Trump supporters/Hillary supporters, Dealbreakers?

[Daisy2013]

I would not date a liberal and certainly would not date anyone who supported Hillary. Obama has almost destroyed us, she would finish the job. For God's sake, how could a sane person support her? We don't have much of a choice here with Trump either, and it's reflective of the sad shape our country is in.

[introverted1]

Don't forget Johnson or even Stein...

 

I don't date based on my politics but people who insist that their views are the only right ones are people I tend to avoid. Respectful debate and disagreement should be possible.

[Tayla]

I would not date a liberal and certainly would not date anyone who supported Hillary. Obama has almost destroyed us, she would finish the job. For God's sake, how could a sane person support her? We don't have much of a choice here with Trump either, and it's reflective of the sad shape our country is in.

 

Daisy, please feel free to review the link , I think its important to acknowledge some accomplishments of a president before opining that destroying was the effect.

 

THE List of 371 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations

 

I didn't much care for Reagan during his tenure yet after reviewing some of his accomplishments I gained a bit of regard for his tasks and achievements.

[losangelena]

Trump supporters make my lady boner deflate in 10 seconds or less. No way are they getting their d*** wet in me. Not even the tip.

[Taramere]

I have friends and family all over the political spectrum; I'm wary of people who would exclude people from their lives based on political persuasion (although I might do so based on them being obnoxious or a pain in the ass about it).

 

 

But right now, if I was in the dating game, I'd be equally wary of anyone who was a little too ardent in their support of either candidate. Might point to some fundamental compatibility issues for a romantic relationship which wouldn't be a big deal in a non-romantic relationship.

 

Absolutely agree. I think Americans have an unenviable choice to make in November. I can sympathise with that, since in the UK we've also had difficult choices to make lately. I don't think I'd hold a person's voting decision in November against them (though since I don't live in the US, and have long since stopped caring about dating it's a moot point). Like you, however, if I was in the market for it I think I'd be pretty put off romantically by anybody who was very enthusiastic about either Clinton or Trump.

 

That said, if I had to make a choice between two types of ranters - left wing or right wing - for a romantic relationship, I would probably pick the right wing ranter. I think right wingers tend to operate in a very basic territorial way that is decried as bigoted...but that comes from basic instincts that every animal feels when threatened and when required to protect territory, mates and children.

 

Healthy self interest and the love we feel for family are the main protectors against political brainwashing. Right wing extremism exploits these things ("your interests and your loved ones are being threatened"). Left wing extremism tells us that we are bad people for prioritising self interest and loved ones against the things that left wing extremists prioritise. Both are negative, but I find the latter approach more sinister. More likely to be the precursor to some serious brainwashing of the "you are a bad person, but our ideology can heal you" variety.

 

Plus on a personal level, I find it easier to deal with men who go on right wing rants. I'll let them get it out of their system and then open that door to invite them back into more moderate, rational and reasonable thinking. Most of the time, I've found people like that are "yeah, okay - I just lost it a bit there. It's been a difficult day". With left wing extremists, that's not happening. Progressive extremists seem more likely to view themselves as the protectors and promoters of intellectualism, and therefore it's less likely that they'll own any emotional component to their rants. That said, maybe I've never really dealt in any depth with a seriously extremist right winger. I think often people who are moderately to the right get labelled incorrectly as extremists by the left. Though to be fair, a lot of people on the right seem to see anybody with even moderately left wing views as an embryo communist.

 

Perhaps this is a more British than American thing, but I'd say there are strong veins of misogyny in the left. There's never been a female leader of the socialist opposition here, and there's nothing like a Conservative female Prime Minister to bring out a bit of righteously expressed left wing misogyny. When it does come out, it's absolutely virulent....and career feminists tend not to address it, since feminism generally associates itself with the left.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/11/hard-left-misogyny-problem-liz-kendall-socialist-worker-party

Edited July 24, 2016 by Taramere

[Emilia]

I think going to extremes is tricky and I would have problems with both, regardless whether it's left or right. In my view, the far right or the hard left are actually not that far off each other and they borrow ideologies. I view the leader of the opposition in the UK (Labour) just as much of a headbanger as those on the hard or far right. In my view, he preaches just as much intolerance but dresses it up differently.

 

I would base my decision on whether he understood what division did to society: today it's one group of people you may not care about that much, tomorrow it will be you. I would struggle to date anyone who didn't understand that.

[Aniela]

I'm fine with moderate right-wingers, which is why I haven't dumped those I know who support Trump. I have seen vile things (and plenty of shaming) from both sides, and I personally don't think I'm better than them - but I've made a controversial voting decision before, when I was upset with what I had thought of as my party, and dealt with friends barely tolerating me for a good while. I really disagree with them (those supporting Trump), though, and won't be shamed into being quiet, just as I wouldn't before.

