Alpha, beta ?

[BluesPower]

This is a interesting question on so many levels.

 

I agree with Wade to a certain extent that I think it is silly in some ways.

 

I do think that beta is applied to men that are kind of weak to a certain extent.

 

I am not some big alpha guy but I am kind of a strong personality in many ways. I am usually the smartest person in the room in a lot of business situations. I am confident in life in general, except for all this emotion stuff that they make you talk about in therapy, which sucks.

 

Musically I am very alpha because I am almost always the best player in the room or in the top three. So in that situation I am very confident.

 

But I am a very nurturing person, especially to women, which is something that most of my women really seem to like about me. It is not a conscious thing with me though.

 

To me it just seems kind of simple to make a woman feel better when she is upset about what ever. You just kind of listen to what they want to talk about, they usually need to cry, they usually need a hug. And when you get through that stuff you usually have sex.

 

I am also great with kids and babies. I just love babies. I am just a really great husband and dad.

 

So I have no idea what I am in these categories.

[Wade Lamare]

This is a interesting question on so many levels.

 

I agree with Wade to a certain extent that I think it is silly in some ways.

 

I do think that beta is applied to men that are kind of weak to a certain extent.

 

I am not some big alpha guy but I am kind of a strong personality in many ways. I am usually the smartest person in the room in a lot of business situations. I am confident in life in general, except for all this emotion stuff that they make you talk about in therapy, which sucks.

 

Musically I am very alpha because I am almost always the best player in the room or in the top three. So in that situation I am very confident.

 

But I am a very nurturing person, especially to women, which is something that most of my women really seem to like about me. It is not a conscious thing with me though.

 

To me it just seems kind of simple to make a woman feel better when she is upset about what ever. You just kind of listen to what they want to talk about, they usually need to cry, they usually need a hug. And when you get through that stuff you usually have sex.

 

I am also great with kids and babies. I just love babies. I am just a really great husband and dad.

 

So I have no idea what I am in these categories.

 

Exactly chap.

 

You are a well rounded man.

 

You are a mix of traits that make you a good man to know and to love.

 

This alpha dalpha doodad nonsense always seems to regard alpha as good, beta as weak. If you have to categorise peoples attributes as alpha or beta at least realise that all the traits are important and attractive.

[Sweetfish]

Interesting point of view from a lot of people here.

 

If a strong male walks into a women's life and as the relationship progresses he becomes emotional, becomes insecure, doesn't provide like he use to, isn't it most likely the women will start to see other males who are not insecure, who provide, and isn't as emotional seen as more attractive.

 

God forbid a guy loses his job, becomes depress, or some other guy who is more charismatic starts working at her job. Loyalty and Honor maybe be thrown out the door for the sake of her feelings

 

This is the same events that happen in the animal kingdom and is still wired in our primitive parts of our brains

 

So among those two men, your attraction shifts to the more dominant male. The only thing that makes humans different is that we are bounded by rules and think on a higher level.

 

 

I don't think women understand why just recently they are seeing these words getting thrown around more often. It is the reaction of men who are normal guys in a relationship who get dump for another male because she feels attraction for another male. Most women do not exit a perfectly stable relationship unless its because of another male. This is because the traditional way of courting a woman is coming to an end. Being a "nice guy" is not enough to maintain a relationship.

 

More than likely, a male who is better looking, assertive, interacts with his surroundings and people is seen as more attractive, specially if he has a abundance of females at his whim. Most men do not think on a complex level like this when it comes to women.

 

2 years down into a relationship when the brain can no longer produce the chemicals to bound two individuals (butterflies) is when relationship goes to crap. Women tend to become more promiscuous early in the relationship and men become more promiscuous later on in the relationship.

 

This is not an insult or a bash against women. Its just the way their brains are wired. 2-3 years into a relationship a women testosterone levels are at its peak and testosterone is what makes men and women promiscuous or sexually active. Ironically for men in the 2-3 years in a relationship, testosterone is at its lowest and the brain pumps more estrogen.

