scratch Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by crazy_grl If a guy or a girl can't accept that their SO is uncomfortable with strip clubs, then they're not showing respect. All the justifications they can think of don't change that. A problem I envision with your reasoning is that the whole key is the exercise in mutual line-drawing. What if your (plural hereafter) SO is uncomfortable with you watching sports, or being in an automobile? I suppose that if they are uncomfortable with things past a point where you don't feel it is reasonable, they will cease to be your SO. Thus, it is very important to be able to communicate the basis for your discomfort, to explain why you feel it justified to restrain them in any given way. Link to post Share on other sites
noname Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by LucreziaBorgia What about the guys that just like looking at naked aesthetically pleasing women for fun? Most of the guys I know (and including myself as a woman, as I have a very healthy appreciation for hot women) just go there to enjoy the scenery and throw back a few beers. When a hot woman is dancing up on me, I don't think "I wonder if she finds me attractive" or "I think this is a woman I'd like to date and spend quality time with". I just enjoy the mindless pleasure of the proximity of a hot woman. Nothing more, nothing less. Most guys I know are the same. Its flesh and blood fantasy - you get nothing more when you leave after the experience than you would when you turn off the porn in your DVD player. The club I go to here has a very strict 'no touch' policy. If you are getting a lap dance, she can touch you - but your hands have to stay down at your sides, and there is usually a big, bald burly looking bouncer right there in case a guy tries to reciprocate. Maybe its different in other clubs, where the guy gets to grab her while she's dancing and grind her down on him for a dry hump - but certainly not in the places I've been. Its just a way to have it right up in your face but with no intent to actually reciprocate (lest you find your noggin busted by the bouncer). I'm sure a healthy, sexually aware male is going to get a boner or at least think about having sex with her while its happening - but does that mean that he is going to? Nope. I guess the crux of the problem lies in the girlfriend knowing that her boyfriend is going to have sexual thoughts about some other woman. But, heck - that happens all the time strip club or no. I guess the strip club is something that is more or less a guarantee that he is going to have sexual thoughts. Of course, I guess if it goes into the realm of interactive contact - where you put your money down for a hand job or something in the back room you are talking about something that crosses that line between fantasy and intent. If it has an effect on how he treats you at home, or if he goes there WAY too much, or prefers going to the club to being with you then there is a problem. Not with the strip club, but with the way the guy is subbing in that for actual intimacy with his girlfriend. exactly... there you go again LB... always on point, clear, and more importantly... right. are you ever wrong? you need to start your own counseling group... Link to post Share on other sites
clandestinidad Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. If you and your cronies want to bond at the strip clubs, then fine.....just dont date someone that has a problem with it, or you will have this same pointless moral/ethical conversation over and over again....and you'll accuse her of "not letting you hang out with your boyz" rather than respecting her moral/ethical stance in the situation (which I'm sure was the reason you posted this in the first place...one of your buddies was being "controlled" and told he couldnt do it) Link to post Share on other sites
crazy_grl Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by scratch A problem I envision with your reasoning is that the whole key is the exercise in mutual line-drawing. What if your (plural hereafter) SO is uncomfortable with you watching sports, or being in an automobile? I suppose that if they are uncomfortable with things past a point where you don't feel it is reasonable, they will cease to be your SO. Thus, it is very important to be able to communicate the basis for your discomfort, to explain why you feel it justified to restrain them in any given way. You're right. And if your SO doesn't want you to watch sports or drive a car and you do it anyway, then you're disrespecting their wishes. You may see it as completely unjustified, but that's still the way they feel about it. The bigger the issue, the more the disrespect. Watching sports is such a small issue for most people that any disrespect would be minuscule and insignificant. For many women, strip clubs are a big one. It's best if you can sit, talk, and reason the issue through to come to a mutual understanding, but sometimes you just can't. That's why it's important to chose the right person. If you love driving a car, don't get into a relationship with someone who's going to ask you not to and force yourself into a situation where you're going to have to disrespect your partner. If you have no problem giving up driving, then feel free to start the relationship. If you're on the other side and have a problem with your partner driving, then don't get deeply involved in a relationship with someone who loves to drive and will likely refuse to give it up. Obviously, everyone is not going to agree on every issue, so you have to determine which ones are most important to you and which ones you're not going to compromise on. Then don't get involved with partners who won't respect those. Don't expect everyone to be okay or not okay with driving, jumping out of a plane, going to strip clubs, doing pot, etc. just because that's how you feel. Link to post Share on other sites
