Political divide...

[salparadise]

I'm a very proud Canadian and you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian who hasn't looked at this election like the circus just came to town and not in a good way. We pretty much all agree that Trump is a joke so there isn't too much divide among us up here. If anything, it's brought us closer together.

 

Got room for a couple more up there? I'm of the half of Americans, and pretty much the rest of the world, who also see it as a bad joke. It was easy to laugh before, but actually electing an idiot is depressing. I don't know how something like this can come to pass. I felt that most of us were discerning with regard to qualifications even if differing on ideologies. I was wrong. This is whacked.

 

I don't want to have anything to do with those who voted for him. I have some relatives (cousins) that almost certainly did, and I'll still love them as long as they don't prosthelytize, but as far as chosen friends and lovers... nope.

[Methodical]

During Obama's original campaign for the presidency, he stated he was against gay marriage. When running for his second term, he embraced equal rights and took the opposite stance.

 

Let's say you and your partner were in agreement on his original stance. If you oppose gay marriage, would/did you dissolve a solid relationship because Obama changed his stance when running for a second term?

[letmoc]

Is Hillary not just as bad a role model for women...standing by her man after he cheated on her in the oval office and then embarrassed her in front of the entire world. She has no respect for herself and no pride. She cared more about the power, money and fame than herself.

 

She should have kicked his ass to the curb at the beginning of this election, I bet a lot of women would have then maybe thought she was worth something.

 

With all due respect you have no clue why she chose to stay married. I don't think Hilary is a wonderful role model, but how she handled her personal life and the affair is one of the things I do admire about her. She didn't fall apart she held it down for her family and the country. Or she could have gotten divorced again and again like Trump.

[letmoc]

I have no problem with people having a different view, but I think this country tends to look at things like it's a sporting event. This is our life and we will all have to find a way to deal with this for the next four years, no matter who we supported.

 

But these smug attitudes people get about Trump are puzzling. Neither Trump or Hilary would likely piss on us if we were on fire. We are all just average people no matter how smug, entitled and privileged we like to pretend we are on the internet. Nobody is getting invited to the White House for Christmas dinner so stop doing backflips in his honor. White, black, or other he sees us all as poor and beneath him.

[Gaeta]

Let's say you and your partner were in agreement on his original stance. If you oppose gay marriage, would/did you dissolve a solid relationship because Obama changed his stance when running for a second term?

 

If you are not a gay couple than change of stance is just that a change of stance.

 

There are other policies though that would affect your life directly example if some politicians wants to change some fundamental rights like women's right and your boyfriend or husband is supportive of those changes I can see where it would become unlivable in the relationship.

 

I could not date a man that is against the right for women to access abortion. Him and I would be fundamentally too different and it's a right that touches us directly if I get pregnant. It's no more a political opinion, it's a real life crisis caused by that policy.

[Sunkissedpatio]

I am Canadian too, and after the mess Steven Harper left behind and our Rob Ford fiasco Trudeau was such a breath of fresh air. And it just so happens he is doing a great job but we were quite divided on him as well as a nation.

 

But here's the thing that scares me the most looking from the outside in about this Trump situation:

 

In the last 24 hours I have seen so many stories, videos and posts surface of extreme fascism, retaliation from supremacists claiming they are taking their country back via heinous acts of racism, I've read of men going up to women and mimicking the "grabbing the pssy" act and telling women "what are you going to do about it ?" Women who wear burqas opting to leave them at home for the first time in their lives for fear of being bullied or attacked out in public, videos on social media of white American males claiming that they are wolves who have been suppressed for too long and that those who don't fall into the America they want will be the hunted that I am afraid for what is going to happen socially.

 

Trump's disgusting behaviour during the electoral campaign has resonated with a lot of those people who already have very outdated views on what society should look like and has normalized certain behaviours that we have all in the first world been working very hard to move away from. I fear that this man will bring the country back 50 years socially, based on what he's deemed acceptable behaviour towards women, people of colour and races other than white.

 

That is very scary to me living in a nation where we respect people of all colours and religions. I would not want to regress socially like that for any political candidate's agenda.

Edited November 13, 2016 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
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[S_A]

If you are not a gay couple than change of stance is just that a change of stance.

 

There are other policies though that would affect your life directly example if some politicians wants to change some fundamental rights like women's right and your boyfriend or husband is supportive of those changes I can see where it would become unlivable in the relationship.

 

I could not date a man that is against the right for women to access abortion. Him and I would be fundamentally too different and it's a right that touches us directly if I get pregnant. It's no more a political opinion, it's a real life crisis caused by that policy.