[Aniela]

I think going to extremes is tricky and I would have problems with both, regardless whether it's left or right. In my view, the far right or the hard left are actually not that far off each other and they borrow ideologies. I view the leader of the opposition in the UK (Labour) just as much of a headbanger as those on the hard or far right. In my view, he preaches just as much intolerance but dresses it up differently.

 

I've noticed this over here for years, as well. Both parties using fear, in order to gain votes.

 

I'm seeing a lot of falling out between friends - I've watched people get really defensive and hurtful, with those they once respected (and this is just between Democrats and Liberal Independents), and cut them off - it's getting worse as we're getting closer to the election.

 

Some people are forgetting with Trump, that it isn't just about his whole "I'll build a wall" thing. He's come out with things like, "women who have abortions should be arrested." I really can't stand the guy, and I wish that the Republicans had come out with someone that I liked and found interesting - that would mean someone less extreme (much less, so it's never going to happen). I wish this was going to be a difficult election season, because we had two equally great candidates to choose between, instead of this stuff that leaves me feeling like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

[Lois_Griffin]

I have noticed that the only people saying they refuse to date someone based on politics are people against Trump supporters. Democrats, the party of tolerance. As long as you are also a Democrat. Hilarious.

LOL. Repeated for TRUTH.

[Aniela]

LOL. Repeated for TRUTH.

 

I'm not going to deliberately seek out a Trump supporter, so that I can sit there and tolerate their intolerance. There's a lot of it coming from that camp, too. I see it right here in this thread. "I'll insult and shame all Liberals, and expect them to tolerate it, or make themselves look bad - but as a Republican or Libertarian, it's expected of me to be rude, so I can get away with it."

[salparadise]

Some people are forgetting with Trump, that it isn't just about his whole "I'll build a wall" thing. He's come out with things like, "women who have abortions should be arrested." I really can't stand the guy, and I wish that the Republicans had come out with someone that I liked and found interesting - that would mean someone less extreme (much less, so it's never going to happen). I wish this was going to be a difficult election season, because we had two equally great candidates to choose between, instead of this stuff that leaves me feeling like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

 

No kidding... it does feel like we've entered the Twilight Zone. In a normal election cycle any one of the crazy things Trump has said would be political suicide for the candidate, but he seems to mesmerize a certain segment, literally.

 

Trump said:

"My people are so smart -- and you know what else they say about my people? The polls? I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that? I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

 

And he's right about the second part, smart though... replace smart with gullible and it would be a true statement. It's like he's tuned into a genetic defect in twenty percent of the population that keeps them from being able to recognize batsh*t crazy when it's attached to a motor mouth that spews vitriol at the speed of a squirrel that can't decide which side of the road to run to.

 

When I was in high school there was a cognitively challenged student who hitch-hiked everywhere and was somewhat likable, but not in a serious way. Well, that guy set records for the number of student offices he was elected to... we'd write him in for president of the student body and everything else. It drove the faculty nuts. It was funny as hell–– we'd all cheer when they had to announce that he was elected to yet another office. Is that what's going on in the presidential election this year? Nope, it's more like the reverse of that.

 

POTUS actually has the power to push THE button, and everything he says and does affects us and everyone else in the world. I am flabbergasted at what we're seeing. It's unfathomable. Yet some people actually take the guy seriously!

 

It's different this year. Normally I would lean more toward dating Democrats, but I just couldn't possibly cozy up to a woman who has such an anomaly in her neural pathways that she'd be drawn into this year's comedy of errors.

Edited July 24, 2016 by salparadise

[William]

Feel free to discuss relationship dealbreakers regarding interacting with people one would otherwise be attracted to if not for their political viewpoints.

 

This thread is not a location to develop a duplicate debate about this year's political race. We already have a thread on that running here (link to latest post):

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/off-topic/political-proselytization-warmongering/580592-2016-presidential-race-96.html#post6989503

 

Thanks!

[basil67]

I'm progressive voter and I have some conservative friends. To me, it depends on why hey are conservative. If it's because they want tax breaks for business etc, I can live with that. But if they are a conservative of the type who would block marriage equality or preach hate about those who are of a different colours then that's a whole other story.

 

Mind you, Trump makes Australia's right wing government look positively left. And while I could possibly date a right wing Aussie, there's no way I could date someone who's morals and ethics align with Trump.

[Timshel]

My SO and I are both NPA/Independent. While he leans toward Trump and I lean toward Clinton (because I despise Trump.) We both are able to discuss and acknowledge the flaws and disadvantages of both candidates.

 

As a couple, we are able to navigate this election. As Aniela said, it's a shame voting for either candidate feels morally acceptable, we have no better choices and it does feel like the f*ck*ing Twilight Zone.