d'Arthez Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by LucreziaBorgia I'm sure a healthy, sexually aware male is going to get a boner or at least think about having sex with her while its happening - but does that mean that he is going to? Nope. This makes me curious, as I might suffer from a possible lack of health. Link to post Share on other sites
scratch Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by d'Arthez This makes me curious, as I might suffer from a possible lack of health. Did you not get hard or think of sex while getting a lap dance? What did you think about? Did it seem odd to you at all that you didn't get hard? Link to post Share on other sites
mutton Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 For the males that do go to stripclubs and do get lapdances, if you had the chance to feel up the woman during a lapdance (or if the particular strip club policy allows it), would you? Especially if you have hard-on and and a grade-A stripper grinding herself into it? With their fogged up mind and hormones, most guys who tend to go to strip clubs for lapdances may find all of that sexual pressure hard to resist. It's hard to say if the no-touch policy is in effect or even enforced in ALL of the stripclubs. As all men are different, all strippers are different, and there may be a few who are willing to let the men at least touch them/grope them (without the intention of sex) to make a few extra bucks. And yes, the champagne rooms that Jolene mentioned does exist. But of course, there are always those guys who go to strip clubs just to hang out with their guy pals. A question that has been asked and ignored in this thread is: why a strip club? why not someplace else like a sports bar with a pool table for male bonding? Are all of your intentions really that innocent? Link to post Share on other sites
RecordProducer Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by ReluctantRomeo I worked with a guy once who explained his strip club habit by saying how cheap the food was and what good quality. He hardly noticed the girls... Yeah, yeah... Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by RecordProducer Yeah, yeah... He won "lamest excuse of the year" for that one... Link to post Share on other sites
wannanewlife31 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 You seem to be a person that has control of who they are and you seem to know your enjoyment from strip clubs but there are men who dont and they spin out of control or women for that matter and that can fall into the sex addiction catagory so please do more studying on this. There are people that go to these places by themselves and just sit around those men have addictions fantasies and yes its hard to pick up strippers at thier job due to some policies i am sure but there are lots of them that meet their boyfriends there also. Some people cant lighten up do to the abuse men do at these places. Found out almost 2 years ago my husband was doing porn on internet and burnt cds since high school. How I found out was horrible. When I met my husband I was not as wild as I was when I was younger I am now 32 I traveled a lot with my job and I just enjoyed finally a single life and was very happy with myself and where I was in my life. I then got a call from my mother and father (which I regret listening to) but she went on and on about how she was worried I was not going to be with men anymore and blah blah. To pray for a husband (she is not even religious) but anyway I met my husband the next day (did my mothers phone call had something to do with it?) I will never know I met my husband and fell in love with the sweet man I thought to know and well lets just say I was not a prude and not afraid to show wild side of me. But one day I was cleaning up for him just what you do I guess when you are in love and I found a box full of porn , I was like well I never saw a box full that’s a lot and well I said that’s strange but at the same time I was not taken aback (does this make sense?) so anyway I said something to him in a joking manner and he said that he adopted the box from his Fraternity and that when he left that year he was the one to take the box (sounded good at the time) So anyway I was changing jobs after sept 11th and we were dating for a while and I moved in with him you can say but still had my own place we were getting serious. I found a job that was near our places and I forgot something at his place and had to run back upstairs before leaving for the new job. I then opened the door to hear the noises