see what works.

 

Fitness. - I am what's known as a "hard gainer," meaning I was really skinny with long legs and it was really tough for me to build muscle. For a year and a half I went to the gym consistently, obsessed over how to divide up muscle group work outs, watched youtube videos constantly, figured out a diet that works for me (I only drink water), with high protein intake. I became a runner. It took the full year, but now I am well toned with actual visible biceps and my back has muscular ridges and I have a six pack. I'm lean, I look really good in V-neck t-shirts. My last GF suggested I should be a model. Never would have thought I'd hear that as a compliment. Still dumped me though.

 

Fashion. - I was always a geek. I wore hoodies and baggy jeans everywhere. Over the course of two years I've been gradually improving my fashion sense. Again through youtube videos I've been researching ideas on what looks good, how to look like those fashionable guys who know what they're doing with clothes. You say you never understood fashion, that's because you didn't grow up paying attention to it. Neither did I. You can start anytime. It's very artistic and you can make it fun and fascinating. Read articles for tips, check out cool people out and about for trends. I feel like incrementally I am growing more and more fashionable, steadily improving for two years. I'm almost at the point where I can put something on and walk down a busy street and realize I am the most fashionable guy in the vicinity. It feels good.

 

Profile Pictures - Always look for opportunities to take new pictures, you never know which ones will turn out good and can be used. You might take some that suck, toss them. Every once in a while you'll get a good one. My first set of Tinder profile pics were really lazy and grainy webcam pics. I eventually got some new ones taken later with my phone when I went out to events or to hang with friends. Got some better selfies. I updated my profile and called it my 2.0 version. I'm now on my 4.0 version with a set of pics I really like and I've been getting more matches because of them. Try to get pictures taken when you can.

 

All this stuff takes effort, focus and persistence. I was never exactly desperate to achieve any of it though. My motivation came from pure curiosity. I was curious to see what I could make of myself if I pursued all the possibilities of aesthetic improvement. The results have been pretty thrilling. I have a friend who has done none of this, but he gets girls anyway because he is extremely confident and personable. Sadly I've had crippling social anxiety which has held me back. However I've found that improving my appearance has given me a ton of confidence, now even on days when I don't look my best I'm still exuding a more confident and open attitude. Im socializing more. Im getting more comfortable with my sexual self.

 

That I do, getting dates or even just some simple conversation I don't...

Well it's tough. There is a skill to messaging girls on Tinder or Plenty of Fish (another app I use, you could try that one too, in my city it's not as hookupy).

 

Here are some lines I've used:

-"Hey name. I had to superlike you because of how you rock those glasses!"

-"Hey name! How was your week, got anything fun planned for the weekend?"

-"Hey name! Is this a real profile? Or are you a robot using pics of Zoe Saldana?"

-"So what places have you traveled to? I bet I've clocked in more miles."

-"Hey name. So you're a sci-fi fan? I'm curious about what sci-fi novels you've liked?"

-"Hi name, how are you? I noticed you didn't include much in your profile, I'd love to know more about you."

-"Wow, where else except Tinder can you get matched with a lovely opera singer? How are you doing today?"

After a bit of conversation, this is my standard line I use to test the chances of a date:

"No more first date questions so we have something to talk about if we ever go out."

 

Depending on the response you can add this line. "Ok, non first date question, would you like to go on a first date?"

 

You have to be somewhat smooth in your messages. You have to be very casual. Respond with as much or less info than she does. If you sound too desperate it will be a turn off, but if you don't make timely moves the girl will lose interest. You have to feel them out and get into the flow, every girl is different. It can be fun. Make it seem spontaneous and make the prospect of a date sound appealing.

 

I don't however agree with going to go to bars or clubs I quite frankly can't find the enjoyment in doing this. I've tried giving them a shot but the experience was terrible not fun at all, especially considering I don't drink.

 

Good you were able to find people at the club, but I'm definitely not a club guy, the loud music hurts my tender baby ears (very sensitive hearing), the dim lighting hurts my old man eyes, and I'm too soft spoken to be heard without yelling but not being used to yelling it sounds bad.

 

Plus like the bar people are in their cliques and it would be difficult to get in someone's clique especially if you aren't a skilled conversationalist who knows how to work people.

