Has God Already Judged America?

[pureinheart]

Thank You for your input PureInHeart, I really appreciate it. I was thinking more along the lines of how "progressivism" corrupts and declines a nation to the point to where nothing makes sense anymore and I believe that this is both the result and fruit of turning away from God. God simply withdraws His light from a nation and it naturally is in darkness, which is exactly where America is. People don't know what bathroom to use anymore, men want to be women and women want to be men. This is what the Bible means when it's days that they leave the "natural use". People go against nature.

Once the absolute moral compass of God is removed from a nation there is no true north and the people become lost in the blizzard of sin, immorality, and chaos. The end result is the dead cold frozen hearts and minds of men and women. I appreciative your input and admire your optimism. God is gracious and slow to anger and greatly to be praised!

 

Man, you spoke volumes here!

 

IMO, the major decline took place in the 20's and 30's. Many things were set in motion during this time and shortly prior, and I'd like to touch on a few.

 

The manipulation of the American mind?Edward Bernays and the birth of public relations

 

This of course is the 'lighter' version of the actual dumbing down of America and the world that brings forth a high level of rebellion via the masses. We see the results of this today.

 

https://americanprogressivism.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/what-is-progressivism/#more-8

 

The progressives were also very interested in the educational system. Another way of controlling the masses...

 

Hitler comes on the scene along with Margaret Sanger (founder of PP). I don't doubt Hitler used many of the techniques through Edward Bernays teaching on how to control/manipulate the masses.

 

So much more went on, although it is easy to see the mass decline concerning God during this time. I always wonder if this is what the Lord meant when He said He would turn many over to a strong delusion? Mind control fits 'strong delusion' big time.

[amaysngrace]

Thanks for sharing, Pure. You were missed.

 

I love this phrase from your link. I'd never heard it before.

 

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson

 

So true and unfortunately we keep seeing more hostility rather than a thank you. It's terrible.

[planning4later]

Thanks for sharing, Pure. You were missed.

 

I love this phrase from your link. I'd never heard it before.

 

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson

 

So true and unfortunately we keep seeing more hostility rather than a thank you. It's terrible.

 

It's like what Ronald Reagan said:

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

[pureinheart]

Thanks for sharing, Pure. You were missed.

 

I love this phrase from your link. I'd never heard it before.

 

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson

 

So true and unfortunately we keep seeing more hostility rather than a thank you. It's terrible.

 

Awww, thank you AG! I love that one also..

 

It's like what Ronald Reagan said:

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

 

After hearing this many, many times, it just struck me funny tonight and was glad I wasn't drinking anything or I would have lost a lap top lol

[BetheButterfly]

 

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson

 

So true and unfortunately we keep seeing more hostility rather than a thank you. It's terrible.

 

The hostility is due to being enslaved and considered inferior to others based on skin color. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner who thought that whites are superior to blacks.

 

"Jefferson’s belief in the necessity of abolition was intertwined with his racial beliefs. He thought that white Americans and enslaved blacks constituted two “separate nations” who could not live together peacefully in the same country.14 Jefferson’s belief that blacks were racially inferior and “as incapable as children,”15 coupled with slaves’ presumed resentment of their former owners, made their removal from the United States an integral part of Jefferson’s emancipation scheme. Influenced by the Haitian Revolution and an aborted rebellion in Virginia in 1800, Jefferson believed that American slaves’ deportation—whether to Africa or the West Indies—was an essential followup to emancipation.16"

 

https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-slavery#footnote14_px73cbo

 

He also wrote, "Slaves pass by descent and dower as lands do"

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433081883005;view=1up;seq=150

 

It is very possible that Thomas Jefferson even had children with a slave of his, taking advantage of "owning" her which many white men did with their female slaves.

 

https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account

 

I'm sorry, but the more I learn about America's bloody history, the more America's history sickens me. Thomas Jefferson's racist views reminds me of Frederick Douglass' quote about the difference between the "Christianity of this land" (America) versus the Christianity of Christ.