you hear in porn. I was in shock why? maybe because the box and then seeing him at 8 am and doing you know what to porn was just to much for me at that point and was not used to that extreme of a behavior but I will tell you the truth and the truth is I did not even think my lord what is he doing I was thinking well "I HAVE BEEN UNDER SO MUCH STRESS FINDING A NEW JOB DUE TO ME NOT WANTING TO TRAVEL SO MUCH SEPT 11TTH HAPPENED AND I LOST MY UNCLE AND COUSIN AND I JUST THOUGHT WELL I HAVE NO SEX DRIVE SO MAYBE HE NEEDS SOME" Well in a million years I would never have thought I would have thought that way. Well that happened twice. Then I saw something like a website opened after that after marriage and I was pregnant but then I never saw anything again for awhile. I Then found out about some debt prior to getting married forgot that one and he just said he partied a lot during college and was paying it off so he was had a great job so what business of it was mine he was paying it. I just wanted to make sure he was paying for it to get into to much of why I was not there yet I did not need to know since I did not know he had a problem. I guess later on something was really pulling at me maybe call it intuition or maybe call it something is wrong. He was traveling like 5 days out of the week. He was acting weird. I was sop upset that he was gone for so long and I just had enough I started fights I was pissed and I was a tough ass and I was angry ( by the way I fail to tell you sooner that he had a freak for a mother and weirdo for a father and he was just plain weird family was driving me nuts) so I had a lot of stress with his mother and I finally gave him the last straw if he was to stick around he had to do something about his mother. So I assumed that the stress I was feeling for awhile was due to the stress him family was putting us through. We went to therapy and I brought up the porno and then he sort of manipulated the whole thing and then the therapist thought he had low self esteem and that he needed more organization in his life so she thought her partner was great for this and she was sending him to see her for this problem. Well Mr. boy next door was able to find some sort of tie with this women (by the way my husband is a great liar and he looks like a teddy bear and manipulates you to think he does nothing wrong) so she finds out his dad drank for 20 something years and he is sober now and sees her in him because her father drank and so she takes his side and when we sat in a room all together began attacking me in the room and then told Steve I was crazy. So he said to me well she thinks you’re crazy. So I said that’s fine. I then went nuts since I was told I was I lost my mind I just could not take it anymore I said something is just wrong so I found another therapist and she heard me and said have you heard of Sex addiction? I said what? So she explained it to me I just listened and thought about it. I went to his lap top since he says he can’t use his lap top due to his job I just thought I would not find anything. I did he was at a bbq in our neighborhood block party type of thing. I stayed home due to being crazy (joking) I just did not want to go out. So I found all this crap and I called him. I said come home I then told him what I found he said that was old he was cleaning the computer memory well I said I was not going to fight him at this moment. I went back to therapy told her and she set me straight. Things got bad. I just lost it. I went to Atlanta with him and my son my son was 1 year old at the time. I was really sick I just felt so much stress but I had pains in my lower belly. We were driving back from Atlanta and I said I have to go to the urgent care something is wrong with me. I then said well I don’t have my cell phone and I speak to my mother everyday (I am an only child ) so I saw there was messages I checked it just in case she called and this women said hello Stephen this is so and so and the check you gave me bounced. So he said let me hear and he erased it but let me tell you that I don’t know what the hell I was thinking I just said who was that but I was in so much pain I just cant remember why I did not go after him so more about it at the time. I then went to the Dr and I had a severe OBGYN infection had to get antibiotics. I went to the hospital before this trip and they did a test on me and it supposal came back positive for an STD I freaked out and I found that out when I got back and I was like what the hell is going on . So with all that I got home from being tested again and they said that was negative but I had this and that and that was so high up in my fallopian tubes that I probably would have trouble having children. That day I came home and my husband was not home as of yet he was stuck at the airport coming from Mexico on a trip. I then said on the cell phone he needed to get his a& (& (& home or else. So there he was at the steps of my staircase and he broke down to tell me that he went to strip bars and took out a book on sex addiction that his father gave him when he left his home after college and I just went number after that I stopped listening and I just fell apart inside but was numb I did not cry or yell I just went