I wouldn't describe myself as a club guy either. I go by myself a lot. I'm not part of a clique. I'm poor at small talk and making random conversations. I specifically gave you examples of girls I've met in situations outside of being in the club. I find you get to talking to girls when standing in line for the club, in passing when leaving the club, in late night eateries when the club shuts down. There's so much contrivance to approaching a girl at the bar and introducing yourself or asking for a dance. It rarely works for me. I look to exploit the more organic situations outside the typical. But make no mistake, you do get fruitless nights. It's not always fun but it's a place to get numbers and talk to cool women. It's better than nothing.

 

I go to clubs for the atmosphere though. To be out in the city when it's lively and energized. I'm stereotyping a bit here but as a black dude, even a nerdy black dude, aren't you up on some of the club music? Do you listen to any Future or Drake? Do you listen to hip-hop? Do you listen to any music at all? If club music is not your thing what about live music from bands who play what you like? Rock? Reggae? Also how old are you? Do you like jazz? What about checking out live jazz? It's not as loud. I find that music and dancing events attract people who are feeling very open and willing to interact with strangers. And if all else fails at least you got some good music out of it.

 

I'm soft spoken. I could never speak in clubs or loud restaurants or bars and be heard. That changed the more I exposed myself to it and the more I practiced. My conversation and flirting skills still SUCK, but they are much better than they were when I first started. You keep complaining about things you aren't good at, do you have any plans on improving those things and getting better at them? Or do you just plan to whine and let them stay at their undeveloped base level? Self-improvement will work wonders for you if you put some effort into it.

 

However, if you simply can't do live music you probably want to find some other social outlet. Online dating should be a side stream, not a substitute for interacting with people/women. It's too sparse, you want to be using it passively, not actively or it will frustrate you. Maybe just be more social at work? Have you tried Toastmasters? Meetups are ok but they can get lame. There are quiet local bars you can go to and shoot pool, without drinking.

 

I don't adore the undead I just think the artwork is cool so I put cool pictures as my avatar.

 

I rarely even think about undead things so it's not like I'm going to girls saying I'd love it if you were a lich or something else stupid.

 

Like this picture this isn't an undead just an angel but to me it looks pretty cool.

 

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0398/75/1431305369475.jpg

Fair enough.

[LookAtThisPOst]

On my actual profile I'm positive and I don't speak about my nerdy interests accept mentioning that I do like them but I don't go into depth describing them. Instead I talk about things more people will find in common like hiking, watching a good movie, exploring new places, etc.

 

I actually know a woman, that's into both. I was surprised when I met her on a camping trip with our outdoor/hiking group. She was wearing one of those novelty GEEK shirts that you see Sheldon from Big Bang Theory wearing all the time...and I was kind of taken aback by it because we were out in the middle of nowhere on a campsite. LOL

 

Turns out she sometimes hangs at the local comic shop and games, plays magic the gathering, D&D, etc. Though she doesn't do it profusely, but when we talked...we were both kind of surprised about our own "split" in our interests.

 

Unfortunately, she's had a long-distance boyfriend for the past 3 years...was trying to angle at, "So, if you found a geeky guy more geographically desirable...would you consider it?"

 

But I didn't want to get a earful on Facebook if the boyfriend ever got wind of me asking her that.

 

I do ascribe to the "be yourself" mantra, because I think you'll actually miss out on someone that COULD have been your match by changing things for others.

 

I recall attracting and dating a woman that my method was perfectly fine when we met. She told me she's attracted to men confident in their own skin. As a small world would have it, I am friends with a male player of sorts that doesn't claim he's a "player" but brags about how attracts women with this "methods." She actually went out on one date with this guy..she thought he was gay because he acted so effeminate. When I was like, "Holy crap, you went out with him?! Small world...he always tries to give me dating advice that seems way off sometimes."

 

And she said, "Hell, you could teach HIM a thing or too about dating."

 

THAT said, pretty much reinforced my "Be yourself" mantra. Because obviously I attracted her by being myself. ;-)

Edited March 15, 2016 by LookAtThisPOst

[normal person]

On my actual profile I'm positive and I don't speak about my nerdy interests accept mentioning that I do like them but I don't go into depth describing them. Instead I talk about things more people will find in common like hiking, watching a good movie, exploring new places, etc.

 

I know I mentioned in an earlier post that some more "mass appeal" interests would help you out, and I think they would, but you need to present them correctly.