 

Variation in human male testosterone levels may reflect, and effect, differential behavioral allocation to mating and parenting effort. This proposition leads to the hypothesis that, among North American men, those involved in committed, romantic relationships will have lower testosterone levels than men not involved in such relationships. Our study is the first to examine whether being in such a relationship (rather than being married) is the meaningful predictor of male testosterone levels. To test this hypothesis, 122 male Harvard Business School students filled out a questionnaire and collected one saliva sample (from which testosterone level was measured). Results revealed that men in committed, romantic relationships had 21% lower testosterone levels than men not involved in such relationships. Furthermore, the testosterone levels of married men and unmarried men who were involved in committed, romantic relationships did not differ, suggesting that, at least for this sample, male pair bonding status is the more significant predictor of testosterone levels than is marital status.

so men are starting to see being just a "nice guy" is not enough to maintain a relationship and at any given point of time if they slip into being insecure and/or emotional. (which women have a free pass for this behavior)

 

This is why you are seeing the term Alpha and Beta being thrown around.

 

Instead of saying something is stupid or doesn't make sense. Why don't we understand why is it becoming more prevalent. You may be with a man right now with those views and you have no idea he is just systematically keeping you happy because he knows the game.

 

I know hundreds of men who tell me they do not trust their wives. That they know the game. For years not naturally being who they want to be because giving a woman everything literally means destroying everything. Because its equivalent to being a doormat for a women or place on a pedestal and women don't want to feel that way.

 

its the sad truth.. you can abolish the word alpha male from your vocabulary, but its what you actively seek. So if you define what you seek by calling or labeling alpha is stupid.

 

What is your advice to a young man who gives his heart to a woman and is dumped repeatedly or is not getting dates?

 

literally everything that is determine by today's standards as being alpha or attractive.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Sweetfish

[WomenWubber]

Alpha is the one who leads, betas follow the alphas.

 

That's according to virtually every single documentary I've seen.

[dreamingoftigers]

I only see the Alpha/Beta discussion online. Typically, it goes like this:

 

Women referring to Alphas: Men who posses the specific traits I find attractive

Women referring to Betas: Men who posses traits I find unattractive

Men referring to Alphas: Me

Men referring to Betas: Not Me

 

Iro ically in my case it might be: Alphas, yuck.

[Wade Lamare]

It's absolutely real, and while it may be more prevalent in males, there are also Alpha females..

 

Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves...

 

And while women generally look favorably upon Alpha males, it really isn't even about that...or sex...

 

I can list a lot of unique ways that people act around an Alpha...and if you are one, you will know what I mean, if you aren't you will have no idea what I am talking about...

 

TFY

 

But nobody seems to agree on what it actually is - and that's why I don't agree that it's a thing. I'd be surprised if we could reach a consensus.

 

The only Alpha which I do agree with is in the animal kingdom where the strongest male will drive away all the weaker males so that he can be king of the pride. But humans don't do that.

 

TFY, I don't doubt that some men are extraordinarily successful with women and in business. But it has very little to do with alpha. These men are almost all invariably tall, handsome or wealthy.

 

A good friend on another forum once said "all this alpha/beta bullshet flies out the door for women the instant a drop dead gorgeous guy walks into the room."

 

And Basil, just to pick up your point about the animal kingdom.

 

Much of this alpha stuff was formulated by studying wolf packs. The only problem was that they studied wolf packs in captivity and regarded the fights that broke out as an alpha male asserting his authority.

 

When they actually studied wolves in their natural environment, in the wild they discovered that in actual fact a wolf pack consisted largely of a breeding couple and their pups of various ages. Once the pups reached a certain age they left to form their own families.

Uncannily rather like another branch of the animal kingdom, Homo Sapiens.

 

We form a mating couple, nurture our children and then set them off into the world to forge their own life and families.

[Sweetfish]

IRL, I've never met any guy describing himself in those terms, I've never discussed the potential virtues or deficiencies of 'alphas' / 'betas' or whatever with any of my female friends, and have only really come across that type of terminology online.

 

Seems to bring comfort, soothing and a bit of an ego boost to people who like to label each other or themselves - which is harmless, I suppose, if they need that sort of validation.

 

Other than that, totally pointless tosh to me.

 

It pointless because it has no value to you. Just as the inner working of a car has no value to you as long as the car starts up or how the remote control functions as long as it can get you to game of thrones. A lot of women only value things that have value to them so why would things like cars or beta and alpha be of value to you?

 

When a female can put up a profile online and get 10 msgs a day alpha and beta has no meaning to you, just as the internal working of a car has no meaning to you. (but im just assuming) You will talk to whomever you feel makes you feel a certain way.

[thefooloftheyear]

TFY, I don't doubt that some men are extraordinarily successful with women and in business. But it has very little to do with alpha. These men are almost all invariably tall, handsome or wealthy.

 

 

Sorry, man....this is just plain wrong....And I can prove it on many levels and with many examples..

