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Being too outcome dependent is a sure-fire way to live a life of dissatisfaction punctuated by brief bursts of jubilation.

 

The truth is, life kind of sucks unless you can learn to enjoy the process and journey of it all.

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OP, this is not intended as offensive - but you need a few real home truths.

 

Your health:

The thing is - you're 30ish now yes?

 

You have to get it in your head that things are going to begin going wrong with your body - it's age for one thing - we all have it.

I knew I had an illness of some kind from about age 22 - docs said it might be this or that - none of the treatments for those things worked so I self helped - I tested things for 3 months at a time, I kept diaries - the docs sent me away with pills - if they didn't work I knew I had to do something for me. Doctors do not know all - more info is often required - but you have to give them every bit of info and every sngle thing you have tried.

I researched and nine years (yes nine years!!!) later I went back with 3.5 inches deep of printouts with all of the many and varied symptoms I had - which all pointed to the same thing. I got tested - got diagnosed when I was age 33. I began my own quest though at 24.

It gets some of us sooner, some later but it's inevitable.

Our bodies are all in decay. If you are depressive then I'm afraid the decay can be worse simply because you do nothing to help yourself feel good.

This one thing with your jaw - research it at least - you sit online mostly so use that time - get a printer too.

But in the meantime you can do other things to relieve stress and anxiety which will all help - they did me over those 9 years!

 

Do you love the blue sky and smile?

My best best best thing is crunchy autumn leaves and snow sitting on tree branches - and sunset - a red/orange/pink sunset.

I haven't had much social life at all in the past three months due to illness - I am getting it sorted out - it takes time - I know and am OK with that.

 

What is going to be going on for me may mean I am undatable - to many - but I don't care.

Some very lovely people - a handful who know my situ (5 in total - one is a stranger from here who asked me for a bit of help - you are on my list to reply to Mr E!!) have been so very supportive - and I will reply to him - I have just done 2 days of working from home 11 hours a day solid - but he knows I will get back to him on his question - and I know he will not say a word about my issue either. )

 

Your work/course:

 

You sound scared almost of whatever you do being complicated or difficult?

Those are the things you should relish! It's an amazing feeling when you didn't think you could and then it all snaps into place - on the first/third/fifth try.

Most folks daily work isn't easy - it requires thought, decision making, effort more than you feel like at times but it's damn worth it!

If you want to do something easy you will never feel accomplished.

I have had odd times of admin type roles - bored me to oblivion! Make it difficult and a challenge and yep - I can do it and love it!

 

Your home life:

 

Do you remember the first time you made a three course meal for your Mum and dad - how amazing you felt? Even if it wasn't perfect - thye really appreciated it didn't they?!!

 

Like when you took care for the first times of your laundry and ironing - you got a great feeling - independence - you CAN do it!!

 

This is what you need to carry forward, depression or not you have to appreciate little steps and be proud of them.

 

We on LS struggle here because you pick up a thing you don't mind doing, you do it the least hassle way possible and sit and wait for a few weeks maybe - is how it seems.

 

Look at Buddhists posts - she is telling you a whole lot about her experiences good and bad - and yep - I have seen her on her low - she is just amazing in my eyes as she is doing this for herself and she is one strong woman - stronger than I am by far.

 

Tiny bit of my story - I lost my parents pretty young, no family in my country - but I am OK - not perfect but OK.

Point is most days I am happy - and optimistic - as is Buddhist. If we are not we makes sure that something that day makes us happy - and more often than not it's down to RECOGNISING or noticing something we love.

 

You have to learn to have the capacity to allow some happy in for simple things - but you need to self help to - doctors will not fix you unless it's an emergency - but even then, recovery would be up to you just like it is with all those people you see on the news who have sustained life changing injuries - because trust me - them now running a marathon with one leg is not down to any doctor!

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So frustrated with this stuff. Just when I thought I was improving, the burning is back just as bad as it was along with the bad crackling/clicking sounds in my ear like the muscles or something is damaged. I really just don't get what I have to do to make this go away. I mean do I have to not chew anything for months to make whatever is wrong go away? It's beyond frustrating at this point, I just don't know how I can keep dealing with this.

