A vast sea of men not looking for work

[LookAtThisPOst]

Wasn't quite sure where put this, figured the "In Search of.." would be appropriate considering how women are coming across men who are unemployed or unemployed.

 

But 7 million men between the age of "25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work."?!

 

Not even looking? Why so many?

 

 

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-working-class-men-turn-their-backs-on-work/

Edited September 5, 2016 by LookAtThisPOst

[stillafool]

Who is supporting these men financially? I think it's laziness.

[JuneJulySeptember]

Wasn't quite sure where put this, figured the "In Search of.." would be appropriate considering how women are coming across men who are unemployed or unemployed.

 

But 7 million men between the age of "25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work."?!

 

Not even looking? Why so many?

 

 

Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work  - The Conservative Woman

 

Numbers thrown around by a random article with questionable sources is meaningless.

 

Though I personally do not know any men who live off their spouse (without childcare duties), I see nothing wrong with it seeing as how women do it somewhat regularly. I know three off the top of my head who do, and they live rather well.

 

I know a number of men who are SAHF and that is completely different.

 

As for living off of your parents for eternity, hey you only live once, if your parents don't mind and have the resources, then more power to you enjoying your life.

 

I do know a couple of men who somehow live off a combination of disability and/or social assistance, and you don't really have enough money to go anywhere or do anything. If they are happy, then more power to them.

 

Personally, I am jealous of people who get their living costs paid for. Although you can bet I wouldn't be sitting on my arse if I was in that situation. I'd be working, but not at the day job I got now...

[LookAtThisPOst]

Numbers thrown around by a random article with questionable sources is meaningless.

 

Though I personally do not know any men who live off their spouse (without childcare duties), I see nothing wrong with it seeing as how women do it somewhat regularly. I know three off the top of my head who do, and they live rather well.

 

I know a number of men who are SAHF and that is completely different.

 

As for living off of your parents for eternity, hey you only live once, if your parents don't mind and have the resources, then more power to you enjoying your life.

 

I do know a couple of men who somehow live off a combination of disability and/or social assistance, and you don't really have enough money to go anywhere or do anything. If they are happy, then more power to them.

 

Personally, I am jealous of people who get their living costs paid for. Although you can bet I wouldn't be sitting on my arse if I was in that situation. I'd be working, but not at the day job I got now...

 

Actually, I've found this published to several sites.

 

 

Well, it looks like the tables are turning as more women enter college and the workforce while housewives are going obsolete as we now are getting more house husbands.

[NJ123]

Actually, I've found this published to several sites.

 

 

Well, it looks like the tables are turning as more women enter college and the workforce while housewives are going obsolete as we now are getting more house husbands.

 

The problem with that is most women are turned off by that to begin with since they want a guy that's deemed ambitious instead of just sitting around the house. I suppose if they have kids & she's making a lot more than the guy, but most women likely want the guy to be working if they have no kids than to just sit around doing nothing around the house.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

 

But 7 million men between the age of "25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work."?!

 

Not even looking? Why so many?

 

 

 

Because Obama wanted it that way.

 

He had to classify such people in a new, special category, in order so that he could remove their numbers from the ranks of the (merely) unemployed... to alter the figures used to mislead those who would document his image.

[preraph]

There's a whole culture out there who lives by stealing from other people and getting a welfare check for all their babies, men and women. Then there's the new batch who plan on living with their mom the rest of their lives so they can just play video games.

[GunslingerRoland]

That isn't very specific, nor is it very meaningful without historical context on that statistic.

 

 

Could it be an increase in 40-54 year olds who are retired? Or people doing off the books jobs? While it sounds like a great headline to imagine that 12% of men are sitting at home on welfare playing video games, I hardly think that lines up with reality.

[BlueIris]

Because Obama wanted it that way.

 

He had to classify such people in a new, special category, in order so that he could remove their numbers from the ranks of the (merely) unemployed... to alter the figures used to mislead those who would document his image.

 

It's possible that the "It's not MY fault. It's someone else's fault. I'm a victim" mindset is contributing to it.

[SoThatHappened]

Why work when you can leach off of society?

 

Why give 1/3rd of your money to the government when they're just using it to support sloth?

