PUAs ?? How effective is this?

[SevenCity]

yeah I have to say, I haven't read up on PUA methods (I have no reason to).. but.....

 

My general impression, the guys who already have swagger use it to try to stack the numbers, the guys who don't have a way with ladies try to use it as a form of false confidence.

 

I have been hit on by guys in ways that left me scratching my head and wondering "did they read that in a book or something"?

 

There is something about being natural and yourself, and something usually detectable when doing what "one should be doing to get chicks".

 

Do PUA's recommend physical touch?

 

The guy tugging at my shirt (to say it was cute?), the guy wanting a high five, the guy reaching to fix the shoulder of my shirt, the guy who tried to slip his card into my pocket, the guy who put his hand around the small of my back to squeeze in next to me all come to mind.

 

Some do. I think it's called kino.

 

Other methods say to wait for the girl to initiate physical touching. That has worked well for me. Allow them to initiate then escalate at their pace.

 

Once you know what to look for you see the signs of interest clear as day. It's very helpful to know.

[Sweetfish]

OMG, come on, get serious.

 

If you add "...and INCREDIBLY insecure and possibly a former abuse victim" to the above then I can absolutely believe it.

 

Any woman I've ever known, including myself, who had even a modicum of self-respect had PUA style garbage (which, as some have said, is old as the sun or older...but now of course has increased in the misogyny factor, I mean it's just scary) down, and from that point forward rejected, by their early 20s at the very latest.

 

I know there are many here who will say "but just look at ALL the women who love abusers! Even prison inmates!" Yes, there are! Please refer to my sentence #2 above.

 

If that's the girl for you, then great! Have at the PUA stuff.

 

 

What is a PUA cookie?

[CaliforniaGirl]

What is a PUA cookie?

 

I'm sorry? You lost me. What do you mean by "PUA cookie"?

[Jj66]

I've not read any of the books or studied any of the methods. Truly never felt the need. I've never gone into a bar intending to pick someone up, but sometimes women just fall into my lap.

 

Some of the stuff I've learned about PUA by osmosis, I already do naturally. But mostly it doesn't matter what I do. If I am open and engaging, women are there. If I keep my head down and look at my phone or beer, they aren't.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Jj66

[Sweetfish]

I'm sorry? You lost me. What do you mean by "PUA cookie"?

 

I qouted the wrong poster... sorry...

 

I do not believe in PUA gimmicks. The reason why is because it means that the guy absorbing it is going to destory his whole constructed being and self then construct a new self. He will create a new morality and rules. He will not be his old self... call it a cult, a club, or rule book... but there is a reason the PUA community was developed and its growning. Fast...

 

Instead of making jabs at something... no one asks why? Why would someone go thru the trouble of reconstructing them selves... and I do believe their is another thread that will prove this...

 

 

Because women are not looking for NICE GUYS, or good guys, or decent guys. They start looking for these guys when they burnout... when they finally realize the deadbeats can't be changed.... now the reliable guy looks lucurative... its pretty F'ed up.. and I wonder if the women her have actually... searched

(Female profiles)and see what these profiles are... many are single mothers or women who been burned by the dead beats, the rough guy, the bad boy and now the nice guy becomes attractive because she yearns for stability.

 

Honestly... I wish some of the poster here would make a male profile and put everything they believe a guy should have and be and see how many responses they get.. how much effort and work these guys got to put in just to get 1 date... they will probably have to pay for.

 

These are the reason these boys are chasing these books..because being them selves is NOT good enough... women as a collective in my opinion are out marketing them selves out of MANY men and do not realize for every year she gets older a 21 or 22 year old comes out of college. A new group of compeition and this is what men like... good looking young women with enough IQ to balance a check book.

 

This is not the same for women as they are not interested in going down in age (in general) as they will not go down in height either. They pretty much look for a mature guy which means generally he is older... so you never have a fresh stock of men... they are men who have been divorced, dumped, or taken to the cleaners and sometimes you find that guy... "the right guy"

 

Men do not care about these factors...

 

Women in general are not attracted to these men... the guys who are into computers or politics, the guy that trades stocks and bonds. The guy who fixes everyones car or takes the virus off your laptop. A lot of men are these men and you bypass them.

 

This is the result of that....this is the result of the guys getting tired of hearing the friends boyfriend is a jerk or my husband abusive and so on.. she keeps these guys around filling the void the bf or husband cannot provide.

 

This is reality... "the truth"... but guess whats going to happen... someone is going to come in and make a post that what I wrote is not true... because they don't play games or they like nice guys... this post is not directed at you. This is about the other women who cannot date DOWN and when they date down its a dead beat they are trying to change or fix... its the guy who has access to many women because he makes 6 figures or super good looking..

