Wife of almost 23 years wants divorce [updated]

[Jeff1690]

Tink found out, I think why mine did not send. I did not fill out the title section. Check your PM yours may not be going through because you did not put a title.

[tinkerbell16]

Tink found out, I think why mine did not send. I did not fill out the title section. Check your PM yours may not be going through because you did not put a title.

 

Hi Jeff, I just replied to your pm... did you receive it?

[Jeff1690]

Well just got back from doing the refi. All paperwork is signed. I should get my check next week. The wife tried to have a conversation but I kept with short answers. Did not really act like a dick but I basically ignored her. After we signed she followed me out.

 

There is an extra $589.00 I am getting that I did not know about. The wife said it should go in the checking account. I told her I did not think so and she asked why. I told her I was going to use it to take my own beach trip like she did with her boyfriend. I then let the clutch out and hit the gas and left.

 

She came home to get the mail and take our sons out to eat. She asked if my lawyer had contacted her's about the living arraignments. I showed her the emails my lawyer sent and told her her lawyer was the one not responding.

She then said she thinks there should be a time line on how long I can stay.

 

I told her I would be out as soon as possible, maybe before Christmas. Then she said it should say so in the paperwork. I told her because I am doing most of the work myself I was not sure how long it would be and I was not signing any paperwork with a time frame. I told her she has screwed my life up enough and I would get as soon as possible and at my pace. She just looked at me and said okay. Not sure what is going to happen now.

 

I can see she has no qualms about ending our marriage. She is so far ahead of me on disconnecting. The entire time we sat doing the paperwork every time I looked at her I just wanted to smack her upside the head thinking about all that she has done to me. Then her matter of fact manner of wanting me out as quickly as possible further pushed me towards wanting this divorce.

 

It still hurts to look at her and see her acting and talking about this as if it is just an everyday conversation like walking the dog or something. I also had to push the thought out of my head about being wrong for being so short to her. It has not been the way I have ever talked to her unless we were really mad at each other. I never raise my voice to her when mad. I speak quietly and stare at her. She calls it "the look". Well she got the look the entire time we talked.

 

So it is odd to me to be that way to her when she is trying to be friendly. By the time she left I could tell she was pissed. Hate to see that in a way, but I have to remember she lied to me, cheated on me, and kept me stringing along over a year without even telling me she was planning to divorce me.

 

I suppose this is how you are supposed to actually act doing the 180. I have to decide whether to call her or email her about the living arrangements and tell her I will be out as soon as possible. I want to do this to ensure I can convince her that she does not need to put a time frame in the divorce papers. Got to make sure this does not turn nasty. I am close to getting my money and starting on the cabin and my new life.

 

So what are your thoughts on how I handled this? I hope I have conveyed how it actually went down. It is hard to type out what we see and say in situations like this.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Jeff1690

[kgcolonel]

Jeff, Just be smart....once you have the payout, then you may do what you want.....personally, I'd write into the divorce papers that 30 days after the completion of the cabin, you'll be out. It may not be what she is expecting but remember, she started this not you. Given the choice, you'd never be in this situation. This would be my beginning point in the negociation with her on the move out date. If she wants you out sooner, she can pitch in financially to get you the help that will accelerate the completion of the cabin. The initial deal was that you could stay until the cabin was completed. Next time she pushes just ask her "what's your hurry"? Then go silent until she responds, I'll be she is taken aback and won't know how to respond.

[BluesPower]

I think you did great Jeff. I really love the comment about the beach trip, that was GREAT!!!

 

Don't let her push you about being out. She started this SHI*, not you. I think you have been more than reasonable on your end. Way better than I would be.

 

As soon as you get your check you have GOT to expose her to everyone most especially her BFF if she does not already know. That will give her the RED A** for sure.

 

That will be that start of her beginning to hurt. And you moving on and going dark on her will only add to her pain. And, believe me she deserves some comeback Karma on this one for sure.

 

And start getting this in your head as well. For the love of God, when she finally comes back to you broken about what she has done, do not comfort her or allow her back into your life for any reason.

 

You have to prepare your mind for this, because it will happen almost for sure. I have never even heard of someone doing what she has done for so long to another person that they loved at one time. Maybe it has happened, but I have not heard about it.

 

Keep up the great work.

[Marc878]

I can see she has no qualms about ending our marriage. She is so far ahead of me on disconnecting. The entire time we sat doing the paperwork every time I looked at her I just wanted to smack her upside the head thinking about all that she has done to me. Then her matter of fact manner of wanting me out as quickly as possible further pushed me towards wanting this divorce.

