guest569 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Forget marriage. How many women would want to meet their boyfriend twice a week and never have sex. I've pretty much experienced that and yes I was in love but I definitely wanted things to progress more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Echo74 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 No I don't have any friends. Maybe you should join a couple of meetup groups. I belong several of them and go out 2-4 times a week. Have met many fun people with similar interest. You could possibly find someone who wants what you do. I'm know two women who have been divorced for a number of years and neither is interested in dating. Both have stated they are happy going out with friends and have no need for a man. That said, one woman has a long distance relationship with a guy she feels she has a real connection with. It works perfectly fine for her. She sees him 2-3 times a year and calls him her "friend" (with benefits). She said she would never marry again. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 No I don't have any friends. Bout time to start? Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) That's an interesting dichotomy - be married or date around. How about middle ground - i.e. be with one person without putting absurd requirements to prove 'love'? Cohabitation (common law or marriage) IMO is a necessity only if having or planning to have minor children, or if one or both parties are financially challenged. I think OP is just asking for a steady serious long term relationship without cohabitation - plenty of women will be happy with that assuming they don't have religious/cultural/financial constraints. Especially women past child-bearing age. Being a wifey is not really an achievement anymore. Especially if the woman needs to beg for it . Cohabitation (outside of marriage) doesn't get you brownie points in most religions and cultures, and is actively frowned upon in some, so I'm not sure why anyone would assume that that's the reason why people choose to live together. Some of us just like going to sleep next to the person we love and waking up beside them, snuggling up together after a long day of work and having dinner together, having a place to call home together. Sure it's not technically a "necessity", but neither are most things in life besides food, water, and oxygen - yet most of us want more out of life than that. If I'm in a relationship that will NEVER end in cohabitation, I wouldn't see any point in staying in it, might as well date around casually and live the single life rather than commit yourself to someone who only wants to see you 2x/week. I personally think the OP's options will be very limited if he just wants to meet someone twice a week for the rest of his life and even then not ever have sex - and this isn't a gender thing, most MEN would find that a hard sell, too. I certainly don't know any other men who intend to do that! But of course, it's his prerogative to keep looking. Edited July 21, 2018 by Elswyth 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Kirsty91 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 As a 27y/o woman with a boyfriend of 6 years and with a 5y/o daughter with him I'd absolutely love to get married. But feel its not necessary. We've talked about it and agree its not necessary but, when or if ever he pops the question then I am so saying yes, I can't wait! And this is coming from an open relationship couple. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Go Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I have cohabited in two relationships - it did NOT by any means made me feel closer to the guys. Sure, we were having dinner together and sleeping next to each other every night. Besides the easier access (time & sex)... I did not get much out of it. The first time the guy was a mooch , but the second time, from a roommate standpoint he was okay, but over time it didn't make me love him more... quite the opposite, I grew resentful. It might have happened without the cohabitation, I don't know, I just know from that experience it is not a heavenly thing that I need in my life. In my current relationship we're moving things very slow in that sense, and I love every minute of it, I think big time because the pace is right. Last two times cohabiting happened at 2 months and 8 months respectively, too much too soon, I wasn't ready and I was totally stressed out of it. I was getting to know them AND dealing with the mundanity of cohabitation in the same time Now I'm thinking at minimum two if not three years or when we decide to get pregnant, whichever comes first. But just to cohabit/marry for the cohabiting........ no, no way. 2-3 times a week (weekend + one week day) in addition to daily phone call to me is just the right amount, anything more bleeds into daily chores and daily annoyances and robes the romantic side of the relationship. Plus to go to my own example - I maintain one property, he maintains two + several tenants. Plus few pets for each of us. It's not like one can take their bags and go play house. I think this is an issue for many people past 30, so that's why I'm thinking what OP asked for is not unreasonable. His no sex requirement will raise some eyebrows, but there are so more asexual people out there than one may think... So I'm not sure this is a deal breaker either for all women either, and wasn't his original question. Cohabitation (outside of marriage) doesn't get you brownie points in most religions and cultures, and is actively frowned upon in some, so I'm not sure why anyone would assume that that's the reason why people choose to live together. Some of us just like going to sleep next to the person we love and waking up beside them, snuggling up together after a long day of work and having dinner together, having a place to call home together. Sure it's not technically a "necessity", but neither are most things in life besides food, water, and oxygen - yet most of us want more out of life than that. If I'm in a relationship that will NEVER end in cohabitation, I wouldn't see any point in staying in it, might as well date around casually and live the single life rather than commit yourself to someone who only wants to see you 2x/week. I personally think the OP's options will be very limited if he just wants to meet someone twice a week for the rest of his life and even then not ever have sex - and this isn't a gender thing, most MEN would find that a hard sell, too. I certainly don't know any other men who intend to do that! But of course, it's his prerogative to keep looking. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Is it true that the majority of women have marriage as their end goal for dating? I am 38 years old man and I've never married and have no interest in getting married or having kids. I would be happy to just date a woman 2 to 3 times a week for the rest of my life. Usually after 2 or 3 years of dating a girlfriend she's going to be concerned about where the relationship is going assuming she is really in love with me. most women of child-bearing age are looking to marry and have at least one kid. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I have cohabited in two relationships - it did NOT by any means made me feel closer to the guys. Sure, we were having dinner together and sleeping next to each other every night. Besides the easier access (time & sex)... I did not get much out of it. The first time the guy was a mooch , but the second time, from a roommate standpoint he was okay, but over time it didn't make me love him more... quite the opposite, I grew resentful. It might have happened without the cohabitation, I don't know, I just know from that experience it is not a heavenly thing that I need in my life. In my current relationship we're moving things very slow in that sense, and I love every minute of it, I think big time because the pace is right. Last two times cohabiting happened at 2 months and 8 months respectively, too much too soon, I wasn't ready and I was totally stressed out of it. I was getting to know them AND dealing with the mundanity of cohabitation in the same time Now I'm thinking at minimum two if not three years or when we decide to get pregnant, whichever comes first. But just to cohabit/marry for the cohabiting........ no, no way. 2-3 times a week (weekend + one week day) in addition to daily phone call to me is just the right amount, anything more bleeds into daily chores and daily annoyances and robes the romantic side of the relationship. Plus to go to my own example - I maintain one property, he maintains two + several tenants. Plus few pets for each of us. It's not like one can take their bags and go play house. I think this is an issue for many people past 30, so that's why I'm thinking what OP asked for is not unreasonable. His no sex requirement will raise some eyebrows, but there are so more asexual people out there than one may think... So I'm not sure this is a deal breaker either for all women either, and wasn't his original question. There's a big difference between wanting to wait 2-3 years to cohabitate/marry, and wanting to NEVER do it, though. Personally, it's not so much the fact that cohabitation makes me "feel more" for him, but rather that I would "feel stale" if I was in a relationship for years or decades and we were still just seeing each other 2x/week. For many people, moving in together after a reasonable amount of time is a fairly normal relationship progression. "Reasonable amount of time" varies depending on the person - 2-3 years is not uncommon, but NEVER would be pretty darn uncommon IMO. There are asexual people and there are people who never want to live together, but both groups are fairly small to begin with, and when you require someone who is BOTH, alongside all the other compatibility requirements that a relationship involves and whether they would be attracted to the OP, a guy with zero friends... I wouldn't really bet too much on the OP's odds. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ElKay Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 A good proportion (I won't say most) of women may want marriage, may or may not want kids and definitely wants sex. I think you just need to be open that all you want is friendship. It could be a dealbreaker for those even interested in casual relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Go Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Well on that logic would a relationship get “stale” 2-3 years after moving in/marrying, considering it enters a steady (no big events ) state? I can’t speak here from experience so I’m curious... For me the no friends thing won’t be a dealbreaker if the guy has hobbies, I’m a loner in my spare time but have many hobbies too. For no sex/kids/cohabiting OP’s best bet are older women. E.g. widows/ divorced women in their 60s/70s won’t be against this arrangement - here I can give examples (well not sure for no sex but I guess it’s less of a need after menopause ) There's a big difference between wanting to wait 2-3 years to cohabitate/marry, and wanting to NEVER do it, though. Personally, it's not so much the fact that cohabitation makes me "feel more" for him, but rather that I would "feel stale" if I was in a relationship for years or decades and we were still just seeing each other 2x/week. For many people, moving in together after a reasonable amount of time is a fairly normal relationship progression. "Reasonable amount of time" varies depending on the person - 2-3 years is not uncommon, but NEVER would be pretty darn uncommon IMO. There are asexual people and there are people who never want to live together, but both groups are fairly small to begin with, and when you require someone who is BOTH, alongside all the other compatibility requirements that a relationship involves and whether they would be attracted to the OP, a guy with zero friends... I wouldn't really bet too much on the OP's odds. Link to post Share on other sites
Dodgersfan11 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I think most women do want to get married. I mean, their whole life goal is to lock a man down with kids. Do you know how sad and pathetic it is for a single woman to show up at events, parties, weddings, showers, christmas, thanksgiving without having a man by her side? And the dirty looks she gets from other married women? And how much crap they get just for being single? Its a cruel world for them, I should know because I'm one of those single woman. And its a double standard because its more socially acceptable for a man to be single till he's 50 and and have different girls on his arm every 6 months. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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