 

Many young women are looking for exactly the opposite thay they are telling men... men follow this programming and cannot understand why they keep failing and look towards PUAs

 

You cannot go to one PUA site and say.... this is what a PUA is... every Jim or John has his own gimmicks... his own book and own idea.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Sweetfish

[Cookiesandough]

I qouted the wrong poster... sorry...

 

I do not believe in PUA gimmicks. The reason why is because it means that the guy absorbing it is going to destory his whole constructed being and self then construct a new self. He will create a new morality and rules. He will not be his old self... call it a cult, a club, or rule book... but there is a reason the PUA community was developed and its growning. Fast...

 

Instead of making jabs at something... no one asks why? Why would someone go thru the trouble of reconstructing them selves... and I do believe their is another thread that will prove this...

 

 

Because women are not looking for NICE GUYS, or good guys, or decent guys. They start looking for these guys when they burnout... when they finally realize the deadbeats can't be changed.... now the reliable guy looks lucurative... its pretty F'ed up.. and I wonder if the women her have actually... searched

(Female profiles)and see what these profiles are... many are single mothers or women who been burned by the dead beats, the rough guy, the bad boy and now the nice guy becomes attractive because she yearns for stability.

 

Honestly... I wish some of the poster here would make a male profile and put everything they believe a guy should have and be and see how many responses they get.. how much effort and work these guys got to put in just to get 1 date... they will probably have to pay for.

 

These are the reason these boys are chasing these books..because being them selves is NOT good enough... women as a collective in my opinion are out marketing them selves out of MANY men and do not realize for every year she gets older a 21 or 22 year old comes out of college. A new group of compeition and this is what men like... good looking women.

 

This is not the same for women as they are not interested in going down in age (in general) as they will not go down in height either. They pretty much look for a mature guy which means generally he is older... so you never have a fresh stock of men... they ate men who have been divorced, dumped, or taken to the cleaners and sometimes you find that guy.

 

Men do not care about these factors...

 

Women in general are not attracted to these men... the guys who are into computers or politics, the guy that trades stocks and bonds. The guy who fixes everyones car or takes the virus off your laptop.

 

This is the result of that....this is the result of the guys getting tired of hearing the friends boyfriend is a jerk or my husband abusive and so on.. she keeps these guys around filling the void the bf or husband cannot provide.

 

This is reality... "the truth"... but guess whats going to happen... someone is going to come in and make a post that what I wrote is not true... because they don't play games or they like nice guys... this post is not directed at you. This is about the other women who cannot date DOWN and when they date down its a dead beat they are trying to change or fix... its the guy who has access to many women because he makes 6 figures or super good looking..

 

Many young women are looking for exactly the opposite thay they are telling men... men follow this programming and cannot understand why they keep failing and look towards PUAs

 

You cannot go to one PUA site and say.... this is what a PUA is... every Jim or John has his own gimmicks... his own book and

A gem of a PUA tip :

"She is a 9 and you are a 7, use High Octane Material.* Be more assertive.* Give her at least 3 negs.* Do takeaways at emotional spike points.** Push and pull more.* Open loop her.* Qualify her.* Get her seeking validation, acceptance and approval from you.

If her value is lower than yours, do not need to use negs.* Instead, be more playful.* Show more insecurities.* Make a sincere compliment.* So always calibrate who, what, and where you are picking up.* CALIBRATION is the name of the GAME:

 

 

"High octane material"lol. Seriously, why would any self-respecting "9" seek validation, acceptance, and approval from a "7" who is "negging", "open looping" (whatever that means) and "qualifying" her instead of speaking to her like the normal person she is? We may all seek validation from someone, but this concept normal people are seeking it from an unattractive person who is manipulating/harassing them. This doesn't quite make sense to me.

 

Maybe because the girl turns into a stage 5 clinger after this guys think "wow! She really likes me! This works!!!" Perhaps she's just mentally unstable and desperate for any validation she can get?

 

 

I think it's no coincidence so many of these PUA "experts" end up with sexual assault suits or in hot water for advocating rape. This stuff is misogynistic and they're so desperate for poon they're part of a culture based solely around getting it. Just look at RooshV's (at risk of ovary prolapse).He has to get women extremely wasted and deprived of all faculties to sleep with him and he suggests other men do this as well. When it doesn't work he blames socialism.

