Setting the record straight on STRIP CLUBS! Ladies, get in here!!!

[ReluctantRomeo]

Originally posted by NeverSayForever

I dont get how its NOT the girls then why not a regular bar?

 

The beer tastes better in the girlie bar

[Toni_no12002]

yea rite lol.thanks alero gurl.if men need to go to a strip club they shouldnt be in a relationship fullstop.no one can tell me men go for the drink etc because why not go to a normal bar?its because they want to see cheap tarts!and men why pay for women to strip when you can get your girlfriend to do it for free?as far as im concerned its cheating in a different form with your eyes which can hurt just as much.

[Woggle]

Originally posted by Toni_no12002

yea rite lol.thanks alero gurl.if men need to go to a strip club they shouldnt be in a relationship fullstop.no one can tell me men go for the drink etc because why not go to a normal bar?its because they want to see cheap tarts!and men why pay for women to strip when you can get your girlfriend to do it for free?as far as im concerned its cheating in a different form with your eyes which can hurt just as much.

Oh crap. It's a man thing you wouldn't understand. Going out to a strip club with the guys is a way to bond with your friends. The way I see it is that it is okay to look but not touch.

[Woggle]

Originally posted by NeverSayForever

i dont know if someone has asked you this stuff but what if your girlfriend were to go to a male strip club with her gals? Would you mind?

 

If its not about the girls then why not go to a regular bar? I still dont like my man going to one. Im the kind of person who will not do what i dont want done to me, and he wouldnt like me going to a male one.

I dont get how its NOT the girls then why not a regular bar?

 

Natalie

If my girlfriend were to look at other men it would show she is still alive.

[scratch]

Originally posted by mutton

hey guys, I found a news article that sort of proves that illegal activity CAN and does occur in some stripclubs. The link is below.

 

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4677130/detail.html

 

This argument fall prey to the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (if something happens after something else, the first thing is assumed to be the cause of the second thing).

 

Illegal activity goes on everywhere; the key questions are whether it goes on to a disproportionate extent in a given place, and whether there is a causal relationship between the place and the activity.

 

To illustrate, how come we don't have thread after thread about women wanting to keep their men out of Church?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/americas/130456.stm

 

Or the Congo jungle?

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/081zxelz.asp

[SoftDrink]

Originally posted by scratch

 

SoftDrink, you seem to have knowledge of this happening - kindly explain the facts and circumstances. This should, at the very least, give those of us who are suspicious of this kind of activity a sense of what signs to look for that "extras" are being sold at a given club.

 

because i have been in many, and i've seen it at nearly every one i've been in. what more do you want me to say, exactly?

 

the fact is, it exists. the circumstances vary, obviously. there are no cameras where i am, or at least not for prevention of illicit sex. many of the girls are willing to do more for more money--some dancers don't make thousands a night, don't even make hundreds when they give the owners their cut(s). if someone's got the cash, they're willing to do it.

 

it's not an obvious thing; no one is on stage or in the middle of the floor going at it in front of everyone. it's done in the vip rooms.

 

there's one place where i live that the "trademark" is that they give away t-shirts. they give them under the pretense that buying a behind-the-secenes lap-dances is rewarded with one.. but really, they only give it to the ones who ask for something extra--the t-shirt is handed to them so they have something to hold onto their penises when they come--the performer (typically, though there are exceptions) won't let it inside her mouth or vagina. this is the best way.

 

not sure why you are looking for a sense of what signs to look for, and i don't know how comfortable i am providing you a list of signs of where you can buy sex.

 

rest assured, the easiest the way to find out is through the club's reputation. even if they don't get busted, they've got their reputations...but they hide them pretty well and manage just fine getting away with it. even someone who knew they sold sex would walk in and be surprised--sometimes you can just tell, but not often.

 

 

don't know what else you want. i'm not a statistician, i just know because i've seen it.

[mutton]

I understand your point scratch, but according to your examples of the sex abuses in the Roman Catholic Church and the Congo Jungle, however a horrible and well illustrated example of illegal activity, I still find it hard to relate to the sexual immoderation that some men display whilst they are at a strip club. The difference with the two examples you brought up and stripclubs are the differences in the victims.

 

Within a stripclub, neither the men nor women are truly victimized in brutal attacks. True, some of the strippers may have had to unwillingly perform sexual acts on a man, but it was still within their choice to quit their job. No one beat them physically into submission as in the congo. Plus, most of them must have still recieved commission for their acts or otherwise many of them would not have been coerced into doing it. These are full grown women who know what they are doing. They are not innocent children who can be easily manipulated into letting a man/woman molest them. The true victims of the activities of what occurs in a stripclub are some of the faithful woman (not all woman are innocent of course) that stay home oblivious to the sexual consumptions of their men elsewhere.