 

She's been planning this for a year. You just didn't know it. In an affair the spouse means nothing anymore

 

It still hurts to look at her and see her acting and talking about this as if it is just an everyday conversation like walking the dog or something. I also had to push the thought out of my head about being wrong for being so short to her. It has not been the way I have ever talked to her unless we were really mad at each other. I never raise my voice to her when mad. I speak quietly and stare at her. She calls it "the look". Well she got the look the entire time we talked.

 

Her other man took your place. Why would you be friendly??? You owe her nothing anymore. Be civil but short and to the point. You need to get as detached as possible because she will be seeing him openly soon. 180, 180, 180!!!!!

 

So it is odd to me to be that way to her when she is trying to be friendly. By the time she left I could tell she was pissed. Hate to see that in a way, but I have to remember she lied to me, cheated on me, and kept me stringing along over a year without even telling me she was planning to divorce me.

 

It's to her advantage to be friendly. It helps her alieviate guilt and say "see he's ok with it". No, it's not!!!!

 

I suppose this is how you are supposed to actually act doing the 180. I have to decide whether to call her or email her about the living arrangements and tell her I will be out as soon as possible. I want to do this to ensure I can convince her that she does not need to put a time frame in the divorce papers. Got to make sure this does not turn nasty. I am close to getting my money and starting on the cabin and my new life.

 

You don't ever call her for anything. Stop answering her phone calls. Short text or email. Never respond or answer anything that does not have to do with divorce or business.

 

You are getting there but it takes time for you to realize you haven't mattered. It's all about OM. The sooner you can let your mind overrule your heart the better. She's way ahead of you. You just didn't know the truth and she sure as hell wasn't/isn't going to tell you.

 

You have to figure a way to move on. She sure did.

 

Sorry man. It sucks but you can get through it. Don't ever accept the lies and deceit.

[Marc878]

I think you did great Jeff. I really love the comment about the beach trip, that was GREAT!!!

 

Yes, great Job!!!!!!

 

As soon as you get your check you have GOT to expose her to everyone most especially her BFF if she does not already know.

 

Exposure would help get some closure and openly set the record straight. Why help hide who she has become???

[Marc878]

No one can be prepared to deal with what you're going through. You live with someone for over twenty years and one day they're gone. It's going to hurt and it's going to take awhile for you. The info you're getting is to get you through this the best you possibly can.

 

It's foreign to you now because part of you still sees her as who she was not who she's become. You nor anyone else that has gone through this can understand it fully. That's why they have an advantage at this time. Until you can see her for who she is it'll just be tougher to get through. You are starting to figure it out.

 

You like most still cling to some hope that it really isn't happening or that it'll just go away and everything will work out. However, you must prepare for your future. Infidelity in a marriage never goes away. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

 

You ultimate goal is to get to a place of indifference. The 180, no contact is what will get you there. Then you can make your own future what you want it to be.

[Bufo]

Pressure from OM who wants to improve his lifestyle?

[Jeff1690]

Not sure Bufo. I don't think she would bring a new man into the house right away with the sons there. That would be hard to explain.

 

On an interesting note after the wife and sons left I sat around for awhile reading "Uncoupling", that was suggested here and I do recommend it. I finally decided to hell with it I am going to guy buy new dishes for my cabin.

 

I pull into the parking lot of the store and not three spaces over is the wife's Jeep. So I figured she was in Bed bath and beyond where I was going or Hobby Lobby next door. Sure enough as I walk towards the store she comes out of Hobby Lobby with a big bag.

 

She sees me right before I make it to the doors and calls out to me. Walks up and starts having a conversation again. Once again I answered her questions in a short manner then told her I would see her next week and walked in. As was walking in the store I could see her in a mirror and she just stood there a few seconds watching me walk off. Shook her head and walked back to her Jeep.

 

I wish I knew what she was thinking. It seems she is a bit confused with my attitude. I am sure she is telling her friends what a dick I am being, but oh well.

 

I think the next few months are going to be quite interesting. Going to try my hardest to remain aloof and not ask one question or answer one about our relationship. I don't think it has quite hit her yet about the divorce even though I am sure she is enjoying her freedom and relieved we are almost done. Looking forward to her having a few crash and burn relationships while my life improves and I live well.

[Marc878]

The power of the 180!!!! Read it in detail again and stick to it. HARD!!!!!