 

Another thing I've noticed!! dudes are often so off with these 'signs' or IOIs. Just because a girl touches her hair or plays with her jewelry does not necessarily mean she wants your D. It's usually a nervous habit. She could be nervous because she's super attracted to you, the master of psychological manipulation, or she could be nervous 'cuz you're creeping her out with your escalating kino and she's contemplating her easiest escape route.

 

 

I see what you're saying, sweet fish..they're all different but it's still fake.

But I can't believe that's true about what women want...I can only speak for myself but I don't think I am a particularly unique woman.

 

I am not looking for the most attractive or makes good money or hasn't been dumped. I'm not looking for the most degrees or talented or funny.

 

I just want a guy I'm attracted to on the inside and out. I want someone who takes care of themselves. Someone with individuality and confidence. Someone from a healthy upbringing. Someone who is good to me and treats me(and all women)with respect. Someone who I'm compatible with and enjoy being around even if we don't have everything in common. Someone genuine with a strong base of who they are. I see any manipulation or fake/games, I am out...

 

When I write it out it seems like my standards are pretty low, but that's like impossible for me to find.

 

 

I feel like most men think they know what women want and vice versa and a lot of it ends up missing each other .... people that dgaf, like TRULY don't, not just feigning it( like jj66) are the most successful in both genders it seems???

Edited March 23, 2017 by Cookiesandough

[CaliforniaGirl]

Sweetfish, I get that guys who resort to this sort of thing think they "have" to.

 

And yes, I get how weird and distorted OLD is.

 

BUT I disagree that women only go to decent men when they (the women) "burn out." Although the number has been rising over the decades, even today, a majority of women marry early.

 

The average is still only 27 in the U.S. for a woman's first marriage and that's I think greater than 50% of the adult population. I posted something similar in another thread, so sorry to be redundant, but let's take a fairly typical (if there is such a thing) relationship scenario.

 

If the woman is already married, paper signed, BY 27 (as an average), then...say she dated her BF for, oh, two years before they decided to marry. Then they were engaged for about a year, sorting things out, planning, figuring out where to live, etc. That means this hypothetical, average U.S. woman was only 24 years old (yes, only 24) when she began to be thick into the relationship with her "forever" man...who, although he doesn't HAVE to be nice, has probably way more of a shot of being a very average guy just wanting an average life v., say, a super-top-tier playboy simply by the numbers (the latter obviously being in the minority) - ergo, a "bad boy".

 

"Burnout" to the point of "finally" settling for a "nice" guy...by 24?

 

I'm not buying it.

 

Now. OLD? If we haven't ALL learned by now that the internet as a whole, and absolutely OLD as a category, is a bizarre circus of weirdness barely resembling real life, we haven't learned a thing. If OLD isn't working...try something else. (Not you personally, Sweetfish, I mean "you" in general.) Like meeting women in person. Yes, that does still happen. The latest Pew stats I've read put a little less than 1/3 of relationships as starting on OLD. Thought that seems like a lot, and as a total number of souls, is, turn it around. It means greater than 2/3 of couples DIDN'T meet via OLD. Obviously, meeting someone IRL can happen, and does...for a still overwhelming percentage of people. Average, ordinary, boring people. Unless you imagine 66% of U.S. men are gorgeous, rich and out-of-the-ballpark amazing. (Hint: they're not.)

 

I do not buy that "nice" men by droves are just fallbacks for beaten down, torn up, exhausted old 24-year-olds willing to settle for them, nor am I buying that it's okay to be too lazy to decide to get up off one's ass from the computer and REALLY MEET people (as more than 66% of people ARE currently doing...people of all types...including, by definition of the word, decidedly average, non-remarkable people). OLD is forcing men into PUA? No. Ridiculous megalomania of "I deserve to 'pull' 9s and get loads of kitty I can then throw away, and this guy on the internet is promising me I can do that" is "forcing" men into PUA, if forcing is the right word (second hint: it's not).

 

Yeah, I know. "But there are all kinds of PUA!" Please tell me with a straight face that most of the desperate for kitty, entitled, angry, bitter dudes looking into this stuff are looking for touchy-feely, gentle, woman's individuality-appreciating, social skills-boosting "PUA Light" rather than the thousands of "Pull girls - I'm ugly and I do 3 women a week!" sites, books, programs, etc. blaring absolutely everywhere.

 

If that's giving PUA a bad name, well, it's PUA defining itself; I don't see how any one person can object to how an organization presents itself claiming that's not the right way to do it or something. Obviously there are all kinds of methods and so on to PUA but we all know (clearly) the nasty little catch phrases, attitudes, manipulation and so on that are pretty much epidemic in said community. So come on now.