upstairs to my office and I just looked at all my photos and thought that it all was a lie. He told me he thought the girl that was a stripper gave him something due to the fact she had no underwear on. (Don’t think for one moment I believed him) I just thought this guy lost him mind. Boy I know strippers first off they don’t take checks (yes he said that phone call was from a stripper you should have heard the story on that one) then I said you don’t get STD that way. So I said come back to me with the real story and then lets talk so I got the real story he went to massage parlors before I met him and he went once during our marriage ( I cant prove if it was more then once at this point) he then got caught. my life was turned around I thought pastors could help us God could help us ( I don’t think anyone can this is not like drinking you cant smell it on him its not like drugs you cant see if his eyes are dilated) I just lost it I then one night just was to calm and I said to him that he had to leave he said why if I am going to a sex addiction meeting and he threw pants at me and said why don’t you go to a meeting he threw pants at me from upstairs so I said oh no you did not ( so while he was being stupid I took the keys off his key chain) I then called a 24 hour locksmith had the doors lock changed and he came home not being able to get in. He rang the door bell and I finally opened it said you will wake up the baby and he then started to get arrogant and I then said if he did not stop I was calling the cops. So I did and there they are and I said he was trying to get in he told them the WHOLE STORY THEY WERE LIKE YOUR NUTS MAN! I mean it was like an episode from cops I AM A SEX ADDICT I WENT TO MY FIRST MEETING AND BLAH BLAH BLAH they took him away. So he was in jail his dad took him out I was like pissed off why did you let him out? That one I did not forgive for a long time. now with this whole thing happening I really went numb I left for NYC I stopped all credit cards that had my name on it and I closed accounts and made sure he could not use our accounts left him here with hidden money in areas so that if he needed it he could call me and I told him where to find it. I left him alone for thanksgiving through the New Year alone. I made him leave and stay with his friend 1 hour away but 2 hours when driving back and fourth to see our son. I just was not going back but my mom wanted me to try and see what I could save ( nuts ) So I did I tried and he says he has been sober for 1 1/2 years but ( don’t believe him) I don’t have proof just guts telling me. I am planning on leaving him I am checked out emotionally and just looking forward to a new life. I have two kids with him. Anyone have anything to say about this story I left out a lot to much to write. found out almost 2 years ago my husband was doing porn on internet and burnt cds since highschool. how i found out was horrible. When i met my husband i was not as wild as i was when i was younger i am now 32 I traveled a lot with my job and i just enjoyed finally a single life and was very happy with myself and where i was in my life. I then got a call from my mother and father ( which i regret listening to) But she went on and on about how she was worried i was not going to be with men anymore and blah blah. To pray for a husband (she is not even religous) but anyway i met my husband the next day (did my mothers phone call had something to do with it ?) i will never know I met my husband and fell in love with the sweet man i thought to know and well lets just say i was not a prude and not afraid to show wild side of me. But oneday i was cleaning up for him just what you do i guess when you are in love and i found a box full of porn , i was like well i never saw a box full thats a lot and well i said thats strange but at the same time i was not taken aback (does this make sense?) so anyway i said something to him in a joking manner and he said that he adopted the box from his Faternity and that when he left that year he was the one to take the box (sounded good at the time) So anyway i was changing jobs after sept 11th and we were dating for a while and i moved in with him you can say but still had my own place we were getting serious. i foudn a job that was near our places and i forgot somethign at his place and had to run back upstairs before leaving for the new job. I then opened the door to hear the noises you hear in porn. I was in shock why? maybe because the box and then seeing him at 8 am and doing you know what to porn was just to much for me at that point and iwas not used to that extreme of a behavior but i will tell you the truth and the truth is i did not even think my lord what is he doing i was thinking well "I HAVE BEEN UNDER SO MUCH STRESS FINDING A NEW JOB DUE TO ME NOT WANTING TO TRAVEL SO MUCH SEPT 11TTH HAPPENED AND I LOST MY UNCLE AND COUSIN AND I JUST THOUGHT WELL I HAVE NO SEX DRIVE SO MAYBE HE NEEDS SOME" Well in a million years I would never have thought i would have thought that way. Well that happened twice. Then i saw something like a websight opened after that after marriage and i was pregnant but then i never saw anything again for awhile. I Then found out about some debt prior to getting