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But if my health issues never get better what am I supposed to do? Just not date for the rest of my life if it means I never get entirely better?

 

What if you changed your attitude and think about how it WILL get better? Thinking so negatively so much only inflames your body.

 

A positive attitude rocks. Your body, mind, and soul will thank you for it.

 

Also, do you have to get entirely better in order to date? No. Heck, you're in a lot of pain these days, and that's not stopping from you trying to get a date. Many people have a chronic, painful medical condition, and they still date.

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NJ, your feelings of desperation to get better are evident. But what are you actually doing to be proactive? You've waited a month and it doesn't appear that you have taken any of our suggestions and put them into action. Actions that might alleviate what you're feeling. Actions that can make a world of difference in how you're feeling.

 

You don't need a doctor's approval to take the saline spray (which is just water, salt, and baking soda), or magnesium (bis)glycinate/malate, hypericum perforatum, or vitamin B6. Why do you need to wait for what a doctor says? Why do you need for them to approve? They're not drugs. They're not medications. They're safe to take.

 

Have you eliminated sugar from your diet, as best you can?

 

If you actually want to get better, then you need to take some accountability for your own health. If you really want to get better, then do something about it. And no--going from doctor to doctor, and waiting lengthy periods in-between, WHILE you do nothing to help yourself, isn't showing that you really want to get better. YOU need to take action. YOU need to take responsibility for your own health, and not depend on someone in a white lab coat to hand you the answers and fix you.

 

I have nerve pain, too. I've taken action. I feel better as the results of my actions (including many of the ones I've suggested to you). I keep forgetting to get the hypericum perforatum, but next time I go to the store, I will get it.

 

You've mentioned a lot about having depression and anxiety, as well as intrusive thoughts. Have you considered therapy? Having the right therapist can make a world of difference in your well-being and health.

 

Take care and good luck.

 

I've been exercising a bit again lately. I want to try to get into the gym regularly again even if it's 2-3x a week. And I've tried eliminating sugar a bit more, but still have had sugary things. A lot of the stuff in my house is sugary stuff so it's a bit hard to be completely free from sugar. Even things like low fat yogurt have some sugar in them.

 

And I guess I should just force myself to get the magnesium & spray. I just am not convinced they will do anything for me though, especially the spray. I've already tried spray in the past from an allergist, it did absolutely nothing for me.

 

The thing with my nerve issue or whatever the hell it is, is that I feel it's some sort of physical deformity in my face/near my ear. It's like I feel something go back into place, but than I hear the loud pop sound than I hear the clicking/popping sounds all over again. It just feels like the muscles in my face are weak or something. I'm being honest here but at this point I just want to know what the precise issue is even if I needed some sort of surgery done to fix it. Doctors just have failed me. I've already been to dozens upon dozens of doctors with no results & it just really frustrates me that no one even cares & just send me on my way thinking it's all in my head.

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What if you changed your attitude and think about how it WILL get better? Thinking so negatively so much only inflames your body.

 

A positive attitude rocks. Your body, mind, and soul will thank you for it.

 

Also, do you have to get entirely better in order to date? No. Heck, you're in a lot of pain these days, and that's not stopping from you trying to get a date. Many people have a chronic, painful medical condition, and they still date.

 

Yes, but I have both physical & mental issues. The problem is I need to get the physical part fixed first before I can get the mental one fixed since as I've said when I took antidepressants the drugs just made me feel even weirder than I do without them due to this nerve issue or whatever it is I'm dealing with. It's almost like I never know how I'm going to feel in terms of my mood. I can be fine for a little while in terms of mood, than I just crash down.

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But if my health issues never get better what am I supposed to do? Just not date for the rest of my life if it means I never get entirely better? I just don't want to be in a position of being 40 something or in my 50s with little to no experience at all. It's bad enough as it is right now at my current age, but being 10-15 years older than I am now with no experience will likely leave me feeling 10x worse about it than I am now.

 

I don't know. You've been on this forum for two years essentially posting the same talking points.

 

It's not what you want to hear, but your attitude/outlook on life kinda sucks. I'm sure you're nice to people you're around, but your bleak mentality is overpower on this forum and I sincerely doubt that doesn't go along with you when you get away from the computer.

 

Point is, you've got a real defeatist attitude and it seems like two years worth of insights and advice from people on here has been mostly met with just as many excuses for why you can't alter whatever it is you've been doing.