 

My Fiance is religious and the daughter of a priest. I am an atheist. This is a far bigger deal than your issue with someone that thinks Quebec should be its own country. Religion influences a broad range of beliefs, and you're going to size up an entire human being based on whether or not they think Quebec should be independent? People are not so shallow. There is a lot more to a human being beyond their thoughts on Quebec, abortion, and whether they favor Trump or Hillary just like there is more to a human being than their gender and skin color.

Edited November 10, 2016 by S_A

[jen1447]

I'm only intolerant of ppl who are intolerant. And ironically, intolerance is often practiced by the biggest proponents of 'tolerance,' bc in certain progressive circles, the practical definition of tolerance is actually "thinking the socially and politically approved thing," which is itself determined by hive-mind social sensibilities. It's not an actual practice of live-and-let-live, unfortunately.

 

That always disappointed me about progressives in general, since in many ways I'm one myself, or at least I live a lifestyle outside the norm - where ironically genuine tolerance is necessary to flourish.

[Sunkissedpatio]

Silver lining to all this:

 

Snoop Dogg says he is looking for a place and moving to Toronto after election result.

[S_A]

Silver lining to all this:

 

Snoop Dogg says he is looking for a place and moving to Toronto after election result.

 

LOL! I grew up liking west coast gangster rap and IMO Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre were as wack as they come. Take both of them please!

[thefooloftheyear]

Silver lining to all this:

 

Snoop Dogg says he is looking for a place and moving to Toronto after election result.

 

I'm devastated....

 

To think that this intellectual giant and brilliant inventive mind, capable of all kinds of great things, ..maybe even the cure for cancer...will be lost from this country forever...

 

What a shame....how can we let this happen...??

 

 

TFY

[S_A]

I'm only intolerant of ppl who are intolerant. And ironically, intolerance is often practiced by the biggest proponents of 'tolerance,' bc in certain progressive circles, the practical definition of tolerance is actually "thinking the socially and politically approved thing," which is itself determined by hive-mind social sensibilities. It's not an actual practice of live-and-let-live, unfortunately.

 

That always disappointed me about progressives in general, since in many ways I'm one myself, or at least I live a lifestyle outside the norm - where ironically genuine tolerance is necessary to flourish.

 

I've always felt the same thing. I wanted to make that exact same post but I would not have been able to put it so eloquently. I told my fiance to not tell anyone she voted for Trump (she is a liberal though) because I'm worried she'd actually get assaulted. Was a similar issue for people that wanted Romney over Obama. It's shameful. Personally, I wanted Obama over McCain, but I know that some McCain supporters in LA were super private about their support of McCain because they were afraid of peers giving them a tough time and being mis-labeled as racist for not voting for the first black president.

[Gaeta]

My Fiance is religious and the daughter of a priest. I am an atheist. This is a far bigger deal than your issue with someone that thinks Quebec should be its own country. Religion influences a broad range of beliefs, and you're going to size up an entire human being based on whether or not they think Quebec should be independent? People are not so shallow. There is a lot more to a human being beyond their thoughts on Quebec, abortion, and whether they favor Trump or Hillary just like there is more to a human being than their gender and skin color.

 

Do you know anything about my people, our history, and our battle that has been going for 400 years? I don't think so you cannot understand how this separation of the country runs deep into the French society up here. The political question of separation up here has separated families, neighbors, communities, and yes relationships.

 

This was a question about if some political views would be a deal breaker for us, this is mine, I did not answer to be criticized. This is my journey and I know best what is shallow and what is not.

[S_A]

Do you know anything about my people, our history, and our battle that has been going for 400 years?

 

Not a thing.

 

I played American football with a Palestinian. One of his good friends was Jewish. The thought of that still puts a smile on my face

 

EDIT: I'm pretty good at guessing where people are from. Sold my dad's car to a guy a couple months ago. I guessed correctly (on my first try ) that he was Palestinian. He said he dated a Jewish girl for a while and that it was the best time of his life. Impression I got was that she is the one that initiated the split, but he still holds a place for her in his heart.

Edited November 10, 2016 by S_A

[Sunkissedpatio]

LOL! I grew up liking west coast gangster rap and IMO Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre were as wack as they come. Take both of them please!

 

I'm devastated....

 

To think that this intellectual giant and brilliant inventive mind, capable of all kinds of great things, ..maybe even the cure for cancer...will be lost from this country forever...

 

What a shame....how can we let this happen...??

 

 

TFY

 

But guys, I said it with my sarcastic voice!!!' Can't you tell?

[Gaeta]

Not a thing.

 

I played American football with a Palestinian. One of his good friends was Jewish. The thought of that still puts a smile on my face

 

EDIT: I'm pretty good at guessing where people are from. Sold my dad's car to a guy a couple months ago. I guessed correctly (on my first try ) that he was Palestinian. He said he dated a Jewish girl for a while and that it was the best time of his life. Impression I got was that she is the one that initiated the split, but he still holds a place for her in his heart.