 

On one hand, in a sense when you try to please everyone, you end up likely not pleasing many. It's like saying "I like music." Few peoples' interest is going to be piqued on that statement alone. But if you say "I love artists A, B, and C, because of X, Y, Z" then you will garner interest from people who like those specific artists or aspects of music. Yeah, you might alienate people who don't care for that stuff anyways, but on the other hand, you'll gain attention from the ones that do, and that's the attention you want.

 

As I said earlier as well, you have to stand out while still standing in. If you diverge too much from what society thinks is normal, it's likely to have an adverse affect. Imagine you're going to a dressy event and you want to catch some eyes, so you go out and you buy a really great tie to wear. Like, a really particularly appealing one that screams "good taste." It'll definitely get some attention from women; you stand out. Now imagine you go to the same event with the same tie, but you also wear MC Hammer parachute pants, or something else that's equally as odd. You stand out still, but too far out.

 

You need to find ways to make your generic interests sound more interesting and let them characterize you as an individual. Conversely, you need to make your "less conventional" interests less odd and more appealing by highlighting what's good about them (if you choose to discuss them at all).

Edited March 15, 2016 by normal person

[Necris]

I know I mentioned in an earlier post that some more "mass appeal" interests would help you out, and I think they would, but you need to present them correctly.

 

On one hand, in a sense when you try to please everyone, you end up likely not pleasing many. It's like saying "I like music." Few peoples' interest is going to be piqued on that statement alone. But if you say "I love artists A, B, and C, because of X, Y, Z" then you will garner interest from people who like those specific artists or aspects of music. Yeah, you might alienate people who don't care for that stuff anyways, but on the other hand, you'll gain attention from the ones that do, and that's the attention you want.

 

As I said earlier as well, you have to stand out while still standing in. If you diverge too much from what society thinks is normal, it's likely to have an adverse affect. Imagine you're going to a dressy event and you want to catch some eyes, so you go out and you buy a really great tie to wear. Like, a really particularly appealing one that screams "good taste." It'll definitely get some attention from women; you stand out. Now imagine you go to the same event with the same tie, but you also wear MC Hammer parachute pants, or something else that's equally as odd. You stand out still, but too far out.

 

You need to find ways to make your generic interests sound more interesting and let them characterize you as an individual. Conversely, you need to make your "less conventional" interests less odd and more appealing by highlighting what's good about them (if you choose to discuss them at all).

 

Not trying to please everyone just focusing on some of my interests that I know I will have some commonality with more people. I'm pretty sure my nerdy interests or my common interests aren't was killing my chances I don't go around asking girls about their League of Legends ranking, or talking about my Cobol Mainframe experience. Instead I might mention I like playing video games and just leave at that.

 

I think I'm really just ugly and lack charisma. I mean if I was actually capable of getting dates in real life or online but the dates never went anywhere then maybe the problem lies in my interests. But considering that's not possible for me and how in real life I'm also shot down before they even know my interests I'd say the culprit lies in my looks.

 

On the top of my head a source for some of my ugliness I guess comes from being born with a crippled hand, I have scoliosis, a nasely voice with occasional stuttering and unclear speech, overweight (not like really obese and I'm working out), a baby face, and really dry skin (easily solved with lotion, but my hands I heard feel like leather when shaking them).

 

The most successful guys I know when it comes to meeting women don't necessarily have the most riveting lives they may have some social hobby that allows them to meet women like going to the club but from what I can tell they don't even really actively try that hard to meet girls, girls want to meet them. The reason? Girls find them attractive.

 

Take girls for example their hobbies most of the time are incredibly boring and yet we guys don't turn them down because they are boring. When I ask the average girl what she enjoys doing the answers are generally something about shopping, trying on new clothes/shoes, and watching TV shows. Incredibly boring how is a girl like that going to hate on someone for having "nerdy" interests when her own interests are so boring?

Edited March 16, 2016 by Necris

[neowulf]

Not trying to please everyone just focusing on some of my interests that I know I will have some commonality with more people. I'm pretty sure my nerdy interests or my common interests aren't was killing my chances I don't go around asking girls about their League of Legends ranking, or talking about my Cobol Mainframe experience. Instead I might mention I like playing video games and just leave at that.

 

I think I'm really just ugly and lack charisma. I mean if I was actually capable of getting dates in real life or online but the dates never went anywhere then maybe the problem lies in my interests. But considering that's not possible for me and how in real life I'm also shot down before they even know my interests I'd say the culprit lies in my looks.