 

When I posted that article, it was not to state that ALL or even SOME of the stripclubs everywhere endorses in illegal activity, but to give you a slight proof that such an illegal activity CAN happen. With the idea that illegal activity is possible and with the idea that some strippers may be more willing to let other men "touch" them (not neccessarily sexually) than others, it's no wonder why so many woman worry about it. It still goes down to the fact that if these illegal services were offered and a few men know about it, none of us can say whether they will take advantage of it or not. For those who want to learn more about what goes on in the business of a strip club, HBO has a great series that details the lives and the confessions of some of the strippers/ex-strippers that dance in these businesses.

 

P.S. of course nothing funky will ever go on when a women goes with their guy to a stripclub. The strippers and your men know better than to piss you off while you're there.

 

 

Here's another link that such illegal activity CAN occur in some strip clubs (and the clubs does not always have to be the shady ones either):

 

http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/17/strip.club.indict/

[mutton]

whoops pressed the button twice.

[mutton]

another source indicting not just one but four stripclubs for prostitution in the same area:

 

http://www.police.nashville.org/news/media/2004/10/06.htm

[New_Wife]

Nearly all of the ones in our area got shut down because there was too much "extra service" being provided during sting operations. I think there were something like 5 clubs a few years back - now there are none.

[SoftDrink]

Originally posted by New_Wife

Nearly all of the ones in our area got shut down because there was too much "extra service" being provided during sting operations. I think there were something like 5 clubs a few years back - now there are none.

 

 

also, scratch, do an LS search on "bachelor parties" or "strippers" and see how many wives have husbands that admitted to receiving, well...more than just a lap dance at a strip club.

 

murder is also illegal here...but darn if people don't turn up dead sometimes.

[Toni_no12002]

woggle the thing is if you intentionally go to look it hurts just as much and doing things liking actually trying to find other people to look at can lead to cheating!if you want to look at other women why get with someone in the first place!

[noname]

Originally posted by Toni_no12002

woggle the thing is if you intentionally go to look it hurts just as much and doing things liking actually trying to find other people to look at can lead to cheating!if you want to look at other women why get with someone in the first place!

 

 

i want to ask you a quick question. i don't want this to be a"pick on you" session or me trying to call you out. i have just read a few of your posts and i want to know what is on your mind. Do you enjoy looking at the male form?(or women for that matter because i don't want to assume. let's just say human form) i mean do you enjoy seeing the male/female body? you don't have to answer and a polite refusal is fine.

 

but, if the answer is yes which i assume it is. i would like to know where that enjoyment goes when you a with somebody. do you no longer find people other than your SO attractive? do your eyes no longer find the beauty that you once enjoyed. and how does it miraculously come back when you have broken up? what my point is that the admiration of physical beauty or attraction is not just some precursor to marriage. it is something we hold on to forever. one doesn't stop admiring other vehicles because he buys a car. analogy sounds silly right because cars are not human. how 'bout this one...one doesn't stop thinking that children are cute because they have a child of their own. that is pretty perposterous.

 

again, i don't really even like strip clubs that much. in fact the times that i have gone, i have had to be talked into it. but i feel that people make too big a deal out of enjoying nudity. some people trust and are trustworthy. some aren't, but i can guarantee you this... even if your SO never steps foot into a strip club, or watches porn, or MTV for that matter, there is no way you are going to take away the enjoyment that he gets from seeing nudity. just like there is no way he can take that away from you. if you choose to take that away from yourself though, then that is your business... i just want to know how you turn it on and off?

[Toni_no12002]

hi no name i realise what your saying and yes i can find other men attractive but for 1 my boyfriends stares which i think is rude.if i see someone nice looking i dont stare at them.also i think going looking for other naked women at a strip club is out of order if my boyfriend did it id feel so ugly.knowing that he wanted to go see someone else naked .do you understand me?dont qworry i dont think your picking on me lol ive heard worse replies than that

[noname]

Originally posted by Toni_no12002

hi no name i realise what your saying and yes i can find other men attractive but for 1 my boyfriends stares which i think is rude.if i see someone nice looking i dont stare at them.also i think going looking for other naked women at a strip club is out of order if my boyfriend did it id feel so ugly.knowing that he wanted to go see someone else naked .do you understand me?dont qworry i dont think your picking on me lol ive heard worse replies than that

 

staring is just rude. that is your botfriends fault. he should know that that is just bad edicate.

 

i'm glad you understand what i am saying. and if strip clubs make you feel uncomfortable, that is fine. i just want you to not equate his looking at naked girls as some kind of flaw in your looks. he looks because he sees beauty. when you see a nice looking guy, do you sit there and compare him to your man's flaws? i would guess that you look, enjoy, and keep it moving. when i see a naked woman, i appreciate her beauty for hers, i don't start fantasizing or comparing her to my woman. just don't let it take away from your beauty, inside or out...

