logan415 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I almost 30 years old and never dated anyone but living in San Francisco dating is very, very hard here. I pretty much get passed up which is why I never try anymore here. So I turned to international dating and manage to meet several ladies from different parts of the world. I met online some people from Eastern Europe, one from the Philippines, Thailand, and Argentina. In American, least in San Francisco dating is awful here. People use Tinder and given that I'm a natural good looking person I have no chance here which is why I had this problem. I'm done with America dating, I don't think I want to try anymore just a waste of my time. I'm talking to a girl overseas now so I might visit her one day and date her and see how it goes. If goes good I'm leaving the USA. My physical attributes, I would describe, brown skin tone, with black hair and mixed with Latin, Indian and Irish. I guess women in other countries find me more exotic than here. What do you guys recommend. Should I go travel couple places and date couple people and see how it goes? I can say for sure I'm definitely not the type of guy American women are looking for so I'm jumping out of the American dating pool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ExpatInItaly Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Be very cautious dating internationally; there are plenty of scam agencies out there looking to hook their girls up with American men for money, a green card, and so on. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
DramaInPajamas Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 So I turned to international dating and manage to meet several ladies from different parts of the world. I met online some people from Eastern Europe, one from the Philippines, Thailand, and Argentina Dont know about Argentina. But Eastern Europe, Philippines and Thailand: all countries that are poor, and potential for you to be used as a green card and walking wallet. A way out of their own country. Gee no wonder you are having more success with that that with Americans: the women have an ulterior motive. If you want to date internationally try countries that arent like this. Wealthy countries where the citizens dont need a way out and are content with life. UK, France, Germany, Nordic countries, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
kolleamm Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Also consider they might cheat on you for someone better if you ever bring them to the US. Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Dont know about Argentina. But Eastern Europe, Philippines and Thailand: all countries that are poor, and potential for you to be used as a green card and walking wallet. A way out of their own country. Gee no wonder you are having more success with that that with Americans: the women have an ulterior motive. If you want to date internationally try countries that arent like this. Wealthy countries where the citizens dont need a way out and are content with life. UK, France, Germany, Nordic countries, etc. Not all of them are bad. Moscow is in Eastern Europe and they are quite wealthy. Also if I did find someone there I would move to their country. So I don't have to worry about green card issues. I also heard UK women are horrible and France are not good either. French women would never touch a brown skin person. Trust me women in the US can use men for money which is just as bad. You got gold diggers everywhere. It makes no difference. Edited July 24, 2016 by logan415 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwriter Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Don't date internationally. You are setting yourself up for a potential catastrophe. But... If you are intent to and have the means mentally, financially, and vocationally to move to another country, why not just do it? Don't move to, say, Thailand for one woman after meeting her on a dating service. Move there if you want to be immersed in that country, have a Thai adventure, meet the many beautiful women there, and live as an expat. One good thing about being an expat is you'll actually meet many Americans because expats tend to seek each other just by the bond of being a foreigner. And the women you meet locally will be less likely to want you for a green card than if you are here and they are there. Just don't move for one woman. Link to post Share on other sites
DramaInPajamas Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Not all of them are bad. Moscow is in Eastern Europe and they are quite wealthy. Also if I did find someone there I would move to their country. So I don't have to worry about green card issues. I also heard UK women are horrible and France are not good either. French women would never touch a brown skin person. Trust me women in the US can use men for money which is just as bad. You got gold diggers everywhere. It makes no difference. WTF. I am from the UK! No wonder you have no luck with dating with attitudes like yours. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 WTF. I am from the UK! No wonder you have no luck with dating with attitudes like yours. Sooorrrryyyy!! That is based from what I have heard from men. I do not know nothing about UK women. So I can't judge but I can judge Americans. Link to post Share on other sites
CryForNoOne Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I almost 30 years old and never dated anyone but living in San Francisco dating is very, very hard here. I pretty much get passed up which is why I never try anymore here. So I turned to international dating and manage to meet several ladies from different parts of the world. I met online some people from Eastern Europe, one from the Philippines, Thailand, and Argentina. In American, least in San Francisco dating is awful here. People use Tinder and given that I'm a natural good looking person I have no chance here which is why I had this problem. I'm done with America dating, I don't think I want to try anymore just a waste of my time. I'm talking to a girl overseas now so I might visit her one day and date her and see how it goes. If goes good I'm leaving the USA. My physical attributes, I would describe, brown skin tone, with black hair and mixed with Latin, Indian and Irish. I guess women in other countries find me more exotic than here. What do you guys recommend. Should I go travel couple places and date couple people and see how it goes? I can say for sure I'm definitely not the type of guy American women are looking for so I'm jumping out of the American dating pool. I'm sorry that you are having a hard time dating but I need to say that the problem is YOU and not the location. I've lived all over and can't think of a better place to date for men than SF. First of all, the demographics of "the city" proper are EXTREMELY distorted. Almost everyone is between 21-40 and there is a HUGE single population. The nightlife there is non-stop. I felt really odd taking my parents to dinner when they visited because many of the restaurants I frequented were ultra trendy and had resident DJs. My older parents seemed oddly out of place. You almost never see old people or kids in the city. Furthermore, there are so many gay men there that the hetero women outnumber the straight men. It's the only city where I've straight up had a woman walk up to me at a bar and ask to by ME a drink. My biggest complaint about SF is that the women aren't very attractive for a big city. Way too "granola" with armpit hair and no makeup way too common. They think a wax is something you remove from your ears... Why don't you try to improve yourself instead of copping out and trying to find a mail order bride. There are probably 200000 single women in SF. There has to be one. It's also a very cosmopolitan city and there are many foreigners there already! Many of those women are seeking a green card... