She is so attractive !

[Timshel]

Phoenician, this is a really beautiful girl.

 

Jacqui Saburido

 

[mcjordan]

No dear ,

 

i am not ,

 

I am disturbed from people who does it .

 

I am looking deeper and I say beauty is subjective , and every woman has a beautiful part .

 

it could be her look , but what is more important to many men like me is her confidence , her empathy , and many other things that have nothing to do with look .

 

And none of those inner things can be seen for certain in a photograph.

 

Personally, I find too much makeup and ill-fitting clothing to be UNattractive.

[OneLov]

OP,

 

You really believe that photo is not edited? Really? I have seen skinnier girls with more cellulite on their legs than Miss Smooth-skin. If you see Kim Kardashian in real life, she looks like a hairy, little troll-hobbit.

 

Since you know nothing about her personality, if she had a hapsburg chin, long crooked nose, eyes too far apart, and a big ol' wart on her nose like a witch would you say she is beautiful too? I guess what I am saying is what about physically unattractive curvy women?

[thefooloftheyear]

Eh.....

 

Show me a picture of her when she is 45 and had kid(s).......

 

 

TFY

[Phoenician]

My issue with it is that it's saying you can be whatever size you like, as long as you're attractive.

 

For a "message" that is pretty terrible. It's saying physical attractiveness is the most important thing, no matter your size. Is that really the message we want to spread to help raise body confidence and self esteem?

 

And OP goes on to criticize people who judge by weight/looks. That's pretty ironic IMO.

 

 

No it says that even if you have a problem , you can still be desired .

 

it says that you don't have to be skinny in order to be loved.

 

and OP is not critisizing any body , he is saying don't judge ppl by their look.

[dichotomy]

As some have mentioned if the point is to ask if you like curvey, "plus sized" women. The answer for me is "yes - if they carry themselves well"

 

Ashley graham (google her) is on the cover of sports illustrated and on a number of commercials. She is very good looking, and at size 14 would be considered "normal size" for women in the U.S.

 

Also I would add that its all relative to some men. Ashley graham is still not THAT large gal to me - because I am a big tall guy so I could throw her over my shoulder and into the bedroom.

[Phoenician]

Phoenician, this is a really beautiful girl.

 

Jacqui Saburido

 

 

 

shame on those who make fun of people look !

[Phoenician]

My issue with it is that it's saying you can be whatever size you like, as long as you're attractive.

 

For a "message" that is pretty terrible. It's saying physical attractiveness is the most important thing, no matter your size. Is that really the message we want to spread to help raise body confidence and self esteem?

 

And OP goes on to criticize people who judge by weight/looks. That's pretty ironic IMO.

 

no , it says that even if you can not be skinny , you can still be attractive ;

it says try your best but don't be depressed if you put some weight because , venus you can still be gorgeous.

 

and it says a real men will not leave you because you become a bit chumby , he still can adore your curves.

 

SO OP is ironic because he critisize ppl who judge by look ?!?!

[Gloria25]

Eh.....

 

Show me a picture of her when she is 45 and had kid(s).......

 

 

TFY

 

There's women who, regardless of age, take care of themselves. My fav podcaster is like 70 and has guns and buns of steel. She's like barely 5' and scares me....and I'm a 5'7" woman who is a beast and works out on the regular.

 

A while ago, a woman online who like had her 3rd kid got a lot of flack cuz she put online her post baby body pic - which showed her fit as a fiddle.

 

Yes with age things wrinkle, sag, and takes more work/effort into keeping up your looks...but if you lacked physical activity, fitness, and proper diet - age and kids are only gonna make you look worse.

[Phoenician]

The message also is that again , every women could have something special in her look , even when she put some extra weight that she can no longer get rid off .

 

Venus , stop worrying about your look , do whatever you can , and then be a confident lady , a venus , Godess of fertility and charm.

[Timshel]

shame on those who make fun of people look !

 

I am not making fun of her Phoenician. I am holding her up as an example that our outer shell is not an indication of real beauty.

 

Some people are born with physical 'perfection,' but when you love a person and live with them after the romp.....who are they?

 

I'm not a fan of exploitation and I have never been the kind of chick into media driven heartthrobs. Heck, Kevin Spacey is sooo sexy too me.

 

Anyhoo, good day and fun fantasies to you good man.

[Gloria25]

no , it says that even if you can not be skinny , you can still be attractive ;

it says try your best but don't be depressed if you put some weight because , venus you can still be gorgeous.

 

and it says a real men will not leave you because you become a bit chumby , he still can adore your curves.

 

SO OP is ironic because he critisize ppl who judge by look ?!?!

 

I'm sorry, but I disagree...

 

'Real men' don't stay with women who make up excuses for not taking care of their looks/body.

 

For me, my body and looks is a "gift" I'm giving to my man for being my "man". If I tell him, 'oh get over me sitting on my butt and packing on pounds cuz you should love "me for me" then to me that's a big F-u.

 

Yes, age and life take over being able to keep a perfect body and no, not all of us were born to be models, but I'm tired of the "take it or leave it" disdain/attitude some women have when it comes to their bodies.