 

I am a white woman that dated Jewish men, Arab men and now in a relationship with a black man. I know all about cultural differences and religious differences. I am an open minded woman on many many aspects. My one deal breaker in politics is this separation issue. I would not break a relationship over it because there would not be a relationship to break up. I know my deal breakers and don't enter relationships with deal breakers.

[dreamingoftigers]

Do you know anything about my people, our history, and our battle that has been going for 400 years? I don't think so you cannot understand how this separation of the country runs deep into the French society up here. The political question of separation up here has separated families, neighbors, communities, and yes relationships.

 

This was a question about if some political views would be a deal breaker for us, this is mine, I did not answer to be criticized. This is my journey and I know best what is shallow and what is not.

 

No kidding!

 

Wow!

 

I think that might even be a deal-breaker for me and I'm not in Quebec!

 

I think it even shows a certain level of maturity. But that's just me.

 

I'm appalled that someone said your political divide issue is "not a big deal."

 

Jeez. It's probably the only issue in this country that could spark a theoretical civil war if it came down to it!

[dreamingoftigers]

I think they just want to use it to gain more favors from the fed and the rest of Canada.

 

If separated, there is no sense for Canada to be bilingual. Francophone civil servants are hugely disproportionate represented in the fed. because of politic and language policy.

 

I don't see how they lose economically by just stirring things up...yes, if only separation is real, one of the reasons is stated above.

 

When they held the referendum, a lot of International business pulled out of Montreal. Many businesses don't like instability.

[dreamingoftigers]

Got room for a couple more up there? I'm of the half of Americans, and pretty much the rest of the world, who also see it as a bad joke. It was easy to laugh before, but actually electing an idiot is depressing. I don't know how something like this can come to pass. I felt that most of us were discerning with regard to qualifications even if differing on ideologies. I was wrong. This is whacked.

 

I don't want to have anything to do with those who voted for him. I have some relatives (cousins) that almost certainly did, and I'll still love them as long as they don't prosthelytize, but as far as chosen friends and lovers... nope.

 

Come on up.

 

The winter is pretty mild in.my area of the country.

[dreamingoftigers]

I am a white woman that dated Jewish men, Arab men and now in a relationship with a black man. I know all about cultural differences and religious differences. I am an open minded woman on many many aspects. My one deal breaker in politics is this separation issue. I would not break a relationship over it because there would not be a relationship to break up. I know my deal breakers and don't enter relationships with deal breakers.

 

The Quebec Separation issue isn't about "racism" per se.

 

Much of the Ontario-Quebec area shares a lot of that same heritage. It's more of a cultural heritage issue.

 

I know I'm not saying it right.

 

For instance, I am a Mormon. My father is a Catholic, my mother an Atheist and I am married to someone raised Jehovah's Witness. Best friend is a Muslim

Even if we all Sat down and decided to hash out religion/non-religion stuff, it would go far smoother even if we weren't respectful people.

 

I could date cross-racially no matter the race or depth of conflict without an issue.

 

But the best way I can think to describe Quebec Separatism is pretty much like a Grudge Match. Either you buy into the grudge and separation, or you don't.

 

I get its important to honour ones heritage. I even understand the desire for statehood. But in this case it would almost require running so many people out to do it. I can't see it ever viable.

 

And Quebec gets picky sometimes over prickly items involving this. For instance, one council member of a city read declarations in both French and English (both official languages) and they came down hard on him because there weren't many English speakers in the city.

 

Personally I think the whole country should be bilingual. We even have pockets of Francophones here in Alberta.

 

Real grudge match. That's all.

[Gaeta]

No kidding!

 

Wow!

 

I think that might even be a deal-breaker for me and I'm not in Quebec!

 

I think it even shows a certain level of maturity. But that's just me.

 

I'm appalled that someone said your political divide issue is "not a big deal."

 

Jeez. It's probably the only issue in this country that could spark a theoretical civil war if it came down to it!

 

Thank you!

 

Out of topic, I see you are from Calgary, I lived 6 years in Edmonton in the 90s (referendum). When people heard us speak French in public they would tell us to speak white, to go back where we're from, also found a body bag and a funeral wreaths on our front steps one day. People would burn Quebec flags I am sure you remember. My daughter was 6 at the time and refused to reply to us in French, she was hiding her French culture she was ashamed. If that referendum had gone through we would have had to leave Alberta no kidding. I do believe it would throw us in a civil war. We are in an era of collaborating and living together in peace not separating.

[Gaeta]

The Quebec Separation issue isn't about "racism" per se.

 

Much of the Ontario-Quebec area shares a lot of that same heritage. It's more of a cultural heritage issue.

 

I know I'm not saying it right.