 

TFY

[PrettyEmily77]

It pointless because it has no value to you. Just as the inner working of a car has no value to you as long as the car starts up or how the remote control functions as long as it can get you to game of thrones. A lot of women only value things that have value to them so why would things like cars or beta and alpha be of value to you?

 

Actually, the inner workings of a car have a lot more value than a random, subjective label - on a practical level, the parts have the exact same meaning in every car so if I need something fixing, I can put a name to it and get it sorted. In the same way, all it takes to get the remote control working is to change the batteries so I can flick channels when Game of Thrones is on.

 

A guy subjectively labeling himself as 'alpha' or 'beta' gives no particular insight into his thoughts, character, moral values, intellectual capacities or street-smarts - gives an idea of how he rates himself (which isn't very accurate anyway), but that's about it.

 

IRL, men who actually get things done don't care one jot about labeling themselves or others because, you know, they're too busy getting things done so yeah, I guess I have more respect for guys who don't care.

[Woggle]

It's yet another way to put people into boxes and another thing that is ruining relationships.

[Wade Lamare]

Sorry, man....this is just plain wrong....And I can prove it on many levels and with many examples..

 

TFY

 

Oh? Do go on.

 

My contribution.

 

A study, some years back, showed that 30%, 150? of the CEO's of Fortune 500 companies were 6' 2" or over. And that the average height of a Fortune 500 CEO was a touch over 6'. And this at a time when the number of men in America over 6' 2" was 2% to 3% of the general population.

 

That's 500 examples from me.

[DarrenB]

Categorizing the two is beyond pointless

[basil67]

It pointless because it has no value to you. Just as the inner working of a car has no value to you as long as the car starts up

 

Is this supposed to be a gender specific comment? If so, I would like you to inform my husband that I should not be expected to appreciate the inner workings of a car.

 

If he appreciated it instead of me, I may not have been recently left with a car which had a blown clutch that he forgot to tell me about. How can a guy not recognise the smell of a smoking clutch? Sigh. I get so tired of being the one who gets the car fixed. He never notices a change in the sound of the engine or a change in how it drives.

 

Though I guess the fact that the car he was driving when we met had a shot clutch should have been a hint......

Edited December 4, 2016 by basil67

[thefooloftheyear]

Oh? Do go on.

 

My contribution.

 

A study, some years back, showed that 30%, 150? of the CEO's of Fortune 500 companies were 6' 2" or over. And that the average height of a Fortune 500 CEO was a touch over 6'. And this at a time when the number of men in America over 6' 2" was 2% to 3% of the general population.

 

That's 500 examples from me.

 

OK....But you are only correlating CEOs' with height....I can guarantee you that not all of those guys are Alpha's ....Some? sure...All?? no way....

 

How about guys like Pablo Escobar, Suge Knight, El Chapo, John Gotti Sr. etc...

 

These are just a few examples, but I can go on for days...All these guys are pure Alphas...Sure, they got rich, but they weren't always rich...They used the Alpha qualities they were born with and honed their craft...Money. power and women are all part of the trappings of being fortunate enough to be an Alpha..

 

Whether I am or not, I wont say....But there are certain aspects of human behavior that I have observed over the years that really have no other logical explanation..

 

I go into a place in the morning some days to get breakfast...There are all women working the counter and one guy...Even though I say very little to anyone in real life, when I go there, it seems like everyone stops what they are doing to help me..Its very obvious...I have never seen them do that with anyone else on line...And no. I dont leave any huge tips or anything...

 

Practically every guy that i meet on the street (business, etc)that doesn't know my name either calls me "sir" or "chief..".I don't do that to guys I meet....I may call them "buddy" or something else..

 

When I am at the store and waiting on line, there have been many occasions where guys have offered to let me get in front of them....I never accept, but that seems odd...Never said I was in a hurry, never said anything at all.Just standing there waiting in line with everyone else...

 

I grew up in a very dangerous area, and to this day, I often have to go to dangerous and crime ridden areas on business...I've never been accosted, robbed, mugged, anything...I am not that young, you would think that after all these years someone would have tried to seize an opportunity...nope..

 

Even in my family...I am always the one people come to to get answers., solve problems.etc...And yes, women do treat me probably better than I deserve...

 

There really can't be any other explanation...I don't generally have a "magnetic" type of personality...And I say very little...so its not that either..

