Wish me luck [updated from 'not sure what's going on']

[heartwhole]

I think it's good that you are changing how you respond in this cycle. But I think it's not good that you are still participating at all. You're still saying, "The door is wide open if you can x, y, and z . . . " You need to slam the door shut and let him figure out how to find his way back and knock and ask re-entry the right way. You're still doing 99% and saying, "Here, honey, please just do this 1% and then everything will be OK." He can't do the bare minimum to even be a candidate for reconciliation. You've set the bar slightly higher, but you're pretty much still playing the same game.

 

Anyway, practically speaking, I guess you've got this September 1 date looming. Chances are he will move in with her on that date and begin the ping-ponging again, but this time his loveshack with her will have a shower and be much nicer so he'll probably be less inclined to "miss" home. If you're still willing to keep the door open now, I hope you'll at least slam it shut if that's what happens.

 

Alie, I do think you're making progress. You went from thinking you had to keep up appearances at the cabin weekend to realizing that was ridiculous. You could have welcomed him back last night and convinced yourself this time it's really different. But I still think your hope for this situation far exceeds the practical reality, and you are still participating in an unhealthy dynamic. I hope you'll start setting some firm deadlines for when you will exit the vicious cycle.

[aileD]

I know it's weird because technically he is "living" with her now, but yes there is something about that sept 1 date that seems final for me.

 

Why I can't see that now, dont know. But somewhere in my brain and heart knows that if he stays one night in that apartment, it's over. Maybe that makes it real to my heart or whatever.

[S2B]

Thank you.

 

Yes, he is weak and he needs to find the strength to end things right so that its final. This morning he said he needed help, he needed a ride. I went and picked him up. (Something I don't want to mention here made it a situation that I couldn't just leave him there).

 

It was at one of the places she goes to work (home health stuff?). He was down the street when I asked what was going on, he said he had tried to talk to her last night and it didn't go well, she was pissed at him for spending the day here yesterday and he had told her he was just going to sit in his truck and think while she went to work, she convinced him to go to her appointments with her and just sit and think in her car.

 

he again, runs. Left her car while she WS in an appt and I got him (found this out after). Dropped him off to get his truck, she was texting and calling him the entire time, turns out she got to where he parks his truck five minutes after we left.

 

I asked him if he had any of her stuf. He said yes. That in the past has been an excuse to reconnect. I asked him what his intent was because he just ran again. said again we want him home, but he needs to deal with her first. He can't just disappear on her without making it clear its over, he's going back to family and please don't contact him, and here Is your stuff.

 

I also was worried about her showing up at the house so I wouldn't let him come here. We parted ways and that's what's going on. He's got to deal with her like a man instead of just running away.

 

And **** her for getting pissed at him spending the day with his children. You have no idea how much my son NEEDED that day.

 

 

And he KNOWS that is what he needs to do - but he's not doing it!

 

Yet YOu run to pick him up...

 

This will stop when YOU stop participating. Just stop seeing him - stop taking ANY of his calls.

 

Just stop! Let him do what he's gonna do.

 

He ISN'T acting married to you so consider that it IS OVER.

[Cloudcuckoo]

You don't seem to really want advice...you're going to what you want & it's your business BUT next time he does it (which he will bc why wouldn't he, he knows you'll take him back) you'll know you're very much part of you're own misery. You know what your H is about & no more prentending

 

You're both being horrible examples to your kids...all your kids are seeing, is worth is based on wether or not you can keep a unhealthy marriage...I feel sorry for them that they're stuck in a situation with two parents that need a tremendous amount of IC...you both need to fix yourselves as individuals before your marriage ever had a prayer...may god be with your kids.

 

That's a stretch too far, and beyond the pale....

 

No need for blunt and unnecessary assumptions or rudeness. The woman is looking for support, not chastisement...none of us is perfect and Ive certainly seen and heard a thousand times more revolting behaviour, but giving her a cyber slap in the face is not the way to do it.

 

She's well aware that she's as weak as her husband is I'm sure.

[heartwhole]

I know it's weird because technically he is "living" with her now, but yes there is something about that sept 1 date that seems final for me.

 

Why I can't see that now, dont know. But somewhere in my brain and heart knows that if he stays one night in that apartment, it's over. Maybe that makes it real to my heart or whatever.