 

On the top of my head a source for some of my ugliness I guess comes from being born with a crippled hand, I have scoliosis, a nasely voice with occasional stuttering and unclear speech, overweight (not like really obese and I'm working out), a baby face, and really dry skin (easily solved with lotion, but my hands I heard feel like leather when shaking them).

 

The most successful guys I know when it comes to meeting women don't necessarily have the most riveting lives they may have some social hobby that allows them to meet women like going to the club but from what I can tell they don't even really actively try that hard to meet girls, girls want to meet them. The reason? Girls find them attractive.

 

Take girls for example their hobbies most of the time are incredibly boring and yet we guys don't turn them down because they are boring. When I ask the average girl what she enjoys doing the answers are generally something about shopping, trying on new clothes/shoes, and watching TV shows. Incredibly boring how is a girl like that going to hate on someone for having "nerdy" interests when her own interests are so boring?

 

Here's the thing. For better or worse, you are who you are. You can approach this problem of finding a mate in a couple of ways;

 

1) Change yourself to better fit the model of a man women find attractive

 

or

 

2) Figure out where women who *are* into your kind of thing hang out and spend as much energy as you can in those areas.

 

I'll give you a practical example.

 

I have a friend of mine, who I've known since highschool. He is, without a doubt, the oddest person I know. Very strange sense of humor, completely oblivious to social queues, very very geeky (video games, DnD etc).

 

This guy? He's married with two kids. His wife picked HIM up.

 

Where?

 

He used to go to a weekly DnD group. Did it for years, throughout uni. Eventually, he crossed paths with a woman who just "got" him and liked what she saw. So .. she jumped him.

 

Proximity my friend. Figure out where you find those rare fish you're after and fish exclusively in those ponds.

 

Online Dating works best with the mainstream. The more classically good looking, classically interesting etc, the better you'll do.

 

You're not that guy. You're niche. That's cool. You're exactly what some woman is chasing. Just have to focus on putting yourself in her path!

 

Good luck!

[hasaquestion]

I wouldn't describe myself as a club guy either. I go by myself a lot. I'm not part of a clique. I'm poor at small talk and making random conversations. I specifically gave you examples of girls I've met in situations outside of being in the club. I find you get to talking to girls when standing in line for the club, in passing when leaving the club, in late night eateries when the club shuts down. There's so much contrivance to approaching a girl at the bar and introducing yourself or asking for a dance. It rarely works for me. I look to exploit the more organic situations outside the typical. But make no mistake, you do get fruitless nights. It's not always fun but it's a place to get numbers and talk to cool women. It's better than nothing.

 

I go to clubs for the atmosphere though. To be out in the city when it's lively and energized. I'm stereotyping a bit here but as a black dude, even a nerdy black dude, aren't you up on some of the club music? Do you listen to any Future or Drake? Do you listen to hip-hop? Do you listen to any music at all? If club music is not your thing what about live music from bands who play what you like? Rock? Reggae? Also how old are you? Do you like jazz? What about checking out live jazz? It's not as loud. I find that music and dancing events attract people who are feeling very open and willing to interact with strangers. And if all else fails at least you got some good music out of it.

 

I'm soft spoken. I could never speak in clubs or loud restaurants or bars and be heard. That changed the more I exposed myself to it and the more I practiced. My conversation and flirting skills still SUCK, but they are much better than they were when I first started. You keep complaining about things you aren't good at, do you have any plans on improving those things and getting better at them? Or do you just plan to whine and let them stay at their undeveloped base level? Self-improvement will work wonders for you if you put some effort into it.

 

However, if you simply can't do live music you probably want to find some other social outlet. Online dating should be a side stream, not a substitute for interacting with people/women. It's too sparse, you want to be using it passively, not actively or it will frustrate you. Maybe just be more social at work? Have you tried Toastmasters? Meetups are ok but they can get lame. There are quiet local bars you can go to and shoot pool, without drinking.

 

Love reading this. You've taken a constructive approach and gotten out of your comfort zone.

 

OP, if you care that much about meeting women, you've got to do what this guy did. Analyze your image, touch it up, and put yourself out there in ways that make you uncomfortable until you are no longer uncomfortable. Don't make it about being more attractive, make it about having fun.

 

There are some universal improvements you can make to your image. Getting fit, confident body language, speaking from your chest. Beyond that you have to make decisions like clothes and hairstyle that aren't universal, you've got to figure out what fits you best.