 

Seriously? I ask these questions myself as I turn in 60-hour weeks and get stressed to the max while d-bags smoke weed and churn out babies... on my dime.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Those are the exact men I talk about that I see a huge number of on OLD

[basil67]

Doing the math here: 7,000,000 out of a population of 324,000,000. That's about 2.1% of the population who are not interested in finding work. Two people in every hundred.

 

That's not a "vast sea" - it's a very small minority.

[BlueIris]

NPR had a segment about the same topic today:

An Economic Mystery: Why Are Men Leaving The Workforce? : NPR

 

It said 11.7% of men 25-54 years old are not working. It also said that only 5% of that group are caregivers for children compared to 40% of women who aren't in the workforce.

Edited September 7, 2016 by BlueIris

[thefooloftheyear]

I have a friend of mine that left his wife in his 40s and remarried a 30 year old when he was 52...He was a life long business owner, that had enough...His kids were pretty much on their own when he remarried..

 

So he got out, and now sits at home.....tends to little bs stuff around the house..Runs errands, takes care of the dog, etc...

 

Dont remember what she does, but brings home a nice salary....So there you go...

 

Its not something id ever do...I actually like to work and wouldn't want to be put in a position where someone else was taking care of my financial needs...That would kill me..

 

But good for him and good for the other guys....If it works for them, more power to them..

 

TFY

[LookAtThisPOst]

I have a friend of mine that left his wife in his 40s and remarried a 30 year old when he was 52...He was a life long business owner, that had enough...His kids were pretty much on their own when he remarried..

 

So he got out, and now sits at home.....tends to little bs stuff around the house..Runs errands, takes care of the dog, etc...

 

Dont remember what she does, but brings home a nice salary....So there you go...

 

Its not something id ever do...I actually like to work and wouldn't want to be put in a position where someone else was taking care of my financial needs...That would kill me..

 

But good for him and good for the other guys....If it works for them, more power to them..

 

TFY

 

Right, there are some people that have saved up enough money to cut out of the workforce early or at least take a couple years off from it.

 

They were probably single for a while, so weren't spending too much money on dates either. LOL.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I have a friend who is in his early 30's and does just that. He collects a check because he has a daughter, and him, his GF, and his daughter all live with his mommy. He spends much of the gubernment money he gets on new Xbox One games. He has no intentions of ever getting a job.

 

This is interesting, I've seen this before, but apparently the G/F doesn't have a deal breaker of a guy living with his mom.

 

Even THESE guys attract women. lol

[basil67]

This is interesting, I've seen this before, but apparently the G/F doesn't have a deal breaker of a guy living with his mom.

 

Even THESE guys attract women. lol

 

Not that interesting - like does attract like

[Miss Peach]

Sadly I keep running into more and more men who like to mooch off others, like to be underemployed, or are always moving from crazy idea to crazy idea.

[GemmaUK]

Wasn't quite sure where put this, figured the "In Search of.." would be appropriate considering how women are coming across men who are unemployed or unemployed.

 

But 7 million men between the age of "25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work."?!

 

Not even looking? Why so many?

 

 

Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work  - The Conservative Woman

 

 

I spotted your thread earlier this week, knew I had to reply.

 

I see various reasons in this thread about the why of a guy not working and not looking but from my experience no one man yet has been retired already.

 

On OLD is where I have mostly met or been acquainted with the following types and it baffles me!!

This has all been from chatting on OLD, meeting for OLD type events, an actual date and also from a dreadful salsa class I once went to for the dancing - not for the men!

 

I know a good batch (by good I mean a good amount - not just one or two - we're talking 40 or 50) who are in their 30's, 40's 50's who stick by the following:

 

They will look for a job - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will look for a job they like - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will dream about their ambitions - but only once they are in a relationship.

 

They will consider their living situation and think about moving to somewhere of their own or moving out of their parents house - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will consider exercising and eating healthily to lose the belly - once they are dating.

 

They will consider getting some new clothes - once they are dating.

 

They usually buy something new for a first date so as not to turn up a scruff - when they get a first date.

 

They will get a haircut - once they know they have a first date.

 

They will shave - once they know they have a first date.

 

There are many men out there sad to say who only do the minimums when there is a prospect of a date.