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Well, on the plus side I haven't thought about relationships & such anywhere as much since I've deleted every dating app. But I still don't feel well in general. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do at this point about this burning in my head & face. I still spit up that weird green mucus or whatever it is too yet. The antibiotics my doctor gave me did absolutely nothing at all for me. I sound like a broken record here talking about it but it NEVER goes away ever. It's driving me insane that I'm going to be like this forever. I haven't really even been stressing out the past week or so & been taking the supplements & yet no progress whatsoever. I just don't get it. Am I permanently expected to deal with this the rest of my life? What the hell am I supposed to do? Nothing I've done has helped me. I just don't get it anymore why I can't just feel normal.

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How's the sinus irrigation going? That should have gotten a partial handle on your green stuff.

 

That's not going to do anything for me. There's something likely physical in my facial structure that's causing this. It's absolutely no coincidence that ever since this whole ear/face thing started that all these other symptoms started. I just don't know what I'm going to do at this rate. I know you're probably going to complain about me not trying the sinus irrigation but I tried the supplements & it hasn't done a thing for me at all literally so far. And I haven't really been stressing out at all about much hardly the past week or so either, yet 0 improvement on my symptoms.

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That's not going to do anything for me. There's something likely physical in my facial structure that's causing this. It's absolutely no coincidence that ever since this whole ear/face thing started that all these other symptoms started. I just don't know what I'm going to do at this rate. I know you're probably going to complain about me not trying the sinus irrigation but I tried the supplements & it hasn't done a thing for me at all literally so far. And I haven't really been stressing out at all about much hardly the past week or so either, yet 0 improvement on my symptoms.

 

You haven't given anything enough time. And you need to read up in the benefits and safety of irrigating your sinuses. What did I say about pressure on the trigeminal nerve?

 

You don't even need a sloppy Neti pot anymore with the pressurized cans available. $8, and you won't try it. Do it in a hot shower and blow that green stuff down the drain.

 

You're going in circles, and I'm starting to think you enjoy it. I'm out.

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You haven't given anything enough time. And you need to read up in the benefits and safety of irrigating your sinuses. What did I say about pressure on the trigeminal nerve?

 

You don't even need a sloppy Neti pot anymore with the pressurized cans available. $8, and you won't try it. Do it in a hot shower and blow that green stuff down the drain.

 

You're going in circles, and I'm starting to think you enjoy it. I'm out.

 

You might of misunderstood. The green stuff is coming from my throat not my nose. And I don't cough it up, I just spit it up randomly. It's like I'll randomly feel something stuck in my throat than green stuff squirts up that I have to spit out. No one knows what it is even when I told a bunch of doctors about it. Than they look at me like I'm crazy. I'm just frustrated beyond belief at this rate. My life is pretty much ruined & it's likely this is permanent since none of my symptoms go away. Or every now & then I feel maybe slight improvement than I just go right back to the same symptoms over again.

 

And sure, I really enjoy feeling like this. I feel great waking up everyday knowing that I get to wake up to all my problems all over again. Of course I enjoy all of it. It's an amazing feeling.

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You know the green stuff from your threat originates from your sinuses, right? It drains down and catches in your throat, then you hack it up. It's called post nasal drip.

 

Nip it where it starts. Your head produces two quarts of mucus every day. Thin it out by irrigation, or start gargling with warm salt water. Better yet, do both. They are both tried and true, harmless remedies.

 

Oh, drink a lot of water and cut down on dairy products.

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You know the green stuff from your threat originates from your sinuses, right? It drains down and catches in your throat, then you hack it up. It's called post nasal drip.

 

Nip it where it starts. Your head produces two quarts of mucus every day. Thin it out by irrigation, or start gargling with warm salt water. Better yet, do both. They are both tried and true, harmless remedies.

 

Oh, drink a lot of water and cut down on dairy products.

 

I drink a lot of water. Probably 4 or 5 16oz bottles a day on average.

 

I just feel my jaw or whatever it is is causing this mucus problem where something is out of place in my joints that's causing it. I've researched TMJ issues for a long time & this mucus/phlegm problem has happened to others as well. I also wore my night guard again last night again after not using it for awhile & I felt the clicking/popping sounds to be way worse. I just am beyond confused to the point that it's crazy that I can't figure out what the issue is. Doctors are of no help & I don't know if I'm going to bother going back to any other doctor about this again since the same thing repeats over & over. It's either they give me antibiotics or say there's nothing wrong with me or flat out say they don't know what they can do for me. I feel I have to figure it out on my own somehow.