 

With all that said, it's still sad because who's really getting scr*wed? Not "young tight hottie 9s!!!" (Not by these guys, anyway.) Rather, the ones getting scr*wed are the young guys getting their hopes dashed once again when losers like Roosh in his mother's basement promise them the moon, they get an inflated, unrealistic view of this Heffner lifestyle they imagine they're suddenly going to obtain, but never actually do.

[curiouslysearching]

Cookie....you want what you want and that is what you SHOULD have

and hopefully WILL FIND....never be sorry for knowing what you

want and going for it........you are a 10+ in my book

[todreaminblue]

pick up artistry is hustling......portraying an image or design that isnt true to who you are to get what you want.......

 

it like a hooker rort.......convincing a guy to spend money on you when he doesnt want to to take all you can and moving on to the next john...........its a con.....

 

the thing is ...if legit guys use pua to get a woman and then think they can revert to who they truly are.....and how they truly want to treat a woman .......it doesnt work....because pick up artistry isnt about quality its about mass production leaving no room for uniqueness or individuality but follows set guidelines and old tired lines and practices that eventually run out of paint.......the girl who falls for pua .....wont want the good guy underneath she will want the surface guy

 

guys should be who they are....treat women who they were taught to treat women.....with respect and honesty add value to relationships and build them up on committed attitudes...... maybe then this pick up artistry crap can be put to bed or left to professionals to grift their way to the illusion of happiness.....if you want to find a partner who truly loves you and accepts you.... i dont feel manipulation is the way to go ...ever...that goes for women or men........deb

[Sweetfish]

A gem of a PUA tip :

"She is a 9 and you are a 7, use High Octane Material.* Be more assertive.* Give her at least 3 negs.* Do takeaways at emotional spike points.** Push and pull more.* Open loop her.* Qualify her.* Get her seeking validation, acceptance and approval from you.

If her value is lower than yours, do not need to use negs.* Instead, be more playful.* Show more insecurities.* Make a sincere compliment.* So always calibrate who, what, and where you are picking up.* CALIBRATION is the name of the GAME:

 

 

"High octane material"lol. Seriously, why would any self-respecting "9" seek validation, acceptance, and approval from a "7" who is "negging", "open looping" (whatever that means) and "qualifying" her instead of speaking to her like the normal person she is? We may all seek validation from someone, but this concept normal people are seeking it from an unattractive person who is manipulating/harassing them. This doesn't quite make sense to me.

 

 

 

I never said or approved of any PUA content... These books or informational sites are to bring traffic good or bad to make money in anyway possible. You simply going to the site where ever you "clip" this information they will make a clean profit from advertisers.

 

These are all games and tricks to exercise a women full spectrum of emotions basically exploiting her feelings. A women who is a 9 or 10 probably has men at her beckon call and will be confused by a man who does not submit as other men do. I know 9's and they all told they are pretty, men break neck for them and get special treatment all the time. Men do not approach her in public places... but she knows if she went online or a bar she will have a buffet a men looking to have "Sex" or approach her in reality.

 

Let me ask you a question...? Its no secret women love assertive men (in general) right.. can we agree with that...? So if a guy is a 7 and place the girl on a pedestal its over... he is done. This is what guys do...why?? because that is what society is telling men to do... put women on a pedestal, be romantic, send flowers, fix whats broken, make sure she is safe and all her needs are taken care of...

 

So you found some random PUA garbage... and post it here. Ok here is my rebuttal.

 

Cosmopolitan is one of the LEADING women's magazine and let me take a clip from here.. this is a nationwide magazine put in stores around the world that million of girls read.

 

1. Don't Disregard the Basics

Even the best ninja-level seduction tricks will be useless if you don't practice good fundamentals. You may have heard of, or even used, these maneuvers before, but their success makes them worth repeating. For starters, always keep your group of girls nice and small. "It's ideal to go out with just one or two other friends," says relationship expert Krista Bloom, PhD, author of The Ultimate Compatibility Quiz. "If you're with a larger group, pair off for 30-minute intervals to give guys the opportunity to come up to you."

Choose your wingwomen wisely — you want to be surrounded by friends who are outgoing and don't need to be babysat — and avoid standing so that your shoulders are squared toward each other; physical openness will send the message that you're okay with being approached and not engrossed in an intimate convo. Be sure to plant yourselves in a high-traffic area near the center of the room...but never near an exit. You may get noticed there, but dudes who constantly eyeball the door are likely to be always looking for the next best thing.