 

I boldened some and separated into modern smaller paragraphs.)

I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ:

 

I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land.

 

Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity. I look upon it as the climax of all misnomers, the boldest of all frauds, and the grossest of all libels. Never was there a clearer case of "stealing the livery of the court of heaven to serve the devil in."

 

I am filled with unutterable loathing when I contemplate the religious pomp and show, together with the horrible inconsistencies, which every where surround me. We have men-stealers for ministers, women- whippers for missionaries, and cradle-plunderers for church members. The man who wields the blood-clotted cowskin during the week fills the pulpit on Sunday, and claims to be a minister of the meek and lowly Jesus.

 

The man who robs me of my earnings at the end of each week meets me as a class-leader on Sunday morning, to show me the way of life, and the path of salvation. He who sells my sister, for purposes of prostitution, stands forth as the pious advocate of purity.

 

He who proclaims it a religious duty to read the Bible denies me the right of learning to read the name of the God who made me. He who is the religious advocate of marriage robs whole millions of its sacred influence, and leaves them to the ravages of wholesale pollution.

 

The warm defender of the sacredness of the family relation is the same that scatters whole families, — sundering husbands and wives, parents and children, sisters and brothers, — leaving the hut vacant, and the hearth desolate.

 

We see the thief preaching against theft, and the adulterer against adultery. We have men sold to build churches, women sold to support the gospel, and babes sold to purchase Bibles for the poor heathen! all for the glory of God and the good of souls!

 

The slave auctioneer's bell and the church-going bell chime in with each other, and the bitter cries of the heart-broken slave are drowned in the religious shouts of his pious master. Revivals of religion and revivals in the slave-trade go hand in hand together. The slave prison and the church stand near each other. The clanking of fetters and the rattling of chains in the prison, and the pious psalm and solemn prayer in the church, may be heard at the same time. The dealers in the bodies and souls of men erect their stand in the presence of the pulpit, and they mutually help each other. The dealer gives his blood-stained gold to support he pulpit, and the pulpit, in return, covers his infernal business with the garb of Christianity. Here we have religion and robbery the allies of each other — devils dressed in angels' robes, and hell presenting the semblance of paradise.

Douglass' Narrative

 

Douglass definitely tells the truth about the Christianity of this land from its origin - which includes Thomas Jefferson's time.

 

While thank God the "Christianity of this land" has changed, it has sadly not become more like Christ, but rather has become just ascorrupt, sexual immoral (many Christians commit adultery and lust after people not their spouses, disobeying Jesus' commands for sexual purity), porn-addicted, hypocritical, teaching a false prosperity gospel, moneylusting, powerlusting, greedy Christianity of this land (America).

 

It's really sad, and it's even sadder that many American Christians don't see what the Christianity of this land used to be, and what the Christianity of this land (America) is today, and how both are so different than the Christianity of Christ.

 

Will God judge America for calling herself a Christian nation but not truly obeying Jesus Christ? Sure He will. He's just. He's also full of amazing grace for sinners who repent. Many American Christians though don't repent; they are too interested in worldly prosperity and power.

[Logan787]

So much more went on, although it is easy to see the mass decline concerning God during this time. I always wonder if this is what the Lord meant when He said He would turn many over to a strong delusion? Mind control fits 'strong delusion' big time.

 

Wow, I really never thought about the "strong delusion" part like that before PureInHeart. That's a really good angle. I wanna look at your links when I'm not at work. Thanx for sharing!

[Logan787]

Thanks for sharing, Pure. You were missed.

 

I love this phrase from your link. I'd never heard it before.

 

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson

 

So true and unfortunately we keep seeing more hostility rather than a thank you. It's terrible.

 

Gonna have to share that Jefferson quote on Facebook. Thanx for sharing amaysngrace!

[amaysngrace]

Gonna have to share that Jefferson quote on Facebook. Thanx for sharing amaysngrace!