A good proportion actually don't barely look after themselves or their lives and just wait for a woman to come along before they do anything.

It's skewed IMO! Not only that but they say it all and some point or another!!

 

I'm not even going as far as talking about addictions here and sorting those - but again - it's all only a 'thing to do' once they find a woman.

 

It's sad!

 

Going on OLD these days is kinda unreal - tonnes of messages - not a lot to respond to and by the time you find all this out there's not one left to meet! Lol!

[carhill]

Ha, ha, reading the topic I was reminded of my trips to Africa where I'd come across villagers where the guys were all sitting around talking and drinking and the women were busy working in the huts.

 

Reading the title of the thread and reflecting on how the statistics are gathered, I guess it kinda makes sense. They can only quantify those who are available to quantify. Those of us who are off the grid can't be put into a database field. There are a lot of us. Reading the topic, I was thinking of the group of men not looking for work who made a handsome living, tax-free, off of the property they stole from one of my properties, property I had acquired through work having nothing to do with employment, since I haven't looked for work in the sense of the database in nearly 3 decades. I cracked up when looking at my credit report this week and it still showed my 'most recent employer' as the oldfield services company I worked for back in my 20's, a company that hasn't existed for decades. Yet the unemployed guy still has an excellent credit rating and over a quarter mil in credit available to use. Funny how things work out.

 

OK, time to head out to the shop and do some more non-work. You know, my exW never stopped by the shop while we were married. I guess she didn't think it was work either. Perception is reality. Enjoy the statistics.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I spotted your thread earlier this week, knew I had to reply.

 

I see various reasons in this thread about the why of a guy not working and not looking but from my experience no one man yet has been retired already.

 

On OLD is where I have mostly met or been acquainted with the following types and it baffles me!!

This has all been from chatting on OLD, meeting for OLD type events, an actual date and also from a dreadful salsa class I once went to for the dancing - not for the men!

 

I know a good batch (by good I mean a good amount - not just one or two - we're talking 40 or 50) who are in their 30's, 40's 50's who stick by the following:

 

They will look for a job - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will look for a job they like - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will dream about their ambitions - but only once they are in a relationship.

 

They will consider their living situation and think about moving to somewhere of their own or moving out of their parents house - once they are in a relationship.

 

They will consider exercising and eating healthily to lose the belly - once they are dating.

 

They will consider getting some new clothes - once they are dating.

 

They usually buy something new for a first date so as not to turn up a scruff - when they get a first date.

 

They will get a haircut - once they know they have a first date.

 

They will shave - once they know they have a first date.

 

There are many men out there sad to say who only do the minimums when there is a prospect of a date.

A good proportion actually don't barely look after themselves or their lives and just wait for a woman to come along before they do anything.

It's skewed IMO! Not only that but they say it all and some point or another!!

 

I'm not even going as far as talking about addictions here and sorting those - but again - it's all only a 'thing to do' once they find a woman.

 

It's sad!

 

Going on OLD these days is kinda unreal - tonnes of messages - not a lot to respond to and by the time you find all this out there's not one left to meet! Lol!

 

 

They've actually said this to you? Sounds like they say it...and without shame either. It's baffling.

 

I mean, I have been down that road of long term unemployment myself after a lay off from a company...it happens, but at least i was applying and interviewing...though, I wasn't getting hired, a friend eventually hooked me up with a job...didn't really even interviewed...just filled out the tax paperwork and was hired.

 

I mean, times are hard, but at least make an effort? lol.

 

But I was wondering if there was some kind of connection between THAT and dating. Of course, with articles like that, is there more to the story?

 

Believe it or not, I have a female friend that is over 50 and had to move back in with 80-something mother...she just couldn't afford living on her own anymore with the part-time work she was doing.

 

When she was living on her own, all she was during the school year was a teaching asst. and during the summer, cleaned houses...and it wasn't with a cleaning service either.

 

I think she fell into all that because she was a housewife all her life, nothing more...and she divorced...and started doing those jobs I just spoke of.

 

But, men however, don't have a problem with this...*shrug* go figure...double standards because she's a pretty face? lol

 

Now, she is rather modest and not flashy....and she won't just date anyone. She's rather humble, but she tells me she gets asked out a lot...and even if they know of her living situation, to a man it doesn't matter.