Yet it won't tear us apart, we'll probably just cancel each other out.

[carhill]

With the election coming up and the vitriol on social media regarding diff. of opinions on these two...in fact, I have had a friend on FB announce that if someone found out their friend OR family member voted for Trump, they'd ostracize them from their lives...

 

I've always found it interesting how politics can take over people's interpersonal relationships. For some reason I've never seen politicians as worthy of much, especially not impacting personal relationships.

 

Now, I wonder how these two candidates will factor into the dating criteria?

IDK, it seems a lot of people I have contact with, meaning friends, don't discuss the political cycle at all. I would imagine dates or potential dates to be similar or distance themselves even further depending on their level of 'like'. More like = less rock the boat.

How passionate are you are that you're willing to let a person go due to WHO they will be voting for?

I'm passionate about government staying the heck out of my business. Other than that, hey they, like friends or dating partners, can do and vote for what/who they want. Same as go to whatever place of worship they want. More power to them to make individual choices. If they start telling me how to make my own choices, the end

Some...may even decide not to tell you who they are voting for on principle, yes?

Yup, pretty much. Back when I was dating during political cycles, which occurred during some pretty turbulent times of our history, I don't ever recall a lady I dated discussing politics. Shopping, sure

[jen1447]

Probably shouldn't link it here but anyone who suspects there are no (hot young) women who like Trump (and presumably want to have sex w Trump supporters) should Google 'Babes for Trump.' Yes it's a thing.

[Art_Critic]

should Google 'Babes for Trump.'

 

Make breasts great again ..

 

I was looking at all the couples I know at work and home and I noticed they are all the same politically whether they are Democrat or Republican.. so in my world it seems that birds if a feather seems to be at work...

[basil67]

I find it interesting that some posters would not date a person who would reject another based on their politics. But I think our politics reflect our morals and ethics.

 

Taking politics out of the argument, I'm wondering if the same posters would reject a woman because she refused to date someone who's morals and ethics she found offensive or otherwise incompatible with her own.

[JustGettingBy]

I thought you weren't supposed to talk politics on a date?

[basil67]

I thought you weren't supposed to talk politics on a date?

 

Some rules are made to be broken

[Wave Rider]

Clinton vs. Trump is like having to make the choice between being shot and being poisoned. I don't think I would disqualify a dating prospect for picking one or the other.

[salparadise]

I find it interesting that some posters would not date a person who would reject another based on their politics. But I think our politics reflect our morals and ethics.

 

 

Worldview, mode of being, social conscience... grace or virtue.

 

For me it's almost like two different species. How can someone not care about these things? I guess if someone focuses intently enough on height, weight, hair, breast size, and lifestyle upgrades there aren't enough synapses left to care about intangibles.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I've known people to cut ties with others due to some opposing political remarks. No more invites to house parties for some I suppose.

 

I thought you weren't supposed to talk politics on a date?

 

To some, it's HIGHLY important to talk about it.

[Els]

I don't think I could be with someone who was at either extreme of the spectrum. It's not about judgment, just about compatibility. In view of that, I'd be okay with someone supporting Hillary (she really isn't far left at all, she's actually centre-right IMO), probably not okay with a Trump supporter. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't be compatible with supporters of the ultra-left-wing Green Party (not popular in the US, but relatively popular in some other countries) either.

 

I wouldn't cut ties with anyone (my friends/family have a variety of views), but for a partner compatibility is much more important.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Elswyth

[MightyPen]

Worldview, mode of being, social conscience... grace or virtue.

 

For me it's almost like two different species. How can someone not care about these things? I guess if someone focuses intently enough on height, weight, hair, breast size, and lifestyle upgrades there aren't enough synapses left to care about intangibles.

 

Yeah I'll cosign this.

 

I don't see how a person can just ignore significant differences in worldviews with a potential partner. I mean, yeah, if you're both somewhat in the middle but just disagree on a few issues, I can see that working out, but let's take a starker example...

 

if Person A believes that gay people can get married because it's a fundamental right to be treated equally with straight people, and Person B opposes gay marriage, I suppose on religious reasons, but let's just say they think "traditional marriage" is a fundamental right but that same sex couples don't share that same right, then holy smokes, you are disagreeing not on tangential issues, but on central issues of who has rights and why.

 

Same thing with abortion...if someone truly believes abortion = murder, how in the world can they voluntarily socialize with/couple with/potentially marry someone who is pro-choice and thereby "condones murder" in their eyes? Would they marry someone who actively supported serial killers, contributed to crowdfunding for them, etc? If not, what's the difference?

 

See it's not just "disagreeing on politics" in many cases. It's about having widely different philosophies about right and wrong. In my opinion, that's not a great recipe for marital success.