 

4. Subtly Show Off Your Lower Half

Most men won't appreciate your killer pair of designer heels — well, most straight guys, anyway — but strategically encouraging them to bring their focus downward will still work wonders to lure them over. "When you're seated on a banquette or bar stool, try crossing and uncrossing your legs every minute or two," says body-language expert Janine Driver. "It's a flirtatious action that draws attention to a body

part that men crave touching."

Another trick: While one of your legs is crossed over the other, dangle your shoe from your toes so that it's half off your foot. Not only does this action indicate that you're unlikely to bolt if he approaches you, but it also suggests that you're extremely relaxed and self-assured.

 

A low-cut top and a smile may lure him in, but you need to appeal to his subconscious to make him approach you. These tips will help you attract hot guys like crazy— even the ones you thought were out of your league.

 

 

So why can't she simply approach the man if she likes him

 

There is garbage on both ends Cookiesandough.

[Sweetfish]

I just want a guy I'm attracted to on the inside and out. I want someone who takes care of themselves. Someone with individuality and confidence. Someone from a healthy upbringing. Someone who is good to me and treats me(and all women)with respect. Someone who I'm compatible with and enjoy being around even if we don't have everything in common. Someone genuine with a strong base of who they are. I see any manipulation or fake/games, I am out...

 

Plenty of guys like this... many.. you just don't want them or you want them to come to you. I notice women don't want to put in the hard work of approaching a guy. They want the perks of a traditional relationship and yearn to be a millennial. They want equality..but want chivalry. They want the man of the 50's arch-type...but many women want to absolve their arch-type and take on a masculine role that men do not find attractive. It seems to be not working, the divorce numbers prove this...

 

 

I feel like most men think they know what women want and vice versa and a lot of it ends up missing each other

Cookie im going to be honest with you... I don't think most women know what they want and most men don't know what women want. But I will tell you what I observed. Women in general do not take the effort to know what men want and how men feel and a woman's feelings are usually the dominating force of many relationship. They don't understand that their actions too can turn men off and push them away and drive the guy to even cheat. Many women will not express problems in relationship and bottle them up hoping they some how he will connect and find out or that maybe her feeling will change over time.. Men are often more stubborn but yet flexible... we usually don't hold grudges we usually don't dig into the past and we try to resolve things as many men are problem solvers. Men are willing to work on them selves and change and often women refuse to fix issues and when they do its MONTHS later.

 

I think a lot of women do not try to understand men because instead of learning about men.. they simply acquire another... until one simply meshes with them...but mathematically How many times do you do this?

 

This is why women do not (AGAIN) like to date down because they need a man who has experience with women.

[Cookiesandough]

.I notice women don't want to put in the hard work of approaching a guy ... but many women want to absolve their arch-type and take on a masculine role that men do not find attractive

 

Are you saying women should assume the traditionally masculine role and approach men or don't because men they don't find it attractive?

 

Cookie im going to be honest with you... I don't think most women know what they want and most men don't know what women want. But I will tell you what I observed. Women in general do not take the effort to know what men want and how men feel and a woman's feelings are usually the dominating force of many relationship. They don't understand that their actions too can turn men off and push them away and drive the guy to even cheat. Many women will not express problems in relationship and bottle them up hoping they some how he will connect and find out or that maybe her feeling will change over time.. Men are often more stubborn but yet flexible... we usually don't hold grudges we usually don't dig into the past and we try to resolve things as many men are problem solvers. Men are willing to work on them selves and change and often women refuse to fix issues and when they do its MONTHS later.

 

I think a lot of women do not try to understand men because instead of learning about men.. they simply acquire another... until one simply meshes with them...but mathematically How many times do you do this?

 

This is why women do not (AGAIN) like to date down because they need a man who has experience with women.

 

 

Respectfully, sweet fish, that all sounds like bunch of blanket generalizations to me. "Women do this which causes men to do this..." "We men are like this" "Women don't know what they want. This is what they really want..."

 

 

And that what PUA is hinged on, one big sweeping generalization about the psychology of women as a collective while it really just applies to the most vulnerable, insecure, and/or dense.

 

 

Unfortunately, I guess that's enough for most of them.

[Cookiesandough]

Cookie....you want what you want and that is what you SHOULD have

and hopefully WILL FIND....never be sorry for knowing what you

want and going for it........you are a 10+ in my book

 

Thank you, curiously. I seriously dunno what to say you are so kind. You're on my pedestal. You're so kind to everyone and bring good humor here.

[Sweetfish]

Respectfully, sweet fish, that all sounds like bunch of blanket generalizations to me. "Women do this which causes men to do this..." "We men are like this" "Women don't know what they want. This is what they really want..."

