tiki Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 It's not against my religion to use birth control, but I'm thinking of making it. There ofcourse, will be exceptions. I know that there are some religions that don't believe in birth control. And I can totally relate to that. But it's been mostly a recent thing. I've opened my mind to some of my surroundings, and invited in the opportunity to think, and to consider. From a religious perspective, you shouldn't be having pre-marital sex. From a religious perspective, I believe sex is for recreation and procreation. I think I'm ready to leave it in His hands. I know a man that's had ten children and leaves it all up to God, "It's in His hands". I guess it's a chance you take! I talked to my Husband about this last night and he had never really looked at it from this standpoint, he liked it and agreed. The decision's not written in stone, but I've definitely considered it. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 It's up to the indivudal. My oldest sister thinks birth control is against God's will, but the doctor told her if she got pregnant again it could be detrimental to her health! (She had 2 VERY difficult pregnancies and severe pre-eclampsia). My middle sister's mother in law believes that sex is for procreation only and hasn't f***ed her husband in like 16 years. Ouch. Link to post Share on other sites
IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I agree with otter. The individual has the choice whether or not to have premarital sex and bee smart about it. The younger generation doesn't exactly have god on their mind while their in the back of a car on prom night. Teenagers today just don't give a s*** about this kind of stuff. Once you get older, birth control just doesn't seem a priority. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by blind_otter It's up to the indivudal. My oldest sister thinks birth control is against God's will, but the doctor told her if she got pregnant again it could be detrimental to her health! (She had 2 VERY difficult pregnancies and severe pre-eclampsia). Yeah, there's definitely exceptions to the notion. I my eyes, anyway. Originally posted by blind_otter My middle sister's mother in law believes that sex is for procreation only and hasn't f***ed her husband in like 16 years. Ouch. To me, in Song of Solomon, it's made clear that sex is for recreation as well. YAY! Sex is fun!! So is this a Catholic thing? Any other religions share this view? Otter, what religion is your sis? Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by tiki So is this a Catholic thing? Any other religions share this view? Otter, what religion is your sis? Yeah we were raised Catholic, and my oldest sis is a born again Catholic - we were all lapsed and er'thing (I am actually buddhist now)...and she felt the Lord upon her, riding her back like a monkey, and it was good. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 It's all well and fine to leave it in God's hands, but then will you expect Him to provide all the $ you need to give six or eight or ten kids a good home, good food, good education? Remember, that in Biblical times people lived to maybe 40 (the tales of the ones who lived to 80 and older were exceptions to the rule) and lots of kids died before growing up. Back in the days of poor medicine, you needed to have bunches of babies just to be sure a few would survive. Even earlier this century that was the case. In my Dad's family, there was a relative who had 13 kids - and only 6 survived! Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by moimeme In my Dad's family, there was a relative who had 13 kids - and only 6 survived! Yeah, my Dad's mother was pregnant like 14 or 15 times and had 6 living children. This was in KY in the 1920s-1930s. Can you imagine? I whine about having 2 miscarriages.... Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Seems like I've read in the Bible recently where it says do not worry, God will provide you with a next one if you lose one. Or something like that. Have faith. Yeah, like I said, this one man I know has ten kids. It's like, whoooooa. They're a self-sufficient family, they raise and eat their own cattle, their own crop, he built his own home himself (lots of sq foootage but only like 3 bedrooms), no TV in the home, all kids are home schooled. I'm not saying I'd do anything THAT drastic. But I think God will give you what you can handle. Kind of like the thing about breast milk. They tell ya that your body will produce enough breast milk to accomodate multiple births. Of course, there are some biological dead-ends per se, but overall, your body should be accomodating. I don't like being on birth control and I kinda feel like my bod will quit having babies when it's ready to cease. More of like a natural progression. I don't want to be on birth control forever. ....Now I'm wondering just how fertile I am. Link to post Share on other sites
FolderWife Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 How does religion view porn? Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by FolderWife How does religeon view porn? This should be its own thread, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
FolderWife Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I need to start a thread teaching me how to spell Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 folderwife....in my religious views, viewing pornography is adultery. Good enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites
JPMorgan Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I'm all for preventing conception - but once the egg is fertilized it is life. Abortion as a means of birth-control I don't agree with. I think Moimeme has an excellent point. God doesn't rain down sandwiches and milk on the poor and there are lots and lots of people who can't care for their families properly and no amount of prayer has seemed to change that. It's a tough decision to make, but aren't you glad you (we) live in a time and place where it IS a choice! Link to post Share on other sites
