Author wmacbride Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 It would be hard to answer that question or have this discussion, as it would really be dependent on you having the same insight as I do(not your fault, btw)... But yes, I do believe he would...For the exact same reason I mentioned in the previous post...He'll go down as one of the best(maybe the best ever) at the position, despite not having the raw skills for the position...Shockingly, when he was drafted, a whopping 200 players were drafted before him....Think about that for a minute...Arguably the greatest player at his position wasn't even considered better than 200 players that came into the league the same year he did.. So you see, he didn't even have the "skill set" you are talking about....At least not near the level of some of his peers that didn't have a fraction of the success he has had... I just don't buy the situational or environment theory...I saw something recently about a prominent political leader here and it went on to show how this guy was his HS Class President...And you see this all the time...Its not situational...There is an inherent quality that just separates them from everyone else.. TFY put football guy into an aerobics class, a cooking class, a poetry club, a hiking group, etc.. will he still be the leader? Likely not. As for you know who ( political leader...),if he is who I think you are talking about,a great deal of his power and influence are related to his fiances. Would he still be regarded so highly if he had been born into a poor family? Would the same traits that serve him well some American political circles as valued in other places? Say,for example,would they be as valued in a country in Europe, Asia,Africa, South America? btw...thanks everyone for responding- I've enjoyed the conversation 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Lamare Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 put football guy into an aerobics class, a cooking class, a poetry club, a hiking group, etc.. will he still be the leader? Likely not. As for you know who ( political leader...),if he is who I think you are talking about,a great deal of his power and influence are related to his fiances. Would he still be regarded so highly if he had been born into a poor family? Would the same traits that serve him well some American political circles as valued in other places? Say,for example,would they be as valued in a country in Europe, Asia,Africa, South America? btw...thanks everyone for responding- I've enjoyed the conversation Also, without knowing the football guy what if his only skill is throwing a football around? A totally unreal scenario I know but using it for comparison, imagine dropping him into an operating theatre. His alphaness would be worth jack shoot. The alpha dog would be the head surgeon and football guy would be lower than the lowest theatre orderly in the pecking order. But, if football guy is intelligent and possesses good leadership skills maybe he could become the head of the hospital, whatever they're called. A shocking 78% of NFL players go bankrupt within 10 years or so. I doubt it's terribly alpha to say "I used to be rich and famous" while flipping burgers in Mcdonalds. 78% of NFL Players Go Bankrupt Within 5 Years & NBA Players In... - munKNEE dot.com I've never gone bankrupt, earn good, not fantastic money, 2 to 3 times the average salary and don't take or accept unnecessary crap from people. I'm in a niche career slot where barring severe misconduct on my behalf my employers will (at least I hope) never fire me. My responsibilities could involve death or serious injury were I to do my job ineptly. Does that make me over the whole period of my life more alpha than a football star who loses everything in bankruptcy and divorce? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetfish Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Also, without knowing the football guy what if his only skill is throwing a football around? A totally unreal scenario I know but using it for comparison, imagine dropping him into an operating theatre. His alphaness would be worth jack shoot. The alpha dog would be the head surgeon and football guy would be lower than the lowest theatre orderly in the pecking order. But, if football guy is intelligent and possesses good leadership skills maybe he could become the head of the hospital, whatever they're called. A shocking 78% of NFL players go bankrupt within 10 years or so. I doubt it's terribly alpha to say "I used to be rich and famous" while flipping burgers in Mcdonalds. 78% of NFL Players Go Bankrupt Within 5 Years & NBA Players In... - munKNEE dot.com I've never gone bankrupt, earn good, not fantastic money, 2 to 3 times the average salary and don't take or accept unnecessary crap from people. I'm in a niche career slot where barring severe misconduct on my behalf my employers will (at least I hope) never fire me. My responsibilities could involve death or serious injury were I to do my job ineptly. Does that make me over the whole period of my life more alpha than a football star who loses everything in bankruptcy and divorce? You argument has no value. Alpha and Beta does not define success..nor does it mean you jump from an A+ surgeon to Professional yoga instructor to master cook. Do you believe in the word passive aggressive? Shy? No confidence? They are all labels? Yet people are arguing not to label... A beta male is loosely define by those standards. He is passive-aggressive, doesn't ask for what he really wants, and usually unable to say no to satisfy ones needs. That's because a lot of men in this generation (not your generation) have been brought up to satisfy a women needs at any cost. Beta male doesn't define his level of success, but it can hinder his interactions with the people around him. Speaking of labels. Can anyone here define success or happiness? I bet you would gather many different answers and definitions. So where is this unicorn definition that everyone is searching for? Again, to a women the difference between alpha and beta has zero value to a women. Why would it and I don't blame them. A man of your age, again it has no value to you. Yet, in your post by definition you claim by definition you have a blend of both alpha and beta traits. I guess the term why do the bad boys get the girl or why the jerks always have the women is just some government coverup lol. Do all girls like jerks and bad boys no. I guess the James bonds, the Marlon brando's, the Bruce Waynes all don't share similar yet different traits define as alpha... In a sense you are typically saying that beautiful women do not activate something in a mans primitive brain. Do women enhance that beauty... yes they do? Basically you can say a women is ugly or beautiful and again its a label and the definition is loosely define, by race, location, and one self interpretation and many other factors. Women are attracted to a mans traits. (This is what activates her primitive brain) Words, actions, and how he handles him self. (however again its loosely define) Just how covergirl has define what beauty is. and exactly how TV define what a successful man is. People have taken the word alpha and beta and have their own define of it. This argument can go back and forth like republicans and democrats. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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