 

In the grand scheme of things, a few more weeks to slide into the pool slowly rather than diving in aren't a huge deal. Just make sure you are continuing to put yourself first, read your Chump Lady or whatever you need to get angry and get motivated, and start preparing for the worst (i.e. him moving in with her Sept 1 with lots of excuses and tossing the occasional crumb your way). For your own sake, please stop hoping for the best.

 

The truth is that his relationship with her is a just a symptom of his issues. Eventually she will meet someone better or grow up and the relationship will end. He'll probably even come back. But I don't think taking him back teaches your children anything good.

 

When I found out about my husband's EA, I was trying to hold on and believe in us and blah blah blah. When I found out it was really a PA, my self-respect kicked in. I don't work, I have a chronic illness, but who cares. I wasn't going to chase some man who was chasing someone else, even if that man was my husband of 10 years and the father of my children. I set him free to go be with her. I thought they deserved each other, and he certainly didn't deserve me. Here was the "blessing" he'd been hoping for, she'd been praying for, but his eyes widened in horror. The bubble burst. He wanted it when he couldn't have it. He didn't want it when he could.

 

I really couldn't do it. I couldn't accept being disrespected like that. I am a quality person, smart, sexy, strong. I know I could find a worthy man. I wasn't just calling his bluff -- I was drawing a line in the sand. I was daring him to cross it. If he did, we were done. I hope you can take the next few weeks to draw yours.

 

My children are very young and he never left us. If you can't be strong for yourself, please be strong for your children who are dealing with this awful situation just as much as you are, but without years of perspective and experience and maturity to help them. Their father is a withered branch in their family tree right now, so all the strength must come from you. You've got to stop begging him to be strong again and start being strong yourself.

 

Good luck Alie. I know you have it in you.

[S2B]

Let's say your sister had this situation... Would you suggest she keep leading her husband around by the nose while he disrespected her?

 

Your H hasn't ended it with his OW because he doesn't intend to.

[OneLov]

I know it's weird because technically he is "living" with her now, but yes there is something about that sept 1 date that seems final for me.

 

Why I can't see that now, dont know. But somewhere in my brain and heart knows that if he stays one night in that apartment, it's over. Maybe that makes it real to my heart or whatever.

 

Becareful you're not kicking the can and using that arbitrary date as a means to buy yourself more time to act. IMO, there's no time like now. She's an adult, and he's not a white knight. She doesn't need a bodyguard. If life on her own gets so terrible, she can move home. Simply put, her safety is a red herring; it's not his problem.

[Whoknew30]

That's a stretch too far, and beyond the pale....

 

No need for blunt and unnecessary assumptions or rudeness. The woman is looking for support, not chastisement...none of us is perfect and Ive certainly seen and heard a thousand times more revolting behaviour, but giving her a cyber slap in the face is not the way to do it.

 

She's well aware that she's as weak as her husband is I'm sure.

 

It's the truth...get me once "shame on you"...get me again "shame on me".

 

First time completely just "happend to her" this time she's being a willing participant & from what she's says this time worse bc he's barely seeing their kids...what happens next time?

 

He's left her twice & she's making him breakfast. It's enabling & not just his bad treatment of her but the kids too. If we kiss dad's butt every time he leaves for another woman,he may come back...a mother's weakness should be put away to protect her kids.

 

She should file for divorce (don't have to completely go through with it) & have him mentally evaluated by the court to see if they think he's stable enough to be around the kids. Could be a way to get him the help from his being so screwed up from childhood abuse. Then at least she'd k ow the truth...is he mentally messed up or just a cold hearted jerk. It's better than how's she's handling it. They all need help & therapy wouldn't hurt the kids either at this point I'm sure either.

[aileD]

I didn't make him breakfast.

 

WE made breakfast TOGETHER for OUR FAMILY.

 

My kids NEEDED THAT.

 

Therapy is in the world for everyone, I don't have insurance right now but WS is working on getting free from archdiocese for EVERYONE.

 

He has not been a terrible father towards the kids thru this entire ordeal, just the last month or so when he left. I don't excuse that, his excuse is that he has to focus on this and work it out so he can make a decision. I don't buy that either as far as the kids are concerned because you can still always see your kids. I get that. No excuse for that.

 

He's alone today. Taking it hour by hour. I'm dealing with a family medical crisis for my cousin so that's keeping my mind off of things.

