Have u ever felt the Holy Spirit?

[Dlucio1]

I went to a church and all of a sudden ppl were acting weird shaking and falling down? They told me it was the Holy Spirit. Half of the people were feeling it. Has anyone ever encountered that before?

[Taramere]

I went to a church and all of a sudden ppl were acting weird shaking and falling down? They told me it was the Holy Spirit. Half of the people were feeling it. Has anyone ever encountered that before?

 

More like a bit of liquid spirit, from the sound of things.

[central]

This is pretty common mass hysteria/mass delusion.

 

 

Psychosomatic specialists have come up with additional physiological explanations for some of the symptoms of mass hysteria outbreaks. When people get excited and scared, they may hyperventilate or start breathing too quickly; thus, exhaling too much carbon dioxide. Low carbon dioxide levels in the body cause muscles in the extremities to spasm, which can explain the numbness, tingling and muscle twitching that some victims experience. If the carbon dioxide depletion is treated by simply breathing into a paper bag, the symptoms rapidly disappear.

 

In a heightened state of anxiety, victims often notice and misinterpret normal physical sensations.

[GorillaTheater]

Did they start handling snakes? That would make it interesting.

[OneLov]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jh0r7C63_J0

 

Anyone delivered? I look at it like its all good unless a group takes advantage of someone's pain by giving them false hope and humiliating them in front of an entire congregation. That's evil.

[Dlucio1]

Oh maybe thats what happened?

[BetheButterfly]

I went to a church and all of a sudden ppl were acting weird shaking and falling down? They told me it was the Holy Spirit. Half of the people were feeling it. Has anyone ever encountered that before?

 

I feel the Holy Spirit, but I don't shake and fall down. That sounds like mass hysteria, which is not sign of the Holy Spirit nor what the Holy Spirit does to people.

 

The Holy Spirit helps other people and me with the following:

 

The Holy Spirit

 

• Helps people tell other people about Jesus (Acts 2)
  

 

• Helps people obey Jesus Christ (see John chapters 14-16)
  

 

• Helps people grow the Fruit of the Spirit: Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law" (NIV)
  

 

• Helps people not fall into temptation: Galatians 5:16
  So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (NIV)
  

[Justanaverageguy]

Depends on the school of thought you come from when describing this.

 

The shaking phenomenon is something that's commonly associated with Kundalini yoga in eastern spiritual traditions. This style of yoga describes methods to awaken Kundalini energy - which would equate to the equivalent of the holy spirit in the Western Christian teachings. Other spiritual schools might call it Qi, Ki, Chi or Prana. You had similar ideas in the Christian tradition and this was specifically emphasized by the "Quakers" or "Shakers"

 

In kundalini the tremors are called Kundalini tremors or Kundalini kriyas. I've experienced this and there are specific Yoga Asana's (postural movements) which bring on the phenomenon. Typically the first time you experience this you will experience a large increase in the Kundalini Energy flowing through your body which can result in heightened states of awareness, ecstatic bliss, visions etc etc. What Christians call being touched by the holy spirit.

 

If your interested in seeing what the phenomenon looks like there is currently a healing practitioner who is using the Kundalini Tremor method in a western medical setting and having pretty astounding results. Has had great documented medical success healing serious medical issues including spinal injuries. Currently working with the Australian institute of sport with elite athletes and has research grants with the australian government to do further investigation.

 

This is what the "tremor" looks like. You might notice it looks a little like an exorcism. The Yoga method to bring it on can make it look quite extreme at first thus all the bizarre stories about what "excorcisms" looked like in the past.

 

 

Here are some of the documented medical successes from treatment with this method.

- Paralysed man walks after 25 years

- 60 mins special on the above case

- elite athletes

https://vimeo.com/user20254671/videos - collection of client videos with experiences and results from the "tremor".

Edited October 24, 2016 by Justanaverageguy

[aurelius99]

A note to everyone:

 

Just be careful with this subject because the Bible says there is a sin called "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". It's the only unforgivable sin, according to Jesus. What it means is to attribute to the Holy Spirit what is actually from Saran and, vice versa, to attribute to Satan what is actually the Holy Spirit. It means to not heed the spirits voice. Since the spirit is the ONLY method we have to be saved, it follows that we will be permanently lost if we ignore it or confuse it.

 

That being said, the holt spirit has the following roles, according to scripture:

 

1) To convict us of sin.

2) To warn us of the coming judgement.

3) To teach us all truth.

4) To comfort us.

[Satu]

I doubt that you'd find a Christian in a church.

