The most important thing is respect

[d'Arthez]

That is correct. But if people are kept longer in detention, the numbers are going to rise.

 

The same with population statistics. If it takes longer for people to die, the number of people living increases.

[millefiori]

Ok, let's wait for Moimeme, she will surely cite some statistics, I'm too lazy now to look them up.

[jmargel]

Originally posted by d'Arthez

That is correct. But if people are kept longer in detention, the numbers are going to rise.

 

The same with population statistics. If it takes longer for people to die, the number of people living increases.

 

So we ought to lessen the sentences for our prisioners?

 

Yea, that'll do wonders for our society.

 

The numbers are rising because not only is crime rising but we have more efficient ways to catch criminals. The media controls alot of what society thinks today. IMO they are the ones who elect a president. Put enough bad press on one particular candidate, while putting the other in a good light will have an effect on the outcome. Check the news tonight, I will bet you either the first or second story they air will be something either about crime or something negative. It's because this is what sells. People are looking for the thrill, the 'OMG I can't believe that!' reaction.

 

People nowadays get too bored with what is out there, including mates. Too many people have that 'Grass is greener on the other side' syndrom. Yet when they hop over that fence and step in that first pile of dog poop only then do they start to realize what they might have done. By then it's usually too late.

 

People in the 1950's were not enlightened. Nowadays they are not either. Affairs happened. Abuse happened. Everything that happened in the past, happens nowadays too. Nowadays people don't have to take the shyt as much as in the past. They can leave unhealthy situations.

 

I find it hard to believe the amount of crime and the viciousiness of crimes today were the same back in the 1950s. Abuse & Affairs have happened for thousands of years, however the respect one has for each other in society today has declined since then (IMO). Without respect you have a breeding ground for trouble.

[d'Arthez]

Originally posted by jmargel

So we ought to lessen the sentences for our prisioners?

 

Only an idiot would infer that.

If in the past years the punishments for offenses and crimes have gone up in a major fashion, they will part of the prison population for a longer time - but in the meantime there are still millions of Americans out there, that can become part of the population of inmates for breaking the law.

 

If every year 8 million crimes are committed (and convicted for) with, instead of an average prison term of 5 years but now of 10 years, you can see that these 8 million people who commit a crime are part of the statistic for a longer time than in the previous situation. Thus allowing for an increase in the number of inmates.

 

Yea, that'll do wonders for our society.

Basic understanding of mathematics to some people would too, Jmargel.

 

The numbers are rising because not only is crime rising but we have more efficient ways to catch criminals.

Yes, we have seen so many proofs of idiotic and unjust convictions in the US, that the efficiency is beyond doubt .

The media controls alot of what society thinks today. IMO they are the ones who elect a president. Put enough bad press on one particular candidate, while putting the other in a good light will have an effect on the outcome. Check the news tonight, I will bet you either the first or second story they air will be something either about crime or something negative. It's because this is what sells. People are looking for the thrill, the 'OMG I can't believe that!' reaction.

If you believe you live in a non-democratic country, you are entitled to that belief. Don't blame the media for that. Blame the citizens for that, as they have the duty to make sure that their government does not screw them over.

 

If you believe people are stupid, that is your belief. It is funny that almost all people believe that almost everyone else is stupid. See a pattern?

 

People nowadays get too bored with what is out there, including mates. Too many people have that 'Grass is greener on the other side' syndrom. Yet when they hop over that fence and step in that first pile of dog poop only then do they start to realize what they might have done. By then it's usually too late.

That may be partially true - but it is just a symptom of the Western life-style. As for the causes to that, I believe that it is just a reflection of the economic system we live under. You can abhor the practice, but if you are not willing to do a thing about it, you are nothing more than a sideline critic.

 

I find it hard to believe the amount of crime and the viciousiness of crimes today were the same back in the 1950s. Abuse & Affairs have happened for thousands of years, however the respect one has for each other in society today has declined since then (IMO).

Abuse and affairs always happened. But what were the options in the 1950's? Destitution is always a great option . Perhaps the abuse of some people was even actually allowed legally. Then it is of course not a crime to molest a person for whatever 'legitimate' reason.

 

What do you mean with respect? Fear of authority? Yes, that was probably higher in the 1950's than now. You just had to say "I am a socialist", and you were ensured a life-time of non-employment. That is very respectful of the government to its citizens, is not it?

 

Without respect you have a breeding ground for trouble.

True. But where was the respect for the Black (wo)man in the 1950's in Southern States? Where is it nowadays? We are far from an ideal situation nowadays, but to portray the 1950's as a peaceful, non-violent and respectful time is just an idealization of the past.

[millefiori]

Stay on topic guys or I will get my whip out and teach your respect.