 

Cookie I've been on here well enough to see interesting hypocritical things here on L.S.

 

There have been many generalizations made by women here about men and that seems to be Ok, when the coin is flipped the mood changes and when I make a clear cut point... there is no response to the point. IE: my rebuttal with Cosmopolitan Magazine (which pretty much mirrors your PUA snip-it) you did not and could not counter it so therefore you did not respond to it.

 

 

I also try to clearly sate that all women are not such... but I will ask this question again...and in a different way.

 

Are your girlfriends who are 7,8,or 9 looking for guys or dating guys who are nice and reliable and loyal. They bring flowers, leave cards that say "i love you" they are reliable take them out to dinner? Intelligent and versatile in computers, business or politics? When they are sick they go out and buy soup or cough candy? Are these the type of guys they seek?

 

And that what PUA is hinged on, one big sweeping generalization about the psychology of women as a collective while it really just applies to the most vulnerable, insecure, and/or dense

 

 

BINGO! and a lot of women who are 8,9, and 10 are vulnerable and insecure.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Sweetfish

[basil67]

Are your girlfriends who are 7,8,or 9 looking for guys or dating guys who are nice and reliable and loyal. They bring flowers, leave cards that say "i love you" they are reliable take them out to dinner? Intelligent and versatile in computers, business or politics? When they are sick they go out and buy soup or cough candy? Are these the type of guys they seek?

 

With the exception of the soppy romance, my friends who are attractive and educated have mostly ended up marrying guys with personalities like you describe. Those guys might like a few nights out with the boys instead of romance, but they will organise dinners, weekends away and have intelligent conversation. They are also the guys who will pick up a bottle of wine, diapers or tampons if required.

 

Is this the answer you were expecting or something else? Your post didn't make it clear.

 

Also, if women who are 8,9 and 10 are vulnerable and insecure, why are they considered to be out of the league of the average dude? If they were that pathetic as a group, surely they'd go for anyone who gave them attention?

[Cookiesandough]

Cookie I've been on here well enough to see interesting hypocritical things here on L.S.

There have been many generalizations made by women here about men and that seems to be Ok, when the coin is flipped the mood changes and when I make a clear cut point... there is no response to the point. IE: my rebuttal with Cosmopolitan Magazine (which pretty much mirrors your PUA snip-it) you did not and could not counter it so therefore you did not respond to it.

 

 

I also try to clearly sate that all women are not such... but I will ask this question again...and in a different way.

Are your girlfriends who are 7,8,or 9 looking for guys or dating guys who are nice and reliable and loyal. They bring flowers, leave cards that say "i love you" they are reliable take them out to dinner? Intelligent and versatile in computers, business or politics? When they are sick they go out and buy soup or cough candy? Are these the type of guys they seek?

Lol, pretty much, yes. All my friends are 8,9, and 10s to me and nearly all have boyfriends. They're all nice and loyal (that I know of) I don't know if they are good with computers lol(though I think one works in IT..or programming idk) Most of my friends are emotionally and mentally intelligent women who have much more going for them than their looks. Their boyfriends seem to spoil them from my perspective.

 

 

BINGO! and a lot of women who are 8,9, and 10 are vulnerable and insecure.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion. I disagree. I don't believe looks (which I'm assuming is the only thing you are referring to by the rating)has much to do with those things. Edited March 23, 2017 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
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[Sweetfish]

With the exception of the soppy romance, my friends who are attractive and educated have mostly ended up marrying guys with personalities like you describe. Those guys might like a few nights out with the boys instead of romance, but they will organise dinners, weekends away and have intelligent conversation. They are also the guys who will pick up a bottle of wine, diapers or tampons if required.

 

Is this the answer you were expecting or something else? Your post didn't make it clear.

 

Also, if women who are 8,9 and 10 are vulnerable and insecure, why are they considered to be out of the league of the average dude? If they were that pathetic as a group, surely they'd go for anyone who gave them attention?

 

yes... and please don't take it out of context... a lot of women who are 8,9, and 10 are less secure and vulnerable than perceived and I should have word it differently as well.

[basil67]

I don't know how you came to this conclusion. I disagree. I don't believe looks (which I'm assuming is the only thing you are referring to by the rating)has much to do with those things.

 

Ya, I think that insecurity etc comes from a combination of nature, nurture and life experience. Not looks.

[Cookiesandough]

Oh and btw I don't read cosmo. I agree that article was ridiculous, but I do know that there are articles in cosmo about recipes and yoga poses. The whole magazine is not dedicated to how to trick men into sleeping with you so I don't think it's a fair comparison

Edited March 23, 2017 by Cookiesandough

[CaliforniaGirl]

Cookie I've been on here well enough to see interesting hypocritical things here on L.S.