 

 

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:5.

 

"But thou, when thou prays, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which teacheth in secret shall reward thee openly."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:6.

[aurelius99]

I doubt that you'd find a Christian in a church.

 

 

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:5.

 

"But thou, when thou prays, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which teacheth in secret shall reward thee openly."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:6.

 

True disciples are found both within the church and outside the church. You'll find hypocrites and wolves in both places as well. Attending a church and praying does not equate to hypocrisy--rather, seeking the attention of man in these things equates to hypocrisy. I think you misunderstand the passage.

[Justanaverageguy]

A note to everyone:

 

Just be careful with this subject because the Bible says there is a sin called "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". It's the only unforgivable sin, according to Jesus. What it means is to attribute to the Holy Spirit what is actually from Saran and, vice versa, to attribute to Satan what is actually the Holy Spirit. It means to not heed the spirits voice. Since the spirit is the ONLY method we have to be saved, it follows that we will be permanently lost if we ignore it or confuse it.

 

I don't ascribe to any specific religion - but I consider myself to be spiritual. I feel that pretty much all the different schools are essentially teaching the same thing just in different forms. I feel its unfortunate that anything that crosses outside our own personal teachings is instinctively considered "evil" or "satanic". I think with most things in life - a practice or process is more about how you personally use it - then the practice itself. EG: Like you mentioned above if going to church is just a way to make you feel morally superior or for appearances sake only - the practice is bankrupt. If it is simply a time for you to reflect, give thanks for what you have and maybe to connect with a higher power - its obviously beneficial.

 

The scriptures and books can provide us some guidance - but reading too much into them can also be a trap and get us caught up in things that don't matter. Living a good life is relatively simple. It doesn't really require lots of analysis its just difficult to actually do. Be a good person, treat people well, be tolerent and caring, do good deeds. That's pretty much all Jesus really taught. So if you're christian these are the primary ideals you should see as important.

 

If a practice or process is beneficial for people and provides healing or allows them to become better people. Whats the harm ? Why do we judge just because we personally don't understand it ?

Edited October 27, 2016 by Justanaverageguy

[aurelius99]

Living a good life is relatively simple. It doesn't really require lots of analysis its just difficult to actually do. Be a good person, treat people well, be tolerent and caring, do good deeds. That's pretty much all Jesus really taught. So if you're christian these are the primary ideals you should see as important.

 

Have you read the New Testament? I'm reading your post here and wondering where you're getting this info from.

 

What Jesus taught could not be any farther from this. He taught that nobody is good--not even one. He taught that living a "good" life is impossible. One must repent of their love for this world and rely completely on the assistance of the Holy Spirit in order to please God, otherwise it's impossible. He taught that believing your "good deeds" will save you is nothing but pride and that nothing but unmerited grace is what makes you right with God.

 

If Jesus were a "nice guy" who just talked about tolerance and being good, he would not have been killed. The majority of people hated him. He exposed the truth about human nature and it was not well received. But to those who did receive his message (the truth), the result was eternal life.

 

With all due respect, your rendition of Jesus is more akin to the hippie, buddy Jesus taught in 90% of churches today. It does not line up with scripture.

[Herbalist]

A note to everyone:

 

Just be careful with this subject because the Bible says there is a sin called "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". It's the only unforgivable sin, according to Jesus. What it means is to attribute to the Holy Spirit what is actually from Saran and, vice versa, to attribute to Satan what is actually the Holy Spirit. It means to not heed the spirits voice. Since the spirit is the ONLY method we have to be saved, it follows that we will be permanently lost if we ignore it or confuse it.

 

That being said, the holt spirit has the following roles, according to scripture:

 

1) To convict us of sin.

2) To warn us of the coming judgement.

3) To teach us all truth.

4) To comfort us.

 

Nah, it's not if you ignore it or confuse it. It's a more deliberate thing than that.

 

If you're afraid that you might accidentally commit because you get confused (or something along those lines) then have yourself a quick read:

 

Debunking Misunderstandings of the Unpardonable Sin ? Charisma News

[BetheButterfly]

I doubt that you'd find a Christian in a church.

 

 

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:5.

 

"But thou, when thou prays, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which teacheth in secret shall reward thee openly."

 

King James Version, Matthew 6:6.

 

Jesus' command does not mean to refuse meeting together with other believers and praying together in a private or public place. For example, Jesus Christ asked His disciples to "watch and pray" in Gethsemane.

 

He didn't ask them that though for them to put on a show, but rather for them to watch and pray. Jesus Himself prayed in a public place, not in a closet, when He asked the Father to take this cup from Him. Was Jesus breaking His own command? I don't think so.

