Moose Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 bingo! and that is why chicks love me cause i am honest with my feelings and thoughts. You're dellusional aren't you?......As for all of you message board moral perfectionists, keep on basking in your virtue for public display. This is what the world is coming to everyone. People with morals and who speak the truth aren't to be believed anymore. You won't be able to tell the truth and expect people to believe you, simply because they wouldn't act or behave the way you do......sad really.....Alpha, keep up the good fight. Oh please...... Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 the vast majority of the ones who said they would not are lying or not being totally honest. this is typical "nice guy" behaviour It's no big surprise that people without morals aren't able to understand having morals, being decent, being honest. If they did, they might perhaps exhibit that behaviour themselves LOL. You only can excuse yourself and your behaviour by absolving yourself with the belief that 'EVERYBODY does it'. Otherwise you have to understand that maybe you're not living your life well. It's like the thief that says everyone would rob a bank if they could or the abuser who thinks that it's fine to beat up on others if 'they push your buttons'. You don't want to believe that other people genuinely and sincerely reject that sort of junk because that makes you perhaps not acceptable or your behaviour unpleasant. Psychology is soooooooooo interesting Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Originally posted by Neptune Most of the reason men don`t have affairs has to do with the fear of consequences. I agree, but it's not just the fear of getting busted. For the most part, I like the way my relationship is right now. I would be afraid to do anything that would change that. I wouldn't want to start going outside my marriage to seek hapiness, when I should be working to achieve it inside my marriage. So, for me it's not about morality, it's pragmatic. I'm happy, why would I want to risk screwing that up, just for some strange. Yes, it is an idealistic view, but that's what you are supposed to aim for. Most people fail to achieve the Ideal, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Link to post Share on other sites
RecordProducer Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I think the question is okay. If like 30 men said "yes, absolutely!" it'd mean she has no reason to expect that a sexually active guy (e.g. her guy) would never cheat on her. But with the many negative answers, she can conclude that there are guys with moral values on this planet. So if her guy cheats on her, she can easily make a decision to dump him, because not all guys are cheaters and liars. It's good to know that. I am glad many of you guys said "no." I was also surprised. I am a woman, but I'll say I wouldn't cheat on my man, because of two reasons: 1. Whether he knows or not, I would still be hurting him (as in doing something behind his back); and 2. The feeling of guilt would eat me up inside for the rest of my life. I even felt guilty when I slept with someone when my ex-husband and I were separated for a few months (he left me), because we got back together afterwards. We divorced later. Link to post Share on other sites
Blackfrost Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Alright..........I guess I'll throw my bid in on this thread as well. I'll try not to post my idealistic side, and be totally honest. Would I sleep with a beautiful woman, if there were no forseable ramifications of any kind? The answer isn't that simple for me. My general answer is "no" I would not. But.....if this woman was someone I would (in the real world) never have any sort of access to, except in this very particular instance, then my answer would be "Yes" What I mean by that is - If I had the opportunity for a one nighter with Scarlett Johansson (actress from lost in translation) or say 1985 era supermodel Paulina Poriskova, I would not pass on the opportunity. In fact, I might even amazingly be forgiven by my wife, as she would want to know whether or not it was any more fun or different than anyone else Link to post Share on other sites
Toni_no12002 Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 to all the men that said yes and to all thoses that think they have to spread there seed as much as they can.......ive come to the conclusion that maybe men are someposed to grow up and die very lonely sad old men . can men be trusted...no they blame it on there dna or on whatever else the way theyve been wited but i think thats a load of crapits just an excuse for there behaviour. blackfrost-i think if you did sleep with a supermodel or whoever you liked you would be dissapointed.these women have flaws to,and i think that in real life you would feel dissapointed and guilty for doing it.its a fantisy and fantisy's never turn out as good as you expect them to.thats why they should be left as fantisys right? can i ask i question im not sure if us humans (lol)was supposed to be faithful,faithful is a word that we have made up to describe something.like all words.if we really wasnt supposed to be faithful to partners then why the hell do people still get in relationships??? im confused lol Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by sburtug03 I am trying to understand men and no, not my boyfriend, men in general. If you were in a perfect, loving relationship and you were offered sex with a beautiful woman, with a guarantee that your partner would never find out, would you? No, of course not. Even if I was in a crappy relationship I wouldn't. Why? I don't know how to put it into words but I have this sense that everything in my relationship with myself would change if I did and I like my relationship with myself and the direction it is going. Yes I'm a selfish insensitive bastard, but in the end aren't we all? Reality. I am in a crappy marriage, it is coming to an end, I haven't had sex for 3 years, my wife and I are separated, I have a high sex drive and I've had the opportunity and the offers of extramarital sex but turned all of them down. The offers most from "hot" women, have varied from subtle to completely graphic ("I want to suck your c*ck and swallow your cum", "I want to feel you cum inside me", "bet I can lick your balls while I deepthroat you"). One came up behind me and started to give me a shoulder massage in the office while talking softly with her warm breath into my ear (about work stuff of course) and I told that woman "you're too close, you're making me uncomfortable would you not do that." Another one had what I call her posing routine inside of my personal space (standing much closer than I consider normal). I mean standing within 8 to 12 inches from me and shifting her body around in sexual poses and I work in a professional environment! I guess the best way to visualize this behavior would be to imagine a professional woman trying to give a lap dance to a shocked and bewildered non-participating man while both are standing in the office! ALL of these women knew I was married, no one knows I'm separated and everyone thinks my marriage is a good one. Part of me, for a second or two at the start, enjoys the attention, part of me finds it disgusting and part of me is afraid of this kind of behavior. I don't encourage it and shut it down or try to as soon as it starts but some women don't understand "I'm married" and some don't give up easily. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig Reality. I am in a crappy marriage, it is coming to an end, I haven't had sex for 3 years, my wife and I are separated, I have a high sex drive and I've had the opportunity and the offers of extramarital sex but turned all of them down. Why? Look at it this way CRAIG....when you are 85 yrs old in the nursing home with tubes sticking out of you and you have not had an erection in 20 years you'll most likely be wishing you had taken those women up on their offers... Link to post Share on other sites
JS17 Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I think something must have happened to my brain overnight cause I actually agree with alpha. Sometimes I feel like the anti-cheating lobbyist around here but I think this (Craig's situation) might be the exception to the rule. I don't even think I would call it cheating. If you have not been intimate and have been separated from your spouse for 3 years then the relationship is long since over. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and if you do feel like it's cheating then by all means steer clear of these women. I can't imagine anyone would consider you a cheater for having sex after a 3 year separation. As for the women hitting on you thinking that you're in a happy marraige, shameless. (i'm afraid all of the OM/OWs are going to punch me) Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Why? Look at it this way CRAIG....when you are 85 yrs old in the nursing home with tubes sticking out of you and you have not had an erection in 20 years you'll most likely be wishing you had taken those women up on their offers... I must be psychic because I knew you would respond!! I've had more than my fair share of sex so if I never had it again because I cling to my own selfish standards I couldn't complain too loudly. Link to post Share on other sites
elijahBailey Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Craig, you gotta be one of the last of a dying breed. Given your situation, and your resolve, as a guy, I take my hat off for ya. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by JS17 I think something must have happened to my brain overnight cause I actually agree with alpha. Originally posted by Craig I must be psychic because I knew you would respond!! Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by JS17 I think something must have happened to my brain overnight cause I actually agree with alpha. Sometimes I feel like the anti-cheating lobbyist around here but I think this (Craig's situation) might be the exception to the rule. I don't even think I would call it cheating. If you have not been intimate and have been separated from your spouse for 3 years then the relationship is long since over. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and if you do feel like it's cheating then by all means steer clear of these women. I can't imagine anyone would consider you a cheater for having sex after a 3 year separation. As for the women hitting on you thinking that you're in a happy marraige, shameless. (i'm afraid all of the OM/OWs are going to punch me) I'm married, haven't had sex for 3 years and have been separated for around 7 months. Whether anyone would consider me a cheater or not for having sex while separated is not a concern of mine. I have a relationship with myself that doesn't include having extra-marital sex regardless of the condition of the marital relationship. Like I said, I'm selfish. Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodhubbie Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig I've had the opportunity and the offers of extramarital sex but turned all of them down. The offers most from "hot" women, have varied from subtle to completely graphic ("I want to suck your c*ck and swallow your cum", "I want to feel you cum inside me", "bet I can lick your balls while I deepthroat you"). One came up behind me and started to give me a shoulder massage in the office while talking softly with her warm breath into my ear (about work stuff of course) and I told that woman "you're too close, you're making me uncomfortable would you not do that." Another one had what I call her posing routine inside of my personal space (standing much closer than I consider normal). I mean standing within 8 to 12 inches from me and shifting her body around in sexual poses and I work in a professional environment! I guess the best way to visualize this behavior would be to imagine a professional woman trying to give a lap dance to a shocked and bewildered non-participating man while both are standing in the office! Um.... How come I never meet women like this Still wouldn't cheat, but the offer sure would be nice Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig Like I said, I'm selfish. no you are not selfish....the selfish dude would be out there taking care of his own needs and putting himself first, without worrying about the ramifications. Link to post Share on other sites