[Red123]

You don't seem to really want advice...you're going to what you want & it's your business BUT next time he does it (which he will bc why wouldn't he, he knows you'll take him back) you'll know you're very much part of you're own misery. You know what your H is about & no more prentending

 

You're both being horrible examples to your kids...all your kids are seeing, is worth is based on wether or not you can keep a unhealthy marriage...I feel sorry for them that they're stuck in a situation with two parents that need a tremendous amount of IC...you both need to fix yourselves as individuals before your marriage ever had a prayer...may god be with your kids.

 

So many assumptions in this post. The op comes here for support, this is unnecessary. Her kids are teens and I don't get how having breakfast and spending some time with their dad is such a horrible example. I don't think you need to pray for her children, there is nothing in her posts that say she isn't taking care of them. I'm not sure why you chose to throw stones about her parenting, are you perfect? And do you always set a perfect example for your children? I know I am not, I do my best and I am sure I make mistakes. During your affair or your husbands were you both perfect examples to the kids? I doubt it, so maybe remember no one is perfect all of time.

[Mr. Lucky]

I know it's weird because technically he is "living" with her now, but yes there is something about that sept 1 date that seems final for me.

 

Why I can't see that now, dont know. But somewhere in my brain and heart knows that if he stays one night in that apartment, it's over. Maybe that makes it real to my heart or whatever.

 

Have you told him this? Not sure why it's different than living together in a car but if that's your line in the sand he should know.

 

Also would recommend you consider having him live somewhere other than with you for a while. And if that situation sends him back to her, pretty telling piece of information.

 

I don't care about her closure, I don't need her permission to resume my marriage, she can go **** herself for all I care.

 

Hey it would be great if he just stopped talking to her and ran back to me. But that doesn't work because he's RUNNING instead of DEALING. And running makes people chase you. She chases. He needs to end it and she needs to know its ended that's just the way it is.

 

If he were NC with her, which is the only way any reconciliation will succeed, her reaction to ANYTHING - closure, where he spends his time, etc. - would drop easily into the "don't know, don't care" file...

 

Mr. Lucky

[Cloudcuckoo]

It's the truth...get me once "shame on you"...get me again "shame on me".

 

First time completely just "happend to her" this time she's being a willing participant & from what she's says this time worse bc he's barely seeing their kids...what happens next time?

 

He's left her twice & she's making him breakfast. It's enabling & not just his bad treatment of her but the kids too. If we kiss dad's butt every time he leaves for another woman,he may come back...a mother's weakness should be put away to protect her kids.

 

She should file for divorce (don't have to completely go through with it) & have him mentally evaluated by the court to see if they think he's stable enough to be around the kids. Could be a way to get him the help from his being so screwed up from childhood abuse. Then at least she'd k ow the truth...is he mentally messed up or just a cold hearted jerk. It's better than how's she's handling it. They all need help & therapy wouldn't hurt the kids either at this point I'm sure either.

 

The truth according to whom??....

 

As for therapy...

[aileD]

Have you told him this? Not sure why it's different than living together in a car but if that's your line in the sand he should know.

 

Also would recommend you consider having him live somewhere other than with you for a while. And if that situation sends him back to her, pretty telling piece of information.

 

No I haven't told him this. I don't want it to get in his head that he'll just wait til then to start thinking about things.

If he were NC with her, which is the only way any reconciliation will succeed, her reaction to ANYTHING - closure, where he spends his time, etc. - would drop easily into the "don't know, don't care" file...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Agree with living somewhere else, we do have a downstairs apartment that is free.

 

 

If he were NC with her, which is the only way any reconciliation will succeed, her reaction to ANYTHING - closure, where he spends his time, etc. - would drop easily into the "don't know, don't care" file...

 

Yes, that's the hard thing. I feel...and history tells me...that when he takes the coward way out of breaking up with her (email, leaving in the middle of the night, going to work with her then sneaking out and having me come get him), NC doesn't stay. Most of this is because he is weak. Yes, we know this, it's already been established. The other part of it is that she is relentless in wanting answers. Even just today she called him at least 40 times in the 20 mins we were in the car together. She demands to see him and doesn't give up until she does, she'll show up at his work, she's threatened to come INTO his work if he didn't meet her, etc etc etc. All because he just can't freaking look her in the eye and end it face to face. Sure he could get a restraining order, but how often does that happen? He already feels like he's ruined her life enough. He's not going to make it worse for her. I would love to say who gives a F, but...he does. So I understand what youre saying and youre completely right, and it does seem like he is closer to getting there. I"m not making excuses for him, I'm just telling you whats going on.