 

She was/is expecting the old you who she thought she had fooled. I'm going to slyly move onto my new man and we'll all be friends and live happily ever after. We'll celebrate the holidays as a big happy family and they'll probably like OM. No one will ever know. Oh, life will be so good!!!!!!!!

 

An affair is fantasy based where everything is great and it's all wonderful as long as it's a secret and in the dark. When it comes out in the light and everyone sees it for what it is. Not so much!!!

 

Nice job by the way. She's now seeing the unexpected consequences.

[Marc878]

She sees me right before I make it to the doors and calls out to me. Walks up and starts having a conversation again. Once again I answered her questions in a short manner then told her I would see her next week and walked in. As was walking in the store I could see her in a mirror and she just stood there a few seconds watching me walk off. Shook her head and walked back to her Jeep.

 

Your best response in this situation is "I gotta go". Then just walk away. You owe her nothing now. Chatting gets you nothing. Remember she fired you from your husbands role.

 

I wish I knew what she was thinking. It seems she is a bit confused with my attitude. I am sure she is telling her friends what a dick I am being, but oh well.

 

It doesn't matter what she says or her or her friends think at this time. The truth will come out soon enough.

 

I think the next few months are going to be quite interesting. Going to try my hardest to remain aloof and not ask one question or answer one about our relationship. I don't think it has quite hit her yet about the divorce even though I am sure she is enjoying her freedom and relieved we are almost done. Looking forward to her having a few crash and burn relationships while my life improves and I live well.

 

She didn't think about what was going to happen long term. Cheaters live in the here and now. You may as well get her used to it and yourself as well. Your future depends on severing any relationship with her. It'll just keep you down and prohibit your moving on. You can't quite see this yet but you will.

 

You're finally getting it now keep it up. It's called respect for yourself.

[tinkerbell16]

Not sure Bufo. I don't think she would bring a new man into the house right away with the sons there. That would be hard to explain.

 

On an interesting note after the wife and sons left I sat around for awhile reading "Uncoupling", that was suggested here and I do recommend it. I finally decided to hell with it I am going to guy buy new dishes for my cabin.

 

I pull into the parking lot of the store and not three spaces over is the wife's Jeep. So I figured she was in Bed bath and beyond where I was going or Hobby Lobby next door. Sure enough as I walk towards the store she comes out of Hobby Lobby with a big bag.

 

She sees me right before I make it to the doors and calls out to me. Walks up and starts having a conversation again. Once again I answered her questions in a short manner then told her I would see her next week and walked in. As was walking in the store I could see her in a mirror and she just stood there a few seconds watching me walk off. Shook her head and walked back to her Jeep.

 

I wish I knew what she was thinking. It seems she is a bit confused with my attitude. I am sure she is telling her friends what a dick I am being, but oh well.

 

I think the next few months are going to be quite interesting. Going to try my hardest to remain aloof and not ask one question or answer one about our relationship. I don't think it has quite hit her yet about the divorce even though I am sure she is enjoying her freedom and relieved we are almost done. Looking forward to her having a few crash and burn relationships while my life improves and I live well.

 

Hi Jeff

Just pm you. It is long so I sure hope it made it.

 

Everything you are feeling and experiencing is normal. Your feeling guilty about your reactions to her "kindness".

Like others have said, cheaters don't think about the cost of their actions. In their mind they can have their cake and eat it too. All think the grass is greener.

 

All while you are trying to reconcile the love you have for her with the pain she has caused you.

 

I remember telling my attorney as I signed the petition to divorce that I was divorcing a man I loved, my soul mate. It didn't look like the first time she had heard that...

 

Time will help. It helped me when I realized that I couldn't squelch the love. Although it may be necessary at the beginningto get through the divorce. In the end I embrace the love for him, it never goes away. Too much history for that to ve possibke. Instead, I put it in a familial love not romantic love category in my heart. I boxed it up in a corner of my heart so to speak.

 

You were a constant in her life, a solid man. She could count on you. She isn't processing that she destroyed that. This destruction won't hit her until you are fully removed from her life. It may take months of using other (relationships) as a crutch but she will realize what she destroyed and it will hit her hard.

 

No one will be like you. Marriages that last as long as ours don't last because you were wrong for each other.

 

More on this on my pm. Let me know if you received it?

Hugs, Tink

[The_Onceler]

So it is odd to me to be that way to her when she is trying to be friendly. By the time she left I could tell she was pissed. Hate to see that in a way, but I have to remember she lied to me, cheated on me, and kept me stringing along over a year without even telling me she was planning to divorce me.