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Whether the mucus thing is related to TMJ, I can't say. It doesn't seem likely. I have TMJ. EVERYONE has mucus/phlegm, which is probably why docs are dismissing you.

 

Regardless, I've given you advice on how to deal with the mucus. Or, you're right, you can figure it out on your own.

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You might of misunderstood. The green stuff is coming from my throat not my nose. And I don't cough it up, I just spit it up randomly. It's like I'll randomly feel something stuck in my throat than green stuff squirts up that I have to spit out. No one knows what it is even when I told a bunch of doctors about it. Than they look at me like I'm crazy. I'm just frustrated beyond belief at this rate. My life is pretty much ruined & it's likely this is permanent since none of my symptoms go away. Or every now & then I feel maybe slight improvement than I just go right back to the same symptoms over again.

 

And sure, I really enjoy feeling like this. I feel great waking up everyday knowing that I get to wake up to all my problems all over again. Of course I enjoy all of it. It's an amazing feeling.

 

No. MW is right, you have a sinus infection and nasal drip.

It's very unlikely linked to your jaw.

But ear popping/clicking and sloshing sounds is linked to overuse of painkillers.

It's likely you have had several small courses of anti-biotics (because I suspect you do not go back to your doc once the course is almost done and you are not better). so you have likely had several does of ant0bios which never worked because you have made yourself immune to them by your non- action.

If you are coughing green stuff that is infected and infections do not just go away.

I feel the irrigation seems like too much effort for you and would be a fast fix and you seem to enjoy having issues so instead go for long term - which will incur more ear issues - sinus tablets. This did work for me at one stage but it was a long haul. Not pleasant. Plus very expensive.,

You need to give them 6 months and they will cost you.

 

You have to give things time or revisit.

You have what 20 pages of advice here and you have so far tried magnesium supplements for - a week!!??

 

Are you serious at all??!!!

What on earth do your parents think of all this?

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At the risk sounding harsh again, it seems i was right. A lot of short-term half arsed attempts at something but nothing done consistently over the long term. I'm not sure how many times people need to reiterate this for you NJ but it's true.....

 

There are NO quick fixes for your problems. They all require effort, consistency and longterm commitment. The reality is, you will probably have to do ALL of the things suggested for a year or more consistently before you start to feel better.

 

But as you seem to give up a week into just one thing, I'm beginning to doubt you possess the agency to actually help yourself. That's fine as long as you understand that you will probably end up 40, living with your parents, never had a relationship and still in a dead end job and possibly still complaining about how you feel bad. No-one else can fix this except you. Not your parents, not a Dr, not the good people on the internet.

 

You are the only one who can physically get up out of your chair, away from your computer and do all the things necessary to fix your own issues. I hope for your own sake that one day, you do indeed do that.

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No. MW is right, you have a sinus infection and nasal drip.

It's very unlikely linked to your jaw.

But ear popping/clicking and sloshing sounds is linked to overuse of painkillers.

It's likely you have had several small courses of anti-biotics (because I suspect you do not go back to your doc once the course is almost done and you are not better). so you have likely had several does of ant0bios which never worked because you have made yourself immune to them by your non- action.

If you are coughing green stuff that is infected and infections do not just go away.

I feel the irrigation seems like too much effort for you and would be a fast fix and you seem to enjoy having issues so instead go for long term - which will incur more ear issues - sinus tablets. This did work for me at one stage but it was a long haul. Not pleasant. Plus very expensive.,

You need to give them 6 months and they will cost you.

 

You have to give things time or revisit.

You have what 20 pages of advice here and you have so far tried magnesium supplements for - a week!!??

 

Are you serious at all??!!!

What on earth do your parents think of all this?

 

How is it possible for me to have a sinus infection for years straight? Wouldn't the antibiotics have done anything at all for me if that was the case? And I've rarely used any painkillers except for when I went to an oral surgeon 2 years ago & he gave me muscle relaxer meds. Those did nothing at all. And the clicking/popping was happening before I ever took the painkillers.

