loony Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale good observation DEVILDAWG...why you think that women love watching soaps and reality shows?? boredom is their mortal enemy, in all areas of life. Go and sell your nonsense to someone else or try to meet some real women instead of the brainless dummies you're used to. Link to post Share on other sites
Devildog Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale good observation DEVILDAWG...why you think that women love watching soaps and reality shows?? boredom is their mortal enemy, in all areas of life. I was actually going to use the soap and reality show tendencies to show my point! I just figured being that blunt about it would get me flamed.... Originally posted by looney Go and sell your nonsense to someone else or try to meet some real women instead of the brainless dummies you're used to. Like that. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by loony Go and sell your nonsense to someone else or try to meet some real women instead of the brainless dummies you're used to. Majority of women I know or have dated are college-educated professionals Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by d'Arthez People are, more often than not, quite simple to understand. Not necessarily. People change. In order to determine whether a relationship is the right one for you, you have to figure out who it is you're with and whether that person's character is capable of altering according to external circumstances and influences. I don't think that's always as easy to figure out as you're suggesting. A person can seem very authentic in their beliefs and personality, and have sufficient intelligence to rationalise very well any behaviour that is inconsistent with that belief system. Also, some people don't want to be understood, because they construe that as a sign that they're ordinary and predictable.. That can be incredibly taxing for a partner to deal with, but there may be other good qualities that make it seem worth the effort at the time. I don't agree that it's necessarily obsessive for a partner to put that effort in, but it can be a grave mistake and an ultimately fruitless exercise. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I think people are very easy to understand. It's the emotional attachment that complicates everything. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I'm seriously annoyed when some people on this messageboard claim that the majority of women watches soap operas and reality shows. As if you guys are driving the fast lane when it comes to making intelligent tv program choices. Oh, yeah... Link to post Share on other sites
d'Arthez Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by lindya Not necessarily. People change. Yes, but if you are dating a "Beethoven", he won't change into a "Wagner." Both share many similarities, but also essential dissimilarities. The same holds true for people who don't suffer from extreme psychological disorders.People cannot change as much as we like to think. You may be a Republican voting Democrat (and no, the difference between the two is not as big as many people think), but that is still a long shot from becoming a "lawless anarchist punk", is not it? In order to determine whether a relationship is the right one for you, you have to figure out who it is you're with and whether that person's character is capable of altering according to external circumstances and influences. I don't think that's always as easy to figure out as you're suggesting. A person can seem very authentic in their beliefs and personality, and have sufficient intelligence to rationalise very well any behaviour that is inconsistent with that belief system. One problem you refer to, is whether to attribute something to interior or exterior circumstances. You should consider both possibilities. If a person attributes everything that goes wrong to exterior circumstances, you will have a warning sign, that he in all likelihood suffers from self-esteem and self-worth issues, which cause him to have these bad situations. Something similar can be said if someone blames everything that goes wrong on interior factors. Of course character is influenced by external circumstances. But not in an unexpected way, world shaking way. It does not require intelligence but intellect to make all these rationalizations. It takes intelligence to spot them and dismantle them. You will see his / her behavior not best in the artificial situation, but in less artificial situations. If you are at a place to raise-funds for the homeless you will be seen by a lot of people, thus encouraging you to give some money (highly artificial situation). If you run into a beggar in the street, you are not being watched by these people. And if you run in someone who is going from door to door to raise money for the homeless, you will have another situation. And then of course, if his motivation is authentic, he will behave even at the event itself in a different way, than when he has an inauthentic motivation. That requires a bit of observation skills, or that the other person behaves in such a bizarre fashion, that the belief and his behavior are far apart. But you will not get the answers you are looking for by giving up your life. It is like chess. Normally you play games that last 4-7 hours. But that does not mean that the quality of the ideas you generate in that time is much higher, than when you are playing a game that lasts 20 minutes at most. Also, some people don't want to be understood, because they construe that as a sign that they're ordinary and predictable.. That can be incredibly taxing for a partner to deal with, but there may be other good qualities that make it seem worth the effort at the time. Yes, that is taxing. But it is actually quite a common occurrence. People derive their alleged individuality from the most bizarre things. A person who fears to be understood, is more like an onion. If you peel of layer by layer, you will find that there is essentially nothing there. But the good qualities are also tainted by the bad qualities. You can't be a spiritual pure person, if you don't mind lying, deceit et cetera. And how can the alleged qualities of a person mean something, if the person himself is more like an empty shell? I don't agree that it's necessarily obsessive for a partner to put that effort in, but it can be a grave mistake and an ultimately fruitless exercise. "Obsessive" may have been a slight exaggeration. But if you are occupied with that 24/7, it is no exaggeration at all - and if you drop a lot of interests to figure things out, you may consider that a slight obsession. Originally posted by loony I'm seriously annoyed when some people on this messageboard claim that the majority of women is watching soap operas and reality shows. As if you guys are driving the fast lane when it comes to making intelligent tv program choices. Oh, yeah... Loony, we all know that watching American football is the only way to enlightenment . Link to post Share on other sites
JS17 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by westernxer I think people are very easy to understand. It's the emotional attachment that complicates everything. excellent Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 A person who fears to be understood, is more like an onion. If you peel of layer by layer, you will find that there is essentially nothing there. Yes. I think you've described narcissism in a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by loony Go and sell your nonsense to someone else or try to meet some real women instead of the brainless dummies you're used to. responds Alphamale Majority of women I know or have dated are college-educated professionals Note: salient point is 'datED'. Gee. I wonder why they're not around now? I bet if you look you'll find that 'studies show that the majority of colleg-educated professionals can't stand misogynists'. Link to post Share on other sites
A Fly onThe Wall Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast Note: salient point is 'datED'. Gee. I wonder why they're not around now? I bet if you look you'll find that 'studies show that the majority of colleg-educated professionals can't stand misogynists'. Ouch.. I smell Alpha flesh burning somewhere Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I smell Alpha flesh burning somewhere Are you insinuating that he lives in a very warm locale? Maybe uses a few pitchforks in his trade? Link to post Share on other sites
cybink Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle I was once a good man then a woman turned me into a lmsogynistic jerk. Woggle, you got that right - you are a jerk. I don't know why you even bother wasting your time frequenting this forum, because the moderator always deletes what you say anyway, which I think is highly amusing and gives me a great chuckle. Link to post Share on other sites
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