 

One reason to give all this stuff a shot, is that even though it sounds like work and 'being a tool trying to fit in' at first, you might find you like things you never did. Like the guy who wrote the long post, I've come to really enjoy dressing myself. Never used to care. If you aren't familiar with fitness sports you might find you love cycling or powerlifting or yoga. You don't know until you try.

 

Its easy to be cynical, I get it. But its not fun. And at the end of the day its up to you to be positive, it won't come from anywhere else.

 

I'm the nerdiest m*****f***er on the planet, believe me. I enjoy a lot of the boilerplate self improvement stuff... because its a grand old problem to solve. There's boundary conditions and a set of multiple solutions. I also get a big kick out of organizing things, which if you're a OO person at heart you might understand. If you'd like to talk about specific stuff shoot me a PM, I'd be glad to share some more specific experience pertaining to programming and life.

Edited March 16, 2016 by hasaquestion

[mcjordan]

Well I could tell them about some of my passions.

 

I could write about how I prefer object oriented languages and my love for C++ vs Java and how I like using SQL Server but don't really care too much for DB2.

 

Or I can say how I created a few simple mods for some video games I like playing and talk about how I like playing RPG, FPS, and strategy games. Then tell them about my D&D experience and how I'm working on a worldbuilding project but tbh not really getting far.

 

But tbh alot of my interests just aren't interesting at all to the majority of women, most people in general don't really like "nerdy things".

 

I know that many women are more into Radical Pedicure Glitter than Role Play Games (see what I did there lol)....but there are some Penelope Garcias out there on OLD. What you have to do is spice it up and make it reader-friendly. Not to mention that being a "nerd honey" seems to be a "thing" these days (have you seen those memes where the girl in the undersized bra says she's a gamer?)

 

A self-effacing but confident opener about being a techie extraordinaire might work. Elaborate on the work/creation you've done with video games - that is very cool and shows imagination. Talk about how you've developed your onscreen passions well over the years and are ready to pursue some real life passion (which is where hiking or motorcycle riding might come in). You've been building your online world, and you're looking to build an exciting offline world too.

 

All that is just off the top of my head, but it is material that the horde of "geeky girls" i know would like.

 

The trick is to know your target audience. If you're an intelligent, imaginative, complex thinking computer mind....don't try to attract the like, totally awesome, like, cheerleader who is sooooooo stoked about shoe shopping with her bestie (kiss kiss). Honestly, once you are done looking at her body, there won't be much there to hold your interest anyway

[ZA Dater]

I think you definitely have given OLD a good go. The thing is be happy with who you are.

 

Its very easy for OLD to make you feel extremely bad and heavily critical. In my opinion I wouldn't bother with OLD, as other have said its superficial in the extreme, you can write what you like, tailor your profile to what others may like and still come up short.

 

The only people I know who had success with OLD/Tinder are people who are good looking or successful.

 

You can write the most eloquent profile but it wont make much difference.

 

My advice, be happy who you are, embrace who you are and give it all a break for a while. Based on your posts here I'd say you are above average in terms of intellect and in all probability you aren't finding many genuinely interesting people, rather you are simply trying to date anyone for the sake of dating.

 

Personally I believe OLD is tailored for ladies it gives them the opportunity to pick and choose.

[Mccoy321]

 

Personally I believe OLD is tailored for ladies it gives them the opportunity to pick and choose.

 

OLD is tailored for good looking, tall men and average to good looking women.

 

 

These are the people who don't even need to use OLD in the first place, so many sites make it free to join then sell additional privileges hoping that the less attractive people are foolish enough to believe that these privileges will make them more successful.

[ZA Dater]

OLD is tailored for good looking, tall men and average to good looking women.

 

 

These are the people who don't even need to use OLD in the first place, so many sites make it free to join then sell additional privileges hoping that the less attractive people are foolish enough to believe that these privileges will make them more successful.

 

 

I think the important thing is for the OP to remain positive about himself, recognize there is nothing wrong with him and try to not allow the lack of OLD success to consume him.

[sorano]

Let me say one thing about this online dating.

 

certain forum decided to do a experiment on a online dating site. They took two pictures, make two profiles. One profile, the guy was a model / bodybuilder. second profile was an average joe. Models profile was horrible. It had maybe 3 sentences and was just a joke to read. The average guys profile was well written. One of those profiles that you enjoy reading and go wow, this person is great.