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Poutrew Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) I have heard that the Philippines are OK, if you do it right. They are a conservative, mostly catholic country and if you are agreeable to the family, which means you can take care of their daughter, you will be a happy camper. The late night talk radio show host Art Bell went this route when his first wife died, and he is now living happily with his second wife in the Philippines. On the other hand, you can look up the sad story of the late science fiction writer Leo Frankowski. He was not ever able to get a date in America, and resorted to getting a mail order bride from an eastern block country. It did not go well. Did I mention he is dead...? (no, he wasn't murdered) It all boils down to the truism: You go on the ride after you pay the ticket price. Just be sure you don't get thrown off... Edited July 24, 2016 by Poutrew Link to post Share on other sites
Shanex Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 French women would never touch a brown skin person. Maybe you should travel a bit before making stupid assumptions. I've never seen more mixed couples than in Paris and Marseille. That includes white French women with black or Arabs guys. ''I've heard'' or ''I was told'' doesn't make it reality. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have heard that the Philippines are OK, if you do it right. They are a conservative, mostly catholic country and if you are agreeable to the family, which means you can take care of their daughter, you will be a happy camper. The late night talk radio show host Art Bell went this route when his first wife died, and he is now living happily with his second wife in the Philippines. On the other hand, you can look up the sad story of the late science fiction writer Leo Frankowski. He was not ever able to get a date in America, and resorted to getting a mail order bride from an eastern block country. It did not go well. Did I mention he is dead...? (no, he wasn't murdered) It all boils down to the truism: You go on the ride after you pay the ticket price. Just be sure you don't get thrown off... I'm not going to mail order bride though. I'm just going for a normal date just like you would do here in America. Mail order brides happen from marriage agency websites not from a normal dating website. Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Maybe you should travel a bit before making stupid assumptions. I've never seen more mixed couples than in Paris and Marseille. That includes white French women with black or Arabs guys. ''I've heard'' or ''I was told'' doesn't make it reality. Interesting. I never knew French women were into darker skin guys. Link to post Share on other sites
mortensorchid Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't know why you or anyone else would ever want to do something like this, truly. The time and energy and finance that you would have invest in something like this is incredible and ultimately wasteful. You would travel thousands of miles to meet someone for an internet date in a coffee shop in Timbuktu, and then what? Expect that this person is The One? I guess that happens. I have known one other person who has done that, not internationally but nationally in America. She would fly all across America for a weekend to meet someone she met on Match or the like (none, I would like to add, seemed to come to see her when she was living in her hometown). Whatever happened happened with that person for that weekend, but they would either do one of two things: She would never hear from that person every again, or the man would tell her that he wasn't sure how he felt about the situation once the weekend was over and then never hear from him again. I thought she was wasting her time or she wasn't living the the real world. I later realized that she was looking to move away from our home state (Ohio) and was hoping the man she would meet would help her get established somewhere else, but she wasn't a blatant user like some others I had known in said situations. Not that I am accusing you of this, but consider. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gr8fuln2020 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 ...out of the frying pan and into the fire... not a good idea! Link to post Share on other sites
Poutrew Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't know why you or anyone else would ever want to do something like this, truly. The time and energy and finance that you would have invest in something like this is incredible and ultimately wasteful. You would travel thousands of miles to meet someone for an internet date in a coffee shop in Timbuktu, and then what? Expect that this person is The One? I guess that happens. I think I am going to try dating women from the planet Mars. I've heard Martian women have two of everything... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't know why you or anyone else would ever want to do something like this, truly. The time and energy and finance that you would have invest in something like this is incredible and ultimately wasteful. You would travel thousands of miles to meet someone for an internet date in a coffee shop in Timbuktu, and then what? Expect that this person is The One? I guess that happens. I have known one other person who has done that, not internationally but nationally in America. She would fly all across America for a weekend to meet someone she met on Match or the like (none, I would like to add, seemed to come to see her when she was living in her hometown). Whatever happened happened with that person for that weekend, but they would either do one of two things: She would never hear from that person every again, or the man would tell her that he wasn't sure how he felt about the situation once the weekend was over and then never hear from him again. I thought she was wasting her time or she wasn't living the the real world. I later realized that she was looking to move away from our home state (Ohio) and was hoping the man she would meet would help her get established somewhere else, but she wasn't a blatant user like some others I had known in said situations. Not that I am accusing you of this, but consider. Well people always say there are 7 billion people in the world so you have plenty of options. Well I'm taking that to heart. This girl I'm talking to who is overseas we both seem interested in each other so it could be worthwhile of testing this out. To me I feel this is a great chance for me to actually go out on a date. Link to post Share on other sites