 

I think it's important to understand that Jesus was making the point not to pray for people to see you. His command does not mean that one can only pray in one's closet. Interestingly, Jesus often chose outside for solitary prayer.

 

"Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed." - Mark 1:35 (NIV)

 

"After leaving them, he went up on a mountainside to pray." - Mark 6:46 (NIV)

 

As for prayer of believers together, this does not disobey Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ took 3 of his apostles to a mountainside to pray with them:

 

"About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray." - Luke 9:28 (NIV)

 

After Jesus died, rose from the dead, then ascended, His disciples met together in private to pray (Acts 1:12-14). One could say this was the first "church" because church does not have to be a building specifically designed for believers to meet together.

[Justanaverageguy]

Have you read the New Testament? I'm reading your post here and wondering where you're getting this info from.

 

What Jesus taught could not be any farther from this. He taught that nobody is good--not even one. He taught that living a "good" life is impossible. One must repent of their love for this world and rely completely on the assistance of the Holy Spirit in order to please God, otherwise it's impossible. He taught that believing your "good deeds" will save you is nothing but pride and that nothing but unmerited grace is what makes you right with God.

 

Hmm his teaching could not have been further from trying to be a good person and treat other people well ? Certainly not what I got from it - I guess we each have our own interpretations though so as long as it works for you and helps you then no issue. I'm not looking for saving. Just looking to do the best I can with this life. I don't claim to be perfect. I know I have many faults. But for me working on myself and placing energy into trying to do good and be a better person each day is more beneficial then eternally focusing on and apologizing for the mistakes I make.

[Poe77]

I went to a church and all of a sudden ppl were acting weird shaking and falling down? They told me it was the Holy Spirit. Half of the people were feeling it. Has anyone ever encountered that before?

 

Ive never been to church never even as a child I was baptized catholic and that's about it. Ive never read the bible even so I dont know about shaking or such but I have seen things. I had major surgery this past year and while I was coming out of it I could swear I was seeing angels and what I thought to be demons and darkness things growing on walls that part of it was kinda horrid but I also remember light and a sense of calm it did leave a profound affect on me tho as in I am now more open to the idea of these higher powers. I dont know if it was just the affects of the drugs they had me on but I figure I could have hallucinated about flying fish or purple zebras but I didn't it was more spiritual of a experience..so I guess you can say I believe it can affect people in different ways yes..

[aurelius99]

Hmm his teaching could not have been further from trying to be a good person and treat other people well ? Certainly not what I got from it - I guess we each have our own interpretations though so as long as it works for you and helps you then no issue. I'm not looking for saving. Just looking to do the best I can with this life. I don't claim to be perfect. I know I have many faults. But for me working on myself and placing energy into trying to do good and be a better person each day is more beneficial then eternally focusing on and apologizing for the mistakes I make.

 

Treating people well is not jesus' primary message. It's not the gospel. Otherwise you get the "social Gospel". Judas the traitor, of all the disciples, professed the most interest in helping the poor and giving them money. This of course was a facade. His heart was truly greedy and wicked.

 

The point is that we are to deny ourselves, submit our will and ambitions to God. Until we do this, all of our good deeds are as "filthy rags". Trying to do good works on our own which originate from our own efforts is futile and ultimately do not serve gods purposes. God could turn every rock in the universe into bread to feed the poor if he wanted to right now. What God seeks is obedience and submission from us. He will do EVERYTHING. Jesus said, "apart from me you can do nothing".

 

From where does your charity and compassion originate? From yourself or from God? Pray for wisdom on this.

[Justanaverageguy]

Treating people well is not jesus' primary message. It's not the gospel. Otherwise you get the "social Gospel". Judas the traitor, of all the disciples, professed the most interest in helping the poor and giving them money. This of course was a facade. His heart was truly greedy and wicked.

 

The point is that we are to deny ourselves, submit our will and ambitions to God. Until we do this, all of our good deeds are as "filthy rags". Trying to do good works on our own which originate from our own efforts is futile and ultimately do not serve gods purposes. God could turn every rock in the universe into bread to feed the poor if he wanted to right now. What God seeks is obedience and submission from us. He will do EVERYTHING. Jesus said, "apart from me you can do nothing".