JS17 Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale no you are not selfish....the selfish dude would be out there taking care of his own needs and putting himself first, without worrying about the ramifications. I agree. I think there's something wrong with me. I'm going to call my doctor now. BTW Craig, like I said before, if it's not right for you then it's not right for you. You're the one that has to live with your decisions. I'm pretty impressed that you still would not have extra-marital sex. Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by elijahBailey Craig, you gotta be one of the last of a dying breed. Given your situation, and your resolve, as a guy, I take my hat off for ya. Maybe you're right but I'm not turning down these offers because of some rule of society. I'm turning them down because I like myself more than the prospect of having extra-marital sex. Like I said, I'm selfish not a saint. Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by thegoodhubbie Um.... How come I never meet women like this Still wouldn't cheat, but the offer sure would be nice Actually, and I think Alpha will confirm this, it happens all the time. I used to be sort of like Alpha in some ways, setting up a trap line of prospects and working them until the inevitable occurred. But after a while, I found that wasn't for me. I wanted more but perhaps a part of that of which I was remains as an unconscious artifact in who I am now. Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale no you are not selfish....the selfish dude would be out there taking care of his own needs and putting himself first, without worrying about the ramifications. Everyone has needs of varying degrees of intensity. A starving man might very well eat instead of having sex to give an extreme example. I am putting my own needs first. Link to post Share on other sites
ThumbingMyWay Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig Reality. I am in a crappy marriage, it is coming to an end, I haven't had sex for 3 years, my wife and I are separated, I have a high sex drive and I've had the opportunity and the offers of extramarital sex but turned all of them down. The offers most from "hot" women, have varied from subtle to completely graphic ("I want to suck your c*ck and swallow your cum", "I want to feel you cum inside me", "bet I can lick your balls while I deepthroat you"). One came up behind me and started to give me a shoulder massage in the office while talking softly with her warm breath into my ear (about work stuff of course) and I told that woman "you're too close, you're making me uncomfortable would you not do that." Another one had what I call her posing routine inside of my personal space (standing much closer than I consider normal). I mean standing within 8 to 12 inches from me and shifting her body around in sexual poses and I work in a professional environment! I guess the best way to visualize this behavior would be to imagine a professional woman trying to give a lap dance to a shocked and bewildered non-participating man while both are standing in the office! ALL of these women knew I was married, no one knows I'm separated and everyone thinks my marriage is a good one. DAMMM...I know I said NO....but these kinds of propositions would surely test my resolve......just to get a prop like this would be very EGO boosting thou.... Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig I am putting my own needs first. you did state you have not had sex in over 3 years....how is that putting your own needs first. If you need is to never have sex again then you are a very selfish man indeed... :0 Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by JS17 I agree. I think there's something wrong with me. I'm going to call my doctor now. BTW Craig, like I said before, if it's not right for you then it's not right for you. You're the one that has to live with your decisions. I'm pretty impressed that you still would not have extra-marital sex. If you are impressed please look at my decision as something that is easy for me to do because I've given it a tremendous amount of thought. Originally posted by ThumbingMyWay DAMMM...I know I said NO....but these kinds of propositions would surely test my resolve......just to get a prop like this would be very EGO boosting thou.... Like I said, for a second or two (hopefully a primitive innate reaction mechanism) I enjoy it and then the "hey wait a minute this woman knows I'm married--what the heck is she doing?" disgust kicks in then the "oh s*** is she going to be a good girl and go away or is she going to be persistent and a problem" fear kicks in. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig Like I said, for a second or two (hopefully a primitive innate reaction mechanism) I enjoy it and then the "hey wait a minute this woman knows I'm married--what the heck is she doing?" the above is the "nice guys" way of thinking. Who cares what she is doing as long as she wants you! Link to post Share on other sites
ThumbingMyWay Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Craig Like I said, for a second or two (hopefully a primitive innate reaction mechanism) I enjoy it and then the "hey wait a minute this woman knows I'm married--what the heck is she doing?" disgust kicks in then the "oh s*** is she going to be a good girl and go away or is she going to be persistent and a problem" fear kicks in. I know...you have a conscience like me.... Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale you did state you have not had sex in over 3 years....how is that putting your own needs first. If you need is to never have sex again then you are a very selfish man indeed... :0 Alpha you must be a dancer because now you are doing "the twist." I fully intend to have the most incredible, swinging from the chandelier, walls dripping with moisture, head board banging, mind numbing, skin chafing, can't walk after it, kind of intense sex again but not while I am married or married and separated. Link to post Share on other sites
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