 

And I've already explained I don't cough at all. It literally just feels like my throat has something stuck in it randomly than I have to spit up the green stuff.

 

Also, I went to the gym regularly for many months straight for 4-5x a week at one point & that did absolutely nothing for me either. I'm going to continue taking the supplements but I just don't feel they're even going to do anything for me like I predicted.

 

And my parents don't know what's wrong either. My Mom always just states that it's a mystery about what my issue is.

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At the risk sounding harsh again, it seems i was right. A lot of short-term half arsed attempts at something but nothing done consistently over the long term. I'm not sure how many times people need to reiterate this for you NJ but it's true.....

 

There are NO quick fixes for your problems. They all require effort, consistency and longterm commitment. The reality is, you will probably have to do ALL of the things suggested for a year or more consistently before you start to feel better.

 

But as you seem to give up a week into just one thing, I'm beginning to doubt you possess the agency to actually help yourself. That's fine as long as you understand that you will probably end up 40, living with your parents, never had a relationship and still in a dead end job and possibly still complaining about how you feel bad. No-one else can fix this except you. Not your parents, not a Dr, not the good people on the internet.

 

You are the only one who can physically get up out of your chair, away from your computer and do all the things necessary to fix your own issues. I hope for your own sake that one day, you do indeed do that.

 

I didn't give up taking the supplements. I'm going to continue taking them everyday but I just don't know if they'll do anything to help at all. And maybe so, I'm at the point now where I gave up on meeting anyone. I deleted all the dating apps & surprisingly it's helped quite a bit of not worrying much about wanting a girlfriend too much anymore. Maybe I'm meant to be alone. There's lots of people that never meet anyone, and it's possible I could be one of them.

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I'm going to continue taking the supplements but I just don't feel they're even going to do anything for me like I predicted.

 

 

And there's the heart of your problem.

 

You give up before you start, and in the case of your sinuses, you won't even start! To add to what Gemma said, I'll say that green doesn't necessarily mean infection, that's something of a myth. It just means the junk's been caught in your throat fermenting to a nice shade of pea green.

 

Irrigate.

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And there's the heart of your problem.

 

You give up before you start, and in the case of your sinuses, you won't even start! To add to what Gemma said, I'll say that green doesn't necessarily mean infection, that's something of a myth. It just means the junk's been caught in your throat fermenting to a nice shade of pea green.

 

Irrigate.

 

You both seem to keep ignoring that I don't cough the stuff up at all. It pretty much literally squirts up out of my throat after I feel something stuck in my throat randomly. I don't have a cough at all or anything. I don't have a stuffy nose, no allergies etc. So that's why this is all so confusing. And why does it stay green after all this time though? I repeatedly told my previous doctor that I was spitting up green stuff & he wasn't concerned at all about it thinking it was nothing. The people at that place literally thought I was crazy that I had to leave that place & go to the doctor I'm at now.

 

And what am I supposed to pretend it's going to work wonders for me than act like it's working like a placebo? And I did start. I already told you I went to dozens upon dozens of different doctors in the past to try to fix myself. I went to an allergist even & I did all the testing. I wasn't allergic to anything. Than all he did was give me nasal spray afterwards thinking that would maybe help & it didn't do anything for me in terms of my symptoms.

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I'm not ignoring anything. If it didn't 'squirt' up on it's own, you'd need to bring it up. People have been hacking up loogies since the beginning of time. You've never seen anyone lay a good one on the sidewalk in front of you? Do you watch baseball?

 

But if you want to cut down on their occurrence, you'd thin your secretions by irrigating or gargling, regardless of allergy or infection status. There's nothing wrong with your sinuses, and that crap would drain down your throat if it was thinned out.

 

 

Loogie: a large slimy glob of spit, mixed with nose snot (that would give the green color), that is formed by coughing up and hacking what's in your throat. Cooks in restaurants are notorius for making secret deposits on patrons food. I'll take a cheeseburger ...

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I'm not ignoring anything. If it didn't 'squirt' up on it's own, you'd need to bring it up. People have been hacking up loogies since the beginning of time. You've never seen anyone lay a good one on the sidewalk in front of you? Do you watch baseball?