married forgot that one and he jsut siad he partied a lot during college and was paying it off so he was had a great job so what business of it was mine he was paying it. I just wanted to make sure he was paying for it to get into to much of why i was not there yet i did not need to knwo since i did not know he had a problem. I guess later on somethign was really pulling at me maybe call it intuition or maybe call it something is wrong. He was travleing like 5 days out of the week. He was acting wierd. I was sop upset that he was gone for so long and i just had enough i started fights i was pissed and i was a tough ass and i was angry ( by the way i fail to tell you sooner that he had a freak for a mother and wierdo for a father and he was just plain wierd family was driving me nuts) so i had a lot of stress with his mother and i finally gave him the last straw if he was to stick around he had to do somethign about his mother. So I assumed that the stress i was feeling for awhile was due to the stress him family was putting us through. We went to therapy and i brought up the porno and then he sort of minipulated the whole thing and then the therapist thought he had low self esteem and that he needed more organization in his life so she thought her partner was great for this and she was sending him to see her for this problem. Well Mr boy next door was able to find some sort of tie with this women ( by the way my husband is a great liar and he looks like a teddy bear and minipluates you to think he does nothing wrong) so she finds out his dad drank for 20 something years and he is sober now and sees her in him becuase her father drank and so she takes his side and when we sat in a room all together began attacking me in the room and then told steve i was crazy. So he said to me well she thinks your crazy. So i said thats fine. I then went nuts since i was told i was i lost my mind i just could not take it anymore i said something is just wrong so i found another therapist and she heard me and said have you heard of Sex addiction? I said what? So she explained it to me i just listened and thought about it. I went tp his lap top since he says he cant use his lap top due to his job i just thought i would not find anything. I did he was at a bbq in our neighborhood block party type of thing. i stayed home due to being crazy ( joking ) i just did not want to go out. So i found all this crap and i called him. I said come home i then told him what i found he said that was old he was cleaning the computer memory well i said i was not going to fight him at this moment. i went back to therapy told her and she set me straight. things got bad. I just lost it. I went to Atlanta with him and my son my sonwas 1 year old at the time. I was really sick i just felt so much stress but i had pains in my lower belly. we were driving back from Atalanta and i said i have to go to the urgent care somethign is wrong with me. I then said well i dont have my cell phone and i speak to my mother everyday (I am an only child ) so i saw there was messages i checked it just in case she called and this wome said hello Stephen this is so and so and the check you gave me bounced. So he said let me hear and he erased it but let me tellyou that i dont knwo what the hell i was thinking i just said who was that but i was in so much pain i just cant remember why i did not go after him so more about it at the time. i then went to the Dr and i had a severe OBGYN infection had to get antibotics. I went to the hospital before this trip and they did a test on me and it supposly came back postive for an STD i freaked out and i found that out when i got back and i was like what the hell is going on . So with all that i got home from being tested again and they said that was negative but i had this and that and that was so high up in my falopin tubes that i probably would have trouble having children. That day i came home and my husband was not home as of yet he was stuck at the airport coming from Mexico on a trip. I then said on the cell phone he needed to get his a&(&(& home or else. So there he was at the steps of my staircase and he broke down to tell me that he went to strip bars and took out a book on sex addiction that his father gave him when he left his home after college and i just went numbe after that i stopped listening and i just fell apart inside but was numb i did not cry or yell i just went upstairs to my office and i just looked at all my photos and thought that it all was a lie. He told me he thought the girl that was a stripper gave him somethign due to the fact she had no underwear on. ( dont think for one moment i believed him) i just thought this guy lost him mind. Boy i know strippers first off they dont take checks(yes he said that phone call was from a stripper you should of heard the story on that one) Then i said you dont get STD that way. So i said come back to me with the real story and then lets talk so i got the real story he went to massage parlors before i met him and he went once during our marriage ( i cant prove if it was more then once at this point) he then got caught. my life was turned around i thought pastors could help us God could help us ( i dont think anyone can this is not like