 

TFY

Edited December 4, 2016 by thefooloftheyear

[Haydn]

OK....But you are only correlating CEOs' with height....I can guarantee you that not all of those guys are Alpha's ....Some? sure...All?? no way....

 

How about guys like Pablo Escobar, Suge Knight, El Chapo, John Gotti Sr. etc...

 

These are just a few examples, but I can go on for days...All these guys are pure Alphas...Sure, they got rich, but they weren't always rich...They used the Alpha qualities they were born with and honed their craft...Money. power and women are all part of the trappings of being fortunate enough to be an Alpha..

 

Whether I am or not, I wont say....But there are certain aspects of human behavior that I have observed over the years that really have no other logical explanation..

 

I go into a place in the morning some days to get breakfast...There are all women working the counter and one guy...Even though I say very little to anyone in real life, when I go there, it seems like everyone stops what they are doing to help me..Its very obvious...I have never seen them do that with anyone else on line...And no. I dont leave any huge tips or anything...

 

Practically every guy that i meet on the street (business, etc)that doesn't know my name either calls me "sir" or "chief..".I don't do that to guys I meet....I may call them "buddy" or something else..

 

When I am at the store and waiting on line, there have been many occasions where guys have offered to let me get in front of them....I never accept, but that seems odd...Never said I was in a hurry, never said anything at all.Just standing there waiting in line with everyone else...

 

I grew up in a very dangerous area, and to this day, I often have to go to dangerous and crime ridden areas on business...I've never been accosted, robbed, mugged, anything...I am not that young, you would think that after all these years someone would have tried to seize an opportunity...nope..

 

Even in my family...I am always the one people come to to get answers., solve problems.etc...And yes, women do treat me probably better than I deserve...

 

There really can't be any other explanation...I don't generally have a "magnetic" type of personality...And I say very little...so its not that either..

 

TFY

 

Now that was funny. All of it.

[Moves Like Jagger]

I have to defend applying terms like "alpha" and "beta" to dating and relationships. People have this misconception that being "alpha" is about being macho, aggressive, and cocky while being beta is about being emotional and sensitive. Instead I consider alpha as being proactive, showing initiative, and being assertive while beta as passive, doormat, and follower.

 

You see alpha behavior all the time. Some people are better than others at turning their goals into reality. They are able to lead themselves and others.

 

A lot of people have this image in this head that alpha guys are cocky, loud, frat boys. In reality, people who subscribe to using terms like alpha relate it to showing initiative and asserting themselves. Traits like being active and assertive are important for guys because women still expect them to do the leading no matter how attractive the guys are. The guy still has to approach the girl. He still has to ask her out and get her phone number. The guy still has to set up the date.

 

I notice that someone in this thread says that success in attracting women is all about looks. My response is that guys are able to get into the relationships all the time without model looks. I see average-looking guys in relationships all the time. Look at the guys at Walmart. How do you think average-looking guys get into relationship? Even if you're "gorgeous", girls will flirt with you, but they still expect you to lead.

 

One of my friend looks like a skinny, computer geek. Yet, he never had problems attracting woman because he possesses alpha traits like having a good job, owning a house, knowing how to initiate and maintain a conversation, and flirting.

 

On the other hand, there are lot of guys who have little to no experience with women because they are beta. They still live with their mom. Their mom still takes care of them. They don't have a real job. They can't carry a conversation. Most importantly, they don't have the drive to find a solution to their problems because they are so passive. Telling these beta guys that they can turn their love lives around by going to the gym and buying nice clothes isn't going to help if they don't have the drive to get out of their house. You're just putting a band aid on a wound.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Moves Like Jagger

[NuevoYorko]

Right i`m off to the shed to saw a piece of wood in half.

That's weak. I'm off to the shed to rip a piece of wood in half with my teeth.

[BluesPower]

Here is something funny for this thread...In my mind anyway.

 

So my wife got a great little PT job and she wanted to treat me to a PETACURE!!!

 

I have never had one and she thought it would be a great idea. OK, if that makes you happy I am game. I wanted to say: hey if you want to treat me there is a great screw driver set at HD that I have been looking at. But I did not say that.

 

I also should say that I have really pretty man feet, never callused or gross probably because I always where shoes and socks and don't like sandals and only go bear foot at the beach or when swimming.

 

Anyway I got the PC and it was not bad at all. Felt great and I don't have to trim my nails for a while. Who knew? It is not something that I would care to do all the time, but it was fun for her and I liked spending the time with her so I am thinking win/win.