 

But if you want to cut down on their occurrence, you'd thin your secretions by irrigating or gargling, regardless of allergy or infection status. There's nothing wrong with your sinuses, and that crap would drain down your throat if it was thinned out.

 

 

Loogie: a large slimy glob of spit, mixed with nose snot (that would give the green color), that is formed by coughing up and hacking what's in your throat. Cooks in restaurants are notorius for making secret deposits on patrons food. I'll take a cheeseburger ...

 

But I've never had this problem before all these symptoms started. I just feel it must be connected in some way with my face issues. When I move the muscles on the right side of my face I can feel a muscle or something near my ear to be really weird & hurts a bit. Something is definitely wrong somewhere though. I also still have those weird lymph nodes that I had testing on about 2 years ago. Turned out they weren't cancerous or anything luckily but they don't go down. They're right on or right near the bottom of my right jawline.

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Stop thinking the issues are connected, and address the green stuff. Maybe resolving one thing will give you hope. I don't know what else to tell you.

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I didn't give up taking the supplements. I'm going to continue taking them everyday but I just don't know if they'll do anything to help at all. And maybe so, I'm at the point now where I gave up on meeting anyone. I deleted all the dating apps & surprisingly it's helped quite a bit of not worrying much about wanting a girlfriend too much anymore. Maybe I'm meant to be alone. There's lots of people that never meet anyone, and it's possible I could be one of them.

 

I'm not even referring to your relationship status. Your problems run deeper than that. I'm talking primarily about your depression and anxiety, job status and living situation. Realistically relationships aren't even going to be on the map for you until you deal with all that stuff first. But it doesn't really matter which of these things I'm talking about because you're basically doing zip about all of them. Just look at what it took for you to order and take something as simple as supplements for goodness sake. Anyone would think we're asking you to amputate a limb.

 

I'm with the others. You appear to be dramatising what are simple and normal bodily functions in order to convince yourself that you have some kind of mysterious malady that stops you from doing anything at all. Maybe this is why Dr's are looking at you like you've got two heads? They've spent 6 years studying the body and yet some guy who has no knowledge at all is telling them they're all wrong and insisting it's something more than that.

 

Granted occasionally Dr's have got it wrong. But you've been to a string of them, had every known test and all they can find is that you are an otherwise healthy person with depression and anxiety. Maybe it really is anxiety. Psychosomatic illness is a real phenomena, so much so that one man actually gave himself ALL the symptoms of MS, including progressive degeneration. No Dr's nor even an MS specialist could convince him that actually his nerves work perfectly normally and he has zero indicators in his body of the disease. The guy was in a wheelchair by this stage. But this specialist was adamant. His nerves responded normally to all the MS tests. His problem was 100% psychological and he needed to seek treatment for that. This guy had spent years researching MS and had convinced himself he had it. Despite numerous Dr's, specialists, tests etc indicating that he didn't.

 

Here' some reading on the subject....

 

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/hypochondria-and-psychosomatic-illness/6866448

 

Skip the bit about hypochondria, that's a separate thing which I don't think pertains to you so much. No-ones saying your symptoms aren't real, but what I am saying is they may not be physically based. Psychosomatic illness is frequently the result of emotional trauma. I was convinced I had a heart condition. I was frequently in the ER with symptoms of one. It took 6 months of therapy to realise that it was psychosomatic. When I last did a stress test (checking for heart blockage) it was discovered i have the cardiac fitness of an athlete and definitely no blockage. I had no irregular heart rhythms and my BP never went above 90/50 even when I was jogging on the treadmill! My resting heart rate can get as low as 36/40 bpm. All indicators of perfect health, in fact better health than most people my age.

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How is it possible for me to have a sinus infection for years straight? Wouldn't the antibiotics have done anything at all for me if that was the case? And I've rarely used any painkillers except for when I went to an oral surgeon 2 years ago & he gave me muscle relaxer meds. Those did nothing at all. And the clicking/popping was happening before I ever took the painkillers.

 

And I've already explained I don't cough at all. It literally just feels like my throat has something stuck in it randomly than I have to spit up the green stuff.