ExpatInItaly Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 You have made some pretty sweeping generalizations about women in a few countries, OP. Have you actually traveled to any of these places before? Or are you basing your opinions entirely on hearsay? I think you need to do a little more research before you attempt this. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author logan415 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 You have made some pretty sweeping generalizations about women in a few countries, OP. Have you actually traveled to any of these places before? Or are you basing your opinions entirely on hearsay? I think you need to do a little more research before you attempt this. Actually I joined RWD forum and talked to men who visit Eastern Europe several times. They told me all aspects both negative and positive sides. One is married to a Russian woman for 5 years and said still going good. But during his stay in Russia he said he does feel women are much approachable there than here in the USA. He said you don't get that look like don't bother or what the heck you want. Don't have to worry about being a creepy. He mention you can start chatting up with a lady at a bus stop and won't be thought as a creep and mentioned can't do that in the USA as woman here would labe you as a weirdo. He said I should definitely visit Eastern Europe. Link to post Share on other sites
Versacehottie Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The sweeping generalizations aren't helping you, my friend. SF is a great dating city. You need to remove whatever bias you have about the girls there and your chances and just try. Being a cynic is not attractive. Most importantly, it only takes one "right" one. In all honesty, you could date internationally BUT you sound like you would be more susceptible to a scam than most. Whether it's formal or happens completely organically, that is something you'd have to worry about, I'm afraid. That's one thing you won't really have to worry about much in SF/the US. I think it's not the best plan to find a gf to go internationally. If you are not having SOME sort of traction in a city as great, diversified and OPEN as SF, you may want to look inward and re-evaluate your approach. SF is great for dating. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a city that is better. Good luck 4 Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Yeah, I've been on RWD since essentially when it began and was on the St. John's University e-mail list that preceded it since the mid-90's when I was going to FSU/CIS regularly. Things might have changed but your ethnicity, back then, would have been a major hurdle with women, and especially women in your age group. Typically though, men tend to date younger women in those experiences and younger women are more likely to have not received the old racial messages from the times of Communism. IMO, pick a spot you like, rent an apartment for a month, and immerse. You'll know nearly right away if the 'feel' is right, meaning the culture speaks to you. I'm ethnic Russian so felt at home right away even if the language was still pretty alien to me. Comparatively, South America could be an interesting alternative, IMO one worth looking into. However, IME, of course again not recently, I got hit with some scams from, mostly, Brazil, and that kind of turned me off to going there. However, that was before I became experienced with the then-new internet and internet scams. Now it wouldn't be a problem. IMO, make a decision and shove off. Most women I've known and loved, especially from the foreign countries I dated in, like a man who is decisive and puts shoes on the ground in their country to meet them. Dawdlers and keyboard romeos are dispatched with prejudice. The women hate that kind of behavior. Good luck! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CryForNoOne Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 What is RWD? Link to post Share on other sites
GunslingerRoland Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 So wait, you are considering moving to a place like the Philippines or Eastern Europe from San Francisco if you meet the right woman? lol I can imagine how disappointed the women from those places would be if instead of you moving them to America you moved there. People move from second/third world countries... not to them! Also I think you're misjudging how you'll be viewed in Eastern Europe, they are a lot more prejudiced than Americans in general. While you may think you'll look exotic to them, don't be surprised if you get a lot of hate. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
NewLeaf512 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Not all of them are bad. Moscow is in Eastern Europe and they are quite wealthy. Also if I did find someone there I would move to their country. So I don't have to worry about green card issues. I also heard UK women are horrible and France are not good either. French women would never touch a brown skin person. Trust me women in the US can use men for money which is just as bad. You got gold diggers everywhere. It makes no difference. I find this to be perplexing information. I myself have been to SF at least 50 times in the past 10 years and from SF to SJ (the Bay Area) has one of the highest concentrations of highly skilled workers (tech) of "brown" people than nearly anywhere else in America, not just American born but Silicon Valley has the highest concentrations of people on H1-B visas from India over any other place in America. Are you saying there are no brown people there? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
NewLeaf512 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my bum I consulted the US census List of U.S. states by population of Asian Indians State Asian Indian population (2010 Census) % of state's population (2010 Census) California 528,176 California is #1 with circa 300,000 more Asian/Indians than any other state, with the larger concentration from San Francisco to San Jose. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
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