Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by tiki But some women feel that way about a TV, swear2ga. Well then she must be prety blind. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by millefiori What? I'm a docile housewife, I never argue. Nothing wrong with arguing. It's how you argue. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Well then she must be prety blind. But atleast she's pretty. No but really, some women would consider men 'blind' of the same things. It's all part of women and men's hardwire. It's okay to not be alike. That's why women and men mold so well. There's a true beauty to it in there somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by tiki But atleast she's pretty. No but really, some women would consider men 'blind' of the same things. It's all part of women and men's hardwire. It's okay to not be alike. That's why women and men mold so well. There's a true beauty to it in there somewhere. Some women know their electronics. When I go to best buy I see women working there. The point is that spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive handbag is is pointless. Both handbags are probably made in the same sKorean sweatshop but since one has Donna Karen written on it it costs a fortune. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Some women know their electronics. When I go to best buy I see women working there. The point is that spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive handbag is is pointless. Both handbags are probably made in the same sKorean sweatshop but since one has Donna Karen written on it it costs a fortune. But you're arguing the same point is what I'm trying to tell you. "The point is that spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive handbag is is pointless." But is spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive television is is pointless? Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Men love to believe women come out better off after divorce. Statistics consistently show that women's financial situations worsen considerably after divorce. I'm getting bored with all the mysogynistic men in this forum.... Sadly, their number is legion. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by moimeme Men love to believe women come out better off after divorce. Statistics consistently show that women's financial situations worsen considerably after divorce. Sadly, their number is legion. Then why do women file 75% of divorces? Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Then why do women file 75% of divorces? Cuz you guys won't quit making fun of our handbags. Even though you've got the over-rated HDTV. Link to post Share on other sites
millefiori Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Then why do women file 75% of divorces? Because it's better to be alone and live in poverty than living with a man who makes your life miserable. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by millefiori Because it's better to be alone and live in poverty than living with a man who makes your life miserable. Amen sista! Preach it! Link to post Share on other sites
Grinning Maniac Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Sorry, then go out and make more money if you can. Are you bitter, because you have such a lousy job and that's why you can't find any acceptable woman anymore, because all the woman make more money than you do? That is maybe a blow to your self-esteem, but sweetie, this has nothing to do with mean women, that's a problem you have. Most men will still get more money than a woman when they're doing the same job. The fact that she earns more money than you indicates what? So, you want a successful woman. Are you successful that you're allowed to make such demands? This whole thread is a long whining rant of men who can't get their **** together and believe they're sososooo great. Some people work hard to be successful and why should they not expect their partner to excel as well? Why should women not expect man to be more successful? Given the fact that they often have better chances in the business world a man with the same abilities as a woman should get farther. I'm pretty much convinced that men who whine about women and who criticize them for looking for men with equal success have no spine, no success at work, horrible social skills and instincts and worst of all - do nothing against it. They blame others for their inadequacies, they fail to actively look for solutions and they are just so depressing and that's why they lack friends and girlfriends. Rant over. Worst. Rant. Ever. I guess you missed the huge hole in your argument. Pardon me while I back my truck through it. Why should women not expect man to be more successful? Given the fact that they often have better chances in the business world a man with the same abilities as a woman should get farther. How's this for a reason? BECAUSE WOMEN SAY THEY WANT EQUALITY!!!! You can't have it both ways you dope! Women whine for decades about how UNFAIR it is that men make more money and how they want more opportunities and blahblahblah....then when they actually start making money, suddenly they want a man to make MORE? How stupid is that? If you want a man to make more money than you, then you've pretty much undermined that whole "equality" thing that used to be so big. Go sit in the corner, mille. No questions, just go. If love and marriage has nothing to do with money, then why are you so interested in a man being equally or more successful than you? Shouldn't you marry someone or love someone, based on who they are? It's amazing how many inconsistancies pop up with this sort of thing. Let's play with some more of them, shall we? Are you bitter, because you have such a lousy job and that's why you can't find any acceptable woman anymore, because all the woman make more money than you do? Men should *sympathize* with women when they make less money, yet as shown above (and abroad), women can rightfully *belittle* men when they make less money than they do. Let that marinate in your head for awhile...then drink some bleach. Women are becoming the same a-holes they claimed us to be. Enjoy the tragic irony. This is not a thread of men whining about women making more money. It's a thread of men complaining about the idiotic and constantly flip-flopping double standards we go through. You just proved one of them. Thanks for that. PS: To answer an earlier question, NO I would not have less respect for a women who couldn't hold a job for a long period of time. Unless she's constantly trying to get a hand out from me, then why would I? Her job would not define her. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by millefiori Because it's better to be alone and live in poverty than living with a man who makes your life miserable. So given the fact that women file most divorces and most of the time it is because she needs to find herself or something what reason is there for a man to marry? There is none. Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Men and yes even women get married for a lot of the same reasons they have always had. Unfortunately many of the reasons people give for getting married do not support them being married for a long time. Some people that get married aren't ready for marriage because they refuse to accept the truth. The number one cause of failure in anything including relationships and marriage is the failure to, or the inability to accept reality. Both genders can be guilty of ignoring relationship warning signs in favor of an irrational faith in hope, potential and expectation. Intimacy isn't just about exchanging body fluids. Sometimes the truth hurts and sometimes you might actually love someone only to find that you can't be in a relationship with them let alone be married to them. Love alone, is not a good reason get married. If there is anyone at all to blame for two people getting married and then divorced it is the two people involved. Maybe they find it much easier to lie and carry on like everything is fine (just fine) or look to a resolution after getting married rather than confront and resolve potential deal breakers before getting married. Getting married while deceiving yourself or your sig. other is like being addicted to drinking two quarts of scotch daily, you know it isn't good for you but you hope against all odds for a miracle and that this time it will be different. De nile ain't just a river in Egypt. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Women are becoming the same a-holes they claimed us to be. Enjoy the tragic irony. . So true. Women think that by emulating the worst steretypes in men it will empower them. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Grinning Maniac Women are becoming the same a-holes they claimed us to be. Enjoy the tragic irony. It's Sex and the City's fault! Link to post Share on other sites
Grinning Maniac Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 But you're arguing the same point is what I'm trying to tell you. "The point is that spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive handbag is is pointless." But is spening money for a brand name which is what an expensive television is is pointless? BZZT! Let me point out the difference. If you look at a cheap black and white tv and then look at a color plasma, there is a distinct difference in picture. That is what you are paying the extra money for, the improved technology. You are not paying the extra money for the BRAND because you can buy a crappy tv of the SAME brand. You are paying the extra money for something *tangible*. What is the difference between a cheap handbag and a $500 one? Can it deflect bullets? Is it fireproof? Does it have a GPS tracker inside? Is it any different at all from the other aside from the label? If not you're paying extra for something *intangible*. Get it now? Link to post Share on other sites
millefiori Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle So given the fact that women file most divorces and most of the time it is because she needs to find herself or something what reason is there for a man to marry? There is none. If the man had treated her better and met her needs she wouldn't have had to file for divorce. It's still women who will do most chores, take care of the kids and go working, because their husband does not earn that much to provide for all of them. And if he's not even able to appreciate all the work she puts in their marriage, why stay with him? Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Would it be true to say that this debate is not about the *desirability* of marrying a nice girl, but rather the *feasibility* of the aforementioned enterprise? Originally posted by scratch Having said that, I've seen a marked disconnect in what women say they look for, and what they actually do look for. Now this I have to agree with. Independence is a two way street. Women want to be treated as equals sometimes, and are outraged by not recieving chivalrous (defitionally unequal) treatment at other times. And this. I have to say though, that my theory is that culture shift has caused other fundamental problems. Notably, many men and women have unrealistic expectations - particularly vis-à-vis their own attractiveness. Are you sure, Woggle, that you haven't passed over nice girls looking for "princesses"? I'm sure we've all met some good ones, too, just not enough to make them appear to be the rule rather than the exception. To me the good ones appear to be the majority, but maybe I'm just lucky in who I meet. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by tiki It's Sex and the City's fault! I advise men to stay from women that are addicted to this show. That show is like a religion to shallow materialistic women. They were all annoyinh except for Miranda. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by millefiori If the man had treated her better and met her needs she wouldn't have had to file for divorce. It's still women who will do most chores, take care of the kids and go working, because their husband does not earn that much to provide for all of them. And if he's not even able to appreciate all the work she puts in their marriage, why stay with him? Most women file for divorce over reasons such as finding herself. Most divorced men I know did everything in their power to make their wives happy but it satill wasn't enough. Again what incentive do men have to marry? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Grinning Maniac BZZT! Let me point out the difference. If you look at a cheap black and white tv and then look at a color plasma, there is a distinct difference in picture. That is what you are paying the extra money for, the improved technology. You are not paying the extra money for the BRAND because you can buy a crappy tv of the SAME brand. You are paying the extra money for something *tangible*. What is the difference between a cheap handbag and a $500 one? Can it deflect bullets? Is it fireproof? Does it have a GPS tracker inside? Is it any different at all from the other aside from the label? If not you're paying extra for something *intangible*. Get it now? Exactly. You put it better than I did. It is pointless to pay hundreds of dallars for a handbag with some designers name printed on it. HDTVs actually have a function. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Most divorced men I know did everything in their power to make their wives happy but it satill wasn't enough. Including sleeping with the secretary. Oh, and buying the red convertible. Link to post Share on other sites
millefiori Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Grinning Maniac That is the difference between a cheap handbag and a $500 one? Can it deflect bullets? Is it fireproof? Does it have a GPS tracker inside? Is it any different at all from the other aside from the label? If not you're paying extra for something *intangible*. Get it now? What's the difference between a piece of art that you created and a Picasso? It's also something immaterial. The handbag that is more expensive has a better design and better quality. You're in as far right when you say that they are overpriced and that this is due to the brand name, but you can also say this about cars and other pieces with fancy high-technology. Why do people need cars that are equipped to drive through deserts and jungles??? What's the sense in investing more money into something that you will never need in your life, because as your big butt indicates, you probably spend more time in front of your tv than going out and exploring anything. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Grinning Maniac BZZT! .... Okay, point taken. But it's all still crap in my eyes. A big bunch of materialistic crap. Link to post Share on other sites
millefiori Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Most women file for divorce over reasons such as finding herself. Most divorced men I know did everything in their power to make their wives happy but it satill wasn't enough. Again what incentive do men have to marry? Well, then just don't marry, who cares.... If you're so happy alone, then live it to the fullest. Link to post Share on other sites
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