 

But to each their own. Some guys can't do any better than the woman they got, so they put up with a lot of crap. They also may be lazy and want s partner who shares their lack of desire to take care of themselves.

[Phoenician]

There's women who, regardless of age, take care of themselves. My fav podcaster is like 70 and has guns and buns of steel. She's like barely 5' and scares me....and I'm a 5'7" woman who is a beast and works out on the regular.

 

A while ago, a woman online who like had her 3rd kid got a lot of flack cuz she put online her post baby body pic - which showed her fit as a fiddle.

 

Yes with age things wrinkle, sag, and takes more work/effort into keeping up your looks...but if you lacked physical activity, fitness, and proper diet - age and kids are only gonna make you look worse.

 

My wife is a very very beautiful lady , she is fit and have a great body ...

she doesn't even exercise a lot ; but you know , the lady in pic and even a 45 yrs old mom with 4 children is more confident than her .

 

it hurts me a lot to see a lot of ppl around who are not confident about their bodies; they do even so many ops to stay up to their standard ; which i am not against it but against the fact that even though they are gorgeous they are not confident

[Phoenician]

I am not making fun of her Phoenician. I am holding her up as an example that our outer shell is not an indication of real beauty.

 

Some people are born with physical 'perfection,' but when you love a person and live with them after the romp.....who are they?

 

I'm not a fan of exploitation and I have never been the kind of chick into media driven heartthrobs. Heck, Kevin Spacey is sooo sexy too me.

 

Anyhoo, good day and fun fantasies to you good man.

 

apologies !

[normal person]

I'm sorry, but I disagree...

 

'Real men' don't stay with women who make up excuses for not taking care of their looks/body.

 

 

Good post. I'm 5'10" about 150 lbs, in that regard I'm very close to an average sized male. I make an effort to exercise often, eat very well, and am in very good shape. I'm mostly lean muscle without much visible fat at all. Nothing, and I mean nothing, kills my attraction faster than a woman who's near my size or larger than me in any regard. I'm not saying that it's bad for women to be big, I'm just saying it's just not something I'm personally attracted to. It's akin to a woman not being attracted to a man who's shorter than her. No judgement, just preferences.

 

Is it a crime that there's physically only one type of woman I'm attracted to, and she's merely the female equivalent of myself? In shape, lean, no fat, but just proportionally smaller than me. Maybe 5'2"- 5'6" and maybe 110-125 lbs. Emilia Clarke (who we've all seen naked) is my age and I think is a good example. She looks just fine. I'm not sure what, if anything is "fictitious" about her look. She looks normal, healthy, not too thin and definitely not fat; like she makes an effort to look nice rather than just eat/drink poorly, quit the gym, gain weight and hide under the "real" woman label.

 

 

I don't see what's so "fictitious" about a girl going to the gym, working out and keeping herself as physically desirable as possible. What I can't stand is when people look down on men who are attracted to lithe, "conventionally" attractive women because "Real men prefer _______," even if the "___" is 15 lbs of excess fat which accumulated by lack a basic exercise routine, complacency, and acceptance of mediocrity.

 

I wish people would stop telling other people what they have to like, or what "real" men/women are, as I often find these days "real" is just a synonym for "is content not to maintain an optimal physique." I can't stand the hijacking of the word "real." The only "reality" is that everyone's born with a different body, and people can maintain them or change them to a certain degree for better or worse.

 

 

it could be her look , but what is more important to many men like me is her confidence , her empathy , and many other things that have nothing to do with look .

 

Would you mind pointing out the confidence, empathy, and many other things in the photograph you posted for people to judge? How do you know this woman isn't a total jerk?

Edited March 17, 2016 by normal person

[xxoo]

The message also is that again , every women could have something special in her look , even when she put some extra weight that she can no longer get rid off .

 

Venus , stop worrying about your look , do whatever you can , and then be a confident lady , a venus , Godess of fertility and charm.

 

Who is venus?

 

DO you mean women?

 

Women are people. Unless you're my husband, I don't prefer to be seen as an object of sex and fertility. So I'll just dress in a way that I prefer and move on with my day focusing on things more important than my appearance.

[Summer3]

I don't understand why there is so much hostility about this post. The OP posted a picture of a woman who is heavy according to our culture and he is making a point that he thinks this is beautiful. The only thing I got out of his post is that he thinks full figured women are beautiful and society should stop telling them they aren't.

 

I don't understand why people are getting angry. I've seen some really offensive stuff from other posters and people don't say much.

 

IMHO the OP's post is very benign.

[oldshirt]

lets not confuse size and shape or endowment with obesity.

 

 

That gal is not obese. She is very pretty, she has an awesome chest and she is not skinny. But she is not obese or overweight.

 

 

If you saw her in the grocery store in normal clothes, you may not even notice her (unless she had cleavage hanging out LOL)

 

 

Clean, well groomed, well dressed, healthy people that are not overweight or underweight are attractive. some just more than others.