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I don't know. You've been on this forum for two years essentially posting the same talking points.

 

It's not what you want to hear, but your attitude/outlook on life kinda sucks. I'm sure you're nice to people you're around, but your bleak mentality is overpower on this forum and I sincerely doubt that doesn't go along with you when you get away from the computer.

 

Point is, you've got a real defeatist attitude and it seems like two years worth of insights and advice from people on here has been mostly met with just as many excuses for why you can't alter whatever it is you've been doing.

 

I actually wasn't even on here for over a year or so since when I first started posting. It just feels at this point I'm going to die without ever being with anyone. That feeling isn't good at all. Day after day I'm just reminded of what I don't have when I see others in relationships. I just wish it wasn't so difficult to get a relationship these days unless someone just wants to be with anyone where they probably won't be happy.

 

And it's difficult to be positive a lot of the time when dealing with the things I have to. How am I supposed to just be positive when I'm in the position I'm in.

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Everyone is going through something. You aren't special in that regard. It doesn't make it easier for you but you seem to place your own struggles so far above what others are going through. Relationships aren't everything and I think you don't realize that, possibly because you haven't had one.

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Everyone is going through something. You aren't special in that regard. It doesn't make it easier for you but you seem to place your own struggles so far above what others are going through. Relationships aren't everything and I think you don't realize that, possibly because you haven't had one.

 

I know everyone is going through something, but there's different levels of severity in them. Some go through things that are just minor where they'll be back to their regular life in no time. Others have issues that are long term that could affect their entire well being.

 

And that's the thing. It's so much easier for others to say when they've had relationships already. When you've never had one it's a whole different feeling like no one views you as good enough.

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And that's the thing. It's so much easier for others to say when they've had relationships already. When you've never had one it's a whole different feeling like no one views you as good enough.

 

Yes, and having had a relationship also makes it easier to say that having a relationship is not everything. Your situation would almost not change at all if you had a girlfriend. You'd still presumably have your health issues. You'd still be living with your parents. You'd still be working a menial job. You'd still be thinking about being in college.

 

You have a pile of things you should probably address before you worry about having a girlfriend. I think you know this, and you've coped with this by totally focusing all of your energy into this lack of a relationship as a means of blocking out your other issues.

 

You keep on about how you don't want to ignore this because then you'll just be the guy who's in his mid-30s or 40s having no experience with women. Well, newsflash, guy, if you don't address these other issues, you're going to be that age and still living with your parents working a dead-end job.

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Also, have you enrolled in classes yet? Decided what you're going to take? Any further along with these things than you were a month ago? January is not far off, and it'd be a real shame if you somehow let the days slip away and miss enrolling in courses because you were too preoccupied with all this dating nonsense.

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Yes, and having had a relationship also makes it easier to say that having a relationship is not everything. Your situation would almost not change at all if you had a girlfriend. You'd still presumably have your health issues. You'd still be living with your parents. You'd still be working a menial job. You'd still be thinking about being in college.

 

You have a pile of things you should probably address before you worry about having a girlfriend. I think you know this, and you've coped with this by totally focusing all of your energy into this lack of a relationship as a means of blocking out your other issues.

 

You keep on about how you don't want to ignore this because then you'll just be the guy who's in his mid-30s or 40s having no experience with women. Well, newsflash, guy, if you don't address these other issues, you're going to be that age and still living with your parents working a dead-end job.

 

True, it's just difficult to feel like I'm so far behind of everyone in terms of experience among other things that it just bothers me almost everyday. I don't know how to escape that feeling of feeling like I need to make up for lost time.

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Also, have you enrolled in classes yet? Decided what you're going to take? Any further along with these things than you were a month ago? January is not far off, and it'd be a real shame if you somehow let the days slip away and miss enrolling in courses because you were too preoccupied with all this dating nonsense.

 

I'm definitely going to look into it tomorrow. I'm just a bit lost as in what to take up though. A few people told me to do a 2 year program, which is likely what I'll do. I just want to do something that I'm going to at least enjoy & make decent money in. I don't want to go back to school to take up something where I'm only going to make like $5 to $7 more an hour on average.

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My dentist won't make me another night guard. And I held off on the spray actually until I go back to my doctor on Thursday to see what he says after seeing my medical records.