Naive Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by tiki I know a man that's had ten children and leaves it all up to God, "It's in His hands". I guess it's a chance you take! My Grandparents on my Mom's side were super religious. My grandfather was a Pastor in his Country. They did not believe in Birth Control. They had 17 kids. That to me does not sound normal!!!! My Grandma was pregnant right after she had just had a kid. I know it should be in God's hands but we have to help a bit, if not you'll end up with 10+ kids!!! Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 The thing is, when does a religious point of view, a way of living, affect one's personal life? An example I can think of is a Jehovah Witness. They do not believe in blood transfusions. Recently (I think in Vancouver, BC) a family with a child who had a tumour removed from her leg, was court ordered to have blood transfusions as the chemo was damaging her blood cell production. The doctors told the parents and they refused as it was against their religion. To me, if I had a child who needed a tranfusion, I would allow it! IT's a LIFE SAVING PROCEDURE!! Isn't it a mother's (and father) instinct to protect and do everything necessary to make sure their children are healthy and if any procedure can help, you do it??? Something is really wrong here. The parents would rather see their child suffer than allow a transfusion because if they didn't it would go against the J.W's beliefs. I strongly believe that the courts did the right thing by forcing that family to allow the proper treatment. It is NOT God's will to let a child suffer like that, especially when the fix is staring at them right in the face! The child is only practicing what her folks have taught her, but I'm sure this child would rather LIVE than DIE. Rather disappoint the Church than lose her life. There HAS to be a line drawn when one puts aside their religious beliefs inorder to save a life. It's so logical and natural. Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Originally posted by FolderWife How does religion view porn? I'm sure it would fall under the catergory of pre-marital sex. Wait till marriage. But even then sex is only for pro-creation, then porn is tied into one's personal pleasure of sex. Same goes with masterbation and sex toys. I bet sex toys are taboo as they ain't gonna impregnant a woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 My sex is for recreation, until I decide it's for procreation. Never forget that sex is recreational! Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Spock Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Tiki, if you're planning on having children then by all means allow your religious convictions to foster and go off the pill, stop using condoms, whatever. If you both decide not to have children together then have your husband get a vasectomy, get your tubes tied-that way you can repent for it ONCE and be forgiven, rather than continuing to use the pill and feel guilty. Part of being a normal human being is acheiving balance in your life-in this case, between religion and social responsibility. It's easy to say "God" will do something while the state is feeding your kids. Link to post Share on other sites
BlockHead Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 tiki From a religious perspective, you shouldn't be having pre-marital sex.You can look at it from a religious or a practical perspective. 1. You won't have out of weddlock children. 2. There would be fewer STDs. 3. Once there is marriage, there will be a more tightly knit and stable family. whichwayisup An example I can think of is a Jehovah Witness. They do not believe in blood transfusions.Jehova Witness: That is a cult. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Spock Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Noun: cult kúlt Adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices An interest followed with exaggerated zeal - fad, craze, furor [N. Amer], furore, rage A system of religious beliefs and rituals - cultus, religious cult Derived forms: cults So is Christianity blockhead. Link to post Share on other sites
laRubiaBonita Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Mr Spock Part of being a normal human being is acheiving balance in your life-in this case, between religion and social responsibility. It's easy to say "God" will do something while the state is feeding your kids. Spock, you said this very well! Link to post Share on other sites
SexKitten Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Mr Spock If you both decide not to have children together then have your husband get a vasectomy, get your tubes tied-that way you can repent for it ONCE and be forgiven, rather than continuing to use the pill and feel guilty. this kind of hypocrisy is exactly why i am not religious. tiki...just out of curiosity, how would you feel about having 10 kids? (just for the record, i've seen your posts and i think you would be a fabulous mother to as many kids as you would have.) Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Spock Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 this kind of hypocrisy is exactly why i am not religious. It would be hypocrosy if I were religious. To anyone else it's merely a suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Mr Spock It's easy to say "God" will do something while the state is feeding your kids. You're right. And if the state was feeding my kid's faces, I'd bet on BC ASAP. Something isn't working in your favor, if that's the case. Originally posted by BlockHead You can look at it from a religious or a practical perspective. 1. You won't have out of weddlock children. 2. There would be fewer STDs. 3. Once there is marriage, there will be a more tightly knit and stable family. You are so right! I wish more people would think along these lines. I wish I'd have thought along those lines. Originally posted by SexKitten tiki...just out of curiosity, how would you feel about having 10 kids? (just for the record, i've seen your posts and i think you would be a fabulous mother to as many kids as you would have.) Awww, thanks SK. I'd probably not have a problem having ten kids, just being honest. I love, love, love kids. I'd want to get it out of the way moreso than having kids over a span of thrity years or something, but I really probably would enjoy it. Ever seen Cheaper By the Dozen? Love that movie! I envy that lifestyle. I must be weird. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Mr Spock If you both decide not to have children together then have your husband get a vasectomy, get your tubes tied-that way you can repent for it ONCE and be forgiven, rather than continuing to use the pill and feel guilty. Originally posted by SexKitten this kind of hypocrisy is exactly why i am not religious. [/i] Originally posted by Mr Spock It would be hypocrosy if I were religious. To anyone else it's merely a suggestion. SK, I think she was definitely referring to me and my history when she recommended this. She knows how I am. I want to do the right thing, but that's the path of the most resistance sometimes. And we all make crummy choices. I had issues with pre-marital sex. Once during the relationship, once after marriage. So I don't think it's spock trying to tell everyone to do it, but for my sanity, I think she's right on with how my brain works. And props to her for being so perceptive and taking my needs, wants and all that jive into perspective. I would feel bad. And I would be better off to repent once after doing it once (hyst, vasectomy). That's the way I work. Weird, I know. Link to post Share on other sites
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