 

I guess now I am a metrosexual or something like that.

 

But I still need the screwdriver set...

[thefooloftheyear]

Now that was funny. All of it.

 

Sure it's funny....That's exactly the response id expect if I had never experienced any of this stuff...It would sound almost bizarre...

 

But that's sometimes how human behavior works...

 

I know you have kids...I dont know how old they are, but pay attention to how they interact with their friends...My daughter is almost 14...There are a group of girls she hangs with...Well. there is one girl that all the others look to...They hang on everything she says or does...She isn't the prettiest, tallest, and she certainly isn't the smartest...

 

So then, what would explain this? ...Was there some kind of "election", and the other girls anointed her the "boss" or the "leader"??

 

Of course not...

 

TFY

Edited December 4, 2016 by thefooloftheyear

[Gloria25]

I have to defend applying terms like "alpha" and "beta" to dating and relationships. People have this misconception that being "alpha" is about being macho, aggressive, and cocky while being beta is about being emotional and sensitive. Instead I consider alpha as being proactive, showing initiative, and being assertive while beta as passive, doormat, and follower.

 

You see alpha behavior all the time. Some people are better than others at turning their goals into reality. They are able to lead themselves and others.

 

A lot of people have this image in this head that alpha guys are cocky, loud, frat boys. In reality, people who subscribe to using terms like alpha relate it to showing initiative and asserting themselves. Traits like being active and assertive are important for guys because women still expect them to do the leading no matter how attractive the guys are. The guy still has to approach the girl. He still has to ask her out and get her phone number. The guy still has to set up the date.

 

I notice that someone in this thread says that success in attracting women is all about looks. My response is that guys are able to get into the relationships all the time without model looks. I see average-looking guys in relationships all the time. Look at the guys at Walmart. How do you think average-looking guys get into relationship? Even if you're "gorgeous", girls will flirt with you, but they still expect you to lead.

 

One of my friend looks like a skinny, computer geek. Yet, he never had problems attracting woman because he possesses alpha traits like having a good job, owning a house, knowing how to initiate and maintain a conversation, and flirting.

 

On the other hand, there are lot of guys who have little to no experience with women because they are beta. They still live with their mom. Their mom still takes care of them. They don't have a real job. They can't carry a conversation. Most importantly, they don't have the drive to find a solution to their problems because they are so passive. Telling these beta guys that they can turn their love lives around by going to the gym and buying nice clothes isn't going to help if they don't have the drive to get out of their house. You're just putting a band aid on a wound.

 

THANK YOU!!!!

 

And, I don't subscribe to a person can be "alpha" and "beta". I mean, just cuz an "alpha" shows kindness and sweetness doesn't mean he/she is weak in the same way a "beta" is.

 

I mean, for example - when I volunteer, I can step in and be told what to do but if I see people sitting around and whatever, I simply step up and say 'Hey, how bout you...and you'. In other words, I take charge. Did I just switch between "alpha" and "beta"? No. I simply applied "alpha" when it was necessary and IMO, that's an "alpha" trait - knowing when you need to step up and when not to. IMO, many betas try to hard to be alpha (aka your typical line supervisor/manager) and they are rude and pushy instead of actual "leaders".

 

Some people have called me a "Type A" personality. I don't consider myself that, I'd say a "B+" type personality. But, I don't consider myself a "beta". I may have my weaknesses, but I look at people as described by MLJ above, and no, I'm not living with my mommy, unable to handle my business, etc - like what would be considered a "beta".

 

And yes, like MLJ and FTY, it's not just about looks - it's how you carry yourself. The current object of my attention/affection - I love how he stands tall and talks right. That's one of the things that makes him stand out to me from day one when I saw him I was like, 'OMG, he won't take any crap'...and, now that we're talking, he has a nice side to him that just surprises me - but still he has that side of him that lets me know he won't stand for crap and I like that

Edited December 4, 2016 by Gloria25

[BluesPower]

I don't think I am really some alpha male at all. I am/have been very successful with women and for the most part in life.

 

I am usually "put I charge" for the most part, I am usually ok with it, but I am a big delegator in general. I am that way with the guys that work for me.

 

If my guys work for me then they are competent adults, so when I give them a job and it gets done, I never care about the details unless they need help for whatever reason. As long as they get the job done I am cool. When they don't, which happens rarely, that is the only time I have to slap them around so to speak.

 

I really think that there is a confidence with in people that makes them strong or not strong. Some of it has to do with intellect for sure. But it is a special type of intellect.