 

But you were going to get both on Amazon?

 

Change your behaviour and your attitude will change.

If you had gone and got these two things (changing your behaviour and doing something for yourself) and used them you might have been feeling a whole heap better by now (and your attitude will have shifted).

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The OP has both a fear of the future and a fixation on a past he can't change. I wouldn't mind betting his medical condition is actually anxiety which yes can cause physical pain and all sorts of other symptoms that mimic physical conditions but actually aren't. If he's been to Dr after Dr and gotten no diagnosis apart from it's psychosomatic then it probably is psychosomatic which can be incredibly powerful. There are documented cases of people paralysing themselves for years on end with psychosomatic influences. My point is, multiple Dr's are highly unlikely to all be incompetent. If he'd been to one Dr only then I might be inclined to say yes seek a second opinion. But he's been to several and his symptoms do not amount to a pathology that anyone recognises. That's exactly how anxiety works. I wonder how much time the OP has spent googling his symptoms fuelling this.

 

He's essentially waiting for his life to change before he does but life does not work that way at all. Until he seeks therapy or at the very least accepts a diagnosis from someone trained to give one, he'll likely remain where he is which is sad and unnecessary. Anxious people spend their time confirming their own illness as the OP is doing. When they are told it's anxiety they do not believe it and continue to seek a different diagnosis. I know, I'm an anxious person and went down this path. It's a waste of time and only delays actually getting better.

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The OP has both a fear of the future and a fixation on a past he can't change. I wouldn't mind betting his medical condition is actually anxiety which yes can cause physical pain and all sorts of other symptoms that mimic physical conditions but actually aren't. If he's been to Dr after Dr and gotten no diagnosis apart from it's psychosomatic then it probably is psychosomatic which can be incredibly powerful. There are documented cases of people paralysing themselves for years on end with psychosomatic influences. My point is, multiple Dr's are highly unlikely to all be incompetent. If he'd been to one Dr only then I might be inclined to say yes seek a second opinion. But he's been to several and his symptoms do not amount to a pathology that anyone recognises. That's exactly how anxiety works. I wonder how much time the OP has spent googling his symptoms fuelling this.

 

He's essentially waiting for his life to change before he does but life does not work that way at all. Until he seeks therapy or at the very least accepts a diagnosis from someone trained to give one, he'll likely remain where he is which is sad and unnecessary. Anxious people spend their time confirming their own illness as the OP is doing. When they are told it's anxiety they do not believe it and continue to seek a different diagnosis. I know, I'm an anxious person and went down this path. It's a waste of time and only delays actually getting better.

 

No, I have an actual physical issue with it. I can tell the right side isn't the same as my left. It's like the muscles aren't in place right or are weak than it pops out of place again & I hear the clicking/popping all over again. How is that all in my head? How is spitting up green phlegm/mucus which I never had before this problem started all in my head? How are the bad headaches that I get from time to time which I never had before this issue all in my head? How are these weird lymph nodes on the right side of my jaw line that I never had before this all in my head? You might be thinking I'm making excuses, but they're not. I have a legitimate problem here that I need fixed. I said I've tried anti-depressant medication in the past but I feel even weirder on it due to this issue I'm dealing with. It feels like the issue is causing some sort of nerve compression or something. Why would I make this up? Yes, I have anxiety, but I'm 110% certain that what I have isn't just anxiety & all in my head. My symptoms used to be even way worse than they are now. I would have severe excruciating headaches at night in the past where I had trouble sleeping & even vomited at times. You probably think I'm some hypochondriac crazy guy but this is definitely a real issue.

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No, I have an actual physical issue with it.

 

I didn't say you didn't have a physical issue or that it's all in your head. I said it could be anxiety which present as physical symptoms. Mine presented physically. It's the physical symptoms which make it difficult to accept that it is anxiety. You take offense at anything offered to you and take it in a direction which it was never intended.

 

Read about anxiety and you will see that it can cause irregular heart beat, sweating, visual disturbances, physical pain, nausea, vomiting, breathing problems, muscle tremors/spasms there really is a very broad spectrum of physical symptoms that can be caused just by anxiety.

 

What I did say was this....

 

- You appear to be an anxious person

- You've been to multiple Dr's and received psychosomatic causes as your diagnosis.