 

 

I hesitate in using the "file for divorce, show him you're serious with papers but you don't really have to divorce" strategy on a person who has been abandoned his entire life. By his mother, by his father, by his stepmother, by his church, by the people that were supposed to take care of him...etc.

 

A normal man will think "oh damn, she's serious! I better stop this nonsense and get back before I ruin my life".

 

My husband doesn't think like that. He thinks "another person wants to leave me, everyone leaves me, I'm destined to be alone in this life, no one loves me anyway, I might as well just disappear"

 

yeah, sad him. poor baby right? well yeah.. poor him. But he's got a screwed up history and has been stuck in victim cycle since he was 5 years old.

 

Sure I can leave him alone but I'm his wife. We've been together forever. You get through stuff with people you love. I can clearly see a relation to his past in EVERYTHING that we've gone through. He is finally going to counseling, I don't believe I should leave in the middle of a crisis just because my feelings are getting hurt.

 

If that makes me a ****ty person,then so be it.

Edited August 14, 2016 by aileD

[Mr. Lucky]

Sure I can leave him alone but I'm his wife. We've been together forever. You get through stuff with people you love. I can clearly see a relation to his past in EVERYTHING that we've gone through. He is finally going to counseling, I don't believe I should leave in the middle of a crisis just because my feelings are getting hurt.

 

If that makes me a ****ty person,then so be it.

 

Just the opposite, makes you a good person. But...

 

There are a lot of analogies in your situation to being the parent or spouse of an addict. And, as an addict indulges in self-destructive behavior, loved ones come to understand their role as enablers and co-dependents and realize they don't help by going down with the ship.

 

You see the OM as the disease, she's really just the symptom. What happens if having him walk back in the door isn't the cure ???

 

Mr. Lucky

[aileD]

You see the OM as the disease, she's really just the symptom. What happens if having him walk back in the door isn't the cure ???

 

Actually, no...I do see her as a symptom. he wouldn't have done this with her, even if she was a disease if he was healthy. I know she's not to entirely blame and his responsiblity it to me...etc etc. She's just a persistent nuisance making the whole process longer.

 

He doesn't get to walk back in the door and do nothing, he's got to go to therapy and stay away from her and do marriage counseling.

 

I see the enabling I do, I'm working on that. It'd difficult because I never know what the RIGHT thing to do is. It's never easy. And please don't tell me the RIGHT thing to do is serve him papers and walk away.

[Whoknew30]

So many assumptions in this post. The op comes here for support, this is unnecessary. Her kids are teens and I don't get how having breakfast and spending some time with their dad is such a horrible example. I don't think you need to pray for her children, there is nothing in her posts that say she isn't taking care of them. I'm not sure why you chose to throw stones about her parenting, are you perfect? And do you always set a perfect example for your children? I know I am not, I do my best and I am sure I make mistakes. During your affair or your husbands were you both perfect examples to the kids? I doubt it, so maybe remember no one is perfect all of time.

 

The reason for my post is bc she was on another thread putting a 100% blame on her H about their family. Saying how awful he is being & then "he isn't that bad". As for my kids (boy or girl) darn right I'll never teach them their value is based on anyone else but themselves, this particular situation goes beyond just her as a BS...she's allowing him to do to their kids what she allows him to do to her. It's fine for a BS to enable behavior like that to themselves but not kids...it's just not ok.

 

During my H & I our problems...my daughter was never 2nd to either of us & that's coming from her own words. Having an A & being a crappy parent aren't the same. If my H would have stopped seeing our daughter...that's all I'd have to see to know what kind of person he really is...not defend him & try to bring him back after he treated my kids that way...let me ask, would you get back with your spouse that wouldn't see your kids for awhile?

 

There is no prefect & there also all the way in left field. That's this situation.

[Whoknew30]

The truth according to whom??....

 

As for therapy...

 

Logical truth...someone keeps leaving you, you keep taking them back with no consequence...logically what do you think comes next?