 

For instance, I am a Mormon. My father is a Catholic, my mother an Atheist and I am married to someone raised Jehovah's Witness. Best friend is a Muslim

Even if we all Sat down and decided to hash out religion/non-religion stuff, it would go far smoother even if we weren't respectful people.

 

I could date cross-racially no matter the race or depth of conflict without an issue.

 

But the best way I can think to describe Quebec Separatism is pretty much like a Grudge Match. Either you buy into the grudge and separation, or you don't.

 

I get its important to honour ones heritage. I even understand the desire for statehood. But in this case it would almost require running so many people out to do it. I can't see it ever viable.

 

And Quebec gets picky sometimes over prickly items involving this. For instance, one council member of a city read declarations in both French and English (both official languages) and they came down hard on him because there weren't many English speakers in the city.

 

Personally I think the whole country should be bilingual. We even have pockets of Francophones here in Alberta.

 

Real grudge match. That's all.

 

I lived in Ontario for 2 years and did not feel it as strongly as I felt it in Alberta but what happened in Alberta was caused by the political tension at that time AND the media just putting fuel on top of it.

 

While we were living there we made lots of Albertan friends too that I keep found memories of. I remember one day a friend telling me: ' I don't know why we hate you so much - you are just like us'. She had never met a Quebec person person before so she portrayed us just like in the media, our friendship was a big revelation to her, yep! we're just like the rest of you lol

[dreamingoftigers]

Thank you!

 

Out of topic, I see you are from Calgary, I lived 6 years in Edmonton in the 90s (referendum). When people heard us speak French in public they would tell us to speak white, to go back where we're from, also found a body bag and a funeral wreaths on our front steps one day. People would burn Quebec flags I am sure you remember. My daughter was 6 at the time and refused to reply to us in French, she was hiding her French culture she was ashamed. If that referendum had gone through we would have had to leave Alberta no kidding. I do believe it would throw us in a civil war. We are in an era of collaborating and living together in peace not separating.

 

Ugh. Edmonton.

 

Ugh.

 

I get it. I was born here but my mother grew up mostly in Quebec City and my father is from Brockville. My mother had it tough growing up Anglo there, esoecially during the FLQ crisis.

 

I would say that as a province, ours is the least tolerant.

 

But overall my city is the most tolerant in the province and does a pretty great job accepting outsiders. There's been a very large shift provincially over the last 20 years. No one thought we would elect a Muslim Mayor. And we really like the guy. Toronto sure wanted to trade mayors with us a couple of years ago (RIP Rob Ford)

 

I'm sorry you went through that. Truly.

 

I honestly don't know why Alberta in particular takes the Quebec stuff so personally. Never knew why. The rest of the country doesn't seem to have that attitude and Quebec doesn't even seem to hear about nor care what this provinces opinion would be anyway.

 

Maybe it has something to do with federal clout?

[dreamingoftigers]

I lived in Ontario for 2 years and did not feel it as strongly as I felt it in Alberta but what happened in Alberta was caused by the political tension at that time AND the media just putting fuel on top of it.

 

While we were living there we made lots of Albertan friends too that I keep found memories of. I remember one day a friend telling me: ' I don't know why we hate you so much - you are just like us'. She had never met a Quebec person person before so she portrayed us just like in the media, our friendship was a big revelation to her, yep! we're just like the rest of you lol

 

I know the Ont-PC tension has always been there. But it more smacks of rivalry or grumbling.

 

I lived in Ontario as well and my husband is from North Bay.

 

We lived in both Thunder Bay and Ottawa area. At one point down near Golden Lake. My family goes back to the first settling of the area. At least 10 generations.

 

Yes Ontario has resents and same with Quebec, but out here is just strange with it.

 

Like, "how dare those Québécois do x y or z!"

 

Right now it's over the mayor of Montreal wanting the pipeline reviewed etc. Grumbling out here again.

 

But after Lac Megantic, how could anyone be blamed for wanting safe transportation of oil. Granted, it would be much safer through pipeline than delaying it further and keeping it going via rail. ( via rail not "VIA rail.")

 

IDK. It's not all that reasonable.

 

Right now my parents have a lady with an accent from Montreal working for them. She says she hasn't experienced anything negative. Progress.

[Springsummer]

When they held the referendum, a lot of International business pulled out of Montreal. Many businesses don't like instability.

 

maybe that's why it's cheaper to do business there now? I don't know...initially I thought it's a good idea to work there, coz the rent seems so much cheaper. oh, boy, then I found out they pay you much cheaper for the same type of job than the rest of big cities in Canada too.

 

Personally I just sick of seeing every job in Ottawa require bilingual. Maybe I should move down south and give room to the US people here. :rolleyes:In the US, the pay is much much higher even than in Toronto for the same job.

 

why move to cold Canada? is Trump alone worth it?