 

model / bodybuilder sent out 10 emails. so did the average guy. Keep in mind this is the same group of people just doing a experiment.

 

Model / bodybuilder got back 8 out of the 10 replies. His messages that he sent out were horrible. One was like, I would love to take your clothes and.....well you can figure it out. He was rude, nasty and just sent dirty dumb emails. He got 8 numbers within 6 messages in. 8 out of 10.

 

Now it was the average guys profiles turn. They sent the messages to the SAME women the model did. expect his messages were refined, classy, and polite. A true gentleman. Out of the 10, he only got 2 messages and only got one number.

 

The numbers were blocked, pics were blocked but the convo's were posted to show everyone the results. This thread, was over 60 pages long and a majority of the men after seeing this, literally said they were going to give up and just not even try anymore. It brought everybody back down to earth and shattered some ego's.

 

This isn't saying women are shallow. It can happen the other way around. This experiment just happened to be done by a group of guys.

 

This was repeated on other sites, and same results.

 

so even though the model sent dirty, nasty, rude emails, bc of his looks, women thought it was funny. They gave the guy a chance. Literally just through themselves at them. It didnt matter what he said.

 

average guy got nothing. Now they took it one step further and said wait, maybe women like those rude and stupid lines. so let the average joe nice guy send out the nasty emails like the model guy. One women responded, drop dead.

 

you guys can take this as you like. I saw the thread, the convo's, everything. I was shocked. well not really. Im an average guy. I am not a model. but I told myself after seeing that experiment, welcome to reality

[jay1983]

Let me say one thing about this online dating.

 

certain forum decided to do a experiment on a online dating site. They took two pictures, make two profiles. One profile, the guy was a model / bodybuilder. second profile was an average joe. Models profile was horrible. It had maybe 3 sentences and was just a joke to read. The average guys profile was well written. One of those profiles that you enjoy reading and go wow, this person is great.

 

model / bodybuilder sent out 10 emails. so did the average guy. Keep in mind this is the same group of people just doing a experiment.

 

Model / bodybuilder got back 8 out of the 10 replies. His messages that he sent out were horrible. One was like, I would love to take your clothes and.....well you can figure it out. He was rude, nasty and just sent dirty dumb emails. He got 8 numbers within 6 messages in. 8 out of 10.

 

Now it was the average guys profiles turn. They sent the messages to the SAME women the model did. expect his messages were refined, classy, and polite. A true gentleman. Out of the 10, he only got 2 messages and only got one number.

 

The numbers were blocked, pics were blocked but the convo's were posted to show everyone the results. This thread, was over 60 pages long and a majority of the men after seeing this, literally said they were going to give up and just not even try anymore. It brought everybody back down to earth and shattered some ego's.

 

This isn't saying women are shallow. It can happen the other way around. This experiment just happened to be done by a group of guys.

 

This was repeated on other sites, and same results.

 

so even though the model sent dirty, nasty, rude emails, bc of his looks, women thought it was funny. They gave the guy a chance. Literally just through themselves at them. It didnt matter what he said.

 

average guy got nothing. Now they took it one step further and said wait, maybe women like those rude and stupid lines. so let the average joe nice guy send out the nasty emails like the model guy. One women responded, drop dead.

 

you guys can take this as you like. I saw the thread, the convo's, everything. I was shocked. well not really. Im an average guy. I am not a model. but I told myself after seeing that experiment, welcome to reality

 

We had one linked here, a guy saw it and made a thread linking the misc bodybuilding community. This was a couple of years ago.

[Empire87]

I think the important thing is for the OP to remain positive about himself, recognize there is nothing wrong with him and try to not allow the lack of OLD success to consume him.

 

"Practice what you preach". If you can see this and advise it for someone else then you should be able to carry it into your own personal situation, no?

[ZA Dater]

"Practice what you preach". If you can see this and advise it for someone else then you should be able to carry it into your own personal situation, no?

 

No the difference is the OP has a lot more to offer than I do. For all of him saying his interests are not mainstream, I believe his interests are enough t attract someone. He has a good basis from which to work, based on his posts he is articulate.

 

 

If I were the OP I would be trying to meet people through mutual friends instead of resorting to the snake oil that is OLD.

[William]

It appears the thread starter has departed and, noting forays into postings from other forums and discussion of other member's dating issues of late, we'll close this up pending the return of the thread starter and their desire to update or solicit more input on their dating situation. Thanks for your comments!