 

It's all part of her own denial and rationalization. She needs to feel that what she is doing is OK, and that requires that you both play nice together, almost as if nothing has happened.

 

The other night my STBX and I were discussing how/what to tell our girls about our impending split (T-10 days and counting!). She noted my angry tone of voice and took issue with it. I had to stop her right there. I reminded her:

 

(1) You announced to me that you wanted us to split

(2) You had the online affair with your college boyfriend

(3) You required me to "buy you out" of the new house that I had just bought for you.

 

In light of that, I am SUPPOSED to be angry. I told her that she was just going to have to accept that my tone might be an angry one, and then get on with the conversation.

 

She didn't like that response, and didn't like being reminded that her actions and decisions were the reason we were having the conversation in the first place. It is hard for her to feel good about her exciting new affair when she is reminded of the wreckage that she is leaving in her wake.

 

I imagine it is the same for most cheating spouses.

 

It sounds like you are doing well, though - keep hanging tough!

[tinkerbell16]

It's all part of her own denial and rationalization. She needs to feel that what she is doing is OK, and that requires that you both play nice together, almost as if nothing has happened.

 

The other night my STBX and I were discussing how/what to tell our girls about our impending split (T-10 days and counting!). She noted my angry tone of voice and took issue with it. I had to stop her right there. I reminded her:

 

(1) You announced to me that you wanted us to split

(2) You had the online affair with your college boyfriend

(3) You required me to "buy you out" of the new house that I had just bought for you.

 

In light of that, I am SUPPOSED to be angry. I told her that she was just going to have to accept that my tone might be an angry one, and then get on with the conversation.

 

She didn't like that response, and didn't like being reminded that her actions and decisions were the reason we were having the conversation in the first place. It is hard for her to feel good about her exciting new affair when she is reminded of the wreckage that she is leaving in her wake.

 

I imagine it is the same for most cheating spouses.

 

It sounds like you are doing well, though - keep hanging tough!

 

Similar to my experience. They like to take the role of victim too.. this helps asuage their guilt.

 

They don't see their actions being the cause of the pesky details like oh.. the destruction of a family, life, love and future.

 

They live in their own reality.

 

I remember saying to my ex repeatedly he started this madness.

 

Yet we still feel guilty for feeling normal reactions like anger and pain.

 

It a roller coaster ride for sure.

[Marc878]

It's all part of her own denial and rationalization. She needs to feel that what she is doing is OK, and that requires that you both play nice together, almost as if nothing has happened.

 

The other night my STBX and I were discussing how/what to tell our girls about our impending split (T-10 days and counting!). She noted my angry tone of voice and took issue with it. I had to stop her right there. I reminded her:

 

(1) You announced to me that you wanted us to split

(2) You had the online affair with your college boyfriend

(3) You required me to "buy you out" of the new house that I had just bought for you.

 

In light of that, I am SUPPOSED to be angry. I told her that she was just going to have to accept that my tone might be an angry one, and then get on with the conversation.

 

She didn't like that response, and didn't like being reminded that her actions and decisions were the reason we were having the conversation in the first place. It is hard for her to feel good about her exciting new affair when she is reminded of the wreckage that she is leaving in her wake.

 

I imagine it is the same for most cheating spouses.

 

It sounds like you are doing well, though - keep hanging tough!

 

I can't like this enough.

 

They crap on you then expect you to accept it and be Polite Mr Nice Guy???

Keep to the 180 and the pressure on.

 

Did she consult you before screwing other man?

And get your approval?

Edited August 31, 2016 by Marc878

[turnera]

You're doing great. Short and sweet. Telling her you're going to take a vacation like she and OM did was priceless. But don't make that your mantra.

 

I've found that when women cheat, it's usually a matter of them getting hit on and then rationalizing the marriage away so that by the time they cheat, they feel they deserve it because they've 'rewritten history' so that they had no choice because you're such a bad husband. Total BS, but it's what they do.

 

So even if you had some discussion with her about why she did what she did, it would be all BS. See that?

 

I've also found that the one thing that betrayed spouses usually need most is to get control back. The cheater has taken away control over the marriage by cheating, so the betrayed scrambles to find some way to feel in control again - by begging her to stop, by dumping her ass, by forcing her to confess, by cajoling her to feel remorse...

 

So the important thing to strive for is to LET GO. Accept you have no control over your spouse, that you never did, that you continued to have a partnership...until one of you chose otherwise. That's all a marriage ever is, right?

 

So accept that the ride is over and you're on to the next stage of your life.