- You refuse to accept that diagnosis

- It's unlikely (although not impossible) that these Dr's are all incompetent at what they do.

- Anxious people rarely want to accept anxiety as their diagnosis precisely because the symptoms are physical.

 

Nowhere did I say it was all in your head, you were making stuff up or that you have no physical symptoms. What I did say was you need to begin trusting a diagnosis given by a qualified medical professional.

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I didn't say you didn't have a physical issue or that it's all in your head. I said it could be anxiety which present as physical symptoms. Mine presented physically. It's the physical symptoms which make it difficult to accept that it is anxiety. You take offense at anything offered to you and take it in a direction which it was never intended.

 

Read about anxiety and you will see that it can cause irregular heart beat, sweating, visual disturbances, physical pain, nausea, vomiting, breathing problems, muscle tremors/spasms there really is a very broad spectrum of physical symptoms that can be caused just by anxiety.

 

What I did say was this....

 

- You appear to be an anxious person

- You've been to multiple Dr's and received psychosomatic causes as your diagnosis.

- You refuse to accept that diagnosis

- It's unlikely (although not impossible) that these Dr's are all incompetent at what they do.

- Anxious people rarely want to accept anxiety as their diagnosis precisely because the symptoms are physical.

 

Nowhere did I say it was all in your head, you were making stuff up or that you have no physical symptoms. What I did say was you need to begin trusting a diagnosis given by a qualified medical professional.

 

So let's hypothetically say what you're saying is correct. Than what is my course of action to take then? I'm still left with this burning in my ears/head among other symptoms. As well as feeling like something is out of place on the right side of my jaw. The muscles or something just don't feel right. I know my body since the left side feels much different than my right side. It feels like on my right side a muscle is tight or stuck & than I hear a pop sound than the crackling/popping sounds start until it weakly goes back into place until it pops again. I don't get it.

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So let's hypothetically say what you're saying is correct. Than what is my course of action to take then? I'm still left with this burning in my ears/head among other symptoms. As well as feeling like something is out of place on the right side of my jaw. The muscles or something just don't feel right. I know my body since the left side feels much different than my right side. It feels like on my right side a muscle is tight or stuck & than I hear a pop sound than the crackling/popping sounds start until it weakly goes back into place until it pops again. I don't get it.

 

You don't get it because you are fixated on it being something else. It may be something else. But until someone who is qualified can tell you that, you have to assume that multiple qualified people telling you it's psychosomatic may in fact be correct. Incorrect diagnosis are usually picked up on the 2nd or 3rd opinion unless of course you are suffering from some never before seen malady in which case you become a science project.

 

I was certain my physical symptoms had to be the result of an undiagnosed physical condition. The body just does not act the way mine was without provocation when it is healthy. I had to eventually accept (after multiple physical tests all came back normal) that it was psychosomatic. Once I accepted that my symptoms dissipated and went away.

 

I've experienced it myself, anxiety can cause interference with nerve functioning, send electrical signals through the body without provocation, cause hormones to be released at the wrong time and with the wrong triggers and create very real and very physical results. The mind IS that powerful. It controls every process in your body without your conscious involvement and accordingly it can make your body react anyway it chooses when it's neural pathways have been programmed in a dysfunctional way. That grey matter in your head is the biological processor that runs your entire organism and yet you doubt it can cause your physical symptoms? It's the only thing that can cause your physical symptoms.

 

It's quite likely that you have unhelpful neural pathways which are causing your body to behave in the way it is. Seeking therapy for that does not interfere with any other medical treatment you might also undertake. There is nothing to lose by exploring that option. But don't take my word for it. Listen to your Dr.

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You don't get it because you are fixated on it being something else. It may be something else. But until someone who is qualified can tell you that, you have to assume that multiple qualified people telling you it's psychosomatic may in fact be correct. Incorrect diagnosis are usually picked up on the 2nd or 3rd opinion unless of course you are suffering from some never before seen malady in which case you become a science project.

 

I was certain my physical symptoms had to be the result of an undiagnosed physical condition. The body just does not act the way mine was without provocation when it is healthy. I had to eventually accept (after multiple physical tests all came back normal) that it was psychosomatic. Once I accepted that my symptoms dissipated and went away.