 

There have been many generalizations made by women here about men and that seems to be Ok, when the coin is flipped the mood changes and when I make a clear cut point... there is no response to the point. IE: my rebuttal with Cosmopolitan Magazine (which pretty much mirrors your PUA snip-it) you did not and could not counter it so therefore you did not respond to it.

 

 

I also try to clearly sate that all women are not such... but I will ask this question again...and in a different way.

 

Are your girlfriends who are 7,8,or 9 looking for guys or dating guys who are nice and reliable and loyal. They bring flowers, leave cards that say "i love you" they are reliable take them out to dinner? Intelligent and versatile in computers, business or politics? When they are sick they go out and buy soup or cough candy? Are these the type of guys they seek?

 

 

 

 

BINGO! and a lot of women who are 8,9, and 10 are vulnerable and insecure.

 

Cosmo is an absolute laughingstock among most women I know...Cosmo is MOSTLY popular for its occasional very risqué content and for its fashion angle. It is cheap dirty fun in an acceptable format (magazine) so women can read about "Five Positions He Loves That'll SHOCK You!" while pretending they picked it up for the Six Easy Spring Fashion Pieces You'll LOVE article. It's the women's version of (snicker) Men's Health.

 

The advice in Cosmo is hilarious. My mom, sister and I used to get it once in a while to take the quizzes and just crack up and to read the dirty stuff.

 

Cross and uncross your legs once in a while...LOLOL...yeah every woman I know does that...come on. Not.

 

What was the point...that Cosmo gives advice that could be dangerous to men like the PUA mentality can be dangerous to women? Only if uncrossing legs, getting an ugly independent wing woman and "that one secret trick that will drive him CRAZY....try it tonight!" are endangering the safety and psychological welfare of men everywhere.

[Moves Like Jagger]

Do you know why PUA is popular? Just read the threads started by the guys in this folder. They try to talk to girls. They ask them out. Yet these guys absolutely go nowhere. Just being yourself and talking to girls doesn't work for a lot of guys because of major issues like appearance or social awkwardness.

 

Instead of getting mentored and correcting their mistakes, these guys are advised to be patient and to just be yourself. Not surprisingly, these socially awkward guys misinterpret being yourself as making the same mistakes over and over again instead of being genuine and authentic.

 

It's interesting because PUA originated from anonymous guys posting on a newsgroup which is similar to a message board. PUA is full of bluster. PUAs make outrageous claims. They make vulgar statements about sex and women. The critics are correct. A lot of the PUA community is vulgar and misogynist. I admit that the quality of PUA message boards have deteriorated drastically in the past five years. It went from guys exchanging strategies and techniques that worked to teens bragging about their sexual conquest. With that said, a lot of PUA advice works. Expressing yourself and flirting is much better than asking a billion, boring questions. Working out and wearing stylish clothes is better than dressing up like an accountant.

 

Let's examine the alternatives to PUA. You have your parents and your friends telling you that you don't need to change because women already like nice guys. Who cares about trivial things like getting in shape or living away from your parents. You have people in the Internet that tell you that love happens when you are not trying.

[TheTraveler]

I do not believe in PUA gimmicks.

 

So why are you here commenting endlessly about the topic?

[TheTraveler]

Do you know why PUA is popular? Just read the threads started by the guys in this folder. They try to talk to girls. They ask them out. Yet these guys absolutely go nowhere. Just being yourself and talking to girls doesn't work for a lot of guys because of major issues like appearance or social awkwardness.

 

Instead of getting mentored and correcting their mistakes, these guys are advised to be patient and to just be yourself. Not surprisingly, these socially awkward guys misinterpret being yourself as making the same mistakes over and over again instead of being genuine and authentic.

 

It's interesting because PUA originated from anonymous guys posting on a newsgroup which is similar to a message board. PUA is full of bluster. PUAs make outrageous claims. They make vulgar statements about sex and women. The critics are correct. A lot of the PUA community is vulgar and misogynist. I admit that the quality of PUA message boards have deteriorated drastically in the past five years. It went from guys exchanging strategies and techniques that worked to teens bragging about their sexual conquest. With that said, a lot of PUA advice works. Expressing yourself and flirting is much better than asking a billion, boring questions. Working out and wearing stylish clothes is better than dressing up like an accountant.

 

Let's examine the alternatives to PUA. You have your parents and your friends telling you that you don't need to change because women already like nice guys. Who cares about trivial things like getting in shape or living away from your parents. You have people in the Internet that tell you that love happens when you are not trying.