 

She even had a male dentist offer to help her get back on her feet. He offered to let him borrow his car. Although, I think he had an ulterior motive to get her to be his g/f though. But she wasn't that desperate. lol

[LookAtThisPOst]

I have an interesting story, though it involved a man in his early 20's attempting to date. He didn't have a car, he was working part time, but was trying to find better work as he was a Masters degree graduate.

 

Dating was hard for him, because he wasn't one of "those" kids where the parent bought him his gar as a HS graduation present. So dating was tough, and the women of course, got their cars from their parents on their sweet 16 or HS graduation.

 

Those women wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole once they found out he didn't have a car. He eventually got a better job and earned enough for a car and got a car.

 

But he was saying, he found it funny how it's not HOW you got to be in that situation (without a car), as the only thing that mattered...to the women...is that you HAD a car.

 

Not HOW you had or why you didn't have a car. It was irrelevant, you were considered a looser regardless if your parents bought you one or not.

 

I mean, you can't say to the woman, "Well, your parents BOUGHT you YOUR car, so just because my parents didn't buy mine...it's a deal breaker for anyway?"

 

Does that make those women shallow or superficial because if they heard him out, they would think, "Oh, okay your parents didn't buy you a car...I'll drive!"?

 

Likely not to happen.

[LookAtThisPOst]

Reading the topic, I was thinking of the group of men not looking for work who made a handsome living, tax-free, off of the property they stole from one of my properties, property I had acquired through work having nothing to do with employment, since I haven't looked for work in the sense of the database in nearly 3 decades. I cracked up when looking at my credit report this week and it still showed my 'most recent employer' as the oldfield services company I worked for back in my 20's, a company that hasn't existed for decades. Yet the unemployed guy still has an excellent credit rating and over a quarter mil in credit available to use. Funny how things work out.

 

Yeah, more to the story.

 

Also, some of these men probably socked away enough money to take some time off, ya know?

 

There's more to the story for each individual man.

[LookAtThisPOst]

Yet the unemployed guy still has an excellent credit rating and over a quarter mil in credit available to use. Funny how things work out.

 

OK, time to head out to the shop and do some more non-work. You know, my exW never stopped by the shop while we were married. I guess she didn't think it was work either. Perception is reality. Enjoy the statistics.

 

Thing on the excellent credit rating. I've seen dudes in their mid 20s giving the ILLUSION they are wealthy buy LEASING a sports car, buying those Ray-Bans and nice suits ALL on credit, but...in the mean time, he's racking up CC debt big time.

 

Should that guy or even if it's a woman, get married, they'll take their spouses down with them if their spouses aren't aware that their future partner has some skeletons of serious debt going on.

 

Note to self: Find out your future partner's credit standing.

 

Yeah, you'll get that, too. Women or people who think that what you do isn't "real" work.

 

I recall an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where his housewife was nagging her husband who is a police officer to keep studying the books so he could become a police sergeant and thus get a pay raise. It was like having a 2nd boss at home.

 

Maybe the dude is happy with what he's making, yes?

[carhill]

Yeah, more to the story.

Yep, people are more than statistics but I do get the security that being statistically advantageous provides. All else being equal, a guy who meets society standards for employment and income and assets will win the mating game. That's fair.

 

Also, some of these men probably socked away enough money to take some time off, ya know?

Maybe, maybe not. I tend to be like that biker guy in Erin Brockovich..... work in spurts, get paid really well when working, then do other stuff, whether travel, personal projects, community service, helping friends, whatever. That doesn't meet the standard of steady employment and steady employment is attractive, in my demographic anyway. It (steady employment) also helps out with a consistent statistical contribution.

 

There's more to the story for each individual man.

I would opine that's pretty gender neutral but men are often viewed as their job, and often define themselves by their job more so than women are/do so perception drives some of the dynamic. I'm bearing in mind that this article is regarding 'working class men', men my generation usually referred to as 'blue collar' because we wore (I still do) blues, coveralls, etc.

 

The postal employee who just delivered my weekly groceries and heater core for the truck from Amazon has definable employment. A 'job'. The guy who bought the stuff, not so much. Life in America.