drinking you cant smell it on him its not like drugs you cant see if his eyes are dilated) I jsut lost it i then onenight just was to calm and i said to him that he had to leave he said why if i am going to a sex addiction meeting and he threw pants at me and said why dont you go to a meeting he threw pants at me from upstairs so i said oh no you did not ( so while he was being stupid i took the keys off his key chain) i then called a 24 hour locksmith had the doors lock changed and he came home not being able to get in. He rang the door bell and i finally opened it said you will wake up the baby and he then started to get arrogant and i then said if he did not stop i was calling the cops. So i did and there there they are and i said he was trying to get in he told them the WHOLE STORY THEY WERE LIKE YOUR NUTS MAN! I mean it was like an episode from cops I AM A SEX ADDICT I WENT TO MY FIRST MEETING AND BLAH BLAH BLAH they took him away. So he was in jail his dad took him out i was like pissed off why did you let him out? that one i did not forgive for a long time. now with this whole thing happening i really went numb i left for NYC I stopped all credit cards that had my name on it and i closed accounts and made sure he coudl not use our accounts left him here with hidden money in areas so that if he needed it he coudl call me and i told him where to find it. I left him alone for thanksgiving through the new year alone. I made him leave and stay with his friend 1 hour away but 2 hours when driving back and fourth to see our son. I just was not going back but my mom wanted me to try and see what i could save ( nuts ) So i did i tried and he has supposly been sober for 1 1/2 years but ( dont belive him) i dont have proof just guts telling me. I am planning on leaving him I am checked out emotionally and just looking foward to a new life. I have two kids with him. anyone have anything to say about this story i left out a lot to much to write. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I prefer strip clubs and porn to relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
SoftDrink Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by scratch Could you provide some verifiable, or anecdotal evidence to support your claim that strip clubs are good places to successfully purchase illicit sex? I'm pretty sure you're making this up, and have no knowledge of such circumstances. you've never heard of a strip club offering extras, like handjobs, blow jobs, and sex? i'm a girl, and i've seen it. Link to post Share on other sites
wannanewlife31 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I think you are honest , i mean you said it so do you have a realationship and do you do these things behind that person back and have your cake and eat it to? if not then you are honest do your thing and live your life there is nothign wrong with what you want to do its wrong when you put it on a person and not tell them and they find out and get hurt in the process of your lifestyle. i dont say dont do what you want to do i say dont do it to the person you said vows to and married and keep it a seceret and hurt your marriage and your children. I always said to him why not just leave and do it or why did marry me. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I am honest about it. I was married once as well and she cheated. I am still pretty bitter about it because I truly did treat her well and it blew up in my face. Link to post Share on other sites
SoftDrink Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle I am honest about it. I was married once as well and she cheated. I am still pretty bitter about it because I truly did treat her well and it blew up in my face. was this supposed to be in "everybody cheats"? Link to post Share on other sites
scratch Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by SoftDrink you've never heard of a strip club offering extras, like handjobs, blow jobs, and sex? i'm a girl, and i've seen it. If it's done, it's completely illegal and outside the mandate of the club. There are also hotels, regular nightclubs and private social organizations that offer these "extras." The extent to which there is a positive correlation between going to a strip club and getting an "extra" is solely a function of a club employee moonlighting as a prostitute and a club patron desiring a prostitute as well as the opportunity to view and interact with strippers. Link to post Share on other sites
SoftDrink Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by scratch If it's done, it's completely illegal and outside the mandate of the club. There are also hotels, regular nightclubs and private social organizations that offer these "extras." i don't think anyone is questioning its illegality. the point is that it does happen...in many, many of them. of all the ones i know, maybe one of them disallows extras and enforces it--and i'm not exactly living in vegas. Link to post Share on other sites