[understand50]

Actually, no...I do see her as a symptom. he wouldn't have done this with her, even if she was a disease if he was healthy. I know she's not to entirely blame and his responsiblity it to me...etc etc. She's just a persistent nuisance making the whole process longer.

 

He doesn't get to walk back in the door and do nothing, he's got to go to therapy and stay away from her and do marriage counseling.

 

I see the enabling I do, I'm working on that. It'd difficult because I never know what the RIGHT thing to do is. It's never easy. And please don't tell me the RIGHT thing to do is serve him papers and walk away.

 

AileD,

 

Again, your path is what you decide. Remember, reading all sides will help in formatting your decision. Your husband is acting really badly and weakly, many would just kick him to the curb. I respect that you are not doing that, and I think your strategy is the right one. You must see things in him that you can not describe in writing. In any case, he is one lucky man, to have you.

 

This will be hit or miss. There is no set path for doing what you are trying. Hopefully, he is seeing the "light" and will come to see just what he is messing up. Hang in there.

 

As always I wish you luck.....

[dreamingoftigers]

He works, I don't. He hasn't taken any money away. He lives off approx $120 per month and the rest goes to the family.

 

I don't think he's as heartless as you all think. Yes he's confused. Yes he does have narcissistic qualities. He had some trauma in his childhood so I can see that has greatly affected him . I married sickness and health and saw this is a sickness

 

AlleD, I have to point something out that really shifted my thinking in my own separation last year.

 

There was no OW, but he had a drinking problem and he went off the rails for awhile (months) until he realized he was 110% losing us. I was actually going to file the day that he called me telling me he went to get treatment. (I am not sure if he knows that or not).

 

Yes. It may be a sickness. It may be a disorder. It might be whatever you want to label it.

 

One of the hardest things I had to learn and watch was that I had to respect my husband's choices, even if they were totally messed-up destructive choices. He is an adult that gets to choose his life and relationships. The other side of that coin is that he doesn't get to choose the consequences of that. And your husband deserves every consequence coming his way. Don't try to shield him from that. My mother did that for over 30 years and my father did nothing but get away with as much as he could.

 

She saw him as a "hurt kid with this screwed-up childhood."

But the bigger issue was that she defended / protected / tried to reason with him / be extra nice to him while he was screwing up MY childhood.

 

When my husband started acting like my father, at first I tried "niceing" him too. Things got much worse. Finally, I just let him go.

 

Because I had to realize that my husband was no longer a "hurt kid with a bad childhood." He HAD BEEN a hurt kid. But now he was a dysfunctional adult who was HURTING MY KID by not being a functional father.

 

So, I refused to put up with that garbage anymore. I straight-up told him he could do whatever he wanted, but that the consequences of his actions were 100% on him and I wouldn't budge one inch on that, and he damn well tested me too. Addicts always do.

 

In your case, your husband is a certifiable idiot. A complete and total short-sighted idiot who was given a second chance and he pissed all over it. Now his children get to watch their idiot father live in a van with a 20 year-old.

 

Yes, he was a hurt kid. Yes, he clearly isn't all that bright. But that's the "adult" he had become. And as a Mom, you need to let him go and serve his arse papers because you have a much bigger problem coming up: your kids seeing you role-model that any of this is okay, and to offer leniency to the certifiable idiot.

 

It shows your kids that if they get involved with a certifiable idiot, that you be extra nice to them, take their crap and try to save them from themselves. Terrible lessons for kids.

 

It is heart-wrenching to leave behind someone you love. But in this case you are NOT leaving him behind. He left you behind. HE SCREWED YOU OVER BIGTIME. I don't care what money he gives you, he's abusing you bigtime and acting like it is YOUR fault.

 

He isn't treating you as his wife. He is treating you like your house is a flop house until he can date around and find the next girl with the magical vagina who will "save him" from his own stupidity. He will do this again and again if you let him. Because he's an idiot.

 

It's not because "you nag him" or "you gained weight" or "you aged" or "your marriage was bad" or "he's stressed." It's because he is a complete, total idiot when it comes to his marital responsibilities.

 

And it is one thing to say "he isn't heartless."

 

Maybe not. Maybe he's an total idiot with the biggest heart in the world who can't keep his pants zipped to save his life.

 

However, one thing he isn't is respectful. He does not RESPECT you, your children or even the dumb chick in the van with him.