 

Also, I went to the gym regularly for many months straight for 4-5x a week at one point & that did absolutely nothing for me either. I'm going to continue taking the supplements but I just don't feel they're even going to do anything for me like I predicted.

 

And my parents don't know what's wrong either. My Mom always just states that it's a mystery about what my issue is.

 

An infection can stick around for years if not treated - whether it's an infection or not though - you're not doing anything about it.

It doesn't matter if your nose isn't blocked, if gumk finds itself in your throat then it's coming from your sinuses so irrigate them like Midwest suggested!!

 

For your jaw I would suggest trigger point therapy - I use it myself and it's brilliant but it's something you have to learn, do for yourself and keep doing. -so there's no point explaining it as you won't try it.

I agree with Buddhist.

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I'm not even referring to your relationship status. Your problems run deeper than that. I'm talking primarily about your depression and anxiety, job status and living situation. Realistically relationships aren't even going to be on the map for you until you deal with all that stuff first. But it doesn't really matter which of these things I'm talking about because you're basically doing zip about all of them. Just look at what it took for you to order and take something as simple as supplements for goodness sake. Anyone would think we're asking you to amputate a limb.

 

I'm with the others. You appear to be dramatising what are simple and normal bodily functions in order to convince yourself that you have some kind of mysterious malady that stops you from doing anything at all. Maybe this is why Dr's are looking at you like you've got two heads? They've spent 6 years studying the body and yet some guy who has no knowledge at all is telling them they're all wrong and insisting it's something more than that.

 

Granted occasionally Dr's have got it wrong. But you've been to a string of them, had every known test and all they can find is that you are an otherwise healthy person with depression and anxiety. Maybe it really is anxiety. Psychosomatic illness is a real phenomena, so much so that one man actually gave himself ALL the symptoms of MS, including progressive degeneration. No Dr's nor even an MS specialist could convince him that actually his nerves work perfectly normally and he has zero indicators in his body of the disease. The guy was in a wheelchair by this stage. But this specialist was adamant. His nerves responded normally to all the MS tests. His problem was 100% psychological and he needed to seek treatment for that. This guy had spent years researching MS and had convinced himself he had it. Despite numerous Dr's, specialists, tests etc indicating that he didn't.

 

Here' some reading on the subject....

 

Hypochondria and psychosomatic illness: explaining a very real imaginary problem - All In The Mind - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

Skip the bit about hypochondria, that's a separate thing which I don't think pertains to you so much. No-ones saying your symptoms aren't real, but what I am saying is they may not be physically based. Psychosomatic illness is frequently the result of emotional trauma. I was convinced I had a heart condition. I was frequently in the ER with symptoms of one. It took 6 months of therapy to realise that it was psychosomatic. When I last did a stress test (checking for heart blockage) it was discovered i have the cardiac fitness of an athlete and definitely no blockage. I had no irregular heart rhythms and my BP never went above 90/50 even when I was jogging on the treadmill! My resting heart rate can get as low as 36/40 bpm. All indicators of perfect health, in fact better health than most people my age.

 

I have literal burning in my head & face that seems to be affecting my nervous system/nerves in some way. It's possible it was caused by stress maybe, but not stressing out doesn't seem to fix it. So I don't know what I'm supposed to do to get rid of my symptoms. I might have to just start forcing myself to do things since it doesn't seem this will ever go away. I just really dislike the fact that I'll maybe never be 100% normal/healthy again most likely. It makes me feel bitter & angry that others get to be healthy while I have to struggle everyday. Not that I have any ill will towards anyone, but I just want something that I'm supposed to have which is being healthy yet I can't even have that in this life.

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An infection can stick around for years if not treated - whether it's an infection or not though - you're not doing anything about it.

It doesn't matter if your nose isn't blocked, if gumk finds itself in your throat then it's coming from your sinuses so irrigate them like Midwest suggested!!

 

For your jaw I would suggest trigger point therapy - I use it myself and it's brilliant but it's something you have to learn, do for yourself and keep doing. -so there's no point explaining it as you won't try it.

I agree with Buddhist.

 

Than how come antibiotics never worked if I have a real infection? I've literally been on antibiotics like 5 times over the past few years to try to fix this yet they never fix the issue. I mean why do doctors keep prescribing me antibiotics if they never do anything for me?

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