 

I've experienced it myself, anxiety can cause interference with nerve functioning, send electrical signals through the body without provocation, cause hormones to be released at the wrong time and with the wrong triggers and create very real and very physical results. The mind IS that powerful. It controls every process in your body without your conscious involvement and accordingly it can make your body react anyway it chooses when it's neural pathways have been programmed in a dysfunctional way. That grey matter in your head is the biological processor that runs your entire organism and yet you doubt it can cause your physical symptoms? It's the only thing that can cause your physical symptoms.

 

It's quite likely that you have unhelpful neural pathways which are causing your body to behave in the way it is. Seeking therapy for that does not interfere with any other medical treatment you might also undertake. There is nothing to lose by exploring that option. But don't take my word for it. Listen to your Dr.

 

I already told my therapist about it. She doesn't seem to think it's anything worth worrying about that much so I don't plan on mentioning it again. And if it really is that than how do I fix these neural pathways?

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I'm popping onto Buddhist's band wagon here. I had a heap of weird symptoms when I was married the first time. While working with a naturopath (traditional doctors had been no help) we figured that my symptoms were happening because I was stressed and anxious. Problem was that my marriage made me stressed and anxious, which caused the physical symptoms which then made me MORE stressed and anxious and the problem became a never ending circle.

 

The solution was a complete lifestyle change. Divorce was one of those changes. Sometimes though, it's not so easy to make those changes - especially if their origin is in our minds. For example, with obsessive thinking.

 

I'm not a doctor or a psychologist. But I'd advise having a trial on anti anxiety medication and seeing if it changes/lessens your physical symptoms. If you do see an improvement, you can then make the connection that your physical symptoms are anxiety/stress induced. And you can address them in whatever manner you think best.

 

If the meds make no difference, then you can further rule out cause and effect.

 

Edited to add: your anxiety about never having had a girlfriend would be understandably significant. And then being anxious about it would make it harder to get a girlfriend. And then you're sick on top of it. You're in a really bad place and it's no surprise you feel as bad as you do.

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I'm popping onto Buddhist's band wagon here. I had a heap of weird symptoms when I was married the first time. While working with a naturopath (traditional doctors had been no help) we figured that my symptoms were happening because I was stressed and anxious. Problem was that my marriage made me stressed and anxious, which caused the physical symptoms which then made me MORE stressed and anxious and the problem became a never ending circle.

 

The solution was a complete lifestyle change. Divorce was one of those changes. Sometimes though, it's not so easy to make those changes - especially if their origin is in our minds. For example, with obsessive thinking.

 

I'm not a doctor or a psychologist. But I'd advise having a trial on anti anxiety medication and seeing if it changes/lessens your physical symptoms. If you do see an improvement, you can then make the connection that your physical symptoms are anxiety/stress induced. And you can address them in whatever manner you think best.

 

If the meds make no difference, then you can further rule out cause and effect.

 

Edited to add: your anxiety about never having had a girlfriend would be understandably significant. And then being anxious about it would make it harder to get a girlfriend. And then you're sick on top of it. You're in a really bad place and it's no surprise you feel as bad as you do.

 

I've already stated that I tried anti depressants in the past & they made me feel even weirder on them due to this issue.

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I've already stated that I tried anti depressants in the past & they made me feel even weirder on them due to this issue.

 

How many different types of anti-depressants did you try? And did you try anti-anxiety medication?

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I already told my therapist about it. She doesn't seem to think it's anything worth worrying about that much so I don't plan on mentioning it again. And if it really is that than how do I fix these neural pathways?

 

It depends on how you framed it to her. If you said I have a clicking jaw and muscular problems then understandably she is going to say, that's not my field see someone who does that. It's not appropriate for therapy with her. I had to see an anxiety specialist not a regular counsellor. The mind is a huge subject and many people specialise in particular things. Anxiety is a particular neural pathway that keeps your brain obsessively picking on certain details in a circular fashion that eventually result in physical symptoms. If she's not an anxiety specialist she may have swept it aside not knowing how to deal with it.

 

Sure there is plenty you can do about it. Acquaint yourself with neuroplasticity. Which is basically your brains natural ability to create new neural pathways based on external stimuli. Your current stimuli is depression and anxiety which creates a particular neural pathway. I improved my anxiety a great deal by consciously creating a more normal neural pathway. My mood stabilised, my symptoms subsided and so did the constant fear that used to run my life.