 

 

a layer of subcutaneous adipose tissue around the hips and thighs of women and around the belly of men, is normal and healthy and not obesity.

 

 

It's when the body fat percentage starts going over certain perameters that it starts becoming problematic healthwise and starts becoming unattractive sexually.

 

 

The women in the photograph is not overweight, she is a normal, healthy adult woman. she just isn't the rail thin, teen models that we are used to seeing in lingerie adds.

[Els]

No dear ,

 

i am not ,

 

I am disturbed from people who does it .

 

I am looking deeper and I say beauty is subjective , and every woman has a beautiful part .

 

it could be her look , but what is more important to many men like me is her confidence , her empathy , and many other things that have nothing to do with look .

 

Posting that picture and then saying this after that is REALLY weird. It's kinda like saying, "Ladies, what matters isn't how you look like on the outside, but rather how you are on the inside.... which is why we at Victoria Secret are offering you a special edition push-up bra for 50% off, til 30th March or while stocks last! Get your inner beauty today!"

 

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with your message, but the way it was worded leads to a lot of head-scratching.

[Els]

I don't understand why there is so much hostility about this post. The OP posted a picture of a woman who is heavy according to our culture and he is making a point that he thinks this is beautiful. The only thing I got out of his post is that he thinks full figured women are beautiful and society should stop telling them they aren't.

 

I don't understand why people are getting angry. I've seen some really offensive stuff from other posters and people don't say much.

 

IMHO the OP's post is very benign.

 

I don't find it offensive, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

1) If your message is that looks don't matter, why is the opening post focused on a picture?

2) The picture is clearly a very clever play of makeup, lighting, camera angles, and probably also Photoshop, to make the face look skinny while emphasizing the boobs. Nothing wrong with that, it's just puzzling why this picture would be used as an 'example' of the OP's point. It's like those posts (usually by very naive men) about how 'beautiful natural women are' that use, as their example, a picture of a woman who clearly had a good amount of makeup applied with the sort of expertise that comes from years' worth of doing it.

[xxoo]

I don't understand why there is so much hostility about this post. The OP posted a picture of a woman who is heavy according to our culture and he is making a point that he thinks this is beautiful. The only thing I got out of his post is that he thinks full figured women are beautiful and society should stop telling them they aren't.

 

I don't understand why people are getting angry. I've seen some really offensive stuff from other posters and people don't say much.

 

IMHO the OP's post is very benign.

 

It's totally fine to say, "Hey, I like women like this. Guys, who else likes women like this? High five! We like women like this!"

 

It's odd to say, "I like women like this so women should feel better about themselves"...esp when the photo is very stereotypically sexy and airbrushed.

[HopeForTomorrow]

But she is not obese or overweight.

 

Unless I'm missing something in the photo, I would be extremely surprised if this woman didn't fall into at least the "overweight" range on a medical chart.

[Imajerk17]

Well, I do think the OP meant well. I am going to guess that he was trying to say "women, stop obsessing about your weight--I for one find women w curvier builds to be really attractive" and he was expecting women to be reassured by that.

 

I think a reason why this thread didn't go as the OP planned is that the photo is airbrushed and the model has her own set of special genes (so with her smoothed out skin in the photo and her "perfect" curves, she doesn't really look like "most women" either). Also, many women would rather a man they don't know not dissect their bodies period.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Imajerk17

[Summer3]

I don't find it offensive, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

1) If your message is that looks don't matter, why is the opening post focused on a picture?

2) The picture is clearly a very clever play of makeup, lighting, camera angles, and probably also Photoshop, to make the face look skinny while emphasizing the boobs. Nothing wrong with that, it's just puzzling why this picture would be used as an 'example' of the OP's point. It's like those posts (usually by very naive men) about how 'beautiful natural women are' that use, as their example, a picture of a woman who clearly had a good amount of makeup applied with the sort of expertise that comes from years' worth of doing it.

 

I guess I just don't see the big controversy in this topic. Even if some of the stuff he says seems to contradict itself it still seems so harmless. That's my take.

 

And yeah the face does seem extremely out of proportion with the body..LOL. So she is more of a fantasy cartoon than anything else. I never in my life saw a woman with a normal sized head and a huge voluptuous body. LOL..Still think the boobs look like a tush.

[OneLov]

Well, I do think the OP meant well. I am going to guess that he was trying to say "women, stop obsessing about your weight--I for one find women w curvier builds to be really attractive" and he was expecting women to be reassured by that.

 

I agree he may have been trying to say that, but most are hearing "women, stop obsessing about your weight--I for one find women w curvier builds (and who are drop-dead gorgeous) to be really attractive. I mean who doesn't find a woman with a cute face, a genetically favorable arrangement of body fat, and a h3ll of a lot of Photoshop attractive? But this plus-sized model is not the same as plus-sized average Jane.

 

This reminds me of a scene in South Park where the personification of reality calls out Vin Diesel's campaign on "fat shaming." "Look at you Vin dip-****, you say fat shaming is wrong and in reponse show off your abs? You're the one fat shaming..."