 

What to do now? Stay 100% honest with your boys. Never badmouth their mom, because then they'll feel torn. Just be honest about what's going on.

 

I like the idea of trips, but you may want to consider doing a vacation club thing, as it can become more economical in the long run. I recommend Marriott for that.

 

As for your cabin, do you have HGTV on cable? Try watching some episodes of Texas Flip N Move. They take crappy old houses (cabins, train cars, silos, whatever) and remodel them on the cheap. You can get some good ideas. And it's pretty entertaining if you want to think all of us Texans are like them, lol.

[Jeff1690]

You're doing great. Short and sweet. Telling her you're going to take a vacation like she and OM did was priceless. But don't make that your mantra.

 

I've found that when women cheat, it's usually a matter of them getting hit on and then rationalizing the marriage away so that by the time they cheat, they feel they deserve it because they've 'rewritten history' so that they had no choice because you're such a bad husband. Total BS, but it's what they do.

 

So even if you had some discussion with her about why she did what she did, it would be all BS. See that?

 

I've also found that the one thing that betrayed spouses usually need most is to get control back. The cheater has taken away control over the marriage by cheating, so the betrayed scrambles to find some way to feel in control again - by begging her to stop, by dumping her ass, by forcing her to confess, by cajoling her to feel remorse...

 

So the important thing to strive for is to LET GO. Accept you have no control over your spouse, that you never did, that you continued to have a partnership...until one of you chose otherwise. That's all a marriage ever is, right?

 

So accept that the ride is over and you're on to the next stage of your life.

 

What to do now? Stay 100% honest with your boys. Never badmouth their mom, because then they'll feel torn. Just be honest about what's going on.

 

I like the idea of trips, but you may want to consider doing a vacation club thing, as it can become more economical in the long run. I recommend Marriott for that.

 

As for your cabin, do you have HGTV on cable? Try watching some episodes of Texas Flip N Move. They take crappy old houses (cabins, train cars, silos, whatever) and remodel them on the cheap. You can get some good ideas. And it's pretty entertaining if you want to think all of us Texans are like them, lol.

Thanks everyone for your replies and advice. Tink keep the PM's coming great insight.

 

Tunera I will look at Marriott and see what they have to offer. Also the part of your reply I put in bold made me laugh. Watching Texas Flip N Move as I am typing this lol. I have been watching almost everything on DIY and HGTV getting ideas, almost non-stop.

 

Thanks again for the replies folks. Every one of them gives me something to think about and make me look at things at different angles.

[S2B]

Similar to my experience. They like to take the role of victim too.. this helps asuage their guilt.

 

They don't see their actions being the cause of the pesky details like oh.. the destruction of a family, life, love and future.

 

They live in their own reality.

 

I remember saying to my ex repeatedly he started this madness.

 

Yet we still feel guilty for feeling normal reactions like anger and pain.

 

It a roller coaster ride for sure.

 

A narcissist will always make others feel this way.

[Jeff1690]

Well I just shared this in a PM with one of the guys here and thought I would get everyone's thoughts

 

Real pissed today. Something I have not shared is I keep getting phone calls from blocked numbers from 3 women and 1 man telling me how happy my wife is, what a ****ty husband I am, and how much of a better lover my wife's boyfriend is.

 

I am sure it is her friends. She says she knows nothing about it. After confronting her face to face not long ago about it I didn't get the vibe she was lying. Not really her style. Of course lying and ****ing someone else didn't used to be her style. I think it is some of the divorced women in her complex that she hangs out with now. I am sure they find it hilarious and are doing her a favor by screwing with me.

 

Got another call today and I texted her and I told her to tell all her friends that whoever it is to stop or I would file police report and have the phone records pulled and file charges for harassing communications.

Also said I already know how bad she screwed me over by lying and cheating on me and I didn't need her friends to remind me. She replied immediately and said she didn't know who was doing it.

 

Sent her a second text telling her to call her lawyer to call mine so we could get this lie of a marriage over. Her lawyer is dragging her feet, not sure why since the wife wants a divorce. I got no response on the second text.

 

I probably violated the 180 rule but I was super pissed and am tired of the calls. Probably should have stuck to the calls in the first text but really wanted to throw her lying and cheating in her face. The second one was just another dig at her to let her know I am done with her.

 

Probably should take a walk down to the barn and work out again or hit the heavy bag for awhile. That is probably what I should have done to begin with instead of making contact.

[S2B]

Don't beat yourself up - that contact was necessary. Of course she's still denying everything. That's what she does and is predictable from her.