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Even if meds don't work for you, please don't underestimate the impact that depression/anxiety/stress can have on our physical self.

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Buddhist and basil67 are absolutely right about the way you feel can absolutely impact your body. We are beings of energy, and every thought and feeling we have creates energy, and that energy can either be healing or harmful.

 

You seem to believe that you need to work on the physical aspect of your health, then the mental. Well... as an energetic being, all of the stress you're placing on your body through your thoughts and feelings are affecting your body. So, I'd highly encourage you to work on your emotional health.

 

It's great that you've been exercising. Keep that up. I'm not sure what kind of exercises you're doing, but slow movements like you might find in yoga would be helpful (reading about Buddhist's experiences with yoga recently partially inspired me to start practicing it).

 

Other possible actions:

Slow, deep breathing.

Taking calming herbs such as lemon balm, holy basil, and passionflower (in the form of tea, capsules, or tincture).

Journaling.

Meditation. You can find plenty of them on Youtube.

Practicing forgiveness ("I am sorry, head, for the pain you are experiencing. I love you. Please forgive me for focusing so much on what is lacking in my life. Thank you for being as healthy and strong as you can be, etc.").

Affirmations.

Expressing gratitude.

Enrolling in a program at school rather than just thinking about thinking about it--January's coming, and you might not be able to secure a spot in a program if you've chosen it too late. Get it done soon, and you can smile at the way you've done something wonderful for yourself.

Do something to take care of the sugary foods at home--dump out what you have, or get some new foods with the intention of eliminating sugar. Inform your parents of your intention (ie., reducing sugar as much as possible, and why) if they're the ones who buy the food that you eat. Buy your own food if you can.

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Buddhist and basil67 are absolutely right about the way you feel can absolutely impact your body. We are beings of energy, and every thought and feeling we have creates energy, and that energy can either be healing or harmful.

 

You seem to believe that you need to work on the physical aspect of your health, then the mental. Well... as an energetic being, all of the stress you're placing on your body through your thoughts and feelings are affecting your body. So, I'd highly encourage you to work on your emotional health.

 

It's great that you've been exercising. Keep that up. I'm not sure what kind of exercises you're doing, but slow movements like you might find in yoga would be helpful (reading about Buddhist's experiences with yoga recently partially inspired me to start practicing it).

 

Other possible actions:

Slow, deep breathing.

Taking calming herbs such as lemon balm, holy basil, and passionflower (in the form of tea, capsules, or tincture).

Journaling.

Meditation. You can find plenty of them on Youtube.

Practicing forgiveness ("I am sorry, head, for the pain you are experiencing. I love you. Please forgive me for focusing so much on what is lacking in my life. Thank you for being as healthy and strong as you can be, etc.").

Affirmations.

Expressing gratitude.

Enrolling in a program at school rather than just thinking about thinking about it--January's coming, and you might not be able to secure a spot in a program if you've chosen it too late. Get it done soon, and you can smile at the way you've done something wonderful for yourself.

Do something to take care of the sugary foods at home--dump out what you have, or get some new foods with the intention of eliminating sugar. Inform your parents of your intention (ie., reducing sugar as much as possible, and why) if they're the ones who buy the food that you eat. Buy your own food if you can.

 

True, I just always constantly overthink almost every little thing. The relationship thing definitely has some part of it since I can't stop thinking about how I'm inexperienced. It sucks that it's going to be a red flag to many women for being a guy in his 30s with no experience. I sometimes feel I should just find casual sex with someone once & get it over with. I could have a few times in the past, but the situations either never felt right or the women never replied back to me about the possibility of it happening.

 

Lately, I've just been doing dumbbell exercises & pushups. I think I might have been overtraining since my back has felt a bit weird on the one side. Like a weird numbness feel I get briefly at times. So I've been taking a break for a few days. Think I'll work out 3 times a week. I need to get back in the gym though, I've just been unfortunately a bit lazy of getting in there lately. I'm really inconsistent with it where I'd go for like a month straight, than I'd stop going for a month or two, than return for awhile, etc. I need to find a way to stick with an exercise routine.

 

And I just need to force myself to enroll in something for school but it's just so difficult to decide on what. I know it's me that has to figure it out but I don't know what I'd be good at or enjoy.

 

What foods do you recommend I should get that have no sugar?

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