 

Agree with the above

[Sweetfish]

With the exception of the soppy romance, my friends who are attractive and educated have mostly ended up marrying guys with personalities like you describe. Those guys might like a few nights

 

This statement was specifically for cookie as I have a general idea of her age and she has made comments that there are no decent guys so in its self that's a contradiction (as to how her friends acquired good decent guys if none are around). However, I want to respond to your statement as again I did not say attractive women who are educated are not capable of finding quality guys and never dictated anything as concrete.

 

Attractive educated women have a harder time finding a man and this is actually progressively getting worse specially in the united states. Many women will not look for men below their education or below their annual income and/or men will not date them. Educated and attractive women will also will use Online dating as a method of dating which is a cesspool in its self already filled with fakes and catfishes. I'm also curious to know if these guys are with the same fiscal/education bracket as they women and do any of the men make less than the women they are married to... (water seeks its own level)

 

Attractive women and Educated women are lease approached by men because many men are not confident to approach these women. Some women as they get older and reach 30-35 the insecurity grows and become more vulnerable. Pull away the educated part and they are more vulnerable.

 

Some of these PUA type guys I've seen them and they are good...really good and they will gain her trust and use her... I've seen it done many many many times. Why...because men never approach them and they do..they do not know they are a PUA and maybe your confusing PUA with just some typical guy trying to get laid you see in the clubs or bars.. but a PUA will not try to sex you up or get laid on the spot...he will NOT appear creepy so your way off.

 

I think you do not know what a PUA is... I think your way off.. maybe copycats or rookies. Skimming the internet for 30 minutes and now there are PUAs everywhere? You may have never ran into a PUA. Did the guy tell you he was one? He had a PUA card or something or are you assuming? Trust me I've seen these guys and the most confidant women have been burn.

 

 

Lol, pretty much, yes. All my friends are 8,9, and 10s to me and nearly all have boyfriends. They're all nice and loyal (that I know of) I don't know if they are good with computers lol(though I think one works in IT..or programming idk) Most of my friends are emotionally and mentally intelligent women who have much more going for them than their looks. Their boyfriends seem to spoil them from my perspective.

 

I don't know how you came to this conclusion. I disagree. I don't believe looks (which I'm assuming is the only thing you are referring to by the rating)has much to do with those things.

 

 

Ok, so first all your friends are 8,9, and 10s. They all look like models and movie stars? Second most men do not equate numbers with IQ and mentality. Looks have a huge impact on a person in regards to nature and nurture. That's absolutely absurd to say there is no correlation or effect.

 

Oh and btw I don't read cosmo. I agree that article was ridiculous, but I do know that there are articles in cosmo about recipes and yoga poses. The whole magazine is not dedicated to how to manipulate men into sleeping with you so I don't think it's a fair comparison

 

if anything...cosmo and redbook are WORSE and if anything is beyond fair.

 

Relationship Games You Should Play

 

You've heard you shouldn't toy with men. Forget it. Dating is a sport, and these sexy little tricks and covert love maneuvers are all within the rules.

 

 

 

How everybody wins: Maintaining your own life acts like claustrophobia kryptonite. "When you show that you like him but your world doesn't revolve around him, it says you're confident and self-reliant — two very sexy traits to a guy," says Argov. "Men often fear losing their independence, but when a woman hints that she doesn't need a guy, suddenly his fears of being smothered vanish and he's begging to be penned into your day planner." And, says Kreidman, "too many women brush off their friends and hobbies for a man. Playing this game gives her a better grip on balancing her life."The game plan: Plain and simple — tickle his jealousy bone. Rebecca, 20, realized this worked when she went to her new boyfriend Ken's office Christmas party. "When I ordered a particular type of wine at the bar, a man to my left remarked on my good taste," she recalls. "We started talking, and within minutes, Ken came over...and didn't leave my side all night." Make him feel like he has to fight for your attention. Casually talk to cute men in his presence, mention male friends in your conversations ("Javier said the funniest thing the other day..."), and let him witness other guys checking you out. According to a study from McGill University in Montreal, boys will battle just for the competition. So when you throw in an alluring reward — that would be you — well, stand back. Just don't touch or share sexual innuendoes with other dudes. The idea is to pique his jealousy, not piss him off.

 

 

yes.. add some yoga articles and grandma's chicken pot pie recipes and its all fair. Really?

[Sweetfish]

So why are you here commenting endlessly about the topic?

 

Do I not have the freedom to post and exercise my time as I please

 

and notice I said gimmicks