 

In my case, I am very bright with wide experience, kind of just below genius level stuff. But in my case, I love being around people that are smatter than me because I usually learn something. Some people are insecure being around someone smatter than them.

 

In the business world, I do a lot of interpreting for the genius people, because at that level of intellect they almost always lack interpersonal skills. So they need someone like me that can understand them and explain it to the other people in the room.

 

Frankly, not is a bad way, I use the genius people to get the job done. They solve problems for me. But otherwise, frankly those people are kind of losers in a social/life skill ways.

 

I don't think that any of this has to do with alpha beta stuff, it is kind of just the way life is...

[thefooloftheyear]

I think the most laughable part of all of this is that the folks who are the first to dismiss this stuff as bunk, are also the same folks who firmly believe in evolution and they'd be the first to admit that we are nothing but a more slightly advanced, upright form of ape or chimpanzee....

 

TFY

[carhill]

IMO, as long as humans exist, segments of the group will seek to box up and label others because that's simply what they do. It provides purpose and satisfies desires and cements social connections with like-minded individuals. Perfectly normal for social animals.

 

Read up on the 'warrior monk' who is very likely to become our next SecDef and the rigor with which he prosecuted death to our enemies while simultaneously being sensitive to the specifics of history and culture of those he was charged to engage. Alpha or beta? Inured to the unified chain of command so a lifetime of following orders, yet leading men, sometimes to their deaths, because that was the order.

 

Apparently, he hasn't been too concerned about his attractiveness to women and, unsurprisingly, few intimations have been stated or alluded to of any various reasons for or of lack in that department.

 

While pondering this topic and doing general research on the apparent SecDef, I noticed one thing that I've seen in many leader types I've interacted with in life, that being the propensity to write, to capture their thoughts of the moment and those they've interacted with. Mattis was sporting the same type little bound notebook in the above linked picture where Donald is going back into the White House as James did when he was photographed a few years ago while in Central Command and interacting with the then Joint Chief member of Pakistan, Khalid Shameem Wynne.[/url]

 

One will also see brief glimpses of the same notebook when Mattis provides some perspectives on leadership in this video

 

Is labeling men alpha or beta unfair to men? IDK but I do know that life is anything but fair or even just. It is what it is. If labeling assists people, OK, go for it.

Edited December 4, 2016 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[wmacbride]

I think the most laughable part of all of this is that the folks who are the first to dismiss this stuff as bunk, are also the same folks who firmly believe in evolution and they'd be the first to admit that we are nothing but a more slightly advanced, upright form of ape or chimpanzee....

 

TFY

for pete's sake...maybe that's how you see yourself, but I see myself as something far more than an advanced chimpanzee, any more than I see an octopus as some sort of advanced clam

[wmacbride]

IMO, as long as humans exist, segments of the group will seek to box up and label others because that's simply what they do. It provides purpose and satisfies desires and cements social connections with like-minded individuals. Perfectly normal for social animals.

 

Read up on the 'warrior monk' who is very likely to become our next SecDef and the rigor with which he prosecuted death to our enemies while simultaneously being sensitive to the specifics of history and culture of those he was charged to engage. Alpha or beta? Inured to the unified chain of command so a lifetime of following orders, yet leading men, sometimes to their deaths, because that was the order.

 

Apparently, he hasn't been too concerned about his attractiveness to women and, unsurprisingly, few intimations have been stated or alluded to of any various reasons for or of lack in that department.

 

While pondering this topic and doing general research on the apparent SecDef, I noticed one thing that I've seen in many leader types I've interacted with in life, that being the propensity to write, to capture their thoughts of the moment and those they've interacted with. Mattis was sporting the same type little bound notebook in the above linked picture where Donald is going back into the White House as James did when he was photographed a few years ago while in Central Command and interacting with the then Joint Chief member of Pakistan, Khalid Shameem Wynne.

 

One will also see brief glimpses of the same notebook when Mattis provides some

 

Is labeling men alpha or beta unfair to men? IDK but I do know that life is anything but fair or even just. It is what it is. If labeling assists people, OK, go for it.

 

That might apply if the labels were useful, but these are not. even on this thread, there is disagreement about what the terms mean.

 

On an individual basis, sure, labeling people might be useful in that it helps people to navigate through their daily interactions with others, but when all of society tries to use them, and there is a huge variance in what the labels mean, how helpful can they really be?

 

btw, why the need to bring trump into the discussion?