wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 i honestly don't see how using caps is rude. i guess i haven't chatted enough to know. second of all cracking jokes about my text is rude too. so i guess were all on the wrong path. I just wanted to get others opions about what was written about not have someone so worried about the font of my writing that we miss the whole point. i not trying to be rude i just looking for a disscusion Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by wizdom i honestly don't see how using caps is rude. i guess i haven't chatted enough to know. second of all cracking jokes about my text is rude too. so i guess were all on the wrong path. I just wanted to get others opions about what was written about not have someone so worried about the font of my writing that we miss the whole point. i not trying to be rude i just looking for a disscusion It is a fact that CAPS are harder to read for most people. On the net an all caps post is considered to be shouting and rude. The net has its own set of symbols too called emoticons, eg :-) and more recently the graphic emoticons, eg that allow the writer to convey the attitude behind the post. Without these emoticons it is easy to misconstrue the intent of the writer. Now, what was your message? Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Well Craig thank you for clearing up the text problem for me. I did not know and now i do and now we can have a discussion. I was talking about God and satan and i think if you can read the past post from this question you will see mine. It was a pretty long reply try reading it and reply to the message. I would love to see what you have to say about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 This is not a chat room and you are taking attention away from the OP's point and question. Maybe you happen to believe that psychic powers are from other than God. That's your prerogative. It's not, however, advancing the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by wizdom i honestly don't see how using caps is rude. i guess i haven't chatted enough to know. second of all cracking jokes about my text is rude too. so i guess were all on the wrong path. I just wanted to get others opions about what was written about not have someone so worried about the font of my writing that we miss the whole point. i not trying to be rude i just looking for a disscusion It's not what you know (or think you know), it's how you say it. Presentation is everything... Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I broaden the discussion by speaking about physics. yes they have power no they can't tell you the future because no one knows the future execpt God. Like it says he knew the end before the beginning. Satan does not know our future but he can give physics ( oracles ) whatever knowledge about your past and in turn they will tell you things that will happen in your furture. and because you already believe them because they told you about your past you are looking and expecting what they told you was going to happen. Basicall you are putting faith in that physics word and making it come true. I am contributing to the discussion because i given you something else to chew on. what do you want me to agree with what you were saying just so everything goes smoothly. i know this is not a chat room but that's the way (you) were conductiong the disscusions, by making sly remarks about my font size you were taking away from ops question as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Physics = The science of matter and energy and of interactions between the two Psychics, I said, probably are governed by physics. Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by westernxer The only path worth following is that which leads to wisdom. Wisdom is manifest through pain and suffering. Pleasure teaches nothing and is recommended in small doses, lest you succumb to self-indulgence. The alternative to wisdom is bitterness, and regret. Buddhism? Life is suffering etc... But I disagree. Why should the end goal of our life be that we are wise but we have led a miserable life? I would rather lead a hppy life and consider myself less wise when I die. Personally I think wisdom is the ability to separate the things that lead to true lasting happiness from the things that will make you immediately happy now, but screw everything up later. I've learned a lot from pleasure, but then I find learning pleasurable. Why do we have to experience the pain and suffering personally to gain wisdom. Why can't we gain wisdom from the suffering of others. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I knew there was something wrong with wizard's use of physics... Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by Horse Buddhism? Life is suffering etc... But I disagree. Why should the end goal of our life be that we are wise but we have led a miserable life? Suffering doesn't mean you have to be miserable. Do you not have obstacles to overcome in your own life? This is what is meant by suffering... learning to accept that you are mortal, and that you will face hardships, regardless of who you are. Do you not agree with this? It is very similar to what Jesus taught. Why do we have to experience the pain and suffering personally to gain wisdom. Why can't we gain wisdom from the suffering of others. Nobody's saying you can't... However, it doesn't mean you won't repeat their mistakes, because experience is how most of us learn our lesson(s). Maybe you're the exception to the rule. Do you disagree with this? Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by Horse I've learned a lot from pleasure... Which pleasures are you referring to? Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Why should the end goal of our life be that we are wise but we have led a miserable life? That's not the point. The two are not antitheses of each other. Attaining wisdom means learning how to be happy no matter what your life is like. Why do we have to experience the pain and suffering personally to gain wisdom. Why can't we gain wisdom from the suffering of others. It's not that we have to; it's that for most people it's inevitable and so your options are to become bitter, angry, and unhappy or to learn to be happy - which is wisdom Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 you can learn from others sufferings but you will always go through things that may bring pain. it is possible to lead a happy life and have wisdom as well that will help you choose a path that doesn't lead to as much suffering. Kind of like the path that Christ took. He actually took on all of our sufferings for us so that we would not have to suffer. i don't understand where you could say there was something wrong with my expanation of pyshics just because she talked about budda. help me out here expand what you mean. thanks Link to post Share on other sites