 

Actually PureinHeart shared it first but I'm glad you like it.

[BetheButterfly]

Gonna have to share that Jefferson quote on Facebook. Thanx for sharing amaysngrace!

 

Why not share this quote from Thomas Jefferson on Facebook too? (I put it in short paragraphs for easier reading and boldened some. Man, Thomas Jefferson believed in long sentences!!!)

 

"the idea of emancipating the whole at once, the old as well as the young, and retaining them here, is of those only who have not the guide of either knolege or experience of the subject. for, men, probably of any colour, but of this color we know, brought up from their infancy without necessity for thought or forecast, are by their habits rendered as incapable as children of taking care of themselves,

 

and are extinguished promptly wherever industry is necessary for raising the young. in the mean time they are pests in society by their idleness, and the depredations to which this leads them. their amalgamation with the other colour produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character can innocently consent."

http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-07-02-0439

Awesome quote of Thomas Jefferson right? What an American hero! (Sarcasm)

 

Let me go throw up now. But by all means, share a Thomas Jefferson quote on Facebook. Never mind and who cares that he was a racist!

Edited September 29, 2016 by BetheButterfly

[BetheButterfly]

Gonna have to share that Jefferson quote on Facebook. Thanx for sharing amaysngrace!

 

Oh, and Thomas Jefferson also took out miracles that Jesus Christ did from his Bible, and omitted Jesus' resurrection from the dead (which without Jesus' resurrection and thus ours, why even be Christian?)

 

"Much of the material Jefferson elected to not include related miraculous events, such as the feeding of the multitudes with only two fish and five loaves of barley bread; he eschewed anything that he perceived as “contrary to reason.” His idiosyncratic gospel concludes with Christ’s entombment but omits his resurrection."

 

How Thomas Jefferson Created His Own Bible | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian

 

Paul speaks about the past resurrection of Jesus and thus of ourselves in the future here:

 

"For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

 

If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied." - 1 Corinthians 15:16-19 (NIV)

 

God is so proud of Thomas Jefferson for cutting out the miracles from the Bible and not believing in Jesus' resurrection, yeah? (Sarcasm)

 

By all means, please also share on Facebook how wonderful Thomas Jefferson's edition of the Bible is.

Edited September 29, 2016 by BetheButterfly

[amaysngrace]

Why all the nastiness and hating on Jefferson?

 

I thought Christians are suppose to be loving and forgiving

[BetheButterfly]

Why all the nastiness and hating on Jefferson?

 

Racism sadly is nasty and unloving. Ignoring racism is nasty and unloving too, to the people who are victims of racism.

 

 

I thought Christians are suppose to be loving and forgiving

True. And Christians are also to obey Jesus Christ's commands to do to others as one would have them do to you (Luke 6:31).

 

Loving and forgiving people doesn't mean to ignore evil.

 

God is just as well as He is merciful. He punishes people for their sins, which is why this thread even exists. Will God punish America for her sins? Yes He will.

 

Does God forgive sinners? Yes He does, when they repent.

 

Should Christians put their heads in the sand and ignore evil? No they shouldn't.

 

Thomas Jefferson did not treat slaves how he would have liked to be treated, and he was racist against them. Stating the truth is important. Ignoring the truth doesn't help America or any other nation at all. That's why we don't ignore the truth about the genocides of Jewish people or the Armenians or Native Americans or any other people group of any country.

 

Again, ignoring evil is not loving at all.

[Logan787]

We are not being unloving. It's just that we can't support a man like Jefferson who omitted some of the most vital parts of Scripture. The Resurrection is the most vital part of the Christian Faith, alongside the Crucifixion, and Christ being the ONLY Savior for mankind.

[planning4later]

Why all the nastiness and hating on Jefferson?

 

I thought Christians are suppose to be loving and forgiving

 

As long as we keep the debate strictly on his views and politics, there's nothing wrong with this.