scratch Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by SoftDrink i don't think anyone is questioning its illegality. the point is that it does happen...in many, many of them. of all the ones i know, maybe one of them disallows extras and enforces it--and i'm not exactly living in vegas. Where I live you cannot make a move in one without being in view of a camera. I know hundreds of people who have visited strip clubs, as I'm sure most of us on this site do. I don't know anybody who ever purchased sex there. Again, if anyone would like to sound off anecdotally, I'd like to hear it. SoftDrink, you seem to have knowledge of this happening - kindly explain the facts and circumstances. This should, at the very least, give those of us who are suspicious of this kind of activity a sense of what signs to look for that "extras" are being sold at a given club. Link to post Share on other sites
Toni_no12002 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 men who go to strip clubs dont deserve to be in a relationship!most women whould hate the idea!its disgusting paying someone to strip for you when you have a girlfriend at home.in other words you want to see someone else naked so why isnt that cheating?do men have any feelings??? Link to post Share on other sites
crazy_grl Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by scratch Where I live you cannot make a move in one without being in view of a camera. That doesn't mean it's that way everywhere. Where I used to live, lap dances are now being made illegal. That's obviously not how it is everywhere else. SoftDrink, you seem to have knowledge of this happening - kindly explain the facts and circumstances. This should, at the very least, give those of us who are suspicious of this kind of activity a sense of what signs to look for that "extras" are being sold at a given club. scratch, are you lookin to partake? Link to post Share on other sites
mutton Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 hey guys, I found a news article that sort of proves that illegal activity CAN and does occur in some stripclubs. The link is below. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4677130/detail.html go to the link and watch the video. They give a tad bit more info. P.S. the video may take time to load but it works. Link to post Share on other sites
AleroGurl Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by Toni_no12002 men who go to strip clubs dont deserve to be in a relationship!most women whould hate the idea!its disgusting paying someone to strip for you when you have a girlfriend at home.in other words you want to see someone else naked so why isnt that cheating?do men have any feelings??? i agree with 100%! Link to post Share on other sites
mutton Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Police: Strip Club Raided For Illegal Sex Acts Deputies Ticket More Than 20 Employees POSTED: 6:42 pm EDT July 1, 2005 UPDATED: 7:09 pm EDT July 1, 2005 INKSTER, Mich. -- An Inkster strip club was temporarily shut down on Friday after a raid by Wayne County sheriff's deputies, Local 4 reported. The raid of the Flight Club on Michigan Avenue was the result of an undercover investigation that lasted more than one year. Authorities apparently received complaints that some of the dancers at the club were getting too close to customers. VIDEO: See Video From Scene Of Strip Club Raid "There were simulated sexual acts occurring," said Sgt. Bonnie Sutton, of the Wayne County Sheriff's Office. Sutton also confirmed that dancers were caught engaging in sex acts with customers, the station reported. Deputies ticketed more than 20 women who work at the club, according to the station's reports. Police said the sexual activity mainly took place in a location known as the Champagne Room and in secluded rooms on the second floor of the business. An employee who arrived at the scene during the raid denied the allegations and told Local 4 that there was nothing different going on in the rooms than what normally takes place at the club. Authorities said that a customer was recently arrested for engaging in illegal sexual activity at the club the night before he was to be married, the station reported. The Flight Club will be closed for seven days due to the violations. Copyright 2005 by ClickOnDetroit.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4677130/detail.html *This is from the link I posted above* *also it comes with supporting video that takes a little time to load on cable but it works* Link to post Share on other sites
crazy_grl Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by mutton Flight Club will be closed for seven days due to the violations. Fight Club. I love that movie. *This is from the link I posted above* *also it comes with supporting video that takes a little time to load on cable but it works* That oughta be some interesting video! Thanks for the info and link. Link to post Share on other sites
NeverSayForever Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 i dont know if someone has asked you this stuff but what if your girlfriend were to go to a male strip club with her gals? Would you mind? If its not about the girls then why not go to a regular bar? I still dont like my man going to one. Im the kind of person who will not do what i dont want done to me, and he wouldnt like me going to a male one. I dont get how its NOT the girls then why not a regular bar? Natalie Link to post Share on other sites
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