spinner Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 What TonyT said makes a lot of sense to me and what others have said also. Would someone tell me how to use the quote feature? Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by spinner Would someone tell me how to use the quote feature? See the check box in the upper right corner of each post (where it says Quote: )? Check it, hit Reply, and you'll be set... Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by westernxer Suffering doesn't mean you have to be miserable. Do you not have obstacles to overcome in your own life? This is what is meant by suffering... learning to accept that you are mortal, and that you will face hardships, regardless of who you are. Do you not agree with this? It is very similar to what Jesus taught. Nobody's saying you can't... However, it doesn't mean you won't repeat their mistakes, because experience is how most of us learn our lesson(s). Maybe you're the exception to the rule. Do you disagree with this? Maybe it's just my outlook then. I don't see obstacles as suffering. I usually see them as challanges, or an opportunity. I enjoy and learn from challenging situations. I thrive on chaotic situations. I find chaos and challenge pleasurable. I like it because it forces you to live in and pay complete attention to the moment. But miserey is another story. DevilDogs situation was miserable. I read his whole original post about a month ago, and I have a lot of respect for him in the way he dealt with it all. I think it made him wiser... But I would rather be less wise than go through that. I threw the other line about learning from other peoples mistakes in there to help get the discussion back on track and off of grammar and biblical references. I mentioned budhism because it teaches that life is suffereing caused by desire and our attachment to worldly things including ourselves. It had nothing to do with any nonsensical reference to physicists. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by Horse Maybe it's just my outlook then. I don't see obstacles as suffering. I usually see them as challanges, or an opportunity. I enjoy and learn from challenging situations. I thrive on chaotic situations. I find chaos and challenge pleasurable. I like it because it forces you to live in and pay complete attention to the moment. I like your style... (I can do without the chaos though... this means keeping my distance from half the chicks in L.A.) Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by wizdom question? does everyone here believe that physic are okay and that it is cool to get involved with them. OK, I'm gonna ruin the joke. "Physics" is the study of the natural laws of the universe. Einsteins was a physicist. "Psychics" are people who tell you future etc. Physics is OK. without it we wouldn't have a lot of things like computers. psychics are entertaining, but it's just a lot of untuitive guessing. My mom does tarot cards, astrological charts and stuff like that. I can read palms. It's fun. People even believe me when I do it, but it's generally a bunch of generalizations and guesswork. BTW,devildog they tell people that a lot, "that they are not with the right person and they will soon meet the right person." One told my wife that she and I aren't going to get married because I'm not the right person a long time ago. She said she will soon meet the right person and that his name will start with an S. My wife came home crying, until I started teasing her about her running off with Sanchez. Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by westernxer I like your style... (I can do without the chaos though... this means keeping my distance from half the chicks in L.A.) I went to high school in Pacific Palisades, so I know what your talking about... That's a different kind of chaos. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 But I would rather be less wise than go through that. You don't get that choice. Life throws stuff at you and you have to deal. Devildog did not choose to go through what happened to him in order to become wise. He is wiser because of how he dealt with what happened. Do you see the difference? Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 the reason why i got on the topic of psychics was because he said that he spoke with one and she told him she was going to meet his new girlfriend. That's why i progressed with my discussion the way i did. The end result of your life is to gain wisdom and to come to know Christ so that you can live eternally in heaven. In doing so you will give up some of the things that they world says brings you pleasure. You will want to please God not your flesh which only wants to be pleasured. Like one of you said Christ suffered. Yes he did and he also denied his flesh so that he could be pleasing in God's eyes and that he could be the sinnless sacrifice to cover all of our sins. There is something to be said about having wisdom but it needs to be Godly wisdom or else it's just head knowledge. and you also need to act upon that wisdom not just keep making mistakes so you can learn something. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by wizdom The end result of your life is to gain wisdom and to come to know Christ so that you can live eternally in heaven. In doing so you will give up some of the things that they world says brings you pleasure. You will want to please God not your flesh which only wants to be pleasured. Like one of you said Christ suffered. Yes he did and he also denied his flesh so that he could be pleasing in God's eyes and that he could be the sinnless sacrifice to cover all of our sins. There is something to be said about having wisdom but it needs to be Godly wisdom or else it's just head knowledge. and you also need to act upon that wisdom not just keep making mistakes so you can learn something. You're preaching to the choir... (I used to be a missionary) Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast You don't get that choice. Life throws stuff at you and you have to deal. Devildog did not choose to go through what happened to him in order to become wise. He is wiser because of how he dealt with what happened. Do you see the difference? Yeah... I get it, but If I had the choice. I would choose not to have that happen to me. If I have the choice between pleasure without wisdom and miserey with a side of wisdom, I would choose pleasure every day. In the end I would be less wise, but that's OK with me. Wizdom... The end goal of a christians life is to gain wisdom and to get to know Christ, so that you can live in heavenetc.. As a non-christian, I have other goals. Enjoying my time in this life is one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 It's the truth. You may not believe but just becasue you don't believe does not mean that something is not true. One day you will remember everything that i wrote about becasue you will know that it is true. when you stand before God on judgment day you'll never be able to say you were never told about Christ or that you didn't have an opportunity to accept him. I may be preaching to the choir, I am also speaking the truth. So I hope you have a good excuse when you stand infront of God on judgment day. Don't say you weren't told. Link to post Share on other sites
wizdom Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 You must think that hell is going to be one big party then huh. If you do that is cool for you i guess. I like to see people give their lives to Christ because I know he is real and i know that he desires us to love him and to show others love, and just being a good person is not good enough. It's not by works lest any man should boast. So what i have to say to you enjoy your little 75-80 years of sinful pleasures of living in the moment because that is nothing compared to and eternatity in heaven . i would rather denie my flesh now than go to hell. Link to post Share on other sites
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