 

If he respected you, he would stop whinging and invest in the marriage, be completely remorseful and do whatever it took to repair things. OR he would at the very least divorce you reasonably. If he respected your children he wouldn't put you through anything remotely close to this. If he respected his "van girlfriend" he would not have gotten involved with her until he was divorced or at least separated. And he would have prepared his children emotionally for this nuclear bomb he's blown up in their lives.

 

I believe most dysfunction comes from a lack of respect. He is a disrespectful man and for that he deserves to be fired from this marriage (and a cannon).

[OneLov]

 

 

 

I"m not making excuses for him, I'm just telling you whats going on.

 

 

A normal man will think "oh damn, she's serious! I better stop this nonsense and get back before I ruin my life".

 

My husband doesn't think like that. He thinks "another person wants to leave me, everyone leaves me, I'm destined to be alone in this life, no one loves me anyway, I might as well just disappear"

 

yeah, sad him. poor baby right? well yeah.. poor him. But he's got a screwed up history and has been stuck in victim cycle since he was 5 years old.

 

Sure I can leave him alone but I'm his wife. We've been together forever. You get through stuff with people you love. ..... I don't believe I should leave in the middle of a crisis just because my feelings are getting hurt.

 

If that makes me a ****ty person,then so be it.

 

But you ARE making excuses for him. This is co-dependent thinking at best, and at worst, martyrdom. He's not a little child; he doesn't need you to save him from himself. I know it's difficult, but you have to unshackle yourself from him if you ever want to see his true intent. If you keep making excuses for him, he'll just crawl back into his shell.

[Mr. Lucky]

And please don't tell me the RIGHT thing to do is serve him papers and walk away.

 

I'll just say this - since he's been involved with the OW, you've left the door open and the porch light on for him.

 

How has that worked for you ???

 

Even if (and perhaps especially if) you goal is to stay in the marriage, you need to change tactics and make him see what he stands to lose. Right now he's got a hall pass, step one would be revoking that immediately...

 

Mr. Lucky

[aileD]

Trying to have strength

 

We didn't talk or text at all Today. Not once.

 

I'm sad about that. I know he talked to my son and his sister but not me.

 

After him being here Friday and the picking him up incident on Saturday, I am so confused about everything.

 

I'm just sad today.

[OneLov]

Trying to have strength

 

We didn't talk or text at all Today. Not once.

 

I'm sad about that. I know he talked to my son and his sister but not me.

 

After him being here Friday and the picking him up incident on Saturday, I am so confused about everything.

 

I'm just sad today.

 

I'm sorry you're hurting. I wish I could say something that would actually help with that. I can't; it sucks. Hang in there.

[ShatteredLady]

"I'm just sad today.".

 

((((Hugs))))

 

I'm so very, very sorry. I have times when I just can't....just can't even think anymore & I'm just profoundly, terminally sad.

 

I just wish that he hadn't done it. I wish he hadn't done it to ME, or US or our lovely little family. I wish he hadn't done it to HIM.

 

He says that at the time he didn't think. He was like a giant insect that just reacted to things. He was desperately depressed, so bloody guilty that he became this complete stranger, trying to justify why he was screwing our whole lives up.

[aileD]

Thanks ladies. Yes the sadness sucks.

 

I did break down and send him a message thru Facebook which he won't get until tomorrow. But only to share something about our daughter.

 

Our daughter is almost 16. She's strong willed, doesn't show emotion much, and hard headed and opinionated and holds grudges and all that fun teen stuff. She had a rocky relationship with her dad before this because they are both so much alike that they clashed a lot.

 

This just made her act like she hates him. Recently asked if we could sell his stuff to make more room in the house, asked if we could get a dog now that he's gone, she doesn't answer his texts and doesn't interact much with him in the few occasions he's been here.

 

It's hard to get thru to her I know she is hurting but she won't talk to me.

 

She's been sad for a couple weeks and I thought maybe she got dumped bla bla

 

Tonight she asked to sleep in my bed. That's odd. Of course I said yes. I had a pic of her dad on his pillow and when I came in it was gone. I figured she threw it or ripped it up of something. I asked her if she'd see seen it.

 

She pulled it out from inside her pillowcase

 

She misses him she just won't say it. This is why I'm fighting to save our marriage.

 

Anyway I just wrote him a message telling him that story

Edited August 15, 2016 by aileD
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