 

It seems we have different interpretations which is fine and normal. If yours works for you and provides meaning and purpose to your actions - I think that's great. I simply have a different interpretation that works for me. My view is that god gave us agency, free will and the ability to act and make changes to our world. I see it possible for actions to be mutually beneficial rather then exclusively for greed and selfish reasons. I don't think a good deed is filthy as rags. I personally just tryto focus on the golden rule from the gospel to guide those actions.

 

Matthew 7:12 - Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets.

 

From where does your charity and compassion originate? From yourself or from God? Pray for wisdom on this.

 

I think we agree here - but having been given these gifts it is our job to then use them

[aurelius99]

It seems we have different interpretations which is fine and normal. If yours works for you and provides meaning and purpose to your actions - I think that's great. I simply have a different interpretation that works for me. My view is that god gave us agency, free will and the ability to act and make changes to our world. I see it possible for actions to be mutually beneficial rather then exclusively for greed and selfish reasons. I don't think a good deed is filthy as rags. I personally just tryto focus on the golden rule from the gospel to guide those actions.

 

Matthew 7:12 - Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets.

 

 

 

I think we agree here - but having been given these gifts it is our job to then use them

 

Do you believe humans are born good, evil, or neutral? If none of these, please explain.

[Justanaverageguy]

Do you believe humans are born good, evil, or neutral? If none of these, please explain.

 

I think thats a little like asking what shape is a snow flake. No one size fits all unfortunately. I think humans are all a mix. No one is perfectly good - no one completely evil. We are all some different shade of grey and we change throughout our life time based on our experiences. The idea is hopefully to be changing ourselves in the right direction.

[Justanaverageguy]

I think most humans however do really want\try to be good even if they aren't perfect. And so its important for us to recognize the interdependence between good and evil and how desire to see one self as good can sometimes lead to the other. Often in our own quests to be good - or at least make ourselves feel like we are good - we are drawn into simply opposing and classifying anything that is different from us or different from our beliefs as evil\wrong.

 

Why ? Because we only feel comfortable and secure in our own "goodness" by labeling, judging and attacking the evil outside us and showing how it is "different" and "wrong". We don't feel we are good unless we are fighting against evil. We need that point of difference to show why we are good\better. Essentially if you want to be a hero you need a villain to battle. St. George needed that evil dragon in order to be St. George. His heroic righteous identity requires it. And we all want to be the good hero so sadly we often spend more time seeking out evil then just simply doing good. Sad to say but, that is why we humans like wars. It makes the distinction between good (us) and evil (the bad guys over there) easy and allows us to feel good whilst we engage in bad acts.

 

This desire to be good - and re-assure ourselves that we are good - is strangely the source of most evil in the world. Racism, slavery, bigotry, homophobia, animal abuse, religious extremism etc all originated in this way. As people labeling something different from themselves - inferior, wrong or evil - so they could view themselves as being good\better. Its a weird relationship human's have with good and evil. Our strong desire to see ourselvesas "good" sometimes leads us to actually be the opposite. Understanding this part of human nature allows us to "balance" it better so we place our focus and action back in the right areas.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Justanaverageguy

[aurelius99]

I think thats a little like asking what shape is a snow flake. No one size fits all unfortunately. I think humans are all a mix. No one is perfectly good - no one completely evil. We are all some different shade of grey and we change throughout our life time based on our experiences. The idea is hopefully to be changing ourselves in the right direction.

 

Ok I completely understand why you'd think this way. It seems to make sense and it sounds right.

 

Now do you want to hear what the Word of God says through the prophets?

[Daisy-oliviaWentcher]

A lot of that shaking and laughing etc... can be mass hysteria or the Holy Spirit.

 

I went to a church that advocated for those " signs and wonders" every Sunday. Very often I felt very odd for not experiencing those things while everyone else was.

 

Later I found the pastor to be quite legalistic and controlling and I wonder in hindsight if it was in fact mass hysteria that people were experiencing.

 

Sometimes we need the Holy Spirit to help us lead us and discern what is authentic and real and what isn't.

 

I think of the Holy Spirit as a quiet friend that heals, helps and hears you and gives you the wisdom you need in all things.

[Cheryl11111111111111]

Our mind can convince us that we feel a lot of things. It takes a lot of experience to realize that what you feel, love, hate, anger, resentment, other beings - are you. You can only feel your emotions. Illness can intensify and things can make them out of wack but logically I don't think you feel anything. If you go to church then you have the over whelming sense of joy. It has nothing to do with the service itself. Its you! we have a lot more control then we think we do.

 

For example, you can be in a relationship and feel the love but the love is within you and you feel it. Its not even the same feeling the other person feels. We lie to ourselves a lot so no. You can not feel the holy spirit.