 

Next contact - file the police report. Don't hesitate. In fact I'd report it now since it's looking like someone(s) is harassing you.

 

She knows who is doing it - it's time to just take action. No more warnings. No more idle threats.

 

You should NEVER need to put up with that kind of crap for one second! Stand up for what's right and just have the cops come out.

 

That way your STBX understands you're not gonna stand for anyone messing with you.

[Jeff1690]

Don't beat yourself up - that contact was necessary. Of course she's still denying everything. That's what she does and is predictable from her.

 

Next contact - file the police report. Don't hesitate. In fact I'd report it now since it's looking like someone(s) is harassing you.

 

She knows who is doing it - it's time to just take action. No more warnings. No more idle threats.

 

You should NEVER need to put up with that kind of crap for one second! Stand up for what's right and just have the cops come out.

 

That way your STBX understands you're not gonna stand for anyone messing with you.

I really don't need the cops out. I am a high level police administrator. You are right about no idol threats but I will file if I get one more. I just really don't want my laundry aired where I work.

 

My wife knows it is not an idol threat. When we went to get our first house we discovered someone had stolen my wife's identity and racked up thousands in credit cards. Bad move on their part, I was a white collar crimes detective back then. Turned out it was her piece of crap mother. Had another detective work up a forgery packet on her mom and told her if the money was not repaid in 6 months I would ask him to turn it over to the D.A.

The wife was upset with me but in the end was more pissed at her mother for screwing up her credit and stealing from her. Once she thought it over she wanted her mother charged if the money was not repaid. It was.

 

I don't make statements of this type with out following through. Like I said just really don't want my laundry aired at work.

[BluesPower]

Man I am so sorry you are dealing with that kind of crap. Really makes me wonder what crap she has been telling all her friends.

 

 

The sooner you are done with her the better. Wow your STBXW is like the gift that keeps on giving. I thought I had it bad.

 

 

Jeff, you just stay strong, you are almost there and you can bet that her karma will catch up with her soon.

 

 

And really, you should see some really good times after you are through with her.

 

 

Peace...

[Jeff1690]

Man I am so sorry you are dealing with that kind of crap. Really makes me wonder what crap she has been telling all her friends.

 

 

The sooner you are done with her the better. Wow your STBXW is like the gift that keeps on giving. I thought I had it bad.

 

 

Jeff, you just stay strong, you are almost there and you can bet that her karma will catch up with her soon.

 

 

And really, you should see some really good times after you are through with her.

 

 

Peace...

 

I am not so sure she is talking pure total crap about me. The wife has always kept her personal life close, and does not share much with others. I am sure however she has said things about me but not so sure how bad. I can see her sipping wine sitting around with the group of divorced bitter women and lesbians in her complex all talking **** about men and egging her on.

 

I really think a few have just decided to have fun at my expense and think that they are doing my wife a favor.

 

Of course one thing I noticed in the text she denied knowing about the calls but not the lying and cheating. I almost sent one more text stating that. Lying has never suited her that is why I have never known her to do it. That is one of the reasons I think she keeps her mouth shut when I point out facts about the things she has done. She does not want to lie to my face. That is why she turns her head and won't look me in the eye and cries sometimes. Like I said she is not a crier. When she does it has always been for something really bad. I am sure she knows she has tainted her integrity and honesty not to mention her wedding vows and the spot between her legs. (Sorry about the last ladies, I am pissed)

[kgcolonel]

I am not so sure she is talking pure total crap about me. The wife has always kept her personal life close, and does not share much with others. I am sure however she has said things about me but not so sure how bad. I can see her sipping wine sitting around with the group of divorced bitter women and lesbians in her complex all talking **** about men and egging her on.

 

I really think a few have just decided to have fun at my expense and think that they are doing my wife a favor.

 

Of course one thing I noticed in the text she denied knowing about the calls but not the lying and cheating. I almost sent one more text stating that. Lying has never suited her that is why I have never known her to do it. That is one of the reasons I think she keeps her mouth shut when I point out facts about the things she has done. She does not want to lie to my face. That is why she turns her head and won't look me in the eye and cries sometimes. Like I said she is not a crier. When she does it has always been for something really bad. I am sure she knows she has tainted her integrity and honesty not to mention her wedding vows and the spot between her legs. (Sorry about the last ladies, I am pissed)

 

 

Jeff, you ought to be [email protected] women are indeed men haters....any benefit to recording the next message to play it back to her. If she really does not know who it is, it might help for her to actually hear the caller's voice.