[Toni_no12002]

thanks the thing is i find myself comparing myself to these women he looks at and i get upset and down about it because i dont feel pretty etc.i know its me that has low self confidnence etc but i cant stop it.how do i start to feel etter about myself?

[933KJL]

Here is a tngue in cheek article on the strip clubs in Vegas. I agree with many here--and I don't frequent them--but guys go for the bonding and to ogle women they don't ever have a chance with.

 

Every one that I have been to (maybe a half dozen) are strictly hands off!

 

http://www.tripso.com/archives/2005/07/strip_clubs_the.html

[noname]

Originally posted by Toni_no12002

thanks the thing is i find myself comparing myself to these women he looks at and i get upset and down about it because i dont feel pretty etc.i know its me that has low self confidnence etc but i cant stop it.how do i start to feel etter about myself?

 

start by feeling beautiful. define yourself as beautiful by your own standards and not by what he looks at elsewhere. besides. he finds you pretty enough to be with right? i can't give you a complete formula. however, i would get to the bottom of why you don't feel pretty in the first place. there is usually a reason why you do not feel beautiful. i admit to you that i have issues with my looks too, but i can trace them back to stupid childhood instances.

 

that should be your start. and work from that. and do not be afraid to tell him that you feel uncomfortable with him looking at other women. but tell him the truth. not that he is cheating to look at women but that you need to feel beautiful, i am sure he will take it a little more seriously. he should be understanding enough to either chill out with his habit or to try more ways to make you feel pretty.

 

and always remember, he is with you because you are beautiful to him. he is looking at women because it pleases him, not because he is looking for a replacement. if that were the case. he would have already found one...

 

sorry. i am no therapist, so i do not want to go on too far. but good luck with feeling beautiful. and do not give total power to other people. start to define pretty to yourself...

[Spectre]

I wouldnt want my gf to get a lapdance from some dude, so I wouldnt get a lapdance from any glrls, I think thats fair, if you dont want ur gf/bf to goto strip clubs then simply tell them, theres no excuse for them to whine about it because 1- they have you so they shouldnt need to see other naked people and 2- theres plenty of other places for them and their friends to go and get drunk that dont involve boobs/cocks all in your face, if they wanna see hot girls that bad im sure theres a hooters near them

[Toni_no12002]

Thanks noname.

Ive told him that i feel uncomfortable about it and he has stopped looking at women on the net,in the street etc.But i still go out and think hes looking at other women i end up crying!I know it isnt him its me with the problem ive become bloody obbsessed!Im going to a counsellor soon so hopefully ill stop acting like such a prat!lol thanks

[deesgirl]

"guys go for the bonding and to ogle women they don't ever have a chance with."

 

And why wouldn't this statement bother your wife or gf? You can't have what you really want, so you settle for your SO and just pay the ones you want but can't have?

 

I would rather be alone than to be with a man that thinks paying a woman to strip down and grind on his erection is okay. It's cheating, plain and simple.

[Toni_no12002]

Thats what i think!im so glad my boyfriend doesnt go to strip clubs it would drive me crazy!I dont know why men think they can go and there girlfriend wouldnt care.Your going to see another women strip off so it turns you on!whats right about it!

[Firehawk]

I agree with many here--and I don't frequent them--but guys go for the bonding and to ogle women they don't ever have a chance with.

 

I don't know what guys you're speaking for but when I've gone to strip bars I've always gotten hooked up with the strippers... I figure while all the other guys are just stitting there speechless with their jaws on the floor I would actually talk to the girls who would dance in front of me... You'd be surprised at how much the have to say and how much it surprises them that guys in the club would talk to them and be interested in them...

[slubberdegullion]

The dynamic that takes place between a handful of guys going to a peeler bar and a cluster of women enjoying a night out at a male stip revue are entirely different.

 

Fellows will go to a club and watch the big screen TV, chat with their buddies, maybe play some pool, and oh, by the way, there are nekkid wimmen dancing onstange.

 

But when women go to a club to watch Chippendale's type strut their stuff, it's almost mayhem! They hoot and holler, yell and scream, throw their bras and other assorted undergarments on the stage... In a sense, I envy those women because they just look like they're having so much fun!

 

Do some guys go to a club to get a piece or a quick bit'o noggin? Sure. But the vast majority of guys (at least in my experience) use the club as a gathering place and not much more.

 

BTW... strangely, the food is better than many restaurants. Don't know why.

[Toni_no12002]

Why dont they gop to a different bar instead of the stripper ones if there not watching them women?

So really men go to see them and to get to know them if they are actually talking to them.Why?If you havent got a girlfrind fair enough but to go and have another women dance infront of you isnt that just disrespectful!If my boyfriend did that id wonder why he would be going in the first place.

The first thing id think was that he want sto whats othr naked women dance for him!Because thats why